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DJ-TERRORIST
12-04-2008, 03:23 AM
In 2007, Guillermo Vargas Habacuc, a so called artist, took an abandoned dog from the streets, tied him to a very short rope to a wall in an art gallery, and left a kettle of food on the other side of the room, beyond his reach, and left him there to slowly die of hunger and thirst.

The so-called artist of such cruelty and the visitors of the gallery of art watched the agony of this animal. The dog finally died of famine, surely after a painful, absurd and incomprehensible torture.

The prestigious Centralamerican Biennial of Art decided that this horrible act committed by this guy was art, and Guillermo Vargas Habacuc has been invited to repeat his cruel actions in said Biennial in 2008.

If you go to this website there is a petition to try to stop this from happening again. Also links to the previous 'art work'.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/675045 (http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/675045)
For non-Spanish speakers: the next 2 categories that you must fill out following your email is: 1) city; 2) country


here are pictures to prove this.
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http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9090/n81883539226493304937eb2.jpg


http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7104/n81883539226555936291qs9.jpg


http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3554/n81883539226555956686of1.jpg


http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2142/n81883539226555966878nz9.jpg

THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!!!!!

i have emailed every english habbo i can think of asking for help.

please stop this man from doing this again!!!!!!!!!

Soups
12-04-2008, 03:28 AM
I hope the dog bites his balls off.

Edited by --ss-- (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make inappropriate comments ;).

DJ-TERRORIST
12-04-2008, 03:38 AM
you nuthing but a 2 bit P.O.S that dog died with in a day.

they put food a foot away from what he could reach and watch him starve to death wile calling it art.

they are going to do this again this year,

ANIMALS CANT SPEAK FOR THEM SELF AND IF WE DONT THEN NOONE WILL!!!!!

WE MUST STOP THIS AT ONCE HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS YOU!!!!!!!!

Evasion
12-04-2008, 06:34 AM
Why is your name terrorist?
& by the way the petition is not in English so that's no ******* good is it.

Wootzeh
12-04-2008, 11:02 AM
The cruelty has stopped, the dog's dead.

Technologic
12-04-2008, 11:31 AM
The cruelty has stopped, the dog's dead.OMG LOL.

However i must admit it's rather cruel...

Virgin Mary
12-04-2008, 11:35 AM
That's what spanishes do, they're the lowest on the evolutionary hierarchy of the human race so they aren't sentient or anything and have no concept of pain. You can't reason with them!

Invent
12-04-2008, 12:49 PM
http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/starving-dog-exhibit-reported-as-hoax.html (http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/675045)

It's been reported as a hoax..hopefully it was.

leah
12-04-2008, 01:34 PM
OMG! I hope it was a Hoax :(
those people wouldn't have crowded around it and not done anything about it.

Falcon
12-04-2008, 01:48 PM
people put more money towards animals than human charities like cancer ect..
I personally don't care about animals as human charities are more important.

Animal cruelty will be around for years, it's not going to stop.

DJ-TERRORIST
12-04-2008, 03:17 PM
wow u ppl are a bunch of ******s


read what it says under were it tells u the site.

it tells u what the translation is.

Meti
12-04-2008, 03:26 PM
I hope the dog bites his balls off.

Edited by --ss-- (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not make inappropriate comments ;).
Comeon! what if this dog was you?!?!? Selfish *****

The cruelty has stopped, the dog's dead.
is it true? :8


OMG LOL.

Very funny, huh?! :S I doubt it.


people put more money towards animals than human charities like cancer ect..
I personally don't care about animals as human charities are more important.

Animal cruelty will be around for years, it's not going to stop.
You're also selfish. Only thinking about your self! :(

Wootzeh
12-04-2008, 03:48 PM
Comeon! what if this dog was you?!?!? Selfish *****

is it true? :8


Very funny, huh?! :S I doubt it.


You're also selfish. Only thinking about your self! :(
Did he say he was thinking about himself? He said he'd rather give money to a charity for humans than animals.

DJ-TERRORIST
12-04-2008, 05:35 PM
first of all this has nothing to do with money it has to do with stopping this from happening again.

and humans can help our selfs this dog was left for nothing but death we could untie the rope he cant.

animals are helpless and unless we help them then this will not stop.

and your very erigent to say that you dont care about animals and you dont care about this.

remember when ur in a bad situation noones gonna care about you.

