[HxHD] Why isnt manager allowed to own room?

[Galaxay]

I have a question - Why isnt the manager allowed to own the room for his own department?

I've been told several reasons why;

Not trusted - This is basically saying "here have a manager job, but we don't trust you to be the room owner, so we'll keep it."

Manager leaving - Why would the manager leave if they've accepted/just been given the job? :S


It's a complete state without the manager owning it. The proper staff don't have rights, even just now the manager doesnt have rights?. The layout is plane and hasnt been changed in, well ages? (with the exception of the HC's being rotated and moved about 1 square)

Whenever the password is leaked or something the tele has to get moved to the other side of the room and nothing done about it as the staff cant do nothing but move the tele / hope no-one comes in.

They cant make full use of the ban feature, resulting in people continually coming in and spamming the room then after being kicked rejoining, which cause staff to constantly be annoyed as they're constantly having to kick people and its causing general annoyance to everyone in the room as they're spamming trying to act somewhat cool.

Even if it is "restricted to AGMs/GMs or whatever, why doesn't immenseman own it? He's both AGM and HxHD-TL / SS... It would make more sense to me than someone who can only come on at a time when no-one else is on

Didn't know where this should go - Here or complaints, and figured people might want to reply for whatever reason.

[today]

Its been like that since well, DJ i think? Who else owned it i cant remember haha...

Then it went to Nvr (didnt someone else own it before that?)

It is indeed stupid.

[Galaxay]

8freak8 owned it for a while.

[today]

Ahh yeah, but since he owned it the whole room owner/manager got messed up.

[You]

I have a question - Why isnt the manager allowed to own the room for his own department?

I've been told several reasons why;

Not trusted - This is basically saying "here have a manager job, but we don't trust you to be the room owner, so we'll keep it."

Manager leaving - Why would the manager leave if they've accepted/just been given the job? :S


It's a complete state without the manager owning it. The proper staff don't have rights, even just now the manager doesnt have rights?. The layout is plane and hasnt been changed in, well ages? (with the exception of the HC's being rotated and moved about 1 square)

Whenever the password is leaked or something the tele has to get moved to the other side of the room and nothing done about it as the staff cant do nothing but move the tele / hope no-one comes in.

They cant make full use of the ban feature, resulting in people continually coming in and spamming the room then after being kicked rejoining, which cause staff to constantly be annoyed as they're constantly having to kick people and its causing general annoyance to everyone in the room as they're spamming trying to act somewhat cool.

Even if it is "restricted to AGMs/GMs or whatever, why doesn't immenseman own it? He's both AGM and HxHD-TL / SS... It would make more sense to me than someone who can only come on at a time when no-one else is on

Didn't know where this should go - Here or complaints, and figured people might want to reply for whatever reason.
I agree.

[Titch]

i have to agree, i think having manager own it would help it ALOT! and help sort the reputation of it out abit to.

easier to sort out staff issues then ect.

[Finkelstien]

It wouldn't make sense as a new room would have to be designed everytime a manager resigns or get's fired. That process is also time consuming.

Apart from that the current or future manager may not have the necessary resources to build a extravagant room. So the best bet really is having someone who is a branded name here at Habbox own the room. Such as a Assistant or General Manager.

[Galaxay]

It's like saying an AGM must own the Productions rooms, or the Rare values desk (even though jake owns that ^^ he owned it before he got agm)

[today]

It wouldn't make sense as a new room would have to be designed everytime a manager resigns or get's fired.

Apart from that the current or future manager may not have the necessary resources to build a extravagant room. So the best bet really is having someone who is a branded name here at Habbox own the room. Such as a Assistant or General Manager.
That was said, why cant a UK /GMT AGM own it..

[Galaxay]

It wouldn't make sense as a new room would have to be designed everytime a manager resigns or get's fired. That process is also time consuming.

Apart from that the current or future manager may not have the necessary resources to build a extravagant room. So the best bet really is having someone who is a branded name here at Habbox own the room. Such as a Assistant or General Manager.

Hence at the end i said jake owning it, and if a manager gets given a position their supposed to be responsible/reliable not to quit within a month/week or whatever, if they plan on quitting within a month or management feel their not doing well then they shouldnt be given the position to start with.


If the manager doesn't have the resources, i can understand that, but as i said about jake owning it, he can afford it and has the resources to do so.

[The Professor]

This is actually a very good point. I don't see how the "not trusted" argument can be argued, the competitions manager holds all prizes himself, which atm is circa 2T I believe. I suppose the main argument will be the having to re-design the room when a manager resigns, but that happens so infrequently I can't really see that being argued effectively either.

It'll be interesting to hear official word on it.

[Alkaz]

I have a question - Why isnt the manager allowed to own the room for his own department?

I've been told several reasons why;

Not trusted - This is basically saying "here have a manager job, but we don't trust you to be the room owner, so we'll keep it." - Its not a thing about trust, but a department manager is probally going to leave before an assistant/general manager so it makes more sense for one of them to own it rather than me/the manager.

Manager leaving - Why would the manager leave if they've accepted/just been given the job? :S - Managers do leave which can be unexpected and not all of the time they leave, they are fired. Some managers will last a long time before they leave but some will only be around for a small amount of time which means constant room changes. And less people visiting the desk because of owner confussion.

It's a complete state without the manager owning it. The proper staff don't have rights, even just now the manager doesnt have rights?. The layout is plane and hasnt been changed in, well ages? (with the exception of the HC's being rotated and moved about 1 square) - Well for this, we are trying to get more staff into the desk which means more superstaff with rites. But it takes a while to build a team up and then to get promotions going. Also, about me not having rites, the reason for this is because I am going through an account / name change and for various reasons I shouldnt have rites on the account I am using untill tomorrow when nvrspk does the name change.

Whenever the password is leaked or something the tele has to get moved to the other side of the room and nothing done about it as the staff cant do nothing but move the tele / hope no-one comes in. - Now the manager will own the teleporters so if a password is leaked it can easily be changed and that situation can be resolved easily. And also about the teleporter, there is a new script program which means some people who use it can get access to the teleporter to get into the staff area which we dont want so it is in the normal area so the script users cant get in the staff area and no one else can get in it.

They cant make full use of the ban feature, resulting in people continually coming in and spamming the room then after being kicked rejoining, which cause staff to constantly be annoyed as they're constantly having to kick people and its causing general annoyance to everyone in the room as they're spamming trying to act somewhat cool. - Yes people do have to be kicked if they are banned but even if the manager was to own the room they would only be able to ban the user for 15mins which isnt really useful and normally when people keep trying to get in, after a few kicks generally they give up.

Even if it is "restricted to AGMs/GMs or whatever, why doesn't immenseman own it? He's both AGM and HxHD-TL / SS... It would make more sense to me than someone who can only come on at a time when no-one else is on. - This is a possibility but it would definately have to be discussed with general managment.

