Changes to Moderation?

[Hazza]

According to this thread the automatic moderation system should have been starting (around) the 16th april.

Any ideas when it is actually going to start?


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=469655&highlight=Moderation

[GommeInc]

I think it already has? I am seeing some members complaining about cautions now because of warnings.

[today]

Yeah i've seen alot more cautions too.

[Hazza]

They could of warned us?
aha.

[Yoshimitsui]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.

[today]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.
And it better stay that way.

[BlueMoon]

SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
LALALALAALALALALAALALALAL
SHUT UP

I think --ss-- and Minty know why I posted this. And it has started... :eusa_whis

Edited by jesus (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post pointlessly.

[Hazza]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.
It should stay like that.

[Slowpoke]

SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
LALALALAALALALALAALALALAL
SHUT UP

I think --ss-- and Minty know why I posted this. And it has started... :eusa_whis

No I don't know why? PM me! :(

And yes, it's started.

[GommeInc]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.
You should receive PMs when you get one, it's called a warning for a reason "/

[Slowpoke]

You should receive PMs when you get one, it's called a warning for a reason "/

I'm not actually sure why it was changed but what you're saying makes a lot of sense and I agree. :)

[Nereo]

I didnt know it started they should have said

[jesus]

You should receive PMs when you get one, it's called a warning for a reason "/You do now.

[today]

You do now.
Yes we know that, its been said several times..

[jesus]

Yes we know that, its been said several times..In this thread? I can't see any instance of that.

[The Professor]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.

^

Sorry jamie, you got owned this time round :P

Yeah its in place and seems to be working atm, we're getting all the usual aggro so its working like a charm :P

[today]

In this thread? I can't see any instance of that.


^

Sorry jamie, you got owned this time round :P

Yeah its in place and seems to be working atm, we're getting all the usual aggro so its working like a charm :P
Yes jamie, it does appear you are in the wrong, shame that! :rolleyes:

[GommeInc]

^

Sorry jamie, you got owned this time round :P

Yeah its in place and seems to be working atm, we're getting all the usual aggro so its working like a charm :P
You're mean to Jesus, you should be fired and banned ASAP :P

[today]

You're mean to Jesus, you should be fired and banned ASAP :P
"Negative" Attutide towards fellow Staff?

damn that rule!

[jesus]

Good job I'm big enough to admit I didn't read the whole of yoshis post. :)

I was replying to Gomme's post also, as he still seemed to think that PMs weren't being received even after yoshi stated otherwise.

I asked Elkaa about the automatic banning system earlier but I'm not allowed if I can say his reply. I don't see why it's so concerning as we already ban or caution people for infraction counts. :)

[GommeInc]

Why does Elkaa have a thing about not telling people about stuff which is supposedly secret? Habbox is a fansite, not a company and telling people things about the moderator system doesn't really change anything. Besides, most things that are 'behind the scenes' are obvious when someone either posts about them, or we see members being banned.

[today]

Hmm truee or the fact current staff blurt out "secerts" to non staff.

Muahhh.

[The Professor]

You're mean to Jesus, you should be fired and banned ASAP :P

Jesus is mean to me too :'(

Actually my geography teacher said she was Jesus today because her bday is on 25/12, hmm... :P


Hmm truee or the fact current staff blurt out "secerts" to non staff.

Muahhh.

Trust me, there are a couple of secrets that are staying that way ;) At least until MAD gets bored of keeping them :P

[today]

Jesus is mean to me too :'(

Actually my geography teacher said she was Jesus today because her bday is on 25/12, hmm... :P



Trust me, there are a couple of secrets that are staying that way ;) At least until MAD gets bored of keeping them :P
Says the one who was drunk on msn and told me da smod guide!!!1

[GommeInc]

Jesus is mean to me too :'(
It's either that or telling him off, and I don't want to face hell :(

Some secrets aren't known, but as far as people see it, the moderator system pretty much is seen by members by what you do and your actions. Other than the completely crazy decisions which end up getting reported in the feedback forum anyway.