Falcon
12-04-2008, 06:09 PM
first of all this has nothing to do with money it has to do with stopping this from happening again.

and humans can help our selfs this dog was left for nothing but death we could untie the rope he cant.

animals are helpless and unless we help them then this will not stop.

and your very erigent to say that you dont care about animals and you dont care about this.

remember when ur in a bad situation noones gonna care about you.

well, stop sitting there & go rescue some animals.

Meti
12-04-2008, 06:18 PM
well, stop sitting there & go rescue some animals.
And you think that's so easy?
:S

Nereo
12-04-2008, 08:57 PM
it amazes me what people consider to be art these days. I could thow up on an easel and call it art

DJ-TERRORIST
14-04-2008, 11:23 PM
you kno it seems to me that only me and meti care about this disguesting what ever they call it but you ppl are a bunch of messed up idiots ur parents are probley ashamed of haveing such BEEP ups as there kids.

all of u can go to hell.

thanks for your support in this meti

Dan2nd
15-04-2008, 11:47 AM
you nuthing but a 2 bit P.O.S that dog died with in a day.

they put food a foot away from what he could reach and watch him starve to death wile calling it art.

they are going to do this again this year,

ANIMALS CANT SPEAK FOR THEM SELF AND IF WE DONT THEN NOONE WILL!!!!!

WE MUST STOP THIS AT ONCE HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF IT WAS YOU!!!!!!!!

I guess I'd feel hungry...


you kno it seems to me that only me and meti care about this disguesting what ever they call it but you ppl are a bunch of messed up idiots ur parents are probley ashamed of haveing such BEEP ups as there kids.

all of u can go to hell.

thanks for your support in this meti

You can't expect everyone to feel the same way as you do.. and I don't know how'd you know what their parents think of them :S

I think this is cruel and stuff but if he was an abandoned dog he'd probably have been very ill and under fed already and would have died in a few days/weeks anyway. I'm not saying what happened to him was right though

blackops121
15-04-2008, 11:52 AM
Animal Cruelty Is Wrong! I Think People Should Protest At Where This Is Happening And Try Release The Captured Dogs! And If Animal Cruelty, Which It Wont, Stop! I Would Be Like :eusa_danc :P

Catzsy
15-04-2008, 12:11 PM
That person is just sadistic - what an excuse to make for a vile action. Perhaps another artist should do the same to him and claim that it is art too.
Well done for drawing our attention to it.=]

cunning
15-04-2008, 01:44 PM
That's crazy, I can't believe they allow that. That's just how bad a place can be.

GommeInc
15-04-2008, 03:26 PM
first of all this has nothing to do with money it has to do with stopping this from happening again. - As with most things, this requires money from a source.

and humans can help our selfs this dog was left for nothing but death we could untie the rope he cant. - The dog could chew through the rope though, but I see your point.

animals are helpless and unless we help them then this will not stop - It will NEVER stop, sadly

and your very erigent to say that you dont care about animals and you dont care about this. - It's not arrogant? If he was talking about himself it would be, but he was saying he would rather give money to charities that effect people. People isn't a singular word, he cares for other people, thus not arrogant...

remember when ur in a bad situation noones gonna care about you. - Depends if you have any enemies. I guarantee most people care about you in bad situations. A dog is something less cared about because they cannot communicate with humans like we can communicate with another human.

All the things in bold are things I've mentioned :)

Thetan
15-04-2008, 06:58 PM
Well, a human life is more important then an animal life, but if you CAN do something about it, then you should.

Adam$
15-04-2008, 11:40 PM
I'm not usually 'soft' on many subjects but i strongly oppose to animal cruelty, I have signed the petition.

Also, re above, I would rather give money to an animal charity than a human charity.

Thetan
15-04-2008, 11:51 PM
I'm not usually 'soft' on many subjects but i strongly oppose to animal cruelty, I have signed the petition.

Also, re above, I would rather give money to an animal charity than a human charity.


Ummm, why may I ask?

FlyingJesus
15-04-2008, 11:53 PM
Personally I think it's disgusting that people think they're moral by opposing this sort of thing which is an isolated incident involving just one animal, and don't seem to realise how many millions of humans suffer much more than this all across the world. I personally am not the nicest of people and don't particularly care about either of these things, but seriously: it's a dog. Humans (who are sentient and can actually understand suffering) have a worse time of it in much larger numbers and I don't see you campaigning for them.

