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Nick.
05-04-2008, 10:31 AM
Hey,

I was thinking the other day how annoying it is to visit Habbox Forum on my iPod Touch because of how long and graphically rich pages are. Then I thought, an iPhone/iPod Touch skin would be great for iPod users, PSP users, PDA users and users of mobiles such as the N95 and alike.

The skin would have no banner and no graphics, just maybe a few colours in the tables. This way we could browse through the site quickly and look at threads in the same time it takes on the PC. I understand there is not a large target audience for this type of skin, however it would be easy as anything to make and if you had trouble making one I'd kindly help.

Thanks,
Nick.

GommeInc
05-04-2008, 10:34 AM
Hmm, sounds good :) I agree with you that there isn't a large target audience, BUT it'll be useful to those select few who may use HxF on their phones, PDAs etc. You may not even have to make it if vBulletins have a Lo-Fi Version features, which literally removes all graphics.

xxMATTGxx
05-04-2008, 10:37 AM
Yeah sounds like a good idea Nick :)

samsaBEAR
05-04-2008, 01:41 PM
i think its a great idea

Callum.
05-04-2008, 01:45 PM
Yeah great idea.

When I'm on my touch, it does take a while to load :(.

dirrty
05-04-2008, 01:46 PM
i think its a good idea. cuz when i was on my ipod touch it took forever to go thru the forum lol.

-Xiangu-
05-04-2008, 01:46 PM
Brilliant idea!

Marcinator
05-04-2008, 01:47 PM
Awesome idea!

Discharge Man
05-04-2008, 01:47 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/

Sorted

kk.
05-04-2008, 01:51 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/

Sorted

although that is an option, i still think that you should make one so it has the VB structure.

I think its a good idea too.

shizzle
05-04-2008, 04:17 PM
It would look good, lets see what they think.

Mr.OSH
05-04-2008, 05:55 PM
Woo iPod touch [I love mine]! Yes, this is a good idea. I'm sure I suggested this quite a while ago but I'm not too sure if there is a big enough demand for it. I certainly would appreciate it so this is a nice idea. :)

Neil
05-04-2008, 06:35 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/

Sorted


The problem with that is though is it's an archive so in every forum it will be in order time of post so the first thread ever posted will be at the top of the page for each forum instead of it being most recent xD

Recursion
05-04-2008, 09:46 PM
Good idea, when im using my Nokia Internet Tablet through a 3G connection on holiday its dead slow loading the graphics :@

DaveTaylor
05-04-2008, 09:49 PM
An example is available at macrumors.com forum, lets hope someone create a vbulletin plugin for ipod touch/iphone to appear like www.digg.com/iphone :P

Shawnstra
05-04-2008, 11:54 PM
Its a great idea, call it HabboxLite or something. Maybe you can choose the bg colour though if not some peeps might complain of lack of choice of skin.

Hitman
06-04-2008, 09:01 AM
Very good idea, I sometimes use my PSP on HxF and it takes a while. I hope this gets put into action!

cocaine
06-04-2008, 09:07 AM
iHabbox haha

lolwut
06-04-2008, 09:08 AM
I agree, I'm going to get my iPod Touch soon and I'm not looking forward to using Habbox on it.
Maybe if we had a skin with no images and the text was fairly small, that'd be good.

Test:Tube:Baby
06-04-2008, 02:00 PM
I like this idea too.

As long as I could use it on my PSP, it takes so long to load normally :(

Ostinato
06-04-2008, 02:31 PM
great idea - i wud use it

Nereo
06-04-2008, 02:36 PM
dont mind it as it is to be honest

DaveTaylor
06-04-2008, 08:42 PM
dont mind it as it is to be honest

The whole point is its an extra skin, less wide etc

xxMATTGxx
08-04-2008, 03:49 PM
Any updates on this from the Management? :P

Judas
08-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Yeeaah iHabbox lol thats a good idea. I think it would be great so I can come on my PSP :)

AgnesIO
08-04-2008, 07:28 PM
Yeeaah iHabbox lol thats a good idea. I think it would be great so I can come on my PSP :)

iHabbox sounds to much like iHabbix, peope would go OMGZ HABBOX HACK.

Getting mistaken for other sites.

jackass
08-04-2008, 07:29 PM
Why just for iPod/iPhone.

Make it for phones/PDAs in general. :)

DaveTaylor
08-04-2008, 08:10 PM
Why just for iPod/iPhone.

Make it for phones/PDAs in general. :)

Thats what they said.

Nick.
08-04-2008, 08:16 PM
Why just for iPod/iPhone.

Make it for phones/PDAs in general. :)
If you read all of my thread I mentioned them also, it just seems iPod Touch and iPhone are a couple of very well known devices.

:)

Florx
08-04-2008, 08:23 PM
I would love this idea.

I sometimes try reading the forum with my PSP but its really slow.

Please do this.

ADD A POLL SOMEONE!

Blue
08-04-2008, 08:29 PM
I would love it too. I sometimes come on on my Wii so it would make things a bit faster for me :)

DaveTaylor
08-04-2008, 09:08 PM
MAD where are you! lol

awelsh
08-04-2008, 09:16 PM
yeah this would be a great idea, when I ocasionally come on here on my PSP it is very slow loading and often fails to load at all due to the PSP's lack of memory.

Jordy
08-04-2008, 10:03 PM
I think you'd be surprised how common the market is and I bet there's a large amount of user's that try it and would use it, and the miniature internet is getting bigger every day. It'd also be a pretty unique feature.

I've tried HxF a few times on my friends PSP and it takes ages, excellent idea. Surely it can't be too hard to do either.

--ss--
09-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Indeed , it's a great idea and will help expand HxF and make it more unique to other forums :).

Alkaz
09-04-2008, 12:30 PM
bill idea!

DaveTaylor
09-04-2008, 05:19 PM
Need a answer tbh :P

jackass
09-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Need a answer tbh :P

He won't answer. :P

I made a thread a couple of weeks ago and had loads of posts (about 100?) and he never even replied. :(

lolwut
09-04-2008, 06:01 PM
I was trying to use Habbox on my iPod Touch earlier today in the library at school (for some reason the wifi only works there) and it was unbelievably hard to click on the links.
If we had a "Portable Skin" it would need to have large font sizes and few/no images for ease of use.
Well, that's what I think anyway.
But yeah, awesome idea.

DaveTaylor
10-04-2008, 02:31 PM
i shall pester MAD :D

Ostinato
10-04-2008, 03:11 PM
Seems everyone seems to want it, theres very little resistance towards it.

Hope they actually listen to us and we get something we want.

Andys
10-04-2008, 03:28 PM
Even though I don't have a device where I am able to access the internet (psp, iphone, 3g) I think this is a great idea!

today
10-04-2008, 04:58 PM
I would love this to happen :D

Yoshimitsui
10-04-2008, 05:04 PM
Good idea there :)

DaveTaylor
10-04-2008, 07:40 PM
come on MAD :|

bo$$
10-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Doesn't really effect me but I think that it's a good idea.

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 12:22 AM
If this isn't added it's going in the council report for you guys :)

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 10:29 AM
If this isn't added it's going in the council report for you guys :)
Thank you Gomme

Ostinato
11-04-2008, 10:33 AM
I don't see why no-one has replied or gave us any sort of notification whether or not it will go ahead.

It's clear it is definitely something wanted by most users.

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 11:05 AM
Me neither, I end up picking these things and putting them in the council report... But I would rather they gave a response... They did with the forum skins suggestion!

