end of xp in a month and 11 days? I think

[blanky12!]

yeah.

june 30th xp will end it's life.. :(

what do you think this effect will happen to the buisness?

[Breakfloor]

what do you mean? will they stop supporting it? i doubt it coz they still support 2000 and 98

[Recursion]

Its going off the shelves

[Breakfloor]

oh, its not the end of XP its the end of the XP sales.

[blanky12!]

what do you mean? will they stop supporting it? i doubt it coz they still support 2000 and 98
not sure witch os's are supported at the moment, microsoft are trying to get rid of most of the older ones

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Microsoft_to_finally_throw_XP_out_of_Windows_on_Ju ne_30/articleshow/3034540.cms

[HotelUser]

XP support terminated 2010. However Microsoft after this date shall continue supporting XP for UMPC and ULPC users.

[Recursion]

They will stop SUPPORTING it fairly soon though.

[brandon]

I recently downgraded from Vista to XP actually. Can't stand Vista.

[Breakfloor]

oh, in 2010 is fine ill probably have had 2 new computers by then.

[Lycan]

oh, in 2010 is fine ill probably have had 2 new computers by then.


Yeah and Vistas replacement will be out by then =)

[Recursion]

I recently downgraded from Vista to XP actually. Can't stand Vista.

How long did you give Vista a try for? :/

If rumors are true, Windows 7 will have ABSOLUTELY NO backwards compatibility, Microsoft want a clean slate.

[Jamesy]

I recently downgraded from Vista to XP actually. Can't stand Vista.

I dual boot :D

[Decode]

By 2010 windwos 7 will be out?

[blanky12!]

Windows 7 is expected to be released sometime in 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7

[brandon]

How long did you give Vista a try for? :/

At least 5/6 months. So please don't suggest that I am foolish enough to not try it out properly.


I dual boot :D
Yeah I was thinking about doing that. :)

[blanky12!]

as soon as I get my 2GB, is the minute I upgrade =)

[Recursion]

At least 5/6 months. So please don't suggest that I am foolish enough to not try it out properly.

Tried it with SP1?

Been fine for me so meh.

[blanky12!]

Trying vista SP1 with 512mb ram was fine as well :) just slightly lagy.

[Leetzgirl]

I dual boot, and i use vista as my main, and only use xp for programs that dont work, but is annoying since i cant find this driver for my wireless card :rolleyes:

[Recursion]

The XP drivers generally work in Vista...

[Flisker]

But Vista drivers dont work in XP ;)

[Redacted]

It wont have much effect, most computer's now have Vista built in, and Xp is running in the dark.

When Windows Vienna comes out, It will be just as popular, and this time in 4 years, Vista will be in the background :P

[Flisker]

Very true. And people will also be saying OMG I hate Vienna blah blah blah like they do with vista now.

[Leetzgirl]

The XP drivers generally work in Vista...

CAn you say that simplier,

Still dont get what your trying to say :P

[HotelUser]

I've just read they're now supporting until 2014. http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/107859

I remember XP being hated, it's just Vista's turn to be infamous.



They will stop SUPPORTING it fairly soon though.
it was 2 years, not fairly soon...now it's 6 years.



How long did you give Vista a try for? :/

If rumors are true, Windows 7 will have ABSOLUTELY NO backwards compatibility, Microsoft want a clean slate.


Then remind me not to get Windows 7 ;).






At least 5/6 months. So please don't suggest that I am foolish enough to not try it out properly.


Yeah I was thinking about doing that. :)


Vista's good depending on how good ones computer is. I've ran it on a 1.8Ghz, 1GB ram system and it was terrible. It works well, however, on my Duo core 2.0Ghz 2.5GB ram notebook. It's a resource hog, but I like it.



Trying vista SP1 with 512mb ram was fine as well :) just slightly lagy.


I hope you have a pagefile :D.

[GhostFace-]

XP > Vista

[Blinger1]

Vista's good depending on how good ones computer is. I've ran it on a 1.8Ghz, 1GB ram system and it was terrible. It works well, however, on my Duo core 2.0Ghz 2.5GB ram notebook. It's a resource hog, but I like it.

Are you joking? I am running Vista on a Intel Pentium M 740 / 1.6 GHz (uhh...?) cpu, 2gb RAM and it is more then fine, there is no problems at all.

[Klydo]

Microsoft make my stomach turn, they need to get back to pleasing customers rather than their accountants.

[Zaub]

I don't really mind that XP is going off the market. I've recently bought an iMac and my laptop is running Vista and it's just fine.