Thetan
15-04-2008, 11:58 PM
Personally I think it's disgusting that people think they're moral by opposing this sort of thing which is an isolated incident involving just one animal, and don't seem to realise how many millions of humans suffer much more than this all across the world. I personally am not the nicest of people and don't particularly care about either of these things, but seriously: it's a dog. Humans (who are sentient and can actually understand suffering) have a worse time of it in much larger numbers and I don't see you campaigning for them.


Well, I have the same opinion. You should not be going all trying to save an animal, when there are humans that need to be saved. But saying this, I also think you should do what you can to save an animal, such as reporting abuse or such. I mean you shouldn't give tons money to an animal charitie, but if you see a hurt looking dog you should take it to the spca or something.

Catzsy
16-04-2008, 12:03 AM
Personally I think it's disgusting that people think they're moral by opposing this sort of thing which is an isolated incident involving just one animal, and don't seem to realise how many millions of humans suffer much more than this all across the world. I personally am not the nicest of people and don't particularly care about either of these things, but seriously: it's a dog. Humans (who are sentient and can actually understand suffering) have a worse time of it in much larger numbers and I don't see you campaigning for them.

Well I think most of the people in this would agree about the millions suffering but really you can't say he doesn't care about them because he posts a thread on animal cruelty. That's a bit subjective I think. It's a living creature after all and whilst its doesn't have human intelligence can feel pain and suffering.

Adam$
17-04-2008, 07:23 PM
Ummm, why may I ask?
I care more about animals, evidently. Coincidentally I also hate kids. (although I wouldn't wish harm on them, I just find them annoying and I'd rather have a pet than a kid anyday)

stratosphere2
18-04-2008, 04:24 PM
The only thing you seem to do in this thread is go around and bad mouth a whole bunch of people :l

BaybeeElin
21-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Personally I think Animal Cruelty is sick.
Just saying that though isn't going to change anything.
If we cared deeply enough about it we would prevent it.

To be honest, I don't know how so many people could just watch it die so painfully.

Purposeless
22-04-2008, 01:02 AM
Err... Didn't someone already post a link showing that it was a hoax?...................

shizzle
22-04-2008, 04:16 PM
Thats soo sad.

lewis-moody
19-05-2008, 08:55 PM
this is sick! i may buy a website against this!

JessicaLOL
19-05-2008, 09:44 PM
personally, i think animal cruetly is very emotional subject.
animals do nothing, NOTHING at all to be treated like that, and eventhough it will always happen out of greed etc its horriable to think that they do nothing; they only kill in the wild because they have too, or bite because there owners have brought them up to be defensive so i just think it needs to stop, because some may have the attitude "humans" before animals but to be honest animals were here before us, and they dont do nothing to get treated like that.

Redacted
19-05-2008, 09:49 PM
I hate animal cruelty, I hate looking at the pictures.

It just makes me depressed.

Then I always hug my dog, start kissing it and think about what If it was him.

But how can we stop it? we cant.

Unless we come down really hard on those caught.

HotelUser
19-05-2008, 09:54 PM
The fact that some people believe this to be art, is just totally disgusting. I think even jail time would be reasonable for the killers, seeing as they obviously got enjoyment out of watching a living thing die like that.

Bef
19-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Thats sick! Thats not art, thats something that an 8 year old boy with serious mental issues might do

edit: i just read an update to the article u posted

UPDATE !!!!!!!!!!!!DONNA C. BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION AND I HOPE IT'S TRUE !!!
March 22, 2008
Starving dog exhibit reported as a hoax (http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/starving-dog-exhibit-reported-as-hoax.html)


The story of a dog being starved to death as part of an art exhibition (http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/dog-starved-to-death-in-name-of-art.html)appears to have been falsely reported by Costa Rican newspaper The Nation, according to new sources. I reported the appalling story here last week among global outrage about the exhibit and a reported invitation to repeat the work elsewhere.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZHLqsYuI/AAAAAAAAAHU/IvHNg1MoHbU/s200/dog2.jpg (http://bp2.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZHLqsYuI/AAAAAAAAAHU/IvHNg1MoHbU/s1600-h/dog2.jpg)It has now emerged, however, that artist Guillermo Habacuc Vargas intended the work to be a stunt to show how a starving dog suddenly becomes the centre of attention when it is in a gallery, but not when it is on the street. The work was intended to expose people for what they really are - "hyprocritical sheep". He said that in order for the work to be valid, he and the gallery had to give the impression that the dog was genuinely starving to death and that it died.