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 12:04 PM
Me neither, I end up picking these things and putting them in the council report... But I would rather they gave a response... They did with the forum skins suggestion!

Well MAD is ignoring me PM and msn so god knows, either he's really busy or cba with me :P I wonder which :rolleyes:

Ostinato
11-04-2008, 12:06 PM
Well MAD is ignoring me PM and msn so god knows, either he's really busy or cba with me :P I wonder which :rolleyes:

Lols it's a no brainer. Too busy wif sierk maybes :rolleyes:

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 12:07 PM
Lols it's a no brainer. Too busy wif sierk maybes :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: personally I thought it was the other ;)

xxMATTGxx
11-04-2008, 12:44 PM
I even asked him about the [timg] thread and he was like "What the hell is [timg]?" I gave him the thread but no updates on that either. <_<

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 02:43 PM
He's busy reappointing new jobs to the sacked positions...

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 02:46 PM
You could PM Elkaa, but PM'ing him was like PM'ing a brick wall "/

Where is the [timg] thread? I might have a look and add that to the report if alot of people are for it.

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 02:47 PM
You could PM Elkaa, but PM'ing him was like PM'ing a brick wall "/

Where is the [timg] thread? I might have a look and add that to the report if alot of people are for it.

Might be worth PM'img sierk as i some times get a reply after the whole "i hacked hxf" sarge

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 02:48 PM
Might be worth PM'img sierk as i some times get a reply after the whole "i hacked hxf" sarge
Could do that :P What I find interesting is that feedback threads that are very negative get a good look through, yet threads like this don't or at least no mention from anyone in charge about their opinions at least :S

xxMATTGxx
11-04-2008, 02:49 PM
Could do that :P What I find interesting is that feedback threads that are very negative get a good look through, yet threads like this don't or at least no mention from anyone in charge about their opinions at least :S

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=464961

For that [timg] thread.

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 02:49 PM
Could do that :P What I find interesting is that feedback threads that are very negative get a good look through, yet threads like this don't or at least no mention from anyone in charge about their opinions at least :S

Welcome to HxF everything is negative, I mean backward, I mean wait I don't know what I mean do you ;)

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 02:58 PM
Welcome to HxF everything is negative, I mean backward, I mean wait I don't know what I mean do you ;)
I got confused thinking what Habbox was years ago, I just think organised chaos, solves problems thinking then :P

Thanks for the thread Matt!

Nick.
11-04-2008, 05:40 PM
I got confused thinking what Habbox was years ago, I just think organised chaos, solves problems thinking then :P

Thanks for the thread Matt!
I make all these decent suggestions and just get ignored. LOL:8 It's nice everybody is backing me up with the ideas though.

---MAD--- come on!

GommeInc
11-04-2008, 06:01 PM
Be glad I write the council reports, it means everyone has a chance of forcing ideas upon them :P

wazzapfudge?
11-04-2008, 06:46 PM
nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! Idea.

lolwut
11-04-2008, 09:24 PM
Really could do with this.
Probably gonna give up Habbox if the staff don't seem to care about us.
I mean it's really hard to use Habbox on my iPod with something called ease. :l

Ostinato
11-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Be glad I write the council reports, it means everyone has a chance of forcing ideas upon them :P

Maybe you should also mention in the report something about negligance of ideas? :P

Tbh it's quite frustrating when there's a 7 page thread supporting a brilliant idea, which all the people in charge have blatantly ignored out of choice because they are too busy making polls to see if we play habbo or not. :rolleyes:

Imeen fair enough, finding out such research is great for the future of habbox and it will let them shape loads of new developments, but why not start with the stuff we are all blimming asking for like this?! :l

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 10:32 PM
My post where not a hit to MAD nor anything against him, I understand he is/was busy and we are friends so all those messages where me being harsh on him, ignore them

---MAD---
11-04-2008, 10:33 PM
Problem here is..how practical is it to your your iphone or ipod touch on the forum? Is it easy to log in and reply to threads etc (I am referring to the actual typing)?

DaveTaylor
11-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Problem here is..how practical is it to your your iphone or ipod touch on the forum? Is it easy to log in and reply to threads etc (I am referring to the actual typing)?

It is quite practical as you can zoom in etc. its very easy to use actually.

---MAD---
11-04-2008, 10:36 PM
It is quite practical as you can zoom in etc. its very easy to use actually.
What about the actual typing and replying to threads?

Florx
11-04-2008, 10:39 PM
Its easy on my PSP. But we also just want to read the threads.

---MAD---
11-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Its easy on my PSP. But we also just want to read the threads.
You can view threads/forums without any graphics what so ever here:
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php

Nereo
11-04-2008, 10:43 PM
You can view threads/forums without any graphics what so ever here:
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php

Wow it's really ugly without graphics :D

kerplunkwozere
11-04-2008, 10:44 PM
it comes up with an on screen keyboard, it's easy to type..

and on hxf.com/archive/index - when u go to a forum, the first thread is the first ever made in that section, not the most recent.

Florx
11-04-2008, 10:56 PM
Yeah its backwards cause I tried it before.

lolwut
11-04-2008, 10:59 PM
Sideways on it's very practical. Except for there being too many images and some bits of text being too small, which is what we want fixed.
I'll take a photo tommorow.

Nick.
12-04-2008, 12:54 AM
What about the actual typing and replying to threads?
Well I generally don't reply to threads on it, but there is such thing as interest in a thread but not wanting to waste 40-50 seconds for it to load?

ALSO: The archive version sucks, no new posts, no user cp. I don't see what is so hard about adding a blank skin? It'd save me loads of time.

cocaine
12-04-2008, 08:32 AM
Problem here is..how practical is it to your your iphone or ipod touch on the forum? Is it easy to log in and reply to threads etc (I am referring to the actual typing)?

It's actually suprisingly really easy :)

Recursion
12-04-2008, 09:08 AM
Its very easy on other devices too... if only there was a "lite skin"

Ostinato
12-04-2008, 12:20 PM
I don't really understand why there's such a huge issue about "how practical it is going to be".

It is clear that most ipod touch/iphone/psp/wii etc. users really want this and feel it would a make a big difference to their viewing. Therefore whether or not you personally believe if it is going to be of practical use or not is pretty irrelevant in my opinion.

We have voiced our opinion collectively and have expressed that the majority here think it is a brilliant idea and it would definitely benefit us. Surely on those grounds, as users of this website, it should be your utmost priority to accommodate our wishes and needs. (Of course this is not always the case, but this isn't something that's gonna particularly stretch you out or something)

GommeInc
12-04-2008, 12:23 PM
What you do with making a skin with no graphicsis to have the 'post reply, thread, poll' buttons as coded buttons, like the ones below labelled 'Post Quick Reply' and 'Go Advance.'

It shouldn't be ahrd to do, unless vB demand images which is stupid...

DaveTaylor
12-04-2008, 12:47 PM
I am on my iPhone at work now this page took me 30secs to load as with the macrumors one the iPhone skin it look me 10secs a huge difference and this took me about a minute to type you admins can look at my IP if you want to see I ain't faking :p

samsaBEAR
12-04-2008, 01:33 PM
it needs to be put in, more and more people use handheld devices to surf the internet and you need to update the forum to accommodate that

DaveTaylor
12-04-2008, 05:15 PM
it needs to be put in, more and more people use handheld devices to surf the internet and you need to update the forum to accommodate that

Any update?

today
12-04-2008, 06:00 PM
Looks like a no so far, lets keep bugging them x]

samsaBEAR
13-04-2008, 09:59 AM
Any update?
im not sure what you mean, but what i meant update as in making it friendly for all types of devices, be it pc or mobiles/ipod touches. i didnt mean like the actual forum software

Nick.
13-04-2008, 10:07 AM
im not sure what you mean, but what i meant update as in making it friendly for all types of devices, be it pc or mobiles/ipod touches. i didnt mean like the actual forum software
I think he quoted your post by accident?

samsaBEAR
13-04-2008, 12:26 PM
I think he quoted your post by accident?
oh yeh, it makes sense now :D

DaveTaylor
13-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Ye i just quoted your post for the sake of it.