[Blinger1]

It is funny how a lot of people diss Microsoft yet i reckon about %90 use their products.. whether it is their OS or the Office Suit! or even Windows Live Messenger..

[HotelUser]

It is funny how a lot of people diss Microsoft yet i reckon about %90 use their products.. whether it is their OS or the Office Suit! or even Windows Live Messenger..


Microsoft never releases a good operating system the first time around. Nobody here is "dissing" Microsoft in general. They're disliking Vista, but still liking Microsoft Windows XP.

[Klydo]

Microsoft never releases a good operating system the first time around. Nobody here is "dissing" Microsoft in general. They're disliking Vista, but still liking Microsoft Windows XP.
I strongly dislike Microsoft. They shouldn't be where they are, they are all built upon stealing from Apple in the first place. Without Apple Microsoft most likely would never have existed.

The only reason 90% of people use Microsoft is just that - 90% of people use it. If all your friends and family are using it you most likely will too because it's easy to communicate. For example I am the only one in my entire town who uses Apple Mac, out of 2000 people only 1 person uses it. However it doesn't mean they love Microsoft, they just think they have to use their stuff as everyone else is.

The only thing I use that Microsoft made is Hotmail due to the fact I registered the account when I was pretty young and have kept it the whole time.

[MrPinkPanther]

Not true, I dont like the Mac OS as a whole, the hardware is good although its expensive but I cant help but feel OSX is just trying to look good. Yes Microsoft steal features etc and I hate that but at the end of the day in my opinion they are coming out with a better and more supported product so I buy it.

[GommeInc]

I strongly dislike Microsoft. They shouldn't be where they are, they are all built upon stealing from Apple in the first place. Without Apple Microsoft most likely would never have existed.

The only reason 90% of people use Microsoft is just that - 90% of people use it. If all your friends and family are using it you most likely will too because it's easy to communicate. For example I am the only one in my entire town who uses Apple Mac, out of 2000 people only 1 person uses it. However it doesn't mean they love Microsoft, they just think they have to use their stuff as everyone else is.

The only thing I use that Microsoft made is Hotmail due to the fact I registered the account when I was pretty young and have kept it the whole time.
It's called progress, Apple steals ideas and systems and Microsoft steals etc etc. You get it with the 3 main game consoles, Wii, PS3 and 360. The main reason Vista or any PC running Windows is so successful is that they do a hell of a lot more, run alot more, upgrade easier and cost alot less. You could say with a Mac you pay for quality, but I would rather pay for something a little cheaper which has minor issues, than a system which thinks deleting it's own OS is a good idea like my aunty's MacBook did, not to mention when they crash they win the gold medal for crashing. Also, you don't get annoying adverts from Windows/Microsoft while with Apple you get these outragiously crap adverts that lie and are aimed at stupid people. The adverts make it seem all laptops and PCs are made by Microsoft, and completely forget that all laptops are different depending on company. Not forgetting that Microsoft don't need to advertise, they'll always be popular as far as people can see.

[Recursion]

Vista is actually doing far better than XP did when it was first launched in terms of bugs and users.

[Jordy]

I strongly dislike Microsoft. They shouldn't be where they are, they are all built upon stealing from Apple in the first place. Without Apple Microsoft most likely would never have existed.

The only reason 90% of people use Microsoft is just that - 90% of people use it. If all your friends and family are using it you most likely will too because it's easy to communicate. For example I am the only one in my entire town who uses Apple Mac, out of 2000 people only 1 person uses it. However it doesn't mean they love Microsoft, they just think they have to use their stuff as everyone else is.

The only thing I use that Microsoft made is Hotmail due to the fact I registered the account when I was pretty young and have kept it the whole time.Yes and the same goes for you, Apple would no longer be here if it wasn't for Microsoft.

Remember in 1997 when your 'great', 'overpriced' company was almost bankrupt?

Was it Microsoft who decided to launch the best Office suite for Mac? Did they also buy shares and bring in money?

Macworld 97 ;)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY

[Stephen!]

Oh god XP's getting old we're all going to die.

Get over it.

(says the guy who's running XP haha)

[redtom]

I'm not too sure if I'll get window 10 or stay with XP it depends on the requirements and features, see if its worth it or not, like vista isn’t worth upgrading your computer to double the specs just for basically a graphical improvement.

(oh please don't say try vista its worth it, I had vista from november 06 (yes, I got it before public release) unitll around February/March 07 when i went back to XP.)

