Bleeding Love.

[Alkaz]

Hey,

Ive just found out that Jesse McCartney and Ryan Tedder (From One Republic) actually wrote the song Bleeding love and Jesse McCartney's record label said it would fail so they disgarded it untill Ryan Tedder played it to Clive David who works with Simon Cowell who took the song for Leona lewis.

Jesse McCartey - Bleeding Love - 3K views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQS8HLKgt0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMQS8HLKgt0)

Leonw Lewis - Bleeding Love - 41M views.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF84pIhP5UM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF84pIhP5UM)

In my opinion I know why the label didnt want it on the album.

Joe x

[hah]

Lol, i bet he is crying at her scuess with this song

[Yoshimitsui]

oooh, is that like legal for her to have actually used the song and sold it off as hers?

[womanizer]

oooh, is that like legal for her to have actually used the song and sold it off as hers?

They get money everytime the single/album is sold.

Avril Lavigne also wrote the song "I Will Be" on Leona's album, writers get money everytime their song is sold either as a single or album

[Eamonn]

Clive Davis is an absolute genuis, how he listened to Jesse McCartney's version and thought it would be good for Leona is a miracle, because Jesse's version is so boring that I wouldn't even listen to the whole thing, but luckily he thought it would be perfect for Leona and it was :D

& 'I Will Be' wasn't intended to be on Avril's album at all, but her record label went and put it on a bonus version so really it was just like any artist having a song written for them, it wasn't like she covered it.

[womanizer]

Clive Davis is an absolute genuis, how he listened to Jesse McCartney's version and thought it would be good for Leona is a miracle, because Jesse's version is so boring that I wouldn't even listen to the whole thing, but luckily he thought it would be perfect for Leona and it was :D

& 'I Will Be' wasn't intended to be on Avril's album at all, but her record label went and put it on a bonus version so really it was just like any artist having a song written for them, it wasn't like she covered it.

Avril decided what went on her album shes not manufactured. All albums need bonus tracks, B-sides etc and I will be was one of them.

[Eamonn]

Avril decided what went on her album shes not manufactured. All albums need bonus tracks, B-sides etc and I will be was one of them.

Excuse me? I never said Avril was manufactured so I don't see where that little statement came from, all I said was that Leona didn't technically cover the song because it was given to her before Avril's record label went and put it on as a bonus track.

[womanizer]

Excuse me? I never said Avril was manufactured so I don't see where that little statement came from, all I said was that Leona didn't technically cover the song because it was given to her before Avril's record label went and put it on as a bonus track.

Avril's album came out on April 13th with the bonus track I Will Be for anyone that pre-ordered it from iTunes, Spirit was released 9 November...

[Virgin Mary]

Oh well none of them actually write the songs themselves so it's no big deal.

[womanizer]

Oh well none of them actually write the songs themselves so it's no big deal.

Who dont

[Eamonn]

Avril's album came out on April 13th with the bonus track I Will Be for anyone that pre-ordered it from iTunes, Spirit was released 9 November...

Yes because 'Spirit' was recorded between the 2nd and 9th of November, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

[womanizer]

Yes because 'Spirit' was recorded between the 2nd and 9th of November, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

Did I say that?

[Alkaz]

Jesse McCartney and Ryan Teddle obviously were offered song writer royalties to the song as its theren.

[Eamonn]

Did I say that?

Well you informally implied that Avril's version was intended as a bonus track for her album first, rather than being intended for Leona's album.

[womanizer]

Well you informally implied that Avril's version was intended as a bonus track for her album first, rather than being intended for Leona's album.

Well it was.. lol?

Avril wrote like 16 songs for the album, 12 the album and the rest were B-Sides because you need them?

[Eamonn]

Well it was.. lol?

Avril wrote like 16 songs for the album, 12 the album and the rest were B-Sides because you need them?