---MAD---
13-04-2008, 06:33 PM
vBulletin skins by default have images in them. We would have to remove all the images from the templates manually and do that every time we upgrade. Its far too difficult to do this every time.

The only thing I can sugget is using the archive to surf the forums. Theres no way around this at the moment, sorry :(.

Nick.
13-04-2008, 07:10 PM
vBulletin skins by default have images in them. We would have to remove all the images from the templates manually and do that every time we upgrade. Its far too difficult to do this every time.

The only thing I can sugget is using the archive to surf the forums. Theres no way around this at the moment, sorry :(.
I'm sure 1kb white 1 pixel repeat images wouldn't be too hard to do? MacRumours manage to well...

DaveTaylor
13-04-2008, 07:19 PM
I'm sure 1kb white 1 pixel repeat images wouldn't be too hard to do? MacRumours manage to well...

The also just made the css sheet width; the size it needs to be, its generally not a hard task, get dentafrice (caleb) MAD :)

samsaBEAR
13-04-2008, 07:29 PM
Ye i just quoted your post for the sake of it.
fair enough :)


vBulletin skins by default have images in them. We would have to remove all the images from the templates manually and do that every time we upgrade. Its far too difficult to do this every time.

The only thing I can sugget is using the archive to surf the forums. Theres no way around this at the moment, sorry :(.

you only need to do it once, we only want one forum skin for mobile devices. if not, just assign little images that flash different colours depending on what it does. then post a thread saying what means which. people that use them will then memorise them. simple.

GommeInc
13-04-2008, 08:46 PM
Surely you're being very lazy saying "we'll have to do this each time we upgrade?" It's not a hard task and if it benefits the forum you really should do it. If not, someone else should be in your place to do such tasks, no offence "/

Nick.
13-04-2008, 09:05 PM
Also, I fail to see what ---MAD--- has to do with it, Elkaa is forum manager, can he not appoint someone to do it?

:]

Ostinato
13-04-2008, 11:48 PM
Surely you're being very lazy saying "we'll have to do this each time we upgrade?" It's not a hard task and if it benefits the forum you really should do it. If not, someone else should be in your place to do such tasks, no offence "/

I agree completely.

Surely what we want as a collective group of users shoudl come before whether or not it's going to be too time consuming for you or not.

We have spoken, so surely you should do what you possibly can to accommodate that (whether it be yourself or someone else). We are fully aware there are ways out there to make it possible, and how "difficult" it is, is irrespective of that in my opinion.

Surely your main priority is to provide your customers and users with what they want? Or am I completely mistaken..? :rolleyes:

DaveTaylor
14-04-2008, 02:33 PM
We shall see as it is highly demanded.

risque
14-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Dave would do it, but then again he was actually good at his job.

Ostinato
14-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Dave would do it, but then again he was actually good at his job.

lmao gd point +rep

DaveTaylor
14-04-2008, 03:40 PM
lmao gd point +rep

Dave who?

samsaBEAR
14-04-2008, 10:44 PM
i assume they're talking about DJ-3000, who was called dave i think

risque
15-04-2008, 12:54 PM
i assume they're talking about DJ-3000, who was called dave i think

Indeed, thats who I was on about. Shame management downgraded.

samsaBEAR
15-04-2008, 01:03 PM
i must agree, im sure he would've implemented it without any hassle.

risque
15-04-2008, 01:23 PM
He cared more for the visitors of the forum than the power that came with the job. He managed to manage the forum and a help desk at the same time, which was actually popular when he owned it. You can tell what damage his departure has done in every department of Habbox.

Nick.
15-04-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm absolutely appalled at the response I've received from ---MAD--- and his lack of will to put this idea into action. It's lazy and this is the reason the forum is going down hill, this thread has over 100 posts, everybody loves the idea. Not one negative comment! But yet again this thread has just been pushed aside as has my other thread about [timg] tags. It's laziness and I think Habbox need to sort there attitude out. You know what, fine, don't make a skin for portable devices. But I think it's a disgrace that there are people paying for VIP and donating to Habbox and you couldn't care less about ease of use and helpfulness. I tell you what, I was going to renew my VIP but the patheticness of Habbox Management has totally put me off, it's the last VIP purchase you'll see from me in a long time.

GommeInc
15-04-2008, 08:40 PM
I'm absolutely appalled at the response I've received from ---MAD--- and his lack of will to put this idea into action. It's lazy and this is the reason the forum is going down hill, this thread has over 100 posts, everybody loves the idea. Not one negative comment! But yet again this thread has just been pushed aside as has my other thread about [timg] tags. It's laziness and I think Habbox need to sort there attitude out. You know what, fine, don't make a skin for portable devices. But I think it's a disgrace that there are people paying for VIP and donating to Habbox and you couldn't care less about ease of use and helpfulness. I tell you what, I was going to renew my VIP but the patheticness of Habbox Management has totally put me off, it's the last VIP purchase you'll see from me in a long time.
Tis in the report and if it's not implemented, it will be brought back up anyway. They cannot escape! :P

To be honest though, with the huge amount of positive feedback for this idea, you would think they would implement it without the council...

Ostinato
15-04-2008, 10:50 PM
I'm absolutely appalled at the response I've received from ---MAD--- and his lack of will to put this idea into action. It's lazy and this is the reason the forum is going down hill, this thread has over 100 posts, everybody loves the idea. Not one negative comment! But yet again this thread has just been pushed aside as has my other thread about [timg] tags. It's laziness and I think Habbox need to sort there attitude out. You know what, fine, don't make a skin for portable devices. But I think it's a disgrace that there are people paying for VIP and donating to Habbox and you couldn't care less about ease of use and helpfulness. I tell you what, I was going to renew my VIP but the patheticness of Habbox Management has totally put me off, it's the last VIP purchase you'll see from me in a long time.

I agree. I planned on purchasing another VIP subscription but I fail to see any reason why when they are point blank refusing to provide a vast majority of users with something we actually want and that will collectively benefit us all - simply because of sheer ignorance and laziness. There is no feesible reason as to why MAD has refused us this brilliant feature - apart from his own evident apathy within his role and position as a whole on this forum.

PaulMacC
15-04-2008, 11:01 PM
Good idea imo, takes a while to load on my Wii, PSP and DS.

Slowpoke
15-04-2008, 11:03 PM
Good idea imo, takes a while to load on my Wii, PSP and DS.

I know what you mean! I gave up coming on here on my PSP lol

Jakish
15-04-2008, 11:11 PM
IT JUST TOOK ME FRIGGIN 10 MINS TO LOAD THIS PAGE, AND YOU DONT EVEN CARE :@ :@


in other words,

it would save alot of angry people :rolleyes:

Ostinato
15-04-2008, 11:21 PM
IT JUST TOOK ME FRIGGIN 10 MINS TO LOAD THIS PAGE, AND YOU DONT EVEN CARE :@ :@


in other words,

it would save alot of angry people :rolleyes:

This single post illustrates the need for it exactly.