Didn't know where this should go - Here or complaints, and figured people might want to reply for whatever reason.

Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me. ;)

[GommeInc]

I don't get this either. A help desk of all places needs the manager to own the room, incase of issues with rights and the ban system too.

Saying a manager isn't trusted is stupid and quite rude really, and if they decide to not want to run the help desk anymore, who cares? Get another manager and get them to own the room.

[Finkelstien]

Hence at the end i said jake owning it, and if a manager gets given a position their supposed to be responsible/reliable not to quit within a month/week or whatever, if they plan on quitting within a month or management feel their not doing well then they shouldnt be given the position to start with.

If the manager doesn't have the resources, i can understand that, but as i said about jake owning it, he can afford it and has the resources to do so.

That is very true but at the same time unexpected situations can occur and not everyone may be as dedicated as Jake. Even if they don't resign within a month/week but choose to leave the department months on, this creates instability for Habbox users, something a fansite should avoid. Once again, at that time a new room will need to be created. So whether it's a week, a month or even a year after a manager gets appointed and decides to leave a new room will still need to be created each and every time.

As for your last comment, that's Jake not other current managers or even future managers for that matter. So I don't see how a comparison can be made between the two.

I do agree that a solution could be having a UK AGM or GM owning and maintaining the Help Desk.

[Mr.Sam]

as it's a help desk based on the uk hotel I think someone who is in the gmt time zone should own it, so then at least they can/will be online when the staff are so that they can give out rights easily etc.

nvr comes online at about 10pm gmt when the desk will be quiet.

[Callum.]

Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

[The Professor]

Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.

[GommeInc]

Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.
Well for the current help desk design it means little effort would have to go into it. The only tricky bit would be making the roses sit in the majestic chairs, but that's not exactly a challenge :P

It's a choice between a UK AGM owning the room, or giving a Manager the tools to design a room (unless they already have alot of furniture).

[Callum.]

Well, like I say the comps manager holds the donations, so the Help Desk manager could be given the furniture to make it. It'd make redesigning a pain though.

But the managers who get fired, will most likely take it. I've seen a couple of staffs who go with a fuss and then come back on accounts to spam etc. If habbox can afford to hand out a decent help desk everytime a new manager is in power then so be it, but theres been quite a few recently, with somones departure, then NintendoNews, and the current of which I'm not sure. Seems like managers come and go to frequently.

[Galaxay]

Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me. ;)

You cant move yourself with a script... Yes you can open doors etc "tele nuke" but you cant move yourself, its obvious people are leaking password if people are obtaining access to staff area.

If managers can own the staff entrances, surely they can own the main room itself?!

If your claim is "When people get kicked they dont come back" Then you clearly arent in the desk alot are you? if someones kicked the majority of the time they'll return about 50 times and spam.


I don't get this either. A help desk of all places needs the manager to own the room, incase of issues with rights and the ban system too.

Saying a manager isn't trusted is stupid and quite rude really, and if they decide to not want to run the help desk anymore, who cares? Get another manager and get them to own the room.

Precisely my point, if they can trust them to be managers their trusted to own the room.. Managers need to be the room owner.


That is very true but at the same time unexpected situations can occur and not everyone may be as dedicated as Jake. Even if they don't resign within a month/week but choose to leave the department months on, this creates instability for Habbox users, something a fansite should avoid. Once again, at that time a new room will need to be created. So whether it's a week, a month or even a year after a manager gets appointed and decides to leave a new room will still need to be created each and every time.

As for your last comment, that's Jake not other current managers or even future managers for that matter. So I don't see how a comparison can be made between the two.

I do agree that a solution could be having a UK AGM or GM owning and maintaining the Help Desk.

Managers dont usually quit/resign after a month, usually a great bit on, if they do plan on resigning or management beleive they'll be fired they shouldnt be hired to start with..


as it's a help desk based on the uk hotel I think someone who is in the gmt time zone should own it, so then at least they can/will be online when the staff are so that they can give out rights easily etc.

nvr comes online at about 10pm gmt when the desk will be quiet.

Nvr comes on at 3-7am usually


Means a manager will need furni to make it half decent. You can manage well without being rich.

A help desk doesnt have to be worth 5t or anythign rich, its for helping people, not a fashion show.

[Galaxay]

But the managers who get fired, will most likely take it. I've seen a couple of staffs who go with a fuss and then come back on accounts to spam etc. If habbox can afford to hand out a decent help desk everytime a new manager is in power then so be it, but theres been quite a few recently, with somones departure, then NintendoNews, and the current of which I'm not sure. Seems like managers come and go to frequently.

NintendoNews and Immenseman were joint managers, then Immenseman left to spend his time in the RV Manager, so NintendoNews got left to the department on his own with the asst manager 088! Then nintendonews was fired and 088! given the job.

[GommeInc]

Precisely my point, if they can trust them to be managers their trusted to own the room.. Managers need to be the room owner.
Indeed, because a manager needs to know what's going on around their department, including the tools in which they use. In this case, the HxHD room. A news manager can go rogue and delete all articles, like a help desk owner can close up the room making it inaccessible.

[The Professor]

Precisely my point, if they can trust them to be managers their trusted to own the room.. Managers need to be the room owner.

A manager actually has very few powers, most or their job is decision making (which kinda makes sense :P). As a bunch, we aren't really trusted much more than normal staff. I can see why, in some cases it doesn't take too long and cause havoc once you reach manager. But it makes some things, like this, a bit awkward.

Edit @ Gomme: We only have powers of editing/deletion because it can be easily reversed :)

[---MAD---]

This is actually a very good point. I don't see how the "not trusted" argument can be argued, the competitions manager holds all prizes himself, which atm is circa 2T I believe. I suppose the main argument will be the having to re-design the room when a manager resigns, but that happens so infrequently I can't really see that being argued effectively either.

It'll be interesting to hear official word on it.

This is actually a very good point. I don't see how the "not trusted" argument can be argued, the competitions manager holds all prizes himself, which atm is circa 2T I believe. I suppose the main argument will be the having to re-design the room when a manager resigns, but that happens so infrequently I can't really see that being argued effectively either.

It'll be interesting to hear official word on it.
The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Also, in regards to a manager going "rogue" deleting articles/news for example, this can be very easily reversed with a backup whilst it's much more work to find a new room owner, set the room up, let everyone know about the new room, give the staff rights in the new room, give out the new room name/pass to the staff entrances etc.

[Galaxay]

The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Could you please make it so Test:tube:baby or any Productions staff dont own the Productions/Talkshow rooms

The competition owner doesnt hold furniture or own the rooms and the radio staff must host their shows in the one individual room owned by a member of higher management?

and as i said jake owning it, hes AGM as far as im aware, so that should be fine?

[Callum.]