[Antony]

Why does Elkaa have a thing about not telling people about stuff which is supposedly secret? Habbox is a fansite, not a company and telling people things about the moderator system doesn't really change anything. Besides, most things that are 'behind the scenes' are obvious when someone either posts about them, or we see members being banned.

Yeah, he's 'secretive' he wouldn't even tell me why I failed my MOD trial! He blocked me on MSN when I asked.. :rolleyes:

Good Management skills he has...

[today]

Considering we are bring Elkaa up, when mods had to remove their emails from profiles i wanted a password reset asked via msn, he ignored me and then when he did speak he didnt help me anymore then a brick wall.

WOOO, i still love him though.

[Catzsy]

You should receive PMs when you get one, it's called a warning for a reason "/

I really do agree with you here Gomme. I am not sure if it is still the intention to dispense with them or not in the forseeable future. As you say how can it be a warning if you don't know about it? Not sure what the logic is here.

Maybe to cut number of complaining pms in return but that will always happen with a selected few - that's part of a mods life really and you get used to it. Before the automatic system we sent pms so members have always been informed. If it is going to be introduced at sometime in the future people are going to check their user CP and have a shock or worst if they don't check at all could end up cautioned with no opportunity of changing their behaviour.

That is just my personal opinion though.

[---MAD---]

PMs will be issued along side a warning and will stay like that :).

[Elkaa]

Why does Elkaa have a thing about not telling people about stuff which is supposedly secret? Habbox is a fansite, not a company and telling people things about the moderator system doesn't really change anything. Besides, most things that are 'behind the scenes' are obvious when someone either posts about them, or we see members being banned.

It was pure speculation that the autobans had already come inplace, when they had not.

They are, however, now inplace and the automatic banning of accounts will begin at 4pm.

5 Points - 7 day ban
10 Points - Perm ban

[jesus]

This will be fun. :D

[The Professor]

It's either that or telling him off, and I don't want to face hell :(

Some secrets aren't known, but as far as people see it, the moderator system pretty much is seen by members by what you do and your actions. Other than the completely crazy decisions which end up getting reported in the feedback forum anyway.

To be honest, the moderator system is just the forum rules, there isn't a lot more than that except some behind the scenes red-tape which doesn't have a visible effect on the forum. If you don't break them, you're likely to have few encounters with it, and the encounters you do have will be stories of mods making mistakes or people moaning because they have infractions, it gives a pretty warped view tbh.

I doubt I could find much in the mod guide that I'd get fired for telling you, what you see is pretty much what you get.


It was pure speculation that the autobans had already come inplace, when they had not.

They are, however, now inplace and the automatic banning of accounts will begin at 4pm.

I only thought it was because I saw someone get a warning then 10 seconds later they were cautioned, but I suppose thats just quick work on the smod's side :P

[jesus]

There's no need to break any forum rules in the first place so you shouldn't be so worried. :)

[e5]

It is allready in place you just don't really notice unless you are part of the team who is issueing the bans and giving infractions.

However there is a problem with the warnings, you will still recieve a PM if you are issued with one for now.
I got the infraction message on 'e5safetyban' yesterday.

[risque]

I scanned through everything so I don't know if this has already been explained, but is this rule still in position when it comes to 'already existing' infractions? Do you have to have 5 active infractions to gain a ban, or when you've HAD 5 infractions?

[GommeInc]

There's no need to break any forum rules in the first place so you shouldn't be so worried. :)
It's just when you fall for rule traps, where you say something harmless but a moderator who takes something small, acts petty, then warns a member about something so small and trivial, where warnings and rules are an issue.

[Ostinato]

It's just when you fall for rule traps, where you say something harmless but a moderator who takes something small, acts petty, then warns a member about something so small and trivial, where warnings and rules are an issue.

Exactly. This system could be easily abused.

[GommeInc]

I also want to know if people will receive an email when they have received a ban or caution with an included message stating why, or is this a case of the unforgettable "let's not communicate with members and pretend we're bigger than them" which seems to be quite a big problem at the moment. Whoever is in charge of certain areas in Management forget they're part of a social site and completely ignore most issues on their social site, completely breaking down the whole point of a Habbo fansite and of course, forum.

