Rule please.

[Xeros-Ban]

Can you tell me weh exactly it says

opening and then closing a thread after it has been closed turns into a automatic perm ban

thx x

[Slowpoke]

VIP abuse always has and always will result in a perm ban.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=426017

[Galaxay]

If a moderator/management closed a thread then you re-opened it its always been a perm ban as its both abuse of your VIP and reversing a mods actions.

[mat64]

Also whilst we're here, there's this condition regarding your PayPal claims;

- Should you ever sign up for our paid membership (Habbox V.I.P.) you will warrant the following:
* Habboxforum.com reserves the right to terminate/remove/transfer/modify/limit any or all parts of your subscription at any time without notice.

[Xeros-Ban]

idc about paypal that much they dont include any terms of the seller.

+ I opened and then closed the thread. Hows that wrong? I wanted my last word in.

Habbox cant take criticizm or something?

[Callum.]

And the one you are forgetting!

- Habbox forum reserves the right to terminate any account at any time.

[Hazza]

idc about paypal that much they dont include any terms of the seller.

+ I opened and then closed the thread. Hows that wrong? I wanted my last word in.

Habbox cant take criticizm or something?
Thats the problem with Habbox.. No they can't.

[mat64]

idc about paypal that much they dont include any terms of the seller.

+ I opened and then closed the thread. Hows that wrong? I wanted my last word in.

Habbox cant take criticizm or something?
The thread was closed by a member of staff which had the power to do so and you reopened it, which is something non-VIPs cannot do therefore this is using your VIP features in a manner not intended otherwise known as VIP abuse. It's been this way for a while and since you were a more senior member of the forum you should have known that really. Sorry to be so blunt but it's as simple as that.

[GommeInc]

And the one you are forgetting!

- Habbox forum reserves the right to terminate any account at any time.
Not a valid excuse, they can do that, but it means you:

- Are unprofessional.
- Can't think of a valid excuse/reason for the terminating of said account.

The ban reason seems stupid. He closed the thread again, which is like reversing the reversal, a double negative. It's like stealing from a shop, then taking it back through guilt or because you are sensible. The most you'll get is a warning. I don't see why he didn't. No logic went into this ban I see.

[Callum.]

Not a valid excuse, they can do that, but it means you:

- Are unprofessional.
- Can't think of a valid excuse/reason for the terminating of said account.

But not only was there a reason, this still can happen.

[LoveHateHero]

idc about paypal that much they dont include any terms of the seller.

+ I opened and then closed the thread. Hows that wrong? I wanted my last word in.

Habbox cant take criticizm or something?

Once a Moderator closes your thread you aren't allowed to re-open it. Even if it was for the last word.

[Callum.]

Not a valid excuse, they can do that, but it means you:

- Are unprofessional.
- Can't think of a valid excuse/reason for the terminating of said account.

The ban reason seems stupid. He closed the thread again, which is like reversing the reversal, a double negative. It's like stealing from a shop, then taking it back through guilt or because you are sensible. The most you'll get is a warning. I don't see why he didn't. No logic went into this ban I see.

But he opened a thread once it has been closed, that's not for the sensible option.

[GommeInc]

But not only was there a reason, this still can happen.
It's still not a valid reason, he closed the thread again. He didn't leave it open or get people to swear mindlessly. If he did, then it would be valid, but he did close the thread again to get his last word in, which is sensible enough.

Also, if you can't open a thread (or close it) which is a VIP feature, doesn't that void the purchase? Might be wise for people not to buy VIP while Hx is quite a mess with contradicting issues and systems that make very little sense...


But he opened a thread once it has been closed, that's not for the sensible option.
He closed it afterwards, which is sensible. He didn't allow his argument to carry on and didn't want trouble to happen, which of course wouldn't with a closed thread. It's sensible.

[Xeros-Ban]

ino + I doubt its a reason to be banned perminantly. Is this what habbox's is coming to. Then you wonder why you've not be official. Because the management is pathetic and immature.

I personally think you should grow up and take criticizm before I opened the thread complaining everything was fine. Then suddenly you ban me for the stupidest reason you could think of?

[Plank]

This is negative feedback which isn't allowed on here so the thread will get deleted soon.

[Callum.]

ino + I doubt its a reason to be banned perminantly. Is this what habbox's is coming to. Then you wonder why you've not be official. Because the management is pathetic and immature.

I personally think you should grow up and take criticizm before I opened the thread complaining everything was fine. Then suddenly you ban me for the stupidest reason you could think of?

And then the member moans in the feedback forum making it worse for themselves. Looks real good.