Could you please make it so Test:tube:baby or any Productions staff dont own the Productions/Talkshow rooms

The competition owner doesnt hold furniture or own the rooms and the radio staff must host their shows in the one individual room owned by a member of higher management?

and as i said jake owning it, hes AGM as far as im aware, so that should be fine?

That sort of seemed like a sarcastic / trying to be smart post. The help desk is a long time part of habbox, and the new productions is on a test run I think, so it's not as big and as official as HxHD. Test:tube should be able to make rooms, as they're only for shows etc, not for long time use.

[Nain]

You cant move yourself with a script... Yes you can open doors etc "tele nuke" but you cant move yourself, its obvious people are leaking password if people are obtaining access to staff area.


You can move yourself with a script, i know someone (No names) who uses the program and they told me that its arrows and you can move one space with it so you can move yourself into the black space and into the teles as long as your standing next to the tele... if you know what i mean.. if not

basically, you press buttons and it moves you, you need to be standing next to the teleporter to get into it though.

and i really cannot decide weather to like the idea or not lolz.
This is because, nvr is never (LMAO!) on unless its 5am which is pretty useless as noones on then (accept maybe people from another country). so as its a UK helpdesk someone with UK times should own it so they can use the ban & kick feature.

but the problem is, the room DOES need to look rich, which means poor managers cannot make the room unless offered furni by habbox.
But if its like 3T worth of furni or something, and the manager doesnt really want to work for habbox, he just wants the furni (But obviously acts like he does want the job as its an e-world) then he'll probably just rob the furni put it on a clone, say that he got hacked, then, habbox may offer him more furni etc.

if they dont offer him more furni then he'll already have 3T worth of habbox riches.

and also, NOT ALL managers can be trusted.. no offence :), there is also another pain with managers that leave, a new manager has to be chosen, then a new room has to be made, which means what? well, no help desk for urm.. lets say 4 days or something, then theres no helping for 4 days. Newbies nightmare!

... help me

good idea though.. i do kinda agree with you there :)

and also not all of the owners of rooms can be trusted either :) although im sure everyone would like to be apart of habbox's greatness, apart from that news reporter a few years ago..

[---MAD---]

Could you please make it so Test:tube:baby or any Productions staff dont own the Productions/Talkshow rooms

The competition owner doesnt hold furniture or own the rooms and the radio staff must host their shows in the one individual room owned by a member of higher management?

and as i said jake owning it, hes AGM as far as im aware, so that should be fine?
Those scenarios are completely different. The rooms for shows/radio events are used once and thats it. HxHD is open every day, every hour. The shows/radio events are open at a set time when the show/event is on.

It's a bit like letting the radio manager own the domain to the radio and us having to let people know we have a new radio manager and what the new domain is, people would get confused and lost. The old radio manager could redirect it to another site he/she want to start up and therefore be using our advertisement to redirect to our competition.

Also in regards to the post above, all managers are trusted (I love them all). We wouldn't give manager powers to someone we don't trust obviously ;).

[GommeInc]

The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Also, in regards to a manager going "rogue" deleting articles/news for example, this can be very easily reversed with a backup whilst it's much more work to find a new room owner, set the room up, let everyone know about the new room, give the staff rights in the new room, give out the new room name/pass to the staff entrances etc.
Surely that's just being lazy? If you find a Manager or AGM (effectively the same thing), you tell them to design a room and ask him to message staff about rights etc and the transition is pretty much over, of manager powers. And because nvrspk4 owns the room currently, ask him to rename the room so it informs people of where the help desk is now, and who it is owned by. Don't people search the room name, rather than the room owner anyway? If you change the current room name to something random, and give it a description explaining where the help desk is and if people haven't quite grasped where the new room and who it is owned by, then they're thick.

[Titch]

The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Also, in regards to a manager going "rogue" deleting articles/news for example, this can be very easily reversed with a backup whilst it's much more work to find a new room owner, set the room up, let everyone know about the new room, give the staff rights in the new room, give out the new room name/pass to the staff entrances etc.

Habbox is running for UK offical status, but we have a help-desk owned by sum-one who in in the US and comes online at completly diffrent times, yes a GM has to own it then why not jake and to be honest it would get more used, becuase ALOT more people know jake around UK hotel and visit his rooms more. He also is on habbo everyday helping hte fact staff/Manager interacting with habbos.

[Galaxay]

That sort of seemed like a sarcastic / trying to be smart post. The help desk is a long time part of habbox, and the new productions is on a test run I think, so it's not as big and as official as HxHD. Test:tube should be able to make rooms, as they're only for shows etc, not for long time use.

How long have you been part of habbox? Habbox Productions has been around for ages.


You can move yourself with a script, i know someone (No names) who uses the program and they told me that its arrows and you can move one space with it so you can move yourself into the black space and into the teles as long as your standing next to the tele... if you know what i mean.. if not

basically, you press buttons and it moves you, you need to be standing next to the teleporter to get into it though.

and i really cannot decide weather to like the idea or not lolz.
This is because, nvr is never (LMAO!) on unless its 5am which is pretty useless as noones on then (accept maybe people from another country). so as its a UK helpdesk someone with UK times should own it so they can use the ban & kick feature.

but the problem is, the room DOES need to look rich, which means poor managers cannot make the room unless offered furni by habbox.
But if its like 3T worth of furni or something, and the manager doesnt really want to work for habbox, he just wants the furni (But obviously acts like he does want the job as its an e-world) then he'll probably just rob the furni put it on a clone, say that he got hacked, then, habbox may offer him more furni etc.

if they dont offer him more furni then he'll already have 3T worth of habbox riches.

and also, NOT ALL managers can be trusted.. no offence :), there is also another pain with managers that leave, a new manager has to be chosen, then a new room has to be made, which means what? well, no help desk for urm.. lets say 4 days or something, then theres no helping for 4 days. Newbies nightmare!

... help me

good idea though.. i do kinda agree with you there :)

and also not all of the owners of rooms can be trusted either :) although im sure everyone would like to be apart of habbox's greatness, apart from that news reporter a few years ago..

Too long to read, i read first few lines and unless you prove it i dont beleive it. :)


Those scenarios are completely different. The rooms for shows/radio events are used once and thats it. HxHD is open every day, every hour. The shows/radio events are open at a set time when the show/event is on.

It's a bit like letting the radio manager own the domain to the radio and us having to let people know we have a new radio manager and what the new domain is, people would get confused and lost. The old radio manager could redirect it to another site he/she want to start up and therefore be using our advertisement to redirect to our competition.

Show rooms are always used, not once then gone.