Juanita Bermúdez, director of the Codex Gallery, stated that he would not have allowed the dog to be mistreated, that it ate and drank regularly, and that it was allowed to escape back to the streets from where it was taken at the end of the exhibit. "It is conceptual art and a work that leaves a social message", he said.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZO7qsYvI/AAAAAAAAAHc/K1eedl0Hno4/s200/dog5.jpg (http://bp1.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZO7qsYvI/AAAAAAAAAHc/K1eedl0Hno4/s1600-h/dog5.jpg)The stunt provoked massive outrage on a global scale, and over a million people have signed an online petition to try and prevent another dog being starved to death in a repeat of the exhibit. Unconfirmed reports say that the artist even received death threats and, judging by the vehement anger I've seen in response to this story, that would not suprise me.

The strange thing is perhaps how you react knowing now that this was a hoax. I suspect, like me, you still feel angry, perhaps that it's sick, and that your initial reaction was totally justified. But though I may not agree with his shocking methods whatsoever, I have to admire Guillermo Habacuc Vargas' ability to inspire such a reaction and, in that sense, didn't he achieve what he set out to do? Whether it qualifies as 'art', conceptual or not, is a totally different matter...

Visit www.thepetextraordinarium.co.uk (http://www.thepetextraordinarium.co.uk/)

Hopeless
19-05-2008, 11:30 PM
how can 'we' stop 'him' if 'I' don't even know 'you'

whitebengal
20-05-2008, 10:11 AM
I hope the dog bites his balls off.

lol nice choice of words there....I agree!


people put more money towards animals than human charities like cancer ect..
I personally don't care about animals as human charities are more important.

Animal cruelty will be around for years, it's not going to stop.

It's people like you that cause so much animal cruelty to continue....Maybe you should fight for the cause rather than saying 'its not going to stop'

Do something about it and it WILL make a difference!!


you kno it seems to me that only me and meti care about this disguesting what ever they call it but you ppl are a bunch of messed up idiots ur parents are probley ashamed of haveing such BEEP ups as there kids.

all of u can go to hell.

thanks for your support in this meti


You're not on your own I agree 100%

I have been campaigning for animal cruelty to stop for years....and I mean ALL animal cruelty.


Well, a human life is more important then an animal life, but if you CAN do something about it, then you should.

Why is a human life more important than an animals?
If an animal could speak, you would not think like that that.
Animals are just like humans, They live, They breathe, They feel love, They have families, They build homes, They feel fear and they feel pain....just like we do!

Only difference between animals and humans is we can speak and they cant!
Therefore they are treated differently and this is wrong on so many levels.
Animals were not put on this planet to be slaughtered, eaten, tested on, used for fashion, hunted or to be used for entertainment!

This is a cruel world full of cruel people....Sad fact is it will take a LONG time before it is stopped...but the small things you do can make a BIG difference.

Sign petitions, Go on demonstrations and be the voice for animals.
They're crying out for help whether you like it or not....Animals need people to help them...simple! They can't defend them selves and they can't speak out but we can.....We can make a difference if we don't give up!
Too many people are ignorant to the fact that animals have just as much rights as humans!

I have always been an animal rights activist and I'm proud to be! I will continue to go on demonstrations, I will continue to tell people the truth!
Call me a tree hugger, Call me what you like.....
I couldn't care less what people think of me because I know that I am making a difference and for every demonstration I go on, For every petition I sign and for every A.L.F member I support I know that I am doing what I can do be the voice for animals! :)

Supersam
20-05-2008, 10:19 AM
I wont quote the above post but... right on :)

I almost went off one in chemistry when my teacher said he supported animal testing.

I was like @;+_9((&*&%$* *bites tongue*

buttons
20-05-2008, 11:33 AM
not all animals are all innocent, to the person that said animals don't do NOTHING to be treated this way, your stupid!?! real life people get tortured like this as well :S and they aint always bad people!! a little boy in our town got bit on the neck by a dog and his voice box is completely ******, so if you think animals are all innocent little creatures think again, but fair enough, they don't deserve this kinda treatment, no-one does.