[Xeros-Ban]

Feedback because I prefer other member's to also join in and add their point of you. I dont believe in one sided arguements i rather have all views.

[--ss--]

First of all it has always been against the forum rules to re-open a thread a moderator closes but re-opening the thread of which the Forum manager closed is just showing us you want trouble.

Second of all your thread wasn't even feedback it was you crying about an infraction you received and was already deemed fair by 2/3 Smods and if you are to criticise my moderating skills at least state the truth , the infraction I gave you was for being an inappropriate post (Because that's exactly what the post was) and yet you seem to get the idea it's for avoiding the filter? :rolleyes:

[The Professor]

This thread seems to have moved towards discussing this user's ban reason, which is not allowed, so it'd probably be best to steer clear of it if this thread is to remain open.

But on topic: If a mod closes a thread, he/she has done it for a reason. Normal members are prohibited from further posting in that thread. Anyone who users their VIP powers to overturn a decision is abusing the powers they have, which results in a perm ban. The idea is its a deterrant because people don't want to lose something they've paid for, but in some cases the deterrant obviously doesn't work and it still happens.

[Nain]

The Mod closed the thread, you opened it, against the rules and will result in a ban + removal of VIP
check in the rules, you were banned for a completely valid reason

and also, you accepted the TOC which said that they could take your VIP away.

yes? remember? or were you just ticking random boxes, remember if this goes to the police or court.. you'll be the one thats lost. With all of us on Habbox's side, and with you agreeing to the TOC then its legal for habbox to have done what they did.. you got that.. now quit whining

[Catzsy]

The Mod closed the thread, you opened it, against the rules and will result in a ban + removal of VIP
check in the rules, you were banned for a completely valid reason

and also, you accepted the TOC which said that they could take your VIP away.

yes? remember? or were you just ticking random boxes, remember if this goes to the police or court.. you'll be the one thats lost. With all of us on Habbox's side, and with you agreeing to the TOC then its legal for habbox to have done what they did.. you got that.. now quit whining

I really don't see the need for people to be slightly aggressive and seem to be ganging up against this person though. Lots of people seem to be repeating the same point?:S Once the point's made its made, surely?
Personally the contact form or a pm would probably be the best way of handling this but that's just my view.

[Xeros-Ban]

First of all it has always been against the forum rules to re-open a thread a moderator closes but re-opening the thread of which the Forum manager closed is just showing us you want trouble.

Second of all your thread wasn't even feedback it was you crying about an infraction you received and was already deemed fair by 2/3 Smods and if you are to criticise my moderating skills at least state the truth , the infraction I gave you was for being an inappropriate post (Because that's exactly what the post was) and yet you seem to get the idea it's for avoiding the filter? :rolleyes:

Well i would quote the reason but im banned. The infraction reason given was
Avoiding filter + innapropriate post.


The Mod closed the thread, you opened it, against the rules and will result in a ban + removal of VIP
check in the rules, you were banned for a completely valid reason

and also, you accepted the TOC which said that they could take your VIP away.

yes? remember? or were you just ticking random boxes, remember if this goes to the police or court.. you'll be the one thats lost. With all of us on Habbox's side, and with you agreeing to the TOC then its legal for habbox to have done what they did.. you got that.. now quit whining

I lol'd. Why would I take habbox to the police or court. Thatd be hilarious. Im in court today because they banned me from a Habbo forum and took my 6 pounds. LOL! Sorry thats pathetic.

[---MAD---]

Not a valid excuse, they can do that, but it means you:

- Are unprofessional.
- Can't think of a valid excuse/reason for the terminating of said account.

The ban reason seems stupid. He closed the thread again, which is like reversing the reversal, a double negative. It's like stealing from a shop, then taking it back through guilt or because you are sensible. The most you'll get is a warning. I don't see why he didn't. No logic went into this ban I see.
No, its more like stealing candy from a shop, eating it then putting the wrapper back.

Reversal of mod actions is an automatic bans. VIPs are not given extra tools to abuse and override the staff which is why we take it very seriously.


Personally the contact form or a pm would probably be the best way of handling this but that's just my view.
Yes that is the proper way of dealing with it ;).

[bo$$]

Maybe it's just me but all that I've seen in this thread is someone replying and then at least 20 posts of the same thing, but in different words?

If you seriously can't add something other then "It's not allowed" then don't post after it's been said.

I see what Gomme is saying how he did re-close it. I'd be perfectly fine with it since he didn't just open it, say something, and then leave it open to get responses and start trouble.