Owning a domain is a bit different to owning a virtual room on a virtual hotel :rolleyes: You can't redirect a virtual room to clubhabbo website or whatever. :rolleyes:

[Nain]

ah wait, if your going to fire a manager, then before he's fired, you could get the replacement to make the room then fire the manager, let everyone using it know over the forum + habbox + Habboxlive + uploadpicz.. everythings fixed, also make it so that a manager cant leave without 24 hours notice :) enough time to make a room eh?

[Hazza]

The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Also, in regards to a manager going "rogue" deleting articles/news for example, this can be very easily reversed with a backup whilst it's much more work to find a new room owner, set the room up, let everyone know about the new room, give the staff rights in the new room, give out the new room name/pass to the staff entrances etc.

Bold bit made me laugh. You can't even say HHGS, oh sorry I mean Habbox Competitor? Its abit stupid don't you agree?

As for this topic, I don't see why it really matters... A Help desk is a help desk - No matter who it is owned by. It all works the same way?

[Callum.]

How long have you been part of habbox? Habbox Productions has been around for ages.

Since early 2005. Productions / HxTV got taken away for quite a while I recall, when the popularity died down.

[Nain]

Galaxay, im not going to break the, habbo rules and use the program, however, i shall go on the website now and see if i can find a screenie for the program showing the tool.

[Titch]

Since early 2005. Productions / HxTV got taken away for quite a while I recall, when the popularity died down.

Productions have been back over 1 year nd half, being run by sammeth, then pricetags, then me, now testy :P

[OneLastTry-DAN]

The whole trust thing was never a reason. The reason is because when a manager gets fired or resigns, theres a problem with letting people know who the new owner is. People might still visit the old room etc.

For example when undertaker owned the rare values room, it got popular and then when he got dismissed, he renamed the room to something else (a competitor to Habbox services) using our publicity. People got confused etc.

With HxHD its even more complicated. If a new manager had to be put into place, rights etc have to be given out by the new manager in the new room. Its far better to let someone own it who we know will be here for at least a year (an (A)GM). Resources is another big factor that comes into play and also time making all these changes every time.

There are pros and cons for each. We feel, at least at the moment, the cons are far greater. Maybe later on the pros will be stronger with new features Habbo introduces room control wise.

Also, in regards to a manager going "rogue" deleting articles/news for example, this can be very easily reversed with a backup whilst it's much more work to find a new room owner, set the room up, let everyone know about the new room, give the staff rights in the new room, give out the new room name/pass to the staff entrances etc.

I don't really think you can blame me, my circumstances were strange, infact unique over what happend with one side against me and one side for me. I think if you have a manager who is really 'up for it' then perhaps they should be given the choice of whether or not to own the room. :8 Also in reply to the people saying the room has to be rich to be popular, well infact that is wrong. Many of my Offical Habbox Rare Values Room designs were cheap but the majority said they looked good, being rich isn't everything. :)

[Callum.]

Productions have been back over 1 year nd half, being run by sammeth, then pricetags, then me, now testy :P

Oh lol, must have missed something. What has come back recently, hmm.

[Galaxay]

MAD doesnt need to go about searching every fansite to see what dan changed his room name to, nor do i think that MAD care's who he changed it too.

It matters as staff have to wait ages for right, people continually annoy as they can only kick, the tele gets moved constantly and various other things. If you don't come to the desk no real point posting as its going to be completely useless.

[Hazza]

MAD doesnt need to go about searching every fansite to see what dan changed his room name to, nor do i think that MAD care's who he changed it too.

It matters as staff have to wait ages for right, people continually annoy as they can only kick, the tele gets moved constantly and various other things. If you don't come to the desk no real point posting as its going to be completely useless.
Its not hard. No big research isit? Who does undertaker do rare values for now? Who has undertaker done rare values for ever since he was 'dismissed'? The only other possibility is ClubHabbo which I doubt it was then. Plus, MAD knows for well it was HHGS.

[GommeInc]

I don't see why MAD can't do the obvious thing. Currently HxHD has issues with the room owner being hard to get a hold of. Surely having someone who can make the transition of power quick and be around when needed (most of the time) has more pros and benefits than issues?

[OneLastTry-DAN]

I think the fact I changed my room name to HHGS.net is irrelevent, I was sat there explaining what was happening to people that night. I think it was rather clear what was going on as we had the whole department being stalked and being asked whats' going on, there was no mix up at all. The HxHD manager should be incharge of who is the room owner, it could even be a close friend maybe? :)

[Alkaz]

ah wait, if your going to fire a manager, then before he's fired, you could get the replacement to make the room then fire the manager, let everyone using it know over the forum + habbox + Habboxlive + uploadpicz.. everythings fixed, also make it so that a manager cant leave without 24 hours notice :) enough time to make a room eh?

Normally when a manager is going to be fired they wont be told untill permissions etc are all removed. Then it will take alot of time to get everything set up on the sites which people probally wont pay attention to and alot of people who use the desk dont actually use habbox.

[Nain]

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[Galaxay]

Proves nothing, for all i know he has rights in that room?

[Nain]

how would you like me to prove it then?
without breaking the habbo or habbox way (The rules tbh)

......... unless of course you download it, i think you know the site.

but now im encouraging others to break the law or w/e :S

so please dont go on the site and download it :)


and also, he's in the black and also inside a door...

[--ss--]

Well since Dj-3000 left the replacement was Spectate who then resigned from Habbox a month or two then the position got handed over to Eckuii who did a great job in managing it and updating the help desk but I can't exactly remember what happened after that, I believe while a manager was being recruited 8Freak8 owned the room and well it was easiser just to leave it like that when Krypsis was given the job, Since then the desk has had several managers and to be quite honest with you it would be a great hastle to keep changing rooms and if the owner keeps changing with every manager most users will just get lost and won't be able to find the room so I think that why it was decided Nvrspk4 would own the room.
This may have it downsides but unless the manager is definitely going to stay as manager for the next 2/3 years I doubt they are going to be offering the actual rooms to the managers and make it so the (A)GM's own it.

[Nain]

(Sorry for the image, didnt notice it had the site in the image)
but couldnt you make it so that Jake owns it
isnt he a AGM and yea :)

[Catzsy]

I can see both sides of this. It must be a pain for the owner to keep giving rites and changing the password of the staff entrance. For continuity reasons I think it best that it is not the manager that owns the actual room
but my suggestion would be that they own the staff entrance so only a few people have to have rites given by the owner but the manager would be able to control entry and change the pass when needed as a helpdesk does then to have a high turnover of staff. Then if the manager changes there is no break in service and the new one just makes the staff entrance. Might lose a few teleporters though.:P

[Galaxay]

Hence my saying of the AGM owning it (who is GMT and not american, so he can be on when need be.)

[nvrspk4]

To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change ;) That's why you do your homework before making accusations ;)

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again ;) When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.



So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to ;)

[GommeInc]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months? They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?

[Dan2nd]

I think Jake owning it could work if the manager had to own it and I was to become manager it'd be the crappyist help desk known to Habbo!