It takes so long to load pages, the number of people who use such mobile devices will ultimately not come back - therefore you will lose users and custom overall. Is that really the route you wanna go down just because your too damn idle to give us something we want?

samsaBEAR
16-04-2008, 08:56 AM
I agree. I planned on purchasing another VIP subscription but I fail to see any reason why when they are point blank refusing to provide a vast majority of users with something we actually want and that will collectively benefit us all - simply because of sheer ignorance and laziness. There is no feesible reason as to why MAD has refused us this brilliant feature - apart from his own evident apathy within his role and position as a whole on this forum.
going on from this, you're denying us what we want, because you 'cant be bothered', however you are quite happy on spending $200+ on a crappy chat room that about 20 people use on the whole forum. ive never seen it fuller than about 10 people, even then most are idle.
you didnt ask us on our views about that, but you were quite happy to implement it. this costs nothing, just what, an hour of your time? the chat took ages to set up. stop being so stupid and actually make this skin, or like i said in the anime/manga thread, you will lose a lot of users. and let's face it, its not you that decides whether the forum stays open, its us.
and i too was thinking about buying a years worth of VIP. but not anymore, not when you cant handle a simple request.
it would'nt have been so bad if you had actually outlined all you need to do, and proved it was so hard. that fact that you cant be bothered to reply in any of these threads here suggest you dont care about what your users want and need. and like i said above, without us you're nothing :)

GommeInc
16-04-2008, 05:51 PM
These last two posts have been quite serious. I'm amazed more people haven't admitted this... I'm not sure how this can be solved. There isn't a problem with a system, there's a problem with the staff who can do these changes and add these features. In other words, MAD isn't very good at his job because he fails to supply what members want, but can quite happily buy something with money gained from VIP and advertising...

It probably wasnt MAD, but he admitted he prefers to take the blame...

Ostinato
16-04-2008, 10:37 PM
These last two posts have been quite serious. I'm amazed more people haven't admitted this... I'm not sure how this can be solved. There isn't a problem with a system, there's a problem with the staff who can do these changes and add these features. In other words, MAD isn't very good at his job because he fails to supply what members want, but can quite happily buy something with money gained from VIP and advertising...

It probably wasnt MAD, but he admitted he prefers to take the blame...

Sums it up perfectly in 7 words.

DaveTaylor
17-04-2008, 12:18 PM
well this appeared to be a very interesting thread.

Remotive
17-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Wouldn't the same image have to be used more than once as then when its loaded once it would of loaded all over the place? :P

DaveTaylor
17-04-2008, 01:22 PM
Wouldn't the same image have to be used more than once as then when its loaded once it would of loaded all over the place? :P

I didn't understand a word of that :|

Ostinato
17-04-2008, 01:40 PM
well this appeared to be a very interesting thread.

It would've been even more interesting if the lasy sods bothered to give us 5 minutes of time and provide us with a decent answer.

DaveTaylor
17-04-2008, 01:45 PM
It would've been even more interesting if the lasy sods bothered to give us 5 minutes of time and provide us with a decent answer.

Ha, well I am currently thinking of making my own board to be honest at this moment.

samsaBEAR
17-04-2008, 03:34 PM
These last two posts have been quite serious. I'm amazed more people haven't admitted this... I'm not sure how this can be solved. There isn't a problem with a system, there's a problem with the staff who can do these changes and add these features. In other words, MAD isn't very good at his job because he fails to supply what members want, but can quite happily buy something with money gained from VIP and advertising...

It probably wasnt MAD, but he admitted he prefers to take the blame...
well this is a serious issue, i can not see any feasible reason why they havent replied. we've thrown heaps of feedback and ideas and they just dont care about it


Wouldn't the same image have to be used more than once as then when its loaded once it would of loaded all over the place? :P


I didn't understand a word of that :|

lol, neither did i

DaveTaylor
17-04-2008, 03:39 PM
Also Apple have just dropped the price, sorry I mean 02 have just dropped the price, and well folk will be buying a iPhone maybe not alot but greater demand?

today
17-04-2008, 05:43 PM
Wow, this is still happening and no reply?

GommeInc
17-04-2008, 05:46 PM
Wow, this is still happening and no reply?
Nope "/ This is showing how crap the management are :D I am very sure this was meant to be sorted, this terrible communication between us and them. I think what is needed is new management, to be honest. They've not learnt from past mistakes.

Jakish
17-04-2008, 05:49 PM
So we dont have a reply, becasue they idiots.


Fair enough.

Edited by --ss-- (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude.

Thetan
18-04-2008, 01:09 PM
Wow, I guess MAD is pretty bad at his job.

Jakish
18-04-2008, 03:16 PM
Still no reply?


Still waiting.

DaveTaylor
18-04-2008, 03:47 PM
I gave up trying to load this board today, was like after 5 minutes, just gave up.

today
18-04-2008, 03:53 PM
http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=151186&highlight=ipod

"Requires no effort"

Ostinato
18-04-2008, 10:59 PM
I guess that's this thread forgotting then with the whole new set of rules.

God forbid we try and get something we all want - oh sos that would just be too much work to do. BRB JUST GOING ON THE 200 QUID CHAT ROOM THAT WE HAD TIME TO INSTALL.... OH WAIT - ITS EMPTY AGAIN. NVM..

samsaBEAR
18-04-2008, 11:21 PM
I guess that's this thread forgotting then with the whole new set of rules.

God forbid we try and get something we all want - oh sos that would just be too much work to do. BRB JUST GOING ON THE 200 QUID CHAT ROOM THAT WE HAD TIME TO INSTALL.... OH WAIT - ITS EMPTY AGAIN. NVM..
see the thing is, i would continue a heated discussion about it but i like this account, and dont want to start a new one if i get perm'd
plus MAD pm'd me personally and asked me to stop. so i did, it was only fair really. we've found a way to get around it, if he doesnt take it then well he's gonna see a loss in activity and revenue (from people who arent going to buy vip anymore)

Thetan
18-04-2008, 11:23 PM
Ok, if MAD is reading this, since I could not Private message you, I would like to apologize, as the comment about your job was not needed, but I still think you should reply to all the comments, even if you have replied before because people argued against you and they want a reply!

Ostinato
18-04-2008, 11:31 PM
see the thing is, i would continue a heated discussion about it but i like this account, and dont want to start a new one if i get perm'd
plus MAD pm'd me personally and asked me to stop. so i did, it was only fair really. we've found a way to get around it, if he doesnt take it then well he's gonna see a loss in activity and revenue (from people who arent going to buy vip anymore)

Lol true. And your so right.

We have made it perfectly clear it is definitely something we all wanna see and have realised there isnt much stopping it... so in effect it is clear they will lose custom if they aren't giving the customers what the want.

Good point, +rep to you

today
19-04-2008, 01:34 PM
see the thing is, i would continue a heated discussion about it but i like this account, and dont want to start a new one if i get perm'd
plus MAD pm'd me personally and asked me to stop. so i did, it was only fair really. we've found a way to get around it, if he doesnt take it then well he's gonna see a loss in activity and revenue (from people who arent going to buy vip anymore)
I agree with you, as always.
I like my account atm thus i'll try and not get banned :rolleyes:

Lol true. And your so right.

We have made it perfectly clear it is definitely something we all wanna see and have realised there isnt much stopping it... so in effect it is clear they will lose custom if they aren't giving the customers what the want.