@--ss-- when he said that part about a forum manager closing it so it showed that he wanted to cause trouble or whatever.. how? Forum Managers are in NO WAY any more special then mods imo. Also; he might have not known that the person was a forum manager. Unless of course the thread said "Closed by forum manager" or w/e

[nvrspk4]

Speaking of course on the rule in general as opposed to the ban itself (:P)

First of all its reversing a moderator's actions. Second of all, it's clearly against the VIP rules, and its been announced (and is included in the VIP rules) that abuse of VIP features is a permanant ban.

No, opening threads is not really a VIP feature, closing them is. Opening them after you yourself close them is ok, but if a moderator closes it there's a reason why it was closed and its not anybody's place to be deciding that they want the last word after the moderator decides the discussion is closed. Often, since its because the thread has turned it into an argument, let me compare it to a boxing match. Its like the referee calling the end of a round and sending the boxers into their corner but one goes and throws a jab at the other, and then goes to his corner and the other boxer can't hit back.


idc about paypal that much they dont include any terms of the seller.

Just a warning, it would be considered fraud and treated as such, you recieved the service you paid for and to withdraw the payment would be fraud.

[Simmzay]

The ban seems just but the withdrawl of V.I.P does not. They should be refunded for the months after the V.I.P is removed, so if you break this rule two months into a six month V.I.P period you shouldn't have to pay for what you don't receive. Sure it's fixed rates but it's common sense.

[---MAD---]

The ban seems just but the withdrawl of V.I.P does not. They should be refunded for the months after the V.I.P is removed, so if you break this rule two months into a six month V.I.P period you shouldn't have to pay for what you don't receive. Sure it's fixed rates but it's common sense.
That's a bit like saying if we pay for a 1 year vBulletin license and then break their license rules, they should pay us back the remainer of the money because we never used up a whole year.

If you are worried about getting banned then its better to purchase one month at a time or read the forum / vip rules thoroughly ;).

[Xeros-Ban]

, it would be considered fraud and treated as such, you recieved the service you paid for and to withdraw the payment would be fraud.

Sorry but how exactly is that fraud loll.

Also you dont make the VIP rules very clear do you? When you purchase VIP the rules should be there and you should have to agree to them. This way the purchaser can read them easily without going through the trouble of finding them all in the rules section.

[Simmzay]

That's a bit like saying if we pay for a 1 year vBulletin license and then break their license rules, they should pay us back the remainer of the money because we never used up a whole year.

If you are worried about getting banned then its better to purchase one month at a time or read the forum / vip rules thoroughly ;).
I don't see how this is in any way related. If that were the case, the VIP withdrawl should last until the ban itself ends.

[Galaxay]

VIP does last, say you got a 7 day ban, and purhcased 1 month VIP, when you returned you'd still have VIP, however if you get permenantly banned then obviously you wont get VIP back.

If you do take back money after paying it, yes its fraud. As your paying for a service, you've received it then broke the terms/conditions of the service, resulting in the service being terminated. If you didnt break the rules/terms/conditions then you'd still be VIP.

[Simmzay]

Oh right, that's fine then. I misinterepreted the post, I'm sorry. And yeah, I do feel it warrants a permanent ban.

[The Professor]

Oh right, that's fine then. I misinterepreted the post, I'm sorry. And yeah, I do feel it warrants a permanent ban.

Generally on here it'll say "temp ban" if there's a time limit on the ban, and just "banned" if its permanent :)

[timROGERS]

Seems like a fair ban to me - it is clearly stated in the forum rules that you may not abuse VIP subscription in this (and other) way(s).

[GommeInc]

How comes people think he abused his VIP rights for bad? He only opened his thread again, posted a reply then closed it again. He did bad, but fixed it by closing it again "/ If he left it open then it'll be bad...

[DJ-Ains.T]

Mmm, that's a good rule :) I like it ;P

[Simmzay]

Gomme, I think the problem is people wanting to get the last word on the thread. If it was more along the lines of correcting yourself or explaining your comments then it's fine. But wanting to have the last word, and in turn "win" the argument, and undo a moderator's changes shouldn't be allowed.

[GommeInc]

Gomme, I think the problem is people wanting to get the last word on the thread. If it was more along the lines of correcting yourself or explaining your comments then it's fine. But wanting to have the last word, and in turn "win" the argument, and undo a moderator's changes shouldn't be allowed.
Surely there's no real difference between that and a pointless closure of a thread? Where a debate / argument is a foot and then the moderator ruins it by closing it, so you can't get your summary of the argument posted. JUst ignore it, it'll sink away anyway within a few hours, or a day. It should of been a warning really, rather than a ban, because evidence from breaking other rules suggests its infractionable / warnable.