[Jordy]

I'm not too sure if I'll get window 10 or stay with XP it depends on the requirements and features, see if its worth it or not, like vista isn’t worth upgrading your computer to double the specs just for basically a graphical improvement.

(oh please don't say try vista its worth it, I had vista from november 06 (yes, I got it before public release) unitll around February/March 07 when i went back to XP.)You don't half plan ahead, Windows 10 will be around 2020-2025 :P

[Recursion]

I'm not too sure if I'll get window 10 or stay with XP it depends on the requirements and features, see if its worth it or not, like vista isn’t worth upgrading your computer to double the specs just for basically a graphical improvement.

(oh please don't say try vista its worth it, I had vista from november 06 (yes, I got it before public release) unitll around February/March 07 when i went back to XP.)

And how many updates have been released since March 07 and now? :rolleyes:

[blanky12!]

I'm not too sure if I'll get window 10 or stay with XP it depends on the requirements and features, see if its worth it or not, like vista isn’t worth upgrading your computer to double the specs just for basically a graphical improvement.

(oh please don't say try vista its worth it, I had vista from november 06 (yes, I got it before public release) unitll around February/March 07 when i went back to XP.)
vista is far better then xp... it's more stable..

and what tawm said, so many more updates.

[Klydo]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.

[GommeInc]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.
This post shows the ignorance of a fan boy. All systems crash, OSX is not better nor worse than Vista or XP, it's all opinion, no fact. What you said is aload of crap because:

Macs do crash, explain why I know someone who has a Mac and the OS deleted itself?

On Vista you rarely ever get viruses or spyware, I've not had any, only from when I've downloaded a torrent with them in.

I can't be bothered reply to the rest of utter rubbish you've mentioned, you get way better stuff on a PC, as you do with better stuff for a Mac. So go take your Mac and make ignorant love with it ;) I stick with this opinion:

If you're an idiot who is capable of getting viruses or errors, then get a Mac. If you're clever and have common sense, get a cheaper, decent PC with the same money as a Mac.

[Lycan]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.


Haha, that was quite funny. after seeing theese guys bicker over Vista and XP was nice to see someone attempt to make Mac software look good.

[Klydo]

This post shows the ignorance of a fan boy. All systems crash, OSX is not better nor worse than Vista or XP, it's all opinion, no fact. What you said is aload of crap because:

Macs do crash, explain why I know someone who has a Mac and the OS deleted itself?

On Vista you rarely ever get viruses or spyware, I've not had any, only from when I've downloaded a torrent with them in.

I can't be bothered reply to the rest of utter rubbish you've mentioned, you get way better stuff on a PC, as you do with better stuff for a Mac. So go take your Mac and make ignorant love with it ;) I stick with this opinion:

If you're an idiot who is capable of getting viruses or errors, then get a Mac. If you're clever and have common sense, get a cheaper, decent PC with the same money as a Mac.
Okay so how come when I attempted to install Vista onto a "VISTA READY" laptop it failed 7 times before it even installed. Then once it was all I got was constant problems involving common software such as Adobe CS3. I even lost all sound as the sound drivers wouldn't work. I ended up having to revert to XP the same day. Where as when I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard it was a 40 minute install and that was it. I could continue on where I left off. It was so easy that I actually done it during my Software Development class. Nothing works on Vista where as everything works on Leopard, even Vista!

There is just no competition now, Vista is trying so, so hard to be like Mac OS and it's failing so much.

[GommeInc]

Again, more rubbish. First off, installing Vista over XP is a bad idea, it rarely works. Did you bother getting the drivers for the sound card? Probably not.

Also, this "nothing works on Vista" rubbish you just came out with... Hmmm, I wonder how I have a fully working Firefox, oh and Sims 2, oh and adobe CS3. How is MSN working on here? Hmmm, something is wrong here because an ignorant Mac lvoer says none of this should be working. Hmmmm... Also, OS/X works on a PC, I believe it's a program called Hackintosh.

Vista is not trying to be like OS/X, what are these comparisons? Half the things Vista and OS/X use have been on Linux for ages or on Windows as plug-ins/hacks like the side bar on the right. You say there's no competition yet you compare the two still. You're a walking bag of contradictions ;)

There is competition, and Vista is winning. Mac OS/X got exploited in a competition through Safari, while Vista came second with an exploit in flash. Linux won because it's safer than both combined "/


Okay so how come when I attempted to install Vista onto a "VISTA READY" laptop it failed 7 times before it even installed. Then once it was all I got was constant problems involving common software such as Adobe CS3. I even lost all sound as the sound drivers wouldn't work. I ended up having to revert to XP the same day. Where as when I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard it was a 40 minute install and that was it. I could continue on where I left off. It was so easy that I actually done it during my Software Development class. Nothing works on Vista where as everything works on Leopard, even Vista!