[HotelUser]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months? They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?


having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.


Hence my saying of the AGM owning it (who is GMT and not american, so he can be on when need be.)

It is to my understanding that Immenseman (Jake) has no desire to own the HxHD.


I don't really think you can blame me, my circumstances were strange, infact unique over what happend with one side against me and one side for me. I think if you have a manager who is really 'up for it' then perhaps they should be given the choice of whether or not to own the room. :8 Also in reply to the people saying the room has to be rich to be popular, well infact that is wrong. Many of my Offical Habbox Rare Values Room designs were cheap but the majority said they looked good, being rich isn't everything. :)


No, being rich isn't everything. However if you have next to no items and had to build the HxHD, you may be in for trouble.




I think the fact I changed my room name to HHGS.net is irrelevent, I was sat there explaining what was happening to people that night. I think it was rather clear what was going on as we had the whole department being stalked and being asked whats' going on, there was no mix up at all. The HxHD manager should be incharge of who is the room owner, it could even be a close friend maybe? :)

I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.

[Galaxay]

To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

What popularity is that? :S Read answer to David/HotelUsers quote below.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change ;) That's why you do your homework before making accusations ;)

If you knew english you'd read i'm saying about problems IN THE HELP DESK. As people are accessing HxHD, and even scripting as per the last few pages discussion, resulting in the teleporter being moved for the last 3 days so no staff can access staff area without an SS/TL member being present.

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again ;) When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.

Lmao, from what i've heard people sit on rollers all night waiting on you coming for rights (i.e. ZL2/Marc sat on the roller all night waiting for you to come and give rights, then the PM you sent last time (after reset of rights) saying you'd be in the desk from 9PM on that night and guess who never turned up :rolleyes: Whats the point in having a HxHD on UK with a US manager who cant even be on during the time their needed to ban, or use any of habbo's extra features for room owner.

So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to ;)






I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.

No offence, but HxHD's popularity? The only epople in HxHD the majority of the time are; Me, Staff, GommeInc, and some ex-staff.


having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk.

We both know thats a lie david.

[timROGERS]

Well since Dj-3000 left the replacement was Spectate who then resigned from Habbox a month or two then the position got handed over to Eckuii who did a great job in managing it and updating the help desk but I can't exactly remember what happened after that, I believe while a manager was being recruited 8Freak8 owned the room and well it was easiser just to leave it like that when Krypsis was given the job, Since then the desk has had several managers and to be quite honest with you it would be a great hastle to keep changing rooms and if the owner keeps changing with every manager most users will just get lost and won't be able to find the room so I think that why it was decided Nvrspk4 would own the room.
This may have it downsides but unless the manager is definitely going to stay as manager for the next 2/3 years I doubt they are going to be offering the actual rooms to the managers and make it so the (A)GM's own it.

I would have been here for the next 3 years - I'd been in the department for 3 and I had no intention to leaving.


To clear up a few general misconceptions:

1) They don't trust the manager - HxHD is owned by an (A)GM not because we don't trust the manager, but because HxHD is meant to be an icon. When HxHD constantly changes hands, people don't know where to go as its constantly switching. Say someone leaves and comes back three months later, and there was a switch in ownership of HxHD (and if it was managers, it almost certainly would have). They would be confused as to where to go (and searching HxHD doesn't always actually get you HxHD). Also others might leech off the popularity once they leave, and things get confused, it just messes up the entire idea of HxHD as an icon.

2) I can't deal with the staff entrances - You're right, I can't be on whenever there's a breach. That's why the HxHD manager owns the staff entrances, and has since NintendoNews, we decided to make that change ;) That's why you do your homework before making accusations ;)

3) Staff don't have rights because he's never on - Speaking of doing your homework...wrong again ;) When rights need to be distributed I usually get on earlier, or do it on a weekend. Every Super Staff and Team Leader has rights with the exception of one who has missed meeting times several times. It is not true that the manager does have rights. He had rights, but had them switched to his other account pending a name change.



So no those are not valid arguments at all. However I've always said that I am not the perfect choice simply because I'm not on as much as a GMT AGM would be, its just that the choice was I take HxHD or HxHD close. MAD couldn't access Habbo and sierk didn't use Habbo. However now that Jake is an AGM that's a legitimate option, should he wish to ;)

I know it is likely that people will expect otherwise, but I definetly agree with nvr! The first point is certainly true - I can understand the argument for not allowing managers to own the desk - turnover is quite high for the department and it's the sort of department that could be highly effected by a manager who quits/gets fired and then goes haywire. It's good for someone in a very high Habbox position to own the desk simply because they are the most likely to stay a long while, and desk moves will confuse the users who need the desk most.

As for the second point, I also agree. Having the manager own the staff entrances is by far the best option. The passwords were leaked many times during my time as HxHD manager, and being the owner of the entrances allows for a rapid and appropriate response which is very important for a leading help desk.

Finally, I definetly disagree with people's opinion that nvr is hard to get hold of. I personally never had any problem with obtaining rights and other things from nvr. He was always timely in setting up people's permissions and I could always get rights in good time after a reset.

Tim

[GommeInc]

having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.
I've noticed times where you have had to leave the helpdesk when a Habbo keeps returning to cause havvoc, and another member of the help desk has had to deal with the constant kicking. Someone should own the help desk that is readily available. If Jake can't do it, give it to a manager with the furniture and resources to do it, because, as stated, a Manager and an AGM aren't that different. An AGM is someone who manages multiple deaprtments (by the looks of it).

[nvrspk4]

So what about room banning members who constantly break the room rules? There has been numerous occasions where staff have to constantly sit there kicking a Habbo who continiously tries to enter and it has been a problem for the super staff who try to make sure they won't enter again, which takes up their time and will cause problems when that staff member has to leave the room (to do normal things).

The owner, even if its a manager, will not be there 24/7. Especially if they're not even HxHD Staff. That's a valid argument, yes, I can't kick people, but you do realize that if its a huge problem they can be reported, and also reloading the hotel can get rid of the room ban.


Who's to say a Manager won't last a couple of months?

Search the announcements for HxHD Manager.


They are a manager afterall, and should be hired for this, the same way an AGM or "Senior Manager" is hired. It is a trust issue, because you don't trust the manager to last more than a week :rolleyes: A regular department manager and assistant general manager are the same except one has more than one department job and doesn't primarily assist the general manager "/ A manager needs to own the room to sort out issues as soon as possible. If a manager cannot have it, then why can't an AGM? An AGM could be Help Desk Manager, and hopefully live in the UK so there is a chance they're readily available. Afterall, an AGM is a person with 2 or more Manager roles so effectively they're the same but more 'trusted' :rolleyes:

Wrong. An AGM *was* a manager. Thus they've been with us as a manager, and we know they're going to stay with us. We like all of our managers, but we don't know how long they can stay. Often its not even their own choice, they have to leave for RL reasons or their behavior can't keep up with their work, etc. etc. Our managers don't last as long as AGMs, its a proven fact. An AGM could be a help desk manager potentially. Like I said, if MAD or sierk used Habbo frequently, then I'd gladly hand it over to them. Now with Immenseman the same applies, but I'm hearing that he doesn't want to (not sure if that's true or not), but I'm not going to put him in a position where he's forced to.