No it weren't LOL, it was the record label that put it on theree, Leona has said in an interview ;)

& regardless of that you should listen to the remix which features vocals from both http://youtube.com/watch?v=c8-xs_zik_o puts a nice twist on the song.

[womanizer]

No it weren't LOL, it was the record label that put it on theree, Leona has said in an interview ;)

Please direct me to it then.

[Eamonn]

Please direct me to it then.

Seriously, an interview when the album was released, in november, you can trail youtube/google for it, because I haven't got the time to as I am infact off to bed.

[womanizer]

Seriously, an interview when the album was released, in november, you can trail youtube/google for it, because I haven't got the time to as I am infact off to bed.

I bet there was ;)

[Eamonn]

I bet there was ;)

Yes I bet there was, because infact there was, I don't feel the need to make up stories to defend Leona having it on her album or why would I be just saying it about 'I Will Be', I would be naturally making up things about 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' which Leona re-recorded for her album, but infact I am not because I feel no need to lie as any artist should feel naturally priveleged to have Leona sing a song wrote by them, because the girl has talent which isn't often seen anymore, her live performances sound like the album cuts, something some artists in particular find it hard to match :) and as well as the fact Avril never even wrote the song on her own, it was written between three writers, infact has Avril ever wrote a whole song with the full writing credits, a song which made the original album cut, because I don't think so.

[Davii]

Beyond that lead single, produced by Ryan Tedder of OneRepublic, the results start to feel uneven. There are some rewardingly airtight ballads involving Ne-Yo (“I’m You”) and the Norwegian production team Stargate (“Angel”), and an upbeat anthem partly produced by Dallas Austin (“Whatever It Takes”). There’s also a powerhouse rendition of “I Will Be,” a song by Avril Lavigne and the hit-making team of Max Martin and Dr. Luke.

From NYT, shows that the song is Avril's song..?

[samsaBEAR]

does it matter who wrote it?
the song is crap, avril is past her time and leona is just ****.

[Decapitated!]

it's because leona is **** and she cant even write her own songs

[leah]

Jesse Mcartney is Soo Hot :D

[Eamonn]

it's because leona is **** and she cant even write her own songs

Please know what you're saying before you post, because Leona has fully wrote two whole albums all by herself with no co-writing like all of Avril's album, so before you say stupid things like that, do your research because then you would know Leona wrote 'Twillight' and 'The Best Kept Secret' completely from scratch before she went on the X-Factor.

[Decapitated!]

Please know what you're saying before you post, because Leona has fully wrote two whole albums all by herself with no co-writing like all of Avril's album, so before you say stupid things like that, do your research because then you would know Leona wrote 'Twillight' and 'The Best Kept Secret' completely from scratch before she went on the X-Factor.



rofl dont boo.


avril is still better anyway + leona looks like a horse kthx end of.

[Eamonn]

rofl dont boo.


avril is still better anyway + leona looks like a horse kthx end of.

Avril being better is only your opinion but imo the majority know who the better vocalist is ;)

& how does someones looks come into it? It just shows your basis of an arguement is petty and immature.

[dirrty]

avril is ****. shes fake and a sell-out. leona on the other hand has potential to be a massive success - and she has already proven this by the success of her album and singles. and she seems down to earth, and not stuck up her ***, such as avril is.

[Alkaz]

avril is ****. shes fake and a sell-out. leona on the other hand has potential to be a massive success - and she has already proven this by the success of her album and singles. and she seems down to earth, and not stuck up her ***, such as avril is.

I have to agree. WELL SAID +REP
She is down to earth btw, when I met her when she was looking around a £600k house thats the first thing I thought :P

[Eamonn]

avril is ****. shes fake and a sell-out. leona on the other hand has potential to be a massive success - and she has already proven this by the success of her album and singles. and she seems down to earth, and not stuck up her ***, such as avril is.

totally agree :) cus Leona has natural talent, how many artists can sing live songs which sound just like the studio versions, Avril obviously can't judging by the things I've heard about her tour.