There is just no competition now, Vista is trying so, so hard to be like Mac OS and it's failing so much.

[blanky12!]

Okay so how come when I attempted to install Vista onto a "VISTA READY" laptop it failed 7 times before it even installed. Then once it was all I got was constant problems involving common software such as Adobe CS3. I even lost all sound as the sound drivers wouldn't work. I ended up having to revert to XP the same day. Where as when I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard it was a 40 minute install and that was it. I could continue on where I left off. It was so easy that I actually done it during my Software Development class. Nothing works on Vista where as everything works on Leopard, even Vista!

There is just no competition now, Vista is trying so, so hard to be like Mac OS and it's failing so much.
thats why it took me 25mins without any problems to install windows vista clean.

[Jordy]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.You have a very weak and poor argument saying your a 'Million times' better and 'Windows sucks'. All this 'calling' of Windows users and grouping is unnecessary because we disagree with you in an argument. I'm not too much of a fan of Apple but I can recognise their strengths and respect your opinion. I'm a fan of iPods and iTunes, and I also think it's probably true Microsoft wouldn't be here with out Apple, they've contributed a lot to the world of computing.

So what if you can't get virus's? If all Windows users decided to purchase one of the better anti-virus's they'd never get a virus, fair enough it does cost a little to buy a anti-virus but you still save a lot more than buying a Mac.

Don't bother bringing performance into things, for the price of a Mac, you can always get a much much more powerful Windows computer and that is inevitable.

[GommeInc]

I also think it's probably true Microsoft wouldn't be here with out Apple, they've contributed a lot to the world of computing.
Actually, Microsoft saved Apple according to someone's post later on, they nearly went bankrupt. Should of let them in my opinion :P

[Jordy]

Actually, Microsoft saved Apple according to someone's post later on, they nearly went bankrupt. Should of let them in my opinion :Plol I was the one who posted that. From what I know, Microsoft most probably wouldn't be here with out Apple and Apple wouldn't be here with out Microsoft :P

[GommeInc]

lol I was the one who posted that. From what I know, Microsoft most probably wouldn't be here with out Apple and Apple wouldn't be here with out Microsoft :P
Shows how much I pay attention to names then, huh? :P

[redtom]

You don't half plan ahead, Windows 10 will be around 2020-2025 :P

Oops I ment 7 lol.


And how many updates have been released since March 07 and now? :rolleyes:

What? Can you explain what you mean? I was saying I don't think vista is worth it when you look at the features and requirements.


Damn double post I'll contact a mod.

Edited by Kaotix12 (Forum Moderator): Posts merged, please be more careful next time.

[Recursion]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.

My £800 rig (see sig) that runs Vista is gets alot more performance for the price. I would go for this over any ****** Mac. At least I can upgrade every component.

Funny, there are viruses, just not as many, there is spyware, just not as many, it does crash, you have to unplug it or some ****, not even a damn error screen to tell you whats wrong. And OSX does have BSOD equivalent.

Let me try and get 200FPS in Counter-Strike Source on an £800 iMac. I get 150 - 250FPS in CSS on my £800 rig that is better than a £1200 iMac. The only games Mac users see are ones Windows users have had for 4 years already.


Okay so how come when I attempted to install Vista onto a "VISTA READY" laptop it failed 7 times before it even installed. Then once it was all I got was constant problems involving common software such as Adobe CS3. I even lost all sound as the sound drivers wouldn't work. I ended up having to revert to XP the same day. Where as when I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard it was a 40 minute install and that was it. I could continue on where I left off. It was so easy that I actually done it during my Software Development class. Nothing works on Vista where as everything works on Leopard, even Vista!

There is just no competition now, Vista is trying so, so hard to be like Mac OS and it's failing so much.

Proof or it didn't happen? I have installed Vista countless times on different setups first time, no trouble, even in BETA 1,2 and the RCs.

The full Adobe CS3 suite has installed perfectly fine on my rig? No problems there, and I think you will find that most CS3 users haven't had problems.

Get the right drivers.

Wow, funny, Vista takes a week to optimize before it can run at full speed. Go try it again.

Vista installs in 20 minutes for me, In 40 minutes I am fully up