[jesus]

It's just when you fall for rule traps, where you say something harmless but a moderator who takes something small, acts petty, then warns a member about something so small and trivial, where warnings and rules are an issue.Moderators would be no longer if they were like that.


Exactly. This system could be easily abused.It could before.

[GommeInc]

Moderators would be no longer if they were like that.
So how comes that hasn't been solved? Drum it into moderators and other super moderators that they need to look at a situation, not a post. They don't have to act immediately and remove a post and warn/infract ASAP. What I don't understand is why you can't let members moderate their behaviour... If someone calls someone a berk, ask the person it was aimed at if they took offense. If they didn't, leave it, or add a very small message somewhere to keep on topic, which isn't necessary either. At least communication between members and moderators will gradually build up, rather than ignore members and take the social low road...


It could before.
Now it's automated, and can be abused more ;) What happens if a member has an 'unfair warning?' Because I can see people getting ignored, yet again for their actions even when they ask politely...

[---MAD---]

So how comes that hasn't been solved? Drum it into moderators and other super moderators that they need to look at a situation, not a post. They don't have to act immediately and remove a post and warn/infract ASAP. What I don't understand is why you can't let members moderate their behaviour... If someone calls someone a berk, ask the person it was aimed at if they took offense. If they didn't, leave it, or add a very small message somewhere to keep on topic, which isn't necessary either. At least communication between members and moderators will gradually build up, rather than ignore members and take the social low road...


Now it's automated, and can be abused more ;) What happens if a member has an 'unfair warning?' Because I can see people getting ignored, yet again for their actions even when they ask politely...
Warnings will not lead to an auto caution. Also, the system was only just put into place.

[GommeInc]

Warnings will not lead to an auto caution. Also, the system was only just put into place.
So the system has been changed since last discussed? It was something along the lines of 5 warnings = caution when I last knew at least :P

[benjamin]

oh i got 6 infractions and im still ere

BRAP

*waits for my ban now* gutted lol

orrrrr i might still be here because i was cautioned and stuff while it was implace.

[---MAD---]

So the system has been changed since last discussed? It was something along the lines of 5 warnings = caution when I last knew at least :P
Yes you will be cautioned for 5 warnings but by an smod not automatically. It isn't possible to have an auto ban with warnings.

[The Professor]

I scanned through everything so I don't know if this has already been explained, but is this rule still in position when it comes to 'already existing' infractions? Do you have to have 5 active infractions to gain a ban, or when you've HAD 5 infractions?

They have to be active :)

If you have an infraction count, it'll look like x/x (x). The number in brackets is the amount of infraction points you have, which is one for every active infraction except bullying, which is 2 points. If it says 5 (or more) you get a ban :)

[today]

Ah so warnings have been changed already.

Only infraction counts. cautions are nothing imo.

[The Professor]

Ah so warnings have been changed already.

Only infraction counts. cautions are nothing imo.

Cautions are bad enough to make people complain about them, and if they complain about them they won't want to get them :P

That's the theory anyway

[today]

Cautions are bad enough to make people complain about them, and if they complain about them they won't want to get them :P

That's the theory anyway
Doesnt bother me tbh BRING IT ON BRUV.

Not that i have 5 warnings x]

[Catzsy]

With every new system there is bound to be teething problems I think and
as long members highlight this and and as long as any complaints/queries are politely and quickly dealt with then whilst not everybody will ever be happy with it the system should be seen to work. My reservations are that one size does not fit all and minds should be open to consider that it cannot be expected to replace human judgements and should be seen as a aid to the moderation department rather than the be all and end all of the duty itself. I am sure that this has been thought of anyway and safeguards in place. e.g. it is of the utmost importance now that checking infractions is given the utmost priority and so if a ban is automated one can be sure that 99.9% of the time it is justified.

[---MAD---]

I scanned through everything so I don't know if this has already been explained, but is this rule still in position when it comes to 'already existing' infractions? Do you have to have 5 active infractions to gain a ban, or when you've HAD 5 infractions?
The infractions have to be active. There would be no point in expiring infractions if they still got you banned ;).