& 088! you met Leona Lewis o.O?

[Alkaz]

& 088! you met Leona Lewis o.O?
Ye, about a month ago she was in dartford looking for a house and my brothers gf is an estate agent and leona lewis made an appointment and came in after viewing a house in sidcup. And before you say anything (me and my bro was at her work helping her do something in the office)

[risque]

does it matter who wrote it?
the song is crap, avril is past her time and leona is just ****.

Yeah, well if Leona is **** as you claim, then heaven knows what the Wombats and Hadouken! are because they're even worse. In fact Leona doesn't deserve to be compared with such dreadful music. You can tell that Leona is phenomenal as she's been compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey, who has Avril been compared to? Nobody as legendary. I'd compare her to scum before I compared her to anybody major.

Leona doesn't shun her fans like Avril Lavigne and when she comes around to touring, people will actually buy her tickets - there won't be disappointing sales either, like Avril's. I may as well predict that the forever praising Avril fan will put my tickets views down to being a regular visitor to Perez Hilton's site ~ but at the end of the day, it's still true.

For Leona to win a talent competition then basically go straight to stardom defeats all negative views regarding how 'crap' people think she is, and how 'talentless' for that matter. She's loved in the UK and in the US, both places people desire their talent to be recognised.

Another thing I don't understand is how people can say Jesse McCartney must be fuming that he didn't release the song as his own, (due to it's success) because Leona's vocals fit the flow and rhythm of the song, it sounds natural and not forced. Her wide range worked with the high notes and the power of the lyrics or whatever, Jesse's version just wouldn't.

I forgot where I was going with this so I'll leave it as that.

[Alkaz]

well he was interviewed and it is on youtube and he said he didnt care because the song wasnt rite for his voice thats why the record lable dropped it and the song fits leonas voice.

And btw apparently Avril is hated in canada where she is from, i dont think she is that sucessful in the us or the uk. Leona is massivley sucessful in the UK and the US and with bleeding love she went no1 in over 20 countrys world wide, I dont think avril has had that.

[Eamonn]

Ye, about a month ago she was in dartford looking for a house and my brothers gf is an estate agent and leona lewis made an appointment and came in after viewing a house in sidcup. And before you say anything (me and my bro was at her work helping her do something in the office)

No don't worry I believe you, I am just amazzzed and insanely jealous :@:P

I did hear something about her buying a house but when the seller found out it was Leona putting in an offer he upped the price £100,000 which is totally out of order imo.

[samsaBEAR]

Yeah, well if Leona is **** as you claim, then heaven knows what the Wombats and Hadouken! are because they're even worse. In fact Leona doesn't deserve to be compared with such dreadful music. You can tell that Leona is phenomenal as she's been compared to all time greats like Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey, who has Avril been compared to? Nobody as legendary. I'd compare her to scum before I compared her to anybody major.

Leona doesn't shun her fans like Avril Lavigne and when she comes around to touring, people will actually buy her tickets - there won't be disappointing sales either, like Avril's. I may as well predict that the forever praising Avril fan will put my tickets views down to being a regular visitor to Perez Hilton's site ~ but at the end of the day, it's still true.

For Leona to win a talent competition then basically go straight to stardom defeats all negative views regarding how 'crap' people think she is, and how 'talentless' for that matter. She's loved in the UK and in the US, both places people desire their talent to be recognised.

Another thing I don't understand is how people can say Jesse McCartney must be fuming that he didn't release the song as his own, (due to it's success) because Leona's vocals fit the flow and rhythm of the song, it sounds natural and not forced. Her wide range worked with the high notes and the power of the lyrics or whatever, Jesse's version just wouldn't.