Bef
20-05-2008, 12:07 PM
Thats sick! Thats not art, thats something that an 8 year old boy with serious mental issues might do

edit: i just read an update to the article u posted

UPDATE !!!!!!!!!!!!DONNA C. BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION AND I HOPE IT'S TRUE !!!
March 22, 2008
Starving dog exhibit reported as a hoax (http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/starving-dog-exhibit-reported-as-hoax.html)


The story of a dog being starved to death as part of an art exhibition (http://thepetextraordinarium.blogspot.com/2008/03/dog-starved-to-death-in-name-of-art.html)appears to have been falsely reported by Costa Rican newspaper The Nation, according to new sources. I reported the appalling story here last week among global outrage about the exhibit and a reported invitation to repeat the work elsewhere.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZHLqsYuI/AAAAAAAAAHU/IvHNg1MoHbU/s200/dog2.jpg (http://bp2.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZHLqsYuI/AAAAAAAAAHU/IvHNg1MoHbU/s1600-h/dog2.jpg)It has now emerged, however, that artist Guillermo Habacuc Vargas intended the work to be a stunt to show how a starving dog suddenly becomes the centre of attention when it is in a gallery, but not when it is on the street. The work was intended to expose people for what they really are - "hyprocritical sheep". He said that in order for the work to be valid, he and the gallery had to give the impression that the dog was genuinely starving to death and that it died.

Juanita Bermúdez, director of the Codex Gallery, stated that he would not have allowed the dog to be mistreated, that it ate and drank regularly, and that it was allowed to escape back to the streets from where it was taken at the end of the exhibit. "It is conceptual art and a work that leaves a social message", he said.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZO7qsYvI/AAAAAAAAAHc/K1eedl0Hno4/s200/dog5.jpg (http://bp1.blogger.com/_o1cDUnWhmug/R-TZO7qsYvI/AAAAAAAAAHc/K1eedl0Hno4/s1600-h/dog5.jpg)The stunt provoked massive outrage on a global scale, and over a million people have signed an online petition to try and prevent another dog being starved to death in a repeat of the exhibit. Unconfirmed reports say that the artist even received death threats and, judging by the vehement anger I've seen in response to this story, that would not suprise me.

The strange thing is perhaps how you react knowing now that this was a hoax. I suspect, like me, you still feel angry, perhaps that it's sick, and that your initial reaction was totally justified. But though I may not agree with his shocking methods whatsoever, I have to admire Guillermo Habacuc Vargas' ability to inspire such a reaction and, in that sense, didn't he achieve what he set out to do? Whether it qualifies as 'art', conceptual or not, is a totally different matter...

Visit www.thepetextraordinarium.co.uk (http://www.thepetextraordinarium.co.uk/)

Just thought id quote this again as everyone seems to have ignored the fact that this was apparently a hoax?

whitebengal
20-05-2008, 01:39 PM
not all animals are all innocent, to the person that said animals don't do NOTHING to be treated this way, your stupid!?! real life people get tortured like this as well :S and they aint always bad people!! a little boy in our town got bit on the neck by a dog and his voice box is completely ******, so if you think animals are all innocent little creatures think again, but fair enough, they don't deserve this kinda treatment, no-one does.


Dogs don't just bite for no reason...Dogs that bite are usually badly kept or are threatened in some way....Dogs aren't vicious monsters like they are sometimes portrayed! I had a dog once that bit someone and this was because the little boy stood on him...My dog wasn't vicious though...and I'm sure if someone stood on you while you were sleeping you would react badly too....


Just thought id quote this again as everyone seems to have ignored the fact that this was apparently a hoax?


Whether it is a hoax or not..That doesn't matter...Point is things like this DO happen!

JessicaLOL
20-05-2008, 02:15 PM
not all animals are all innocent, to the person that said animals don't do NOTHING to be treated this way, your stupid!?! real life people get tortured like this as well :S and they aint always bad people!! a little boy in our town got bit on the neck by a dog and his voice box is completely ******, so if you think animals are all innocent little creatures think again, but fair enough, they don't deserve this kinda treatment, no-one does.

think about it though, humans can speak and dogs cannot they have to find other ways to tell you when there annoyed so.. and also sometimes its the owner who brings there dog up like that, so you cant blame the dog really at all, if the owners want there dog to be like that he shouldnt be outside, or maybe the boy done something. im not stupid at all, animals dont do anything really on purpose like humans do and its not fair because they dont have a voice to stand up for themselves like humans can.

Missamylee.x
30-05-2008, 11:38 PM
Animal cruelty is Just wrong,It just saddens everytime i see it :(
Poor Dog x

Bun
01-06-2008, 07:36 PM
i do agree that torturing animals is wrong, but i fully support animal testing :).

Misawa
09-06-2008, 03:02 PM
No, it's a publicity stunt on public space groups. The dog didn't die, and the exhibition lasted one day. The stunt is that these people change the story so that people will join the group. The dog didn't starve to death at all.

FlyingJesus
09-06-2008, 03:02 PM
lol bump

Slowpoke
09-06-2008, 03:08 PM
people put more money towards animals than human charities like cancer ect..
I personally don't care about animals as human charities are more important.

Animal cruelty will be around for years, it's not going to stop.

Although I respect your opinion, I can't help but feel as though you're really narrow minded. We (humans) are no better or more special than any other creature on this planet and I think it's about time the human race start treating all animals with respect.

Technologic
09-06-2008, 04:29 PM
Although I respect your opinion, I can't help but feel as though you're really narrow minded. We (humans) are no better or more special than any other creature on this planet and I think it's about time the human race start treating all animals with respect.
We are the dominant species, no other animal has built up a civilisation quite like ours eh?

Hence they are inferior, self-preservation mate

Virgin Mary
09-06-2008, 06:55 PM
We are the dominant species, no other animal has built up a civilisation quite like ours eh?

Hence they are inferior, self-preservation mate
yeah but animals are cute

whitebengal
09-06-2008, 07:18 PM
Animals act just like humans. They live, They breathe, They feel pain, They feel love, They give birth, They build homes Just like we do. The only difference between human and animals is they can't speak and we can which is why animals are taken advantage of.
Which makes most of the human race nothing but cowards ;)

Misawa
09-06-2008, 07:35 PM
Well, this isn't a debate over animal cruelty. This thread may as well be closed because as I said, the dog never died or was starved for blah blah days. It's just a lie.

Nain
09-06-2008, 09:25 PM
mean idiots. i hope that a dog will do the same to them one day. BURN! BURN I TELL YOU BURN!

FlyingJesus
09-06-2008, 09:40 PM
Animals act just like humans. They live, They breathe, They feel pain, They feel love, They give birth, They build homes Just like we do. The only difference between human and animals is they can't speak and we can which is why animals are taken advantage of.
Which makes most of the human race nothing but cowards ;)

Bold bits are incorrect

Loser
09-06-2008, 10:38 PM
Animals act just like humans. They live, They breathe, They feel pain, They feel love, They give birth, They build homes Just like we do. The only difference between human and animals is they can't speak and we can which is why animals are taken advantage of.
Which makes most of the human race nothing but cowards ;)

Animals don't act just like humans at all. The vast majority of animals just reproduce, eat and die.
Like you said, the only difference between humans and animals is that humans can talk and animals can't. A huge advantage which pitches us higher up on the priority list as far as I'm concerned.

I respect your view, and from such other forums, realise how strongly you feel about it, but I will not accept that animals are just like humans.

N-Dubz
09-06-2008, 11:55 PM
No, it's a publicity stunt on public space groups. The dog didn't die, and the exhibition lasted one day. The stunt is that these people change the story so that people will join the group. The dog didn't starve to death at all.

It dosnt matter if it was a publicity stunt or not.
Things like this DO happen, so its not like it dosn't. I think its terriable that this does happen to all kinds of animals, and why should they be used for testing? Why can't we be used for testing? Exactly.
They can't speak they dont have a choice, that isnt fair and never will be.

whitebengal
10-06-2008, 03:48 AM
Bold bits are incorrect

How are they incorrect? At least explain what you mean before posting

Of course animals feel pain and love and they build homes.....

If a cat purrs it is a sign of happiness and affection

The same when a dog wags its tail

When a dog yelps it is in pain....