Perhaps Immenseman/Jake could own the room, he has the resources to, but the same argument applies really, how do we know he will stay an Assistant General Manager?

As above. How do we know, we don't, but its been proven through experience that (A)GMs stay longer than Department Managers.


I've noticed times where you have had to leave the helpdesk when a Habbo keeps returning to cause havvoc, and another member of the help desk has had to deal with the constant kicking. Someone should own the help desk that is readily available. If Jake can't do it, give it to a manager with the furniture and resources to do it, because, as stated, a Manager and an AGM aren't that different. An AGM is someone who manages multiple deaprtments (by the looks of it).

Even if the manager is a UK manager they won't be there at all times regardless. There will always be situations where that is happening. Even our HxHD Managers aren't there 24/7. No, a manager and an Assistant General Manager aren't the same thing. I know you love arguing that point but there isn't anything to say that just because an AGM *has* a managers job that its the same. If a man works as a pizza delivery boy but also works at McDonalds part time, is a pizza delivery boy the same as a McDonalds worker? Just because they hold both titles does not mean its the same thing.


What popularity is that? :S Read answer to David/HotelUsers quote below.

The little popularity we have which is therefore very valuable. People do come in, I've seen it for myself. When I go in its often on clones (a lot of people are familiar with them now :P) But there are often 10 people in HxHD which is a fair amount considering that Help Desks are in less demand.


If you knew english you'd read i'm saying about problems IN THE HELP DESK. As people are accessing HxHD, and even scripting as per the last few pages discussion, resulting in the teleporter being moved for the last 3 days so no staff can access staff area without an SS/TL member being present.

Insulting people gains you no respect Scott. It just shows that you're getting frustrated and resort to insults to win. There's absolutely nothing I can do about the scripting, so I have no idea what a UK person being manager would do. The staff password wasn't leaked. The reason the teleporter is moved is because people have rights. The guy can script himself into a teleporter whenever he wants, so there's nothing we can do beyond reporting. Please, get the facts straight.


Lmao, from what i've heard people sit on rollers all night waiting on you coming for rights (i.e. ZL2/Marc sat on the roller all night waiting for you to come and give rights, then the PM you sent last time (after reset of rights) saying you'd be in the desk from 9PM on that night and guess who never turned up :rolleyes: Whats the point in having a HxHD on UK with a US manager who cant even be on during the time their needed to ban, or use any of habbo's extra features for room owner.

Once again, stop talking about what you don't bloody know. Your arrogance is getting downright irritating. ZL2 and HotelUser are the only two people who have ever sat on rollers to get rights, so generalizing with "people" is ridiculous. And the only reason I stood up my appointment is I was fighting a flipping serious version of a disease where I suffered fits of extreme exhaustion among other things (mono or Pfeiffer's Disease, look it up) where I fell asleep where I was. That day I literally ended up on the floor right next to my computer chair, it was also the reason I ended up going to the hospital. Its not because I intentionally decided I wasn't going to show. Stop chatting nonsense when you don't even know what's going on. You throw out generalizations and misinformation without even bothering to check it. Do me a favor and PM me the facts of your post before you post next so that you're at least arguing with legitimate information.

[GommeInc]

The owner, even if its a manager, will not be there 24/7. Especially if they're not even HxHD Staff. That's a valid argument, yes, I can't kick people, but you do realize that if its a huge problem they can be reported, and also reloading the hotel can get rid of the room ban.
Then they shouldn't be the HxHD Manager if they aren't on at available most of the time, so that argument is destroyed :rolleyes:


Search the announcements for HxHD Manager.
Same odds with an Assistant General Manager, except they hold more jobs so hold their position more :rolleyes:


Wrong. An AGM *was* a manager. Thus they've been with us as a manager, and we know they're going to stay with us. We like all of our managers, but we don't know how long they can stay. Often its not even their own choice, they have to leave for RL reasons or their behavior can't keep up with their work, etc. etc. Our managers don't last as long as AGMs, its a proven fact. An AGM could be a help desk manager potentially. Like I said, if MAD or sierk used Habbo frequently, then I'd gladly hand it over to them. Now with Immenseman the same applies, but I'm hearing that he doesn't want to (not sure if that's true or not), but I'm not going to put him in a position where he's forced to.
Noo... An AGM is a person with a management job, and possibly a few small jobs like Staff Editor. Although for a forum of this size, there should be more than one "/ The same argument applies with AGMs, you don't know how long they'll stay, there's just a higher possibility that they won't quit because you've chucked them more jobs and a title which makes little sense...

Also, PM... What's wrong with communcating with each other on HxF at the moment?!


As above. How do we know, we don't, but its been proven through experience that (A)GMs stay longer than Department Managers.
Because they're chucked more jobs, but there's still that possibility that they'll get rid of manager jobs or quit special editing jobs like VIP or Staff.


Even if the manager is a UK manager they won't be there at all times regardless. There will always be situations where that is happening. Even our HxHD Managers aren't there 24/7. No, a manager and an Assistant General Manager aren't the same thing. I know you love arguing that point but there isn't anything to say that just because an AGM *has* a managers job that its the same. If a man works as a pizza delivery boy but also works at McDonalds part time, is a pizza delivery boy the same as a McDonalds worker? Just because they hold both titles does not mean its the same thing.
As stated, if you hire managers who aren't available to talk to, then someone seriously hires people for the wrong reasons :rolleyes: Now your argument of the McDonalds worker also being a Delivery Boy. They're small jobs, so why give them a title that suggests they're important, like AGM? So your example has kinda disproven the AGM title, which is pointless. You've 'owned' yourself there...

[nvrspk4]

Then they shouldn't be the HxHD Manager if they aren't on at available most of the time, so that argument is destroyed :rolleyes:

That's why we've had to fire managers in the past ;)


Same odds with an Assistant General Manager, except they hold more jobs so hold their position more :rolleyes:

Since DJ-3000 the following have been HxHD Manager and left/been removed:

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews

The following have been (A)GMs post-DJ and have left/been removed:

8Freak8, Baving, Seacat, Adzeh, jrh2002.

Also, there were usually three to four AGMs at a time while only one HxHD Manager (with the exception of Calzeh and Immenseman). (A)GMs simply stay longer.


Noo... An AGM is a person with a management job, and possibly a few small jobs like Staff Editor. Although for a forum of this size, there should be more than one "/ The same argument applies with AGMs, you don't know how long they'll stay, there's just a higher possibility that they won't quit because you've chucked them more jobs and a title which makes little sense...

Actually, I don't really have a management job anymore, Staff Editor is part of my AGM job (I'm AGM-Staff) and VIP Editor is my additional job. So really I only have two jobs now ;) Joshuar has one. Immenseman is the only one with a Manager job, and he does a bang-up job of it anyway.


Also, PM... What's wrong with communcating with each other on HxF at the moment?!

Nothing, when you get the facts straight ;) The comment wasn't addressed at you anyway, although I disagree with you you're a skilled debater and at least argue your case based on principle or known fact ;)


Because they're chucked more jobs, but there's still that possibility that they'll get rid of manager jobs or quit special editing jobs like VIP or Staff.

But they will remain as Habbox Staff and continue owning the Help Desk ;)


As stated, if you hire managers who aren't available to talk to, then someone seriously hires people for the wrong reasons :rolleyes: Now your argument of the McDonalds worker also being a Delivery Boy. They're small jobs, so why give them a title that suggests they're important, like AGM? So your example has kinda disproven the AGM title, which is pointless. You've 'owned' yourself there...

Ok, so if someone manages a big department store like Macy's but is also on the Town Council, is a Councilman the same as a Macy's Manager? Or if you class those as both high level and thus invalid, the Councilman could even be a realtor who is low down in their business or something, and the Council is their high job while a realtor is their "less important" job, but that still doesn't make Councilman the same title as Realtor.

[timROGERS]

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews



I've been searching for a good HxHD manager list for a while. I was there throughout all of them :P

People in this forum seem too interested in their own petty arguments to actually care about the future of Habbox.

[Alkaz]

I've been searching for a good HxHD manager list for a while. I was there throughout all of them :P

People in this forum seem too interested in their own petty arguments to actually care about the future of Habbox.
http://www.habbox.com/site//content/view/3353/312/

Didnt have to look too far :P

[GommeInc]

That's why we've had to fire managers in the past ;)
So why did you hire them when they won't stay for long? That's the issue here. Hire them the same way you hire an AGM, because both are relatively the same anyway.


Since DJ-3000 the following have been HxHD Manager and left/been removed:

Spectate, Calzeh, Eckuii, Re-Call, Krypsis, me, Hecktix, WiseBen, Intellexual (I believe...), Bren-Element, Dan2nd, Immenseman, NintendoNews

The following have been (A)GMs post-DJ and have left/been removed:

8Freak8, Baving, Seacat, Adzeh, jrh2002.
And my point is:

There aren't alot of AGMs at one given time and AGMs are guaranteed to last longer because they're chucked more jobs, thus responsibility which gives them a reason to stay. Perhaps one of the HxHD Managers could be promoted to an AGM, because the criteria suggests they can; anyone with loads of jobs and has been on Habbox for a very long time.


Also, there were usually three to four AGMs at a time while only one HxHD Manager (with the exception of Calzeh and Immenseman). (A)GMs simply stay longer.
Because of more responsibility, they have more jobs and if they quit one manager job or editor job, they still have other jobs to fall on.


Actually, I don't really have a management job anymore, Staff Editor is part of my AGM job (I'm AGM-Staff) and VIP Editor is my additional job. So really I only have two jobs now ;) Joshuar has one. Immenseman is the only one with a Manager job, and he does a bang-up job of it anyway.
None of which seem to "Assist the General Manager" though, they seem like Senior Management jobs and infact are. An AGM job is just a Managers job except worded differently:

Staff Editor = Staff Manager
VIP Editor = VIP Manager

Part of the ever confusing circle of Habbox terminology and sense.


Nothing, when you get the facts straight ;) The comment wasn't addressed at you anyway, although I disagree with you you're a skilled debater and at least argue your case based on principle or known fact ;)
So why doesn't Habbox make sense and base itself around known teminology, fact and principles? It doesn't have to be different, and that's why there are issues. I've never seen so many negative threads in the feedback forum :S


But they will remain as Habbox Staff and continue owning the Help Desk ;)
How? They could chuck owning/managing the Help Desk down the drain if they wanted, and keep their other jobs and still exist as an AGM because the criteria as it seems is someone with a mixture of jobs on Habbox, which don't include Editor jobs by the looks of Adzeh (I think) and Immenseman.



Ok, so if someone manages a big department store like Macy's but is also on the Town Council, is a Councilman the same as a Macy's Manager? Or if you class those as both high level and thus invalid, the Councilman could even be a realtor who is low down in their business or something, and the Council is their high job while a realtor is their "less important" job, but that still doesn't make Councilman the same title as Realtor.
Nope, because they're both different companies / areas. Habbox is like one big 'company.' Someone could work there way through one department and at the same time work there way through another. After a few years, they qualify for the AGM role because they've shown dedication, time and effort for Habbox and quality for the title and jobs.

If the Macy's Manager who was also a Council person lived in the same town which somehow ran like a huge company, where each company has no owner but are technically owned by the Town Mayor (or owner it would seem) then maybe, but it seems of scale and bizarre the comparison :P

[Shrlurp]

Hey scott/everyone,

I'm sure I understand what you are getting at and I know it could be done.

But don't you think it would be a total failure if every 6 months a new room was made, HxHD would be quiet, no-one would know where the desk is and people would loose intrest.

NVR has owned the desk for a while now and we have 'long-term' users who prefer it this way.

In my opinion I feel no need to swoop the rooms, yes maybe the layout could be changed, yes maybe more people, like me, need rights. But these are small issues that can be dealt with without making dramatic changes to a (say what you like) successful department.

I'm sure NVR would be happy to take your suggestions on a room layout and HxHD super staff will contact NVR in the need of rights.

Thank you for your feedback Scott :)

[e5safetyban]

8freak8 and DJ-3000 were on alot more often so it was easier for them to own it with no problems. With nvrspk's time zone, it's hard for him to actually get on, so I agree with the thread starter :8

[Shrlurp]

8freak8 and DJ-3000 were on alot more often so it was easier for them to own it with no problems. With nvrspk's time zone, it's hard for him to actually get on, so I agree with the thread starter :8
Why does he have to come on regularly?

I cannot see why NVRs timezone effects you.

It effects the staff in the smallest way possible.

[Dan2nd]

Why does he have to come on regularly?

I cannot see why NVRs timezone effects you.

It effects the staff in the smallest way possible.

That is a point I agree with Jake. The only real thing which effects you guys the users is the lack of layout changes which fair enough could be done more often. Everything else such as rights being given out or being reset etc etc is something that only us the staff should really be worrying about and I've gotta say as assistant manager no, i'm not really worried about that at the current time as I received my rites in a matter of hours after I was promoted to a level when I needed them.

[DJ-Ains.T]

I agree with this.

[Galaxay]

[quote=nvrspk4;4678273]Insulting people gains you no respect Scott. It just shows that you're getting frustrated and resort to insults to win.quote]

I don't believe that was an insult? Also at that "gains you no respect", what makes you think i need respect on an online forum? :S It wouldnt make a difference to me if everyone on this forum despised me, or if everyone on this forum loves me..

[nvrspk4]

http://www.habbox.com/site//content/view/3353/312/

Didnt have to look too far :P

Are you serious I did that by hand =[ Lmao.


Hope this could help answer some things. + dont flame me. ;)


having been in the position of having to constantly kick a banned user, yes it does get annoying but after a few minutes the user stops entering the desk. An Assistant General Manager does currently own the help desk, Nvrspk4. Jake owning the desk is a valid option, however he doesn't want to.

It is to my understanding that Immenseman (Jake) has no desire to own the HxHD.

No, being rich isn't everything. However if you have next to no items and had to build the HxHD, you may be in for trouble.

I still believe the desk should not be owned by a manager. There would be many complications when the manager resigns, or gets fired. If the manager was fired users would still visit their desk, living of HxHD's popularity. Furthermore not only would a new manager have to be appointed, but they would also be required to design a new desk and assure everyone is aware that the room owner has changed.


I would have been here for the next 3 years - I'd been in the department for 3 and I had no intention to leaving.

I know it is likely that people will expect otherwise, but I definetly agree with nvr! The first point is certainly true - I can understand the argument for not allowing managers to own the desk - turnover is quite high for the department and it's the sort of department that could be highly effected by a manager who quits/gets fired and then goes haywire. It's good for someone in a very high Habbox position to own the desk simply because they are the most likely to stay a long while, and desk moves will confuse the users who need the desk most.

As for the second point, I also agree. Having the manager own the staff entrances is by far the best option. The passwords were leaked many times during my time as HxHD manager, and being the owner of the entrances allows for a rapid and appropriate response which is very important for a leading help desk.

Finally, I definetly disagree with people's opinion that nvr is hard to get hold of. I personally never had any problem with obtaining rights and other things from nvr. He was always timely in setting up people's permissions and I could always get rights in good time after a reset.

Tim


Hey scott/everyone,

I'm sure I understand what you are getting at and I know it could be done.

But don't you think it would be a total failure if every 6 months a new room was made, HxHD would be quiet, no-one would know where the desk is and people would loose intrest.

NVR has owned the desk for a while now and we have 'long-term' users who prefer it this way.

In my opinion I feel no need to swoop the rooms, yes maybe the layout could be changed, yes maybe more people, like me, need rights. But these are small issues that can be dealt with without making dramatic changes to a (say what you like) successful department.

I'm sure NVR would be happy to take your suggestions on a room layout and HxHD super staff will contact NVR in the need of rights.

Thank you for your feedback Scott :)


That is a point I agree with Jake. The only real thing which effects you guys the users is the lack of layout changes which fair enough could be done more often. Everything else such as rights being given out or being reset etc etc is something that only us the staff should really be worrying about and I've gotta say as assistant manager no, i'm not really worried about that at the current time as I received my rites in a matter of hours after I was promoted to a level when I needed them.


I'm going to rest my case here. Five HxHD staff have posted. All five don't see a problem with the current system. The issues raised would effect staff more than anyone else with the exception of the layout, and that has absolutely nothing to do with timezone. So I'm sorry but you can theorize as much as you like, but it seems to me that the people who it effects the most don't particularly mind...

[HotelUser]

8freak8 and DJ-3000 were on alot more often so it was easier for them to own it with no problems. With nvrspk's time zone, it's hard for him to actually get on, so I agree with the thread starter :8
I'm -4GMT, he is -5GMT. I'm active in the desk, and get good reports. Nvrspk is also active in the desk. I had no problem getting my rights.

There's nothing to change. Nvrspk4 has owned the desk for (I think) over a year now (or very close to a year) and in that duration if this was a problem with his inactivity, it would've been addressed already. The staff are the users who inactivity would affect. We don't have any complaints :). There's nothing to change, I think this thread should be closed.

[Galaxay]

I'm going to rest my case here. Five HxHD staff have posted. All five don't see a problem with the current system. The issues raised would effect staff more than anyone else with the exception of the layout, and that has absolutely nothing to do with timezone. So I'm sorry but you can theorize as much as you like, but it seems to me that the people who it effects the most don't particularly mind...

NintendoNews is no longer Habbox Help Desk staff.


I'm -4GMT, he is -5GMT. I'm active in the desk, and get good reports. Nvrspk is also active in the desk. I had no problem getting my rights.

There's nothing to change. Nvrspk4 has owned the desk for (I think) over a year now (or very close to a year) and in that duration if this was a problem with his inactivity, it would've been addressed already. The staff are the users who inactivity would affect. We don't have any complaints :). There's nothing to change, I think this thread should be closed.

Lucky its not your decision then.
Also "We don't have any complaints"? lols at that is all im going to say.

[Immenseman]

Being Super Staff in the desk myself I got my rights almost instantly. Nvrspk4 isn't going to be there 24/7, nobody is. I personally don't see any problem with him owning the desk. Like some other people have mentioned the layout isn't changed as much as it used to be, that's not due to time zone. He could do that when people aren't on, no problem. I don't really see why else the owner of the room has to come online. Giving rights and changing layouts are the only two things that they need to do.

[HotelUser]

NintendoNews is no longer Habbox Help Desk staff.
Tim is HxHD staff ;).



Lucky its not your decision then.
Also "We don't have any complaints"? lols at that is all im going to say.


Even the odd complaint there regarding this issue, isn't substantial enough to do anything about it. During the past year there haven't been problems.

[Galaxay]

Just the need to kick the same person 100 times a day.

And yes if you read he was announced after my post. ;)

[nvrspk4]

Just the need to kick the same person 100 times a day.

And yes if you read he was announced after my post. ;)
As the arguments fall one by one, a single one is left standing ;P
That's not a matter that concerns you and I've yet to have a PM from my staff complaining about it, so I think we can drop the issue. ;)

[Galaxay]

As the arguments fall one by one, a single one is left standing ;P
That's not a matter that concerns you and I've yet to have a PM from my staff complaining about it, so I think we can drop the issue. ;)

They dont have the time to PM you, their too busy kicking :8

[Alkaz]

They dont have the time to PM you, their too busy kicking :8
Most of the time people understand why they were banned and dont come into the desk. It is the people who always break the rules in the desk thinking they can get away with it that return and after a few kicks they normally get bored so its not much of a problem.

[nvrspk4]

They dont have the time to PM you, their too busy kicking :8

A PM saying that its a problem in general, not necessarily specific people. And Alkaz has explained why above.