Good point, +rep to youI'm not buying VIP again, its really not worth it. Considering we get ignored. :$

GommeInc
19-04-2008, 01:36 PM
I can't blame people for not wanting to buy VIP when the service they're putting their money into doesn't offer anything back, other than a few meaningless features. Contact is more important than features in my opinion.

today
19-04-2008, 01:37 PM
Indeed, and it appears contact has been lost once again.

Invent
19-04-2008, 03:16 PM
No more vip for meee.

Nick.
19-04-2008, 05:31 PM
I'm really shocked this thread is still being ignored.

Sulai
19-04-2008, 05:37 PM
Yes, (on the rare occasion that i can be bothered to take out my psp) i find it annoying to view habbox forum due to the long screens.

oJosh..
19-04-2008, 05:51 PM
Would be a good idea :)

DaveTaylor
19-04-2008, 06:28 PM
To be honest it was a good idea and references towards skins for it to happen have been made but this thread isn't obviously going to get a response now, yes I may be wrong but the council have written it in and I am sure Gomme will me referring to how it was dealt aswell.

Nick.
04-05-2008, 08:16 AM
This thread has been featured in the council report last month, so hopefully, we should get a decent answer soon. I'm sure if you put an announcement out for a skin designer somebody would respond.

Thanks :)

GommeInc
04-05-2008, 08:48 AM
In regards to the graphicless skin, I think it's a good idea however at this stage it's not possible without using relying on someone else to make the skin. As I said in the feedback thread, it requires editing many templates every upgrade and simple not worth the demand:work ratio.
In other words, they're lazy. The demand is there and it isn't a tough job. They're just trying to get away with doing as little work as possible "/ The template will not need alot of editing, there isn't a whole lot to edit because most of it wouldn't be there. They seem to upgrade without any problems to other skins...

nvrspk4
05-05-2008, 12:06 AM
In other words, they're lazy. The demand is there and it isn't a tough job. They're just trying to get away with doing as little work as possible "/ The template will not need alot of editing, there isn't a whole lot to edit because most of it wouldn't be there. They seem to upgrade without any problems to other skins...

Create one before you start spewing please, else don't profess to be an expert on what you don't know :)

Sabbath
05-05-2008, 12:52 AM
Create one before you start spewing please, else don't profess to be an expert on what you don't know :)

I know, everyone is just like "LAZY, LAZY", when they could make it themselves, and see how hard it might be. It might seem weird from me, but the users CAN do something for once.

Nick.
05-05-2008, 09:02 AM
I'd happily do it, but I doubt you're gonna trust me with Admin CP to build it and test it :/

GommeInc
05-05-2008, 11:38 AM
Create one before you start spewing please, else don't profess to be an expert on what you don't know :)
- Not my job
- I didn't say I am an expert
- You should be finding people like this to hire
- It is lazy saying the demand isn't there, MAD didn't say no-one can make it ;)
- When the forum upgrades there won't be many issues considering you have graphic forum skins which barely need touching, and if they do they'll need extra attention than a forum which is graphicless
- And lastly, pretending you're clever nvrspk4 makes you look dumb my dear, your arguments were terrible when you were making false claims based on no source of information Where did I say I am an expert? Look into arguments if you don't wish to be made a fool of ;)


I'd happily do it, but I doubt you're gonna trust me with Admin CP to build it and test it :/
Ask Nick. to make it for you, or are you going to blurt out trust issues infront of long serving member, making yourselves look silly, again.

--ss--
05-05-2008, 12:57 PM
I'd happily do it, but I doubt you're gonna trust me with Admin CP to build it and test it :/
All the testing of skins is done on Habboxworld so there's not much of a risk on here ;).

I just tried viewing HxF with my PSP and well quite frankly it wasn't as slow as most people said it was. The text and banner loaded instantly but the topics and buttons took a bit longer but it wasn't that slow.

It's a nice idea but I don't think it's going to happen unless someone actually makes a live copy to show the admins.

nvrspk4
05-05-2008, 09:23 PM
I'd happily do it, but I doubt you're gonna trust me with Admin CP to build it and test it :/

Well yeah you couldn't build it and test it on here but if HabboxWorld's VB is still active you might be able to do it on there. If you're serious about it contact me and we'll see if we can't work something out.


- Not my job
So your job is to simply moan about everything you can and expect us to hop around to wait on you hand and foot?
- I didn't say I am an expert
Well then don't make assertions about the ease of the labor.
- You should be finding people like this to hire
Should is quite an objective word.
- It is lazy saying the demand isn't there, MAD didn't say no-one can make it ;)
No, MAD said for the demand, the difficulty in creating it is not worth it. He did not say the demand wasn't there, as a matter of fact he called it a good idea.
- When the forum upgrades there won't be many issues considering you have graphic forum skins which barely need touching, and if they do they'll need extra attention than a forum which is graphicless
Once again, do you have the information to back that up? The way I see it (and I am far from an expert on skinning) the issues with upgrades is the coding, not the images. An image tag here and there isn't where the problem would be, it would be in the coding of the forum, making the changes necessary on all skins. I could be wrong on that though, I'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable on skins ;)
- And lastly, pretending you're clever nvrspk4 makes you look dumb my dear, your arguments were terrible when you were making false claims based on no source of information Where did I say I am an expert? Look into arguments if you don't wish to be made a fool of ;)
I never pretended I'm clever, but I am bloody tired of you blustering about in the forums strutting your stuff and acting the big man and acting like you own the place and know everything there is to know. You criticize anything you can find a thread about. You acted like an expert when you commented on how easy it is. I've hardly been made a fool of but this argument isn't really worth carrying on as I'm sure it will merely continue with you calling me lazy and corrupt based on your preconcieved notions on what Habbox Management is.


Ask Nick. to make it for you, or are you going to blurt out trust issues infront of long serving member, making yourselves look silly, again.
Lots of bark eh.

samsaBEAR
05-05-2008, 09:32 PM
Well yeah you couldn't build it and test it on here but if HabboxWorld's VB is still active you might be able to do it on there. If you're serious about it contact me and we'll see if we can't work something out.

at bloody last, a month or so on and there's finally some progress

GommeInc
05-05-2008, 10:29 PM
So your job is to simply moan about everything you can and expect us to hop around to wait on you hand and foot?

- Well yes, considering it is your job to improve the community and to make benefits which suit it. You seem to be doing badly at your job, by questioning the communities decisions, ideas and concerns, it's no wonder I am see your name mentioned in the help desk about you being kicked out because you don't talk to people like you should do... I am not moaning on my own reasons, I am part of the council and I get told these things. The whole management team suck at their jobs as far as members can see, because they think they're superior to other people, and don't feel the need to listen to what they have to say, which is why many would like to see most of the management (guys in green) kicked out except Immenseman, who actually talks to the public like a teenager, not someone who thinks he is older or any the wiser. Infact he has been quite nice to talk to since he's been AGM and people look up to him. Other AGMs on the other hand... Not so much :rolleyes:

Well then don't make assertions about the ease of the labor.

- So why the fear of doing work which many people would like? It is lazyness, if you have time to ban members, create new skins, change systems which were working well enough to begin with, create forums, then you surely must have the time to make a new skin. I don't see why you don't ask the community, they won't bite and at least they won't look at half the management as socialphobes...

No, MAD said for the demand, the difficulty in creating it is not worth it. He did not say the demand wasn't there, as a matter of fact he called it a good idea.

- As far as I can see, the demand:ratio is in favour of the demand, loads of members want to see it. How much of a demand do you want? I doubt you'll even make changes if the whole forum was in favour of something.

