How very ironic =/

[BlueMoon]

How ironic of you SMODS/MODS. I see e5's 'Staff own' thread hasn't been deleted and he hasn't recieved a PM however when I make a 'Staff suck' thread with the EXACT same text in the post as e5's apart from the title I get an infractions and it gets deleted. How very ironic. :rolleyes:

[wrestle]

Lol e5

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[Nereo]

I dont get how that ironic, you may have a point but the definitinon of ironic doesnt apply to what you are going on about (i wouldnt say it does anyway) :P

[dirrty]

i think its because u used to word suck which with "staff suck", it can be deemed offensive. whereas e5 just had "staff own", which isnt really bad.

[BlueMoon]

But the PM wasn't for the title of the thread it was for the post. :rolleyes:

[Nereo]

Maybe mods just look at the thread titles and not the actualy post? :P

[today]

Lol, the thread actually has a point and its a ways to achieve an end, in that its not "fsafsksa" but they have a purpose with their spamming, I'm sure if you ask them they'll tell you. I think it can be excused if it's contained to one thread. However I will warn them that they have to at least add content to posts.

Was the answer i got from reporting that thread.

Hardly seems fair.

[Catzsy]

But the PM wasn't for the title of the thread it was for the post. :rolleyes:

E5 is a member of staff so cannot be edited by/warned/infracted by a moderator only a staff editor. If you feel that it breaks the rule then you can report it using the red triangle and it will be referred to a staff editor who will make a judgement on it. As you haven't put a a link it is hard to tell what you mean.

[timROGERS]

Does it occur to you that this may possibly be because "own" is good and "suck" is bad? You are being rude after all.

[Meanies]

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[samsaBEAR]

E5 is a member of staff so cannot be edited by/warned/infracted by a moderator only a staff editor. If you feel that it breaks the rule then you can report it using the red triangle and it will be referred to a staff editor who will make a judgement on it. As you haven't put a a link it is hard to tell what you mean.
i dont like this rule
it could takes ages for a staff editor/whatever to warn the staff member
moderators should have the power to hand out punishments to every member on the forum, regardless of their position

[FlyingJesus]

If you copied the exact text of it then it's a pointless thread anyway

[Yoshimitsui]

i dont like this rule
it could takes ages for a staff editor/whatever to warn the staff member
moderators should have the power to hand out punishments to every member on the forum, regardless of their position

That can create alot of unwanted problems, as moderators and other staff are all part of a staff team it is more likely to cause arguments and incidents of disagreement.

[today]

That thread by e5 was pointless but was "acceptable" as hes staff yet if we did that it wont be allowed. :\

[The Professor]

i dont like this rule
it could takes ages for a staff editor/whatever to warn the staff member
moderators should have the power to hand out punishments to every member on the forum, regardless of their position

We have the powers in emergencies, for example if a staff member was hacked and the hacker was spamming the forum, but for general rulebreaking it's left to the staff editor. He needs to know if staff are breaking the rules anyway, we need to set a good (ish :P) example. nvr usually comes on every day, so its usually sorted within 24 hours :)

[Elkaa]

I fail to see anything ironic here.

[GommeInc]

E5 is a member of staff so cannot be edited by/warned/infracted by a moderator only a staff editor. If you feel that it breaks the rule then you can report it using the red triangle and it will be referred to a staff editor who will make a judgement on it. As you haven't put a a link it is hard to tell what you mean.
Should be judged the same really... Staff and members aren't different in age and maturity, and most of the time they talk the same.

[DJ-Ains.T]

Hey, It's like that, and that's the way it is!

[Catzsy]

Should be judged the same really... Staff and members aren't different in age and maturity, and most of the time they talk the same.

Well TBF Gomme, I have never known Nvr to be anything other than even handed and if anything, it seems to me, the staff are leaned on more heavily than the members which is probably correct when they are supposed to set the example. The only issue is that Mods can act immediately and there are quite a few of them as opposed to one staff editor who can't be expected to be on the forum all the time. Members should never hesitate to report a post if they feel a member of the staff is breaking a rule and just in case they feel reluctant and they can always use the complaints forum for this.

I can only speak from personal experience but when I have reported staff rule breaking it has been dealt with in 24hours. If it isn't reported it can't be dealt with.

[GommeInc]

I don't get why moderators can't deal with staff. It's just another one of these confusing issues within Habbox, where they try to sort something out, but make it confusing and complicated along the way.

[Catzsy]

I don't get why moderators can't deal with staff. It's just another one of these confusing issues within Habbox, where they try to sort something out, but make it confusing and complicated along the way.

Well I have some sympathy with your view as far as level entry staff are concerned and I hold the view that Smods, maybe, could be trained to deal with it. Having said that but there is always the concern that it would set staff against staff and so best left to a staff editor. There is an upside to that as there is a pretty consistent and fair level of moderation. This has been discussed quite a few times on the forum. :)

[GommeInc]

Well I have some sympathy with your view as far as level entry staff are concerned and I hold the view that Smods, maybe, could be trained to deal with it. Having said that but there is always the concern that it would set staff against staff and so best left to a staff editor. There is an upside to that as there is a pretty consistent and fair level of moderation. This has been discussed quite a few times on the forum. :)
So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

[Catzsy]

So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

Well if the situation was really urgent and required immediate attention normally an admin or FM/AFM/AGM/ GM would be asked if they could deal with it in the absence of the Staff Editor. It's not a matter of dealing with it that's the problem. Threads can be moved out easily enough in an emergency situation and somebody from Senior Management can ban if necessary. The crux of the matter is the actual editing of the post on the forum which is only done by the staff editor in line with the present policy.

[GommeInc]

Surely if they break the Public Forum Rules they should be dealt with like an ordinary member of the HxF public? A public warning if they swear or post pointlessly (subject to whether the post is actually pointless) and for example, messaging a Staff Editor to tell them of the situation.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

The posts that e5 were making actually had a purpose (they can explain if they want I don't entirely understand, but I know it had a purpose), and yours technically would too if you copied the post. Now, I don't know if you knew what you were doing by pasting Habbo ClubHabbo Habbo Hotel one after another after another, but if you did then you shouldn't be infracted for the post, however it would be fair if you were infracted for the "Staff Suck". If the title was "Members Own" with that text and you actually had a purpose (other than to mock the people from the "Staff Own" thread) then it would be entirely acceptable. If you want me to look into it feel free to contact me about it.


i dont like this rule
it could takes ages for a staff editor/whatever to warn the staff member
moderators should have the power to hand out punishments to every member on the forum, regardless of their position

Nah I usually deal with it soon, I knew about this a few hours after it happened but I didn't do anything for the reasons explained above.

But for your benefit and for GommeInc's benefit below, I explained this a thousand times, most recently in this thread:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=466162&highlight=edit+staff+posts

here:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4554690#post4554690 (bottom of the post)

Moderators can edit if its "Rogue Staff" that endanger others, they have a hidden forum to temporarily move stuff to. Staff can touch other staff's posts in an emergency. However in a NORMAL rule breaking situation where the member is not endangering others and simply breaks a rule (for example insulting or avoiding the filter) they are instructed to PM it to me.


I don't get why moderators can't deal with staff. It's just another one of these confusing issues within Habbox, where they try to sort something out, but make it confusing and complicated along the way.


So what happens if a staff member goes rogue? A moderator cannot touch their posts and nor can a super moderator by the looks of it. So the forum and possibly the site is screwed... Makes no sense really, just let mods moderate anyone incl. other staff or at least super moderators, because it seems to cause confusion, especially when I am guessing the obvious answer to this will be "mods/super mods can deal with other staff if they go rogue" which contradicts itself because you've been told not to and thus the circle of contradcitory rules and confusion continues...

[GommeInc]

But a rogue staff member is just a staff member that is purposely breaking the rules continuously to annoy whoever hired them. You do get staff that will do it out of the blue, like an ordinary member, for no reason and it's accidental. This is because they're the same behaviour wise, except staff should be looked at with more seriousness. If a member gets treated with a public warning written in red, then so should a staff member because they're the same and it won't change anything. If staff go against each other, then you shouldn't hire staff that like to break the rules, or do the obvious thing and look at staff and members as humans, not animals that need to be slapped around with fish.

[Niko Bellic]

Yeah but wasn't that thread in the Spam Forum? So it doesn't really matter, correct? Stop trying to pick at every little thing about the moderators. If there were no moderators everyone will be breaking rules and no one will like the community because you'll get abused left right and centre. So don't go on about the moderators when you have no idea how hard their job is. ;)

[nvrspk4]

But a rogue staff member is just a staff member that is purposely breaking the rules continuously to annoy whoever hired them. You do get staff that will do it out of the blue, like an ordinary member, for no reason and it's accidental. This is because they're the same behaviour wise, except staff should be looked at with more seriousness. If a member gets treated with a public warning written in red, then so should a staff member because they're the same and it won't change anything. If staff go against each other, then you shouldn't hire staff that like to break the rules, or do the obvious thing and look at staff and members as humans, not animals that need to be slapped around with fish.

No, by rogue I mean for example someone who was hacked or someone who has gone on a spamming spree or something like that. There are fairly few who will do it nonstop, if they do there is a means to take care of that.

Staff are indeed looked at with more seriousness, that's why they're routed through a single person. I can decide when to be more strict and when to be just as strict as I would be with a member. Also I see every time a staff member gets in trouble, thus they're dealt with faster than a member might be. As far as the warning in red, it might have been for the title, if it wasn't as I said I could look into that for him ;)

[GommeInc]

No, by rogue I mean for example someone who was hacked or someone who has gone on a spamming spree or something like that. There are fairly few who will do it nonstop, if they do there is a means to take care of that.

Staff are indeed looked at with more seriousness, that's why they're routed through a single person. I can decide when to be more strict and when to be just as strict as I would be with a member. Also I see every time a staff member gets in trouble, thus they're dealt with faster than a member might be. As far as the warning in red, it might have been for the title, if it wasn't as I said I could look into that for him ;)
But as the argument is, they can't be dealt with immediately because they have to wait for a Staff Editor to come online. So no, they aren't dealt with, with more seriousness, because if they were their behavioured would be watched all the time, more so than members which as it is clear, one person who deals with staff vs. however many super mods and moderators to deal with members is kinda clear... Staff aren't dealt with as serious as anyone else.

Moving on to something slightly different. What if a member isn't going rogue but is having 'one of those moments' where they're just fed up with things? That's not being rogue, that's just having a moment of self-inflicted hatred for something. Staff can be rogue aswell as only have short term anger for something. Rogue is just that little bit more serious because it's the final straw if you will, where they decide enough is enough and go on a pointless spamming spree. As we now know, they won't be dealt with immediately because moderators aswell as super moderators cannot touch them, because it breaks the private, moderator rules. Unless this is where rule benind falls into play, which myself and many others are aware of this.

Also, is this about that ClubHabbo thing where they pretending to post a link to ClubHabbo but are actually linking to Habbox because theyve found out how to play with [url] tags? :P

[jesus]

Why do people argue about absolutely everything that happens on the forum? I honestly see it as pointless.

For example, here someone has made a thread saying that 'staff pwn' or something as part of a miniture 'project' if you like that's going on in the staff forums. Someone then makes a thread saying 'staff suck' and bad-mouthing all the staff, probably so he can get it removed and start an arguement in the feedback.

:S

[nvrspk4]

But as the argument is, they can't be dealt with immediately because they have to wait for a Staff Editor to come online. So no, they aren't dealt with, with more seriousness, because if they were their behavioured would be watched all the time, more so than members which as it is clear, one person who deals with staff vs. however many super mods and moderators to deal with members is kinda clear... Staff aren't dealt with as serious as anyone else.

Right, they can't be dealt with immediately. That doesn't mean that they're not dealt with. Trust me, I know that as soon as a member of staff breaks the rules, a hundred people jump to report it (and you'll have to trust me on this one because I can see the Post Reports, where six people will report the same thing as the person is staff but three posts down they won't have reported the member). Nearly every thing a staff member does is watched, with more vigilance because they get watched over as much as members do, actually more. All the Mods and Super Mods, if they see a staff problem, PM me. So every time they spot it (just as they would for members) it gets dealt with. Members, however, are extremely conscientious about reporting staff - because many members love to see staff get in trouble. So staff get placed under extra scrutiny (in addition to that, they often have the pleasure of being singled out in threads in this forum.) So no, Staff are under much more scrutiny than anyone else.


Moving on to something slightly different. What if a member isn't going rogue but is having 'one of those moments' where they're just fed up with things? That's not being rogue, that's just having a moment of self-inflicted hatred for something. Staff can be rogue aswell as only have short term anger for something. Rogue is just that little bit more serious because it's the final straw if you will, where they decide enough is enough and go on a pointless spamming spree. As we now know, they won't be dealt with immediately because moderators aswell as super moderators cannot touch them, because it breaks the private, moderator rules. Unless this is where rule benind falls into play, which myself and many others are aware of this.

No, it's moved to a forum (as I've explained before) where the public can no longer see it. This way, the post isn't altered (so we have all the proof) but its not harming the public either. Then the member can be dealt with.


Also, is this about that ClubHabbo thing where they pretending to post a link to ClubHabbo but are actually linking to Habbox because theyve found out how to play with [url] tags? :P

Yeah kind of :P Our staff are easily amused you see :P There's also a tad bit of an inside joke involved.

[CHA!NGANG]

Yeah kind of :P Our staff are easily amused you see :P There's also a tad bit of an inside joke involved.

I still don't get the joke though :(

[Decode]

So you got an infraction for saying "suck". Pathetic...

[The Professor]

So you got an infraction for saying "suck". Pathetic...

The infraction is called "insulting other forum members" and "staff suck" is insulting other forum members. I fail to see what's pathetic...

[GommeInc]

Right, they can't be dealt with immediately. That doesn't mean that they're not dealt with. Trust me, I know that as soon as a member of staff breaks the rules, a hundred people jump to report it (and you'll have to trust me on this one because I can see the Post Reports, where six people will report the same thing as the person is staff but three posts down they won't have reported the member). Nearly every thing a staff member does is watched, with more vigilance because they get watched over as much as members do, actually more. All the Mods and Super Mods, if they see a staff problem, PM me. So every time they spot it (just as they would for members) it gets dealt with. Members, however, are extremely conscientious about reporting staff - because many members love to see staff get in trouble. So staff get placed under extra scrutiny (in addition to that, they often have the pleasure of being singled out in threads in this forum.) So no, Staff are under much more scrutiny than anyone else.
So how comes they're not dealt with immediately :rolleyes: Moderators should be able to deal with them because they are just members with different roles in the community. If it means staff will attack other staff, then you remove the staff member who caused the first offense... What happens in the case of a staff member swearing continuously and only a moderator is available, is it left there? What if they swear in a thread created by a member? Does it get removed destroying evidence or edited which does near enough the same thing? Removing the thread surely isn't the option.


No, it's moved to a forum (as I've explained before) where the public can no longer see it. This way, the post isn't altered (so we have all the proof) but its not harming the public either. Then the member can be dealt with.
Makes sense, but what happen with posts in another persons in thread (like asked before)?


Yeah kind of :P Our staff are easily amused you see :P There's also a tad bit of an inside joke involved.
Share the joke damn it :(