I forgot where I was going with this so I'll leave it as that.
i dont want to start an argument here, but no.
leona lewis is just a singer, she will never be better than bands. hadouken! and the wombats have miles more talent than leona lewis. she's manafactured pop-crap, and doesnt deserve to be called music.
but like i said, i cba with arguments :D

[Alkaz]

Tbh, ye it is pop but look at the tens of millions more people who like her compared to avril. And no doubt as she develops as an artist she will start writing her own stuff! And I dont know how you can say she dont have more talent or w.e than avril. Her voice is 10x better even if it is manafactured pop. Look at avril's girlfriend and im sure alot more songs, thats not pop is it?

[risque]

i dont want to start an argument here, but no.
leona lewis is just a singer, she will never be better than bands. hadouken! and the wombats have miles more talent than leona lewis. she's manafactured pop-crap, and doesnt deserve to be called music.
but like i said, i cba with arguments :D

You don't need to start an argument because it's blatant that Leona excells both bands mentioned when it comes to talent and vocals. She's not manufactured pop crap, either and whoever told you her music doesn't deserve to be called music is stupid.

Leona is mainstream, loved around the world. Hadouken and The Wombats? Ha. Don't make me laugh, you can hear their music by listening to many other bands on myspace.

[Eamonn]

i dont want to start an argument here, but no.
leona lewis is just a singer, she will never be better than bands. hadouken! and the wombats have miles more talent than leona lewis. she's manafactured pop-crap, and doesnt deserve to be called music.
but like i said, i cba with arguments :D

OH P-P-leaseeeeee
MANUFACTURED LMAOOOOO
Oh mann, you can call Leona Lewis manufactured but seriously you listen to all these bands who do all this indie/nu rave or w/e and you think they aren't manufactured? Seriously the whole music industry is and it isn't even a bad thing, how many kooks, razorlights do we have, and the bands that you listen to are no expection.

& just a singer? she is an artist, she creates art with her instrument, her primary instrument being her vocals, so she is hardly just a singer, she is talented, can sing, play instruments, dance, act and appeals to alot of people as well as being inspirational to others who grow up wanting to sing because they find it passionate.

[Virgin Mary]

The voice is an instrument no different to the kinds bands use. And Leona is very well trained at using it. Being "indie" or "manufactured pop" or whatever genre isn't going to change how much musical talent someone has.

[Frodo13.]

does it matter who wrote it?
the song is crap, avril is past her time and leona is just ****.

If you think Leona is crap you have no idea what good music is. She has the best voice I have ever heard.

[Susie Dent]

If you think Leona is crap you have no idea what good music is. She has the best voice I have ever heard.

She lacks depth and emotion. She has a weak chest voice. How can you possibly say she's got the best voice you've ever heard? Haven't you heard someone like, Whitney Houston for example?

[Frodo13.]

She lacks depth and emotion. She has a weak chest voice. How can you possibly say she's got the best voice you've ever heard? Haven't you heard someone like, Whitney Houston for example?

Of course I've heard of Whitney Houston, and I think Leona is better. Artists such as Whitney, Christina and Mariah all kill songs with the stupid vocal acrabats they all do.

I also compleatly disagree with your view that 'she lacks depth and emotion'. Have you listend to her cover of 'The First Time I Ever Saw Your Face' and 'Footprints in the Sand'. So emotional imo - she sings from the heart.

[Susie Dent]

Of course I've heard of Whitney Houston, and I think Leona is better. Artists such as Whitney, Christina and Mariah all kill songs with the stupid vocal acrabats they all do.

I also compleatly disagree with your view that 'she lacks depth and emotion'. Have you listend to her cover of 'The First Time I Ever Saw Your Face' and 'Footprints in the Sand'. So emotional imo - she sings from the heart.

Leona's voice just isn't rich enough. I'd say it's unfair to compare her to Whitney, Mariah etc at this stage as they're so much further along in the industry and KNOW what they're doing. It's just when people say Leona is better despite her sounding like a 12 year old pitchy boy that it annoys me.