Like I said they feel everything we do only difference is they cant speak.....and cowards take advantage of this! makes me sick tbh

Use ya head

whitebengal
10-06-2008, 04:30 AM
How are they incorrect? At least explain what you mean before posting

Of course animals feel pain and love and they build homes.....

If a cat purrs it is a sign of happiness and affection

The same when a dog wags its tail

When a dog yelps it is in pain....



Like I said they feel everything we do only difference is they cant speak.....and cowards take advantage of this! makes me sick tbh

Use ya head

SORRY CAN A MODERATOR PLEASE MERGE THIS IT WOULDN'T LET ME EDIT IT....




Surely anyone with an even modest intellect and a capacity to observe should know that animals have moods and feelings just the same as human beings do? And why shouldn't they? Why should human beings be so unique in that regard?
Although animals are very different physiological and anatomical terms ( so different as to make vivisection experiments worthless) animals show a similar range on intellectual sills and emotions to human beings.
They are not the same intellectual skills and emotions but that doesn't make them invalid. Animals do not recognise one another by name or clothing ( as we often do ) but they can recognise one another by smell, by sound and by instinctive skills which we either do not possess or have lost through not using them.


I have a book called animal rights, human wrongs by vernon coleman ( you should check it out )

Below are a few examples:


Animals were not made for human beings to use any more than women were made for male amusement or black people were made for white people. Most people comfort them selves with the false belief that animals have no feelings and therefore do not suffer. Animals are regarded as outsiders with no rights other than to serve human purposes.
They maybe (and are ) beaten, tortured, humiliated, maimed, starved, imprisoned, chased and killed for fun, boiled or skinned alive, eaten and generally abused. Humans seem to take a perverted delight in thinking of new ways to abuse the inhabitants with whom they share this planet!

Animals are sensitive and emotionally labile creatures who experience the same kind of feelings that humans experience:
Happiness, Sadness, Hope, Fear, Love, compassion and shame.

Human beings also abuse animals for fun....

In Britain People put on fancy dress and ride around chasing foxes, stags and other animals to their death. They do this primarily as entertainment but claim that they are trying to preserve the countryside but if challenged and threatened with an end to hunting they sulkily threaten to kill there horses and hounds if the fun is stopped. They don't even have the courage to admit that they are merely blood thirsty psychopaths who get a kick out of killing a defenseless creature.

Grrrrrr * rant over *

N-Dubz
10-06-2008, 07:48 AM
SORRY CAN A MODERATOR PLEASE MERGE THIS IT WOULDN'T LET ME EDIT IT....




Surely anyone with an even modest intellect and a capacity to observe should know that animals have moods and feelings just the same as human beings do? And why shouldn't they? Why should human beings be so unique in that regard?
Although animals are very different physiological and anatomical terms ( so different as to make vivisection experiments worthless) animals show a similar range on intellectual sills and emotions to human beings.
They are not the same intellectual skills and emotions but that doesn't make them invalid. Animals do not recognise one another by name or clothing ( as we often do ) but they can recognise one another by smell, by sound and by instinctive skills which we either do not possess or have lost through not using them.


I have a book called animal rights, human wrongs by vernon coleman ( you should check it out )

Below are a few examples:


Animals were not made for human beings to use any more than women were made for male amusement or black people were made for white people. Most people comfort them selves with the false belief that animals have no feelings and therefore do not suffer. Animals are regarded as outsiders with no rights other than to serve human purposes.
They maybe (and are ) beaten, tortured, humiliated, maimed, starved, imprisoned, chased and killed for fun, boiled or skinned alive, eaten and generally abused. Humans seem to take a perverted delight in thinking of new ways to abuse the inhabitants with whom they share this planet!

Animals are sensitive and emotionally labile creatures who experience the same kind of feelings that humans experience:
Happiness, Sadness, Hope, Fear, Love, compassion and shame.

Human beings also abuse animals for fun....

In Britain People put on fancy dress and ride around chasing foxes, stags and other animals to their death. They do this primarily as entertainment but claim that they are trying to preserve the countryside but if challenged and threatened with an end to hunting they sulkily threaten to kill there horses and hounds if the fun is stopped. They don't even have the courage to admit that they are merely blood thirsty psychopaths who get a kick out of killing a defenseless creature.

Grrrrrr * rant over *
i completly agree with you.
animals feel pain and love just like us, the only diffrence is they cant TALK to us so they show us in other ways, like yelping when in pain.

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