Once again, do you have the information to back that up? The way I see it (and I am far from an expert on skinning) the issues with upgrades is the coding, not the images. An image tag here and there isn't where the problem would be, it would be in the coding of the forum, making the changes necessary on all skins. I could be wrong on that though, I'd have to ask someone more knowledgeable on skins

- Well when the forum goes down for upgrading it is up with 15 minutes, yet I see no problems with the skins, or very little problems that don't take a while to sort out. How comes whoever hires the forum techies doesn't inquire about HTML skills? What exactly is Jins job if you don't ask for this?

I never pretended I'm clever, but I am bloody tired of you blustering about in the forums strutting your stuff and acting the big man and acting like you own the place and know everything there is to know. You criticize anything you can find a thread about. You acted like an expert when you commented on how easy it is. I've hardly been made a fool of but this argument isn't really worth carrying on as I'm sure it will merely continue with you calling me lazy and corrupt based on your preconcieved notions on what Habbox Management is.

- I am arguing on behalf of many forum members, this forum is terrible and needs to improve. Actually, second thinking that... The management need to improve, and if they don't, kick them out..."/ I do not pretend I own the place, where do I do this, or can you not take criticism for your terrible descisions and terrible communcation skills? This forum is intended for teenagers, yet you and many other members of the management pretend you're bigger than you are by thinking you're always right by making stupid changes that cause many issues for the users, which are what make this forum, not some jumped up, anti-social imbesiles who wouldn't know what a community is unless it smacked them in the face with a bag of Sainsbury's brand potatoes "/ I have seen many members banned for the most stupid reasons which are done by the most corrupt members of the Habbox hierarchy who don't value Habbox Members, because they ban them when they feel like it, not when the member has done countless things wrong, but then that doesn't warrant a ban because all you need to do is the one thing you're bad at, communicating. It is clear just by talking to people in the help desk or receiving PMs by certains members that things need to change, and coincidently one of the changes is you quitting because you talk down to people (as seen by the bolded areas you wrote :rolleyes:). Other changes is kicking whoever it is who handles the Contact Us out of the team, whoever they are isn't very good at it and whoever is incharge of forum improvements needs to be shot point blank, which again whoever they are does a very terrible job. I drag up to you the issue of the Anime/Manga forum. Loads of members are for this and know that anime and manga will be quite a hit like it was with Flight Simulator. When that forum was created more users found Flight Simulator, which isn't quite as well known as Anime and Manga. The idiotic reason members got from management was it's a fad. So they brought up the Big Brother forum, which is possibly one of the worlds biggest fads that only exists for a few weeks at a time... No conclusion to that other than a thread closed and some members being banned. But for what reason? None...

I could go on but I'll get some silly reason we've all heard before and nothing will be done about it :rolleyes:

Also, I think the Department Managers are doing a good job. The departments are doing quite well now, just a shame some people are die hards and don't want to change for the better...

samsaBEAR
05-05-2008, 11:27 PM
continuing on from that labour argument, and the fact you're being lazy.
MAD took two days that i know of to install a chat that barely anyone uses, and that cost tons. i dont know how cheap skins are, but im sure they're not $200+ (which is what the chat cost, if i remember correctly from a site nvrspk showed me).
we have provided links to a skin, and a little hack that'll divert mobile users to that skin, and i dont think either of them cost anything (i could be wrong tho). why can you just take the couple of hours that it'll take and actually install them

it's all very well and good saying you'll need to update them everytiem you upgrade the forum, and that takes a while, fair enough. but habbox has 6 other skins, and you've never moaned about them before, why start now when we want you to introduce a skin that we've chosen, instead of the crappy ones that we dont have a say on.

GommeInc
06-05-2008, 12:12 AM
Very good point raised. The chat is deserted now, and I pity the VIPs who wasted their money on that feature when it could of gone to better use, and I furthermore pity them when they're paying for a service which doesn't give very good feedback :rolleyes: I beleive some members are starting to not buy VIP because of this? Could be wrong, there were rumours and mentions before.

It is just lazyness, the demand is there and the work shouldn't be in the equation when you can add pointless features no-one uses "/ or changes to features people use and didn't need drastic changes as we have seen with the rep system...

nvrspk4
06-05-2008, 03:54 AM
continuing on from that labour argument, and the fact you're being lazy.
MAD took two days that i know of to install a chat that barely anyone uses, and that cost tons. i dont know how cheap skins are, but im sure they're not $200+ (which is what the chat cost, if i remember correctly from a site nvrspk showed me).
we have provided links to a skin, and a little hack that'll divert mobile users to that skin, and i dont think either of them cost anything (i could be wrong tho). why can you just take the couple of hours that it'll take and actually install them

I'm not saying you're a liar or anything, but that wasn't me. Maybe you heard it from someone else? I know I repeated a number I heard somewhere of $200 but I never saw a site to prove it, later I believe Jin thought it was free, so if you've found a price that's cool but I'm not a good source on the price of that thin g:P

You provided links to a skin?! That's news to me. If I had known that in the first place we might have been able to consider it. Maybe if its possible to create a mobile subdomain with the skin applied (like iphone.facebook.com or whatever), we could look into that (I'd have to ask Jin about the technical feasibility, I'm no expert on that.) Perhaps there was a reason that too was not enacted but if there is an actual ready-to-use skin available then we might consider adding that.


it's all very well and good saying you'll need to update them everytiem you upgrade the forum, and that takes a while, fair enough. but habbox has 6 other skins, and you've never moaned about them before, why start now when we want you to introduce a skin that we've chosen, instead of the crappy ones that we dont have a say on.

I actually am not 100% sure where the argument about updating the skins popped up, the only reason I even mentioned it was Gomme said it would be easier. As for the skin, I can't say how much extra time it would cost us, but I believe as far as the time factor goes we were talking about the creation of the skin itself as opposed to the upkeep of the skin. May be wrong on that one.


Very good point raised. The chat is deserted now, and I pity the VIPs who wasted their money on that feature when it could of gone to better use, and I furthermore pity them when they're paying for a service which doesn't give very good feedback :rolleyes: I beleive some members are starting to not buy VIP because of this? Could be wrong, there were rumours and mentions before.

It is just lazyness, the demand is there and the work shouldn't be in the equation when you can add pointless features no-one uses "/ or changes to features people use and didn't need drastic changes as we have seen with the rep system...

I see the mistake I made now. Its rather pointless replying to your posts. You aren't posting for the sake of bettering Habbox. You're posting for the sake of ripping management. Your motivation has nothing to do with creating a better Habbox, its of you being the "hero" and taking jabs at management every chance you get for whatever reason you have. You simply quoted his post to restate your point and throw in a jab at management because you saw an opportunity.

Please don't try and act like an expert on management's motives. What you're missing is that you're acting like its our job to do whatever the hell you want. No. Its our community too. What is the point of Habbox? Is it to make money? No. Its to create a friendly environment. We want to create the best environment we can among management. Hell, what other reward do we get? Think about it. What benefits do we reap from being on the Staff other than being a part of making Habbox the best we can? Because I sure as hell don't work here just so I can click the ban button and feel all the power coursing through my veins, as much as some would like to believe it.

By the way, comments you make criticizing my work really have absolutely no effect on me. You can throw sticks and stones all day and you won't make a dent :) I really don't know what happened to you Gomme. You used to be a respectable guy, now you've turned into someone who's a contrarian with no apparent purpose but to make attacks on management in any way you can, be it rational or not.

Beau
06-05-2008, 10:24 AM
My advice - someone set up a test vBulletin (you're allowed one per license, as long as it is protected via htaccess and located in a 'testvb' directory), give some designers access, and go wild. Once you've come up with something, give MAD a yell, give him access to the vBulletin and let him see for himself. I think the majority of posters in this thread are missing out on the point that Management aren't saying no to the idea because they don't want to make the community happy - they are saying no because they can't see the idea working, and don't want to waste time in something that is pointless. All you can do is attempt to prove them wrong :)

GommeInc
06-05-2008, 11:55 AM
I see the mistake I made now. Its rather pointless replying to your posts. You aren't posting for the sake of bettering Habbox. You're posting for the sake of ripping management. Your motivation has nothing to do with creating a better Habbox, its of you being the "hero" and taking jabs at management every chance you get for whatever reason you have. You simply quoted his post to restate your point and throw in a jab at management because you saw an opportunity.

Please don't try and act like an expert on management's motives. What you're missing is that you're acting like its our job to do whatever the hell you want. No. Its our community too. What is the point of Habbox? Is it to make money? No. Its to create a friendly environment. We want to create the best environment we can among management. Hell, what other reward do we get? Think about it. What benefits do we reap from being on the Staff other than being a part of making Habbox the best we can? Because I sure as hell don't work here just so I can click the ban button and feel all the power coursing through my veins, as much as some would like to believe it.

By the way, comments you make criticizing my work really have absolutely no effect on me. You can throw sticks and stones all day and you won't make a dent :) I really don't know what happened to you Gomme. You used to be a respectable guy, now you've turned into someone who's a contrarian with no apparent purpose but to make attacks on management in any way you can, be it rational or not.
Actually it's not just me who wants to better Habbox by removing all management (except Jake), there are hundreds of people, most who happen to work for Habbox because the Management really don't care, and one of them is you nvrspk4 "/ Why would I want to become a hero? How can I? I can't, I have no such powers so no, I can't become a hero and I don't wish to be. I see you are losing this argument, I've seen it all before. You play the "put words in people's mouths" game, by putting make-beleive titles on people to try and make others follow. Sadly it doesn't work for anyone above the age of 14 with more brain cells than the one who previously thought up said title.

You don't have to be an expert to know how management work, heck you're not an expert, MAD isn't an expert, sierk isn't an expert, otherwise you would be bettering the community, which is what you are not doing. You ignore people, you talk down to people, you're arrogant, you're aim is to not better Habbox, you're not looked up to, other's have done a better job, other's even tell you how to do you're jobs who were ex-management.

And this is where you fail with Habbox, you said it yourself "No. Its to create a friendly environment. We want to create the best environment we can among management." No one cares for the management, people want a community which is for teens and created by teens. At the moment it is a muddled up community created by teens who don't want to talk to people who are 'lower' than them, nor talk to teens like a teenager. I put forward these questions

Why don't you act your age?
Why don't you value your members?
What is Habbox's Aim (members, community etc)?
Why don't you listen to members who use the forums for opinions?
Why do you ban members for no reason?
Why do you think banning members solves anything?
Why the frequent need to think you're always right, when most possibly all of the forum are around the same age as you and are just as smart and dumb as you? You're not always right, you get proven wrong frequently by other members.

You seem to think the only reward for working for Habbox is to work amount management... You can reap a stronger reward talking to members as if you were one. This "I am in management, I should act like a 30 year old" act is incredibly boring and doesn't gain you any respect. Take Jake as an example, down to earth and fun. Take half the management team, wouldn't know what fun is if it bit them hard on the bottom and they act as if they've never been to earth "/

And I've not changed, you have, by thinking you're better than other people. And if you cannot accept the stones and sticks thrown at you well then, prepare to not be respected on a forum where respect worked well back in the Seacat and JackHb days, where they ran a community, not a chicken farm where members are not looked at, talked down to, and exterminated for no reason what so ever. Also, weren't you the one who questioned management decisions when you were in the council? Why have you all of a sudden turned into a berk?!

If you can't take management being bulled, quit. Because it is the management which are the problem here, not the community and sadly I have to stick up for them because no one else can...

samsaBEAR
06-05-2008, 02:11 PM
lol i had to lengthen this because i posted inside the quotes


Very good point raised. The chat is deserted now, and I pity the VIPs who wasted their money on that feature when it could of gone to better use, and I furthermore pity them when they're paying for a service which doesn't give very good feedback :rolleyes: I beleive some members are starting to not buy VIP because of this? Could be wrong, there were rumours and mentions before.

yup, someone suggested the idea earlier on in this thread, or maybe another thread in the feedback forum, and a lot of people, including 'famous' users like Ostinato aren't buying untill we see something that we want.

It is just lazyness, the demand is there and the work shouldn't be in the equation when you can add pointless features no-one uses "/ or changes to features people use and didn't need drastic changes as we have seen with the rep system...



I'm not saying you're a liar or anything, but that wasn't me. Maybe you heard it from someone else? I know I repeated a number I heard somewhere of $200 but I never saw a site to prove it, later I believe Jin thought it was free, so if you've found a price that's cool but I'm not a good source on the price of that thin g:P

i wasnt quite sure if it was you or not, it was an AGM tho, im pretty sure of it, sorry for accusing you :)
edit; i cant find it now, and i cant search for it because it was inside a quote, and those dont show up on the search.

You provided links to a skin?! That's news to me. If I had known that in the first place we might have been able to consider it. Maybe if its possible to create a mobile subdomain with the skin applied (like iphone.facebook.com or whatever), we could look into that (I'd have to ask Jin about the technical feasibility, I'm no expert on that.) Perhaps there was a reason that too was not enacted but if there is an actual ready-to-use skin available then we might consider adding that.

we provided links about 3 pages back maybe, which were all just looked over. and that sub-domain idea sounds like a great idea tbh, i cant see why that would be a problem.

I actually am not 100% sure where the argument about updating the skins popped up, the only reason I even mentioned it was Gomme said it would be easier. As for the skin, I can't say how much extra time it would cost us, but I believe as far as the time factor goes we were talking about the creation of the skin itself as opposed to the upkeep of the skin. May be wrong on that one.

i think it was MAD that said about updating skins, dont quote me on it tho :P

samsaBEAR
06-05-2008, 02:32 PM
i cant edit sorry, but i found the pricing for the chat:


Concurrent Users License | Price
50 Users | $199
100 Users | $299
250 Users | $499
500 Users | $899
1000 Users | $1299
Unlimited Users | $1599
PRO details | $2499

http://www.123flashchat.com/buy.html
so it was at least $199

Catzsy
06-05-2008, 02:39 PM
Actually it's not just me who wants to better Habbox by removing all management (except Jake), there are hundreds of people, most who happen to work for Habbox because the Management really don't care, and one of them is you nvrspk4 "/ Why would I want to become a hero? How can I? I can't, I have no such powers so no, I can't become a hero and I don't wish to be. I see you are losing this argument, I've seen it all before. You play the "put words in people's mouths" game, by putting make-beleive titles on people to try and make others follow. Sadly it doesn't work for anyone above the age of 14 with more brain cells than the one who previously thought up said title.

You don't have to be an expert to know how management work, heck you're not an expert, MAD isn't an expert, sierk isn't an expert, otherwise you would be bettering the community, which is what you are not doing. You ignore people, you talk down to people, you're arrogant, you're aim is to not better Habbox, you're not looked up to, other's have done a better job, other's even tell you how to do you're jobs who were ex-management.

And this is where you fail with Habbox, you said it yourself "No. Its to create a friendly environment. We want to create the best environment we can among management." No one cares for the management, people want a community which is for teens and created by teens. At the moment it is a muddled up community created by teens who don't want to talk to people who are 'lower' than them, nor talk to teens like a teenager. I put forward these questions

Why don't you act your age?
Why don't you value your members?
What is Habbox's Aim (members, community etc)?
Why don't you listen to members who use the forums for opinions?
Why do you ban members for no reason?
Why do you think banning members solves anything?
Why the frequent need to think you're always right, when most possibly all of the forum are around the same age as you and are just as smart and dumb as you? You're not always right, you get proven wrong frequently by other members.

You seem to think the only reward for working for Habbox is to work amount management... You can reap a stronger reward talking to members as if you were one. This "I am in management, I should act like a 30 year old" act is incredibly boring and doesn't gain you any respect. Take Jake as an example, down to earth and fun. Take half the management team, wouldn't know what fun is if it bit them hard on the bottom and they act as if they've never been to earth "/

And I've not changed, you have, by thinking you're better than other people. And if you cannot accept the stones and sticks thrown at you well then, prepare to not be respected on a forum where respect worked well back in the Seacat and JackHb days, where they ran a community, not a chicken farm where members are not looked at, talked down to, and exterminated for no reason what so ever. Also, weren't you the one who questioned management decisions when you were in the council? Why have you all of a sudden turned into a berk?!

If you can't take management being bulled, quit. Because it is the management which are the problem here, not the community and sadly I have to stick up for them because no one else can...

Gomme, whilst I agree with some of your sentiments particuarly with reference to the loss of personal friendly communication, interaction and the generalised authoritarian 'like it or lump it' non-empathetic attitude of some I really do not think Nvrspk4 can be accused of any of these. Of all people he is the one who has always fought hard for the members and has always been approachable and helpful but never has wielded the hand of power in a inconsidered irresponsible fashion which as the staff editor would have been very easy to do. Originally Habbox got tougher because of bullying and he was absolutely right about that. It seems to have gone way beyond that now but that's not his department. This arguement seems to have got to the stage of something that does not become you at all. :)

I have been thinking a lot about this and the problem is that unfortunately for Habbox not everyone considers their actions or has Habbox at heart in the same way as Nvr. Sure he fights his corner as you do but that is 500% better than being completely ignored then finding completely draconious measures introduced to get rid of the 'trouble makers'. He has a tough job to do and could not be ever classified in the immature, press the ban button, gung-ho merchants whose intelligence levels are not perhaps up to doing the job especially on situations where good judgment is called for. The trouble is that it only has to be 2 or 3 people like this and others that are recruited after follow on because that is the example that has been set.

I have a lot of respect for quite a few of the Habbox staff and Nvr is certainly one of them.

The Professor
06-05-2008, 04:07 PM
I really do not understand how you can continue flaming nvr after the posts he made seeming interested in pursuing the feasability of it. If anything, I'd respect him for that as he appears to be acting independantly of what MAD has said, which I think shows commitment towards the members and habbox, I don't see how it can be interpreted as anything else.

The key word is "flaming." Something which should be kept to PM because it isn't pleasant for the members to read flame wars between two or three people. If it wasn't an AGM involved, I'd close the thread here and now because the issue has been lost in amongst the insults and personal attacks.

My two cents anyway.

Nick.
06-05-2008, 04:13 PM
Red name responses;
An admin;

Woo iPod touch ! Yes, this is a good idea. I'm sure I suggested this quite a while ago but I'm not too sure if there is a big enough demand for it. I certainly would appreciate it so this is a nice idea. :)
Two smods;

Very good idea, I sometimes use my PSP on HxF and it takes a while. I hope this gets put into action!

Indeed , it's a great idea and will help expand HxF and make it more [I]unique to other forums :).


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The VB addon

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=151186&highlight=ipod

"Requires no effort"

Would the vb addon be so hard to do? Really?

Oh and guys, please try and stay on topic/keep the flaming down... I don't want this thread closing :(


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Also, another thread I made which would be a great implementation;

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=464961

For that [timg] thread.

Fehm
06-05-2008, 04:14 PM
My iPhone takes ages to load HF. and it gets annoying :P With a new skin the target audience would be greater and more users will visit! Yay :) Great idea. +rep.

nvrspk4
07-05-2008, 05:44 AM
Thanks Rosie :)


The VB addon


Would the vb addon be so hard to do? Really?

Mm, I don't know how difficult it would be to install or whether the parts of the forum we'd be editing would create a security risk. I'll talk to some of our techies and see what they say :)


Also, another thread I made which would be a great implementation;


I would suggest reposting it as if I were to reply to that now I would be bumping it, and I'm sure 200 users would be jumping over each other to point that out :P I suggest including a link to the plugin as well (I may be wrong but Plugins I don't believe are security threats, so that would be easier to implement...but I could be mixed up.)

today
07-05-2008, 12:29 PM
I often use my phone to search HxF ect, and it takes bloody ages ;[

You've seen the range of people who want it, why not?

d17c
07-05-2008, 02:27 PM
Also, wouldn't this reduce the bandwidth costs for HxF, due to fewer images, leaving you with more money to spend on unnecessary chat systems?

Decode
07-05-2008, 02:37 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/ has no graphics on.

Nick.
07-05-2008, 02:40 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/ has no graphics on.
It's already been mentioned, however it is not a valid suggestion as there is no User CP, no New Posts, no search and when you click a forum it shows the oldest first.

samsaBEAR
07-05-2008, 07:34 PM
http://www.habboxforum.com/archive/index.php/ has no graphics on.
its also a pile of crap

Shawnstra
11-05-2008, 04:46 AM
on my iPod touch now ;) just got it yesterday! Yeah great idea I think, mostly a positive response, and it won't really affect those that don't want it anyway...

samsaBEAR
11-05-2008, 11:38 AM
we're almost hitting 10 pages now (i have 20 posts per page), the demand is clearly here

GommeInc
11-05-2008, 02:13 PM
Has N!ck been allowed to create this skin? Because I am sure the demand is definitely over taking work effort.

samsaBEAR
11-05-2008, 02:19 PM
Has N!ck been allowed to create this skin? Because I am sure the demand is definitely over taking work effort.
i was wondering about that

--ss--
11-05-2008, 08:23 PM
I'm usually on the side of Habbox and management, but I do believe this is taking far too long to sort out seeing as their is an huge amount demand for this and well someone should be given the opportunity to atleast attempt it ;).

nvrspk4
12-05-2008, 06:18 AM
Has N!ck been allowed to create this skin? Because I am sure the demand is definitely over taking work effort.

I asked him to contact me if he was interested in making the skin for us but he hasn't done so. I don't want to force him into it, it should be entirely his own choice. I'm looking into the feasibility of using the redirects and default skin but with many management members having exams its not the easiest thing to do.

GommeInc
12-05-2008, 08:48 AM
Hmmm, bit of a bad time to give fansites official status when this is the worst time of the year for them, with senior school exams, college exams and university exams...

nvrspk4
12-05-2008, 09:09 PM
Hmmm, bit of a bad time to give fansites official status when this is the worst time of the year for them, with senior school exams, college exams and university exams...

Silly isn't it? Habbo still works on a year-round cycle, they only work on the school cycle when it comes to events themselves.

GommeInc
12-05-2008, 10:27 PM
The best time to dish out official fansite badges would be in July, for the summer. Of course, before that there would be the 2 or so weeks of nominating, but that wouldn't take up the site owners time or effort.

samsaBEAR
15-05-2008, 02:00 PM
any advancements?

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