[risque]

Of course I've heard of Whitney Houston, and I think Leona is better. Artists such as Whitney, Christina and Mariah all kill songs with the stupid vocal acrabats they all do.

I also compleatly disagree with your view that 'she lacks depth and emotion'. Have you listend to her cover of 'The First Time I Ever Saw Your Face' and 'Footprints in the Sand'. So emotional imo - she sings from the heart.

Oh HELL no. Nobody 'disses' Whitney and Mariah then gets away with it. Leona isn't better than Mariah and Whitney, the fact that they can do these 'vocal acrobats' makes it obvious that their range is wider (well, on some levels anyway.)

I don't think Susie meant emotion in that sense, she means as a performer - you can show deep emotion with your vocals, not just with the lyrics. Whitney and Mariah are powerhouses when it comes to singing and the world recognises both of them for their trademark voices/vocals. Same goes for legendary vocalists such as Chaka Khan, Tina Turner, Celine Dion and Diana Ross to name a few.

Leona isn't better than Whitney or Mariah, sorry to burst your bubble.

[samsaBEAR]

Of course I've heard of Whitney Houston, and I think Leona is better. Artists such as Whitney, Christina and Mariah all kill songs with the stupid vocal acrabats they all do.

I also compleatly disagree with your view that 'she lacks depth and emotion'. Have you listend to her cover of 'The First Time I Ever Saw Your Face' and 'Footprints in the Sand'. So emotional imo - she sings from the heart.
agreed with christina (waits for ostinato to come :P)
i dont like the little woaaah thing she feels the need to do in all of her songs.

[risque]

^ Yeah, you settle for talking/screeching rather than singing.

[Susie Dent]

agreed with christina (waits for ostinato to come :P)
i dont like the little woaaah thing she feels the need to do in all of her songs.

Even without the riffs she has an incredibly powerful voice and a wide vocal range.

[Eamonn]

Seriously I'm not here to say Leona is better than all these greats like Mariah and Whitney but I find it shocking when someone can say she lacks depth and emotion in her voice, if you listen to her album it has warmth and emotion in all of her songs.

Leona can give a bit of the vocal acrobatics, if you listen to some her live performances but she doesn't need to do them all the time and neither does Whitney and Mariah which they don't do them all the time.

Another thing is Leona isn't right up there with Whitney and Mariah cus she has only been doing this for a few years, Mariah didn't start in the 1990s and everyone hailed her and called her the greatest singer in the world she took time and worked hard, the same for Whitney, so I 100% agree that she isn't up there with those legends yet but I do disagree when people say she will never be up there because she could be one day cus she has talent.

& Susie Dent, having a magnificant head or chest voice doesn't make you a great singer, it's technique, it's like Whitney her head voice doesn't have a massive range meaning she can't hit some of the notes Mariah/Leona can but she sure has a magnificant chest voice which blows people away which again proves it is technique more than anything.

So really what I am saying is that people need to give Leona more of a chance :X she is 23 and has only been doing this for a few years, in thirty years time we could be going "OMG have you head [insert name here], she is the new Leona/Mariah/Whitney!".

[womanizer]

From NYT, shows that the song is Avril's song..?


xx <3.

[samsaBEAR]

^ Yeah, you settle for talking/screeching rather than singing.
not all of the music i like is screeching ty, my music taste isn't that confined.


Even without the riffs she has an incredibly powerful voice and a wide vocal range.
i wasnt saying she hasnt, i think her voice is powerful. i just dont like the woah-y bits, thats all :D

[Eamonn]

xx <3.

LOL someone nyt wrote, it sounds like it came from wikipedia.

Why is the concept so hard for you to accept that 'I Will Be' was given to Leona before Avril's record label decided to put it on her bonus version?

I don't see why I would need to lie about something like that, it would be like me saying Roberta Flack wrote 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face' for Leona saying he invisioned her in the future to have this song :rolleyes: