Ireland - What side are you on?

[ToxicPaddy]

Hello all

Ireland is separated - Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
Should the whole island be an independent nation, or the whole island be part of the UK, or should it stay as it is? Being an Irish republican I want the whole island to be an independant republic. The IRA has been fighting for years to get the whole country as a united republic, but whats your opinion?

ToxicPaddy :D

[DJ-Ains.T]

I think it should just stay as it is. It isn't "cool" enough to be united =]

[ToxicPaddy]

I think it should just stay as it is. It isn't "cool" enough to be united =]

What do you mean it isn't cool enough?

[Pyroka]

I don't mind... I just think it's sad that the whole of Ireland would want to depart from the UK. It'd be sorely missed if I'm honest. It's sad seeing half of Ireland departing from the UK so losing N.IRE would suck. I'm not for it, but I'm not against it.

[DJ-Ains.T]

What do you mean it isn't cool enough?

1) Isnt big enough, meaning it doesn't have many major land marks.
2) It's seperated into 2 parts at the moment, how will they make that into one and then unite it. This will take ages.
3) It's Ireland! LOL! It's just the way it is :)

[ToxicPaddy]

1) Isnt big enough, meaning it doesn't have many major land marks.
2) It's seperated into 2 parts at the moment, how will they make that into one and then unite it. This will take ages.
3) It's Ireland! LOL! It's just the way it is :)

1) England isint big but it has many landmarks, and Ireland has some e.g dublin spire, aras an uachtarain etc

2) It will take some time but it will get there... probably..

3) Lol, some people like it the way it is but I don't aswell as around 3 million other irish republicans.

Also, could this trigger off the northern irish protestors again?

Edit - You say it would be sad for northern ireland to leave the UK but the country is an island itself, not connected to Britain, surely it has a right to be independent?

[DJ-Ains.T]

Most likely will!
UK is pretty big compaired to Ireland.
The UK has a far bigger population, very bigger.

[Ezzie.]

What the **** does that have to do with it Ains?
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On the subject though, i believe that ireland should cast a national vote on the subject, i'm not too bothered either way, would be nice to unify ireland again but.. it's such a damaged country.. i don't know if pulling out would be a fantastic idea?

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[ToxicPaddy]

What the **** does that have to do with it Ains?
Please .. leave the thread >.<

On the subject though, i believe that ireland should cast a national vote on the subject, i'm not too bothered either way, would be nice to unify ireland again but.. it's such a damaged country.. i don't know if pulling out would be a fantastic idea?

A national vote is a good idea but the country practically already knows the results, there's far many more people who want a republic. I haven't thought about the country voting before, good idea :)

[Breakfloor]

no, because your country would be able to deal with the gangs. if we cant, you cant.

have fun being kneecapped.

oh wait, you havent been because englands been against it.

[LoveHateHero]

I prefer it how it is, no reason for it just like it like this.

[Wootzeh]

Only thing I care about is the funny Irish jokes :D

[Dan2nd]

Like said before they should hold a vote and find out what the irish people want :)

[stratosphere2]

The sooner it's united the sooner everyone can sthu about it here. I don't care really :S

[Abbie.]

im a protestant in Northern Ireland

i do NOT want Ireland to be united.


Like said before they should hold a vote and find out what the irish people want :)

most of northern ireland dont want ireland to be united actually

[Breakfloor]

im a protestant in Northern Ireland

i do NOT want Ireland to be united.



most of northern ireland dont want ireland to be united actually

because without being nasty, the rest of ireland is.. not very nice. (thats a BIG understatement.) with all the gangs and all the civilians supporting these gangs and murders happening with none of them being followed up? the gangs are the police.

northern ireland isn't as bad because they know if they kill someone they will be taken STRAIGHT to prison.

[Abbie.]

yeah, id say Northern ireland is way better than the ROI

and people think Northern Ireland is really rough, but only certain parts are tbh

[ToxicPaddy]

yeah, id say Northern ireland is way better than the ROI

and people think Northern Ireland is really rough, but only certain parts are tbh

How come you don't want a United Ireland?

[stratosphere2]

I'm a protestant in Northern Ireland too, and agree it's rough in some places >_>

[Abbie.]

How come you don't want a United Ireland?

why would i want a united ireland?

i want to stay british, i dont want to be irish, and i dont want ROI ruling over us.

[stratosphere2]

why would i want a united ireland?

i want to stay british, i dont want to be irish, and i dont want ROI ruling over us.

Who says they're going to rule over us?

[Abbie.]

well if we become a united ireland, thats basically what it means

[ToxicPaddy]

why would i want a united ireland?

i want to stay british, i dont want to be irish, and i dont want ROI ruling over us.

The IRA would stop fighting the British if there was a United Ireland, also it is a different island so shouldn't it have a right to be united?

[Abbie.]

The IRA would stop fighting the British if there was a United Ireland, also it is a different island so shouldn't it have a right to be united?

Well the IRA are obv just (lol, i cant find a word to put it nicely) bad..

i just dont get why there has to be a united ireland, just no.. LOL if my dad was here, he'd be having a full argument about this

i really dont care.

[alexxxxx]

The IRA would stop fighting the British if there was a United Ireland, also it is a different island so shouldn't it have a right to be united?

The IRA have stopped fighting and even if they kept on going, the british government wouldn't let terrorists change their view.

northern ireland can unite with ireland at any time if they call a vote. It's in the good friday agreement.

[Abbie.]

;4679948']northern ireland can unite with ireland at any time if they call a vote. It's in the good friday agreement.

yup, but as you can see its out numbered

people would rather not have a united ireland :D.

[ToxicPaddy]

Well the IRA are obv just (lol, i cant find a word to put it nicely) bad..

i just dont get why there has to be a united ireland, just no.. LOL if my dad was here, he'd be having a full argument about this

i really dont care.

Lol I don't want to get into an argument about this, and I don't condone any of the IRA's actions such as the bombings, they shouldn't have done that.

And if Northern Ireland and the ROI had a vote, wouldnt it be the northern ireland outnumbered? The ROI has a greater population

[alexxxxx]

yup, but as you can see its out numbered

people would rather not have a united ireland :D.

I think Paddy has a distorted view. Ireland has a long history and there's no fighting now, (well none i am aware of), and therefore nothing should be done. We're practically united anyway, you can move to Ireland without any visa, as we're both EU nations. Though i've never been to Ireland, i'd like to go.

And to Paddy above,o the ROI wouldn't be able to vote Northern Ireland in, it'd be the other way round, Northern Ireland would have to vote themselves into Ireland (if the Irish want them).

[Abbie.]

Lol I don't want to get into an argument about this, and I don't condone any of the IRA's actions such as the bombings, they shouldn't have done that.

And if Northern Ireland and the ROI had a vote, wouldnt it be the northern ireland outnumbered? The ROI has a greater population

i could so easily have an argument right now, im so strongly against everything your saying lol..

and why would Northern Ireland and ROI have a joint vote when ROI is a republic and not part of Britain in the first place?

[JackBuddy]

Out of interest, if Ireland were to unite, would they be part of the UK again, and use the pound?

[ToxicPaddy]

Out of interest, if Ireland were to unite, would they be part of the UK again, and use the pound?

If Ireland was a United Republic than they would be independent and use the euro, and not part of the UK

And I don't want to make you angry sorry if I did its just a discussion :)

[Kevin]

Im from Dublin, Ireland. the IRA have taken it too far. the real heroc men were the ones of the 1916.

[ToxicPaddy]

Im from Dublin, Ireland. the IRA have taken it too far. the real heroc men were the ones of the 1916.

Yes I agree there :)

[lScottl]

ireland aint stealin any land from us

[Abbie.]

if they were to unite; which will never happen


it would not be part of the UK and we'd have to use Euros

[ToxicPaddy]

ireland aint stealin any land from us
Do you mean that as in 'They wouldn't dare take anything from us' or 'If they took NI they wouldn't really be taking anything?'

[alexxxxx]

Do you mean that as in 'They wouldn't dare take anything from us' or 'If they took NI they wouldn't really be taking anything?'
Mate, you're obviously very pro-united ireland, which i can understand. But many people living in Northern Ireland don't want to be part of Ireland (the majority), so it's unfair to do so.

[PaulMacC]

;4680473']Mate, you're obviously very pro-united ireland, which i can understand. But many people living in Northern Ireland don't want to be part of Ireland (the majority), so it's unfair to do so.
I love this topic, we learn about it all in history.
I would like a United Ireland though I think Ireland as a whole isnt ready for it, yet.

[Abbie.]

I love this topic, we learn about it all in history.
I would like a United Ireland though I think Ireland as a whole isnt ready for it, yet.

we do alot about it in History

i think both has its pros and cons

but atm, i think Northern Ireland being British is the best thing

[PaulMacC]

we do alot about it in History

i think both has its pros and cons

but atm, i think Northern Ireland being British is the best thing
Yes I agree with that, I think probably wont see a United Ireland in our lifetime.

[ToxicPaddy]

I understand about this not happening for a long time, this thread is just to discuss your opinion on it not to decide whether its going to happen or not.

[Lenta]

A lot of problems, wouldn't be happening with the IRA and Britain if not for Bloody Sunday.

[Virgin Mary]

I don't side with terrorists.

[ToxicPaddy]

I don't side with terrorists.

I'm reluctant to call them terrorists, but I do agree what they done was very wrong.

[alexxxxx]

I'm reluctant to call them terrorists, but I do agree what they done was very wrong.

So bombing and killing civilians is fine ye? This is what terrorists are, they don't have to wear turbans and come from the middle east, kay? They're no different to terrorists that bombed london 2 years ago. They are fighting for their 'land' back by bombing civilians.

[Nereo]

England should distance itself from "britain" and let Wales, scotland, N.I get on with its own stuff, its just a burden :D

[ToxicPaddy]

;4681590']So bombing and killing civilians is fine ye? This is what terrorists are, they don't have to wear turbans and come from the middle east, kay? They're no different to terrorists that bombed london 2 years ago. They are fighting for their 'land' back by bombing civilians.

Its your mind that automatically assumes that I think terrorists are people from the middle east who wear turbans. Like I said, its my opinion that they are not terrorists doesn't mean its right or its everyones opinion.

[Frodo13.]

There hasn't been any major problems for over 10 years. It's fine as it is.

[ToxicPaddy]

There hasn't been any major problems for over 10 years. It's fine as it is.

Not major problems in England, but remember the dublin riots in 2006?

[alexxxxx]

Its your mind that automatically assumes that I think terrorists are people from the middle east who wear turbans. Like I said, its my opinion that they are not terrorists doesn't mean its right or its everyones opinion.

But if you DO think that they are terrorists, then you're obviously boardering on extreme if you don't believe that the IRA are too... This is exactly the same as others, radicalised muslims don't see terrorists as terrorists, they see them as freedom fighters. The IRA TERRORIZED british people.

[ToxicPaddy]

;4682814']But if you DO think that they are terrorists, then you're obviously boardering on extreme if you don't believe that the IRA are too... This is exactly the same as others, radicalised muslims don't see terrorists as terrorists, they see them as freedom fighters. The IRA TERRORIZED british people.

The British terrorized the Irish in history, the potato famine for example Ireland had NO FOOD and the British just done nothing, let thousands of children and people die too, so is that acceptable?

[Frodo13.]

The British terrorized the Irish in history, the potato famine for example Ireland had NO FOOD and the British just done nothing, let thousands of children and people die too, so is that acceptable?

I'm sorry, but I think events that happened in the 19th Century are not valid today, as it's not a real representation of present Britain. We also had issues with USA at this time, but we don't hold grudges now do we? To the British governemt of that time, Ireland was a burden to them anyway.

If N.Ireland comes united with R.O.I, your only going to upset the Loyalists, which will create further problems. It's fine as it is.

[Abbie.]

LOL OMG

this ignorant chav came into my work last night like

'oh maaaa god, yer wearin green i thought dat was a celtic top!!!!1'

i just hate the way people are so ignorant no adays

what if i was a catholic? who actually cares

the problem is the chavs who just want to fight i think LOL

[contagious]

The British terrorized the Irish in history, the potato famine for example Ireland had NO FOOD and the British just done nothing, let thousands of children and people die too, so is that acceptable?

Can you honestly say that? The fact that Ireland itself was exporting the food to England despite the famine shows that they themselves didn't understand the gravity of the case? If anything, your exporters terrorized Ireland, not Britain. We didn't terrorize them, we just continued our business as usual.

Also, the IRA were terrorists, whether or not its your opinion; Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political or ideological goals.

[lScottl]

for god sake if the irish cared about any of this they would do something about it

this thread is very boring

[ToxicPaddy]

for god sake if the irish cared about any of this they would do something about it

this thread is very boring
If this thread is boring please don't comment on it. And the Irish are doing something about it, theres still some violence in NI nowadays (not as much though)


I'm sorry, but I think events that happened in the 19th Century are not valid today, as it's not a real representation of present Britain. We also had issues with USA at this time, but we don't hold grudges now do we? To the British governemt of that time, Ireland was a burden to them anyway.

If N.Ireland comes united with R.O.I, your only going to upset the Loyalists, which will create further problems. It's fine as it is.
The republicans in Ireland are upset nowadays what about them? Also I don't remember saying that what happened then is a representation of Britain today

[lScottl]

tbh if ireland tried to to any more than they are the uk would thrash em

[ToxicPaddy]

tbh if ireland tried to to any more than they are the uk would thrash em

America funded the IRA and America was in the Irish side when the IRA was about, so if it started it again, the US would be on the Irish side.

[Frodo13.]

The republicans in Ireland are upset nowadays what about them? Also I don't remember saying that what happened then is a representation of Britain today

You talk like it's only the Republicans that matter. To be honast, your never going to get a united Ireland because nobody gives enough off a damm to do anything dramatic anymore.

[Carello]

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aint gonna happen

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[contagious]

America funded the IRA and America was in the Irish side when the IRA was about, so if it started it again, the US would be on the Irish side.

America itself didn't fund Ireland, some citizens of America did.

[ToxicPaddy]

Carello, what do you know about my hair lol :S

And I don't mean to sound like its only the republic that matter, both countries matter of course :)

Could a mod close this thread please, I don't want to cause an argument or anything. I just wanted to see peoples opinions, and don't want anyone to think I'm arrogant or anything :)

[Niall!]

I think it should just stay as it is. It isn't "cool" enough to be united =]


1) Isnt big enough, meaning it doesn't have many major land marks.
2) It's seperated into 2 parts at the moment, how will they make that into one and then unite it. This will take ages.
3) It's Ireland! LOL! It's just the way it is :)

WHAT THE **** HAVE YOU GOT AGAINST IRELAND?!?!?

[womanizer]

Ive skimmed through the thread...

I live in Northern Ireland.. keep it the way it is? Northern Ireland as a part of the UK and the republic on it's own.

They tried to make Northern Ireland it's own country away from the rest of the UK and Ireland but it's too small to support a healthy economy and needs the mainland UK.

Also I've seen people saying prodestant and catholic.. the fighting is about nationality not religion. It's about a united ireland or seperated not what your religion is.

Also.. I like sterling, screw euros.

[lScottl]

America funded the IRA and America was in the Irish side when the IRA was about, so if it started it again, the US would be on the Irish side.

that was ******* ages ago so **** off would they

[ToxicPaddy]

that was ******* ages ago so **** off would they

didnt want to make you angry..

[Abbie.]

didnt want to make you angry..

u dont even LIVE in northern ireland

so your views are a bit blurred tbh

people are happy here tbh

[Jordy]

u dont even LIVE in northern ireland

so your views are a bit blurred tbh

people are happy here tbhIt doesn't matter if he doesn't live in Northern Ireland, it's doesn't even matter if he's never even been, he can know just as much, maybe more.

I've never even been on an aeroplane and I know hell loads about Aeroplane's compared to most people who've travelled the world on a plane.

[Abbie.]

It doesn't matter if he doesn't live in Northern Ireland, it's doesn't even matter if he's never even been, he can know just as much, maybe more.

I've never even been on an aeroplane and I know hell loads about Aeroplane's compared to most people who've travelled the world on a plane.

actually, id say it mattered quite alot whether he lived there or not.

[PaintYourTarget]

Someone once described the Weimar Republic as being built on a Volcano and I think the same can be applied to Ireland. Sure, it's a very unsteady peace atm built on a very volatile foundation and history, but it's still peace none the less. Why tamper with it?

But, on the other hand, you're from Kent mate?

[Abbie.]

Someone once described the Weimar Republic as being built on a Volcano and I think the same can be applied to Ireland. Sure, it's a very unsteady peace atm built on a very volatile foundation and history, but it's still peace none the less. Why tamper with it?

But, on the other hand, you're from Kent mate?

LOL i know that volcano quote off by heart from GCSE history


tbh, Weimar Germany is actually alot like ireland (sort of)

[PaintYourTarget]

LOL i know that volcano quote off by heart from GCSE history


tbh, Weimar Germany is actually alot like ireland (sort of)
Oh, how I hated GCSE history. Got an A though, score =]

[Abbie.]

like the IRA, like the Nazis went about trying to get into power the legal way, but with volence along the way

'we must hold our noses and enter the Reichtag' - Hitler

basically he knew the only way he'd ever get to power, was the legal way..

[ToxicPaddy]

Yes I was born in Kent, everyone in my family including parents are irish by birth and when my real dad left he went to Ireland so from the age of 0 to 3 we was there and back loads and loads so it was like having 2 homes. It just happened by chance I was born in Kent than Ireland

[lScottl]

tbh duz it really matter... any of this?

[YoManGo!]

my mother is a catholic from derry, and for the most part her family was from the republic. i think ireland should be one all-inclusive country; seperate from the uk. if scotland are pushing towards it i don't see why ireland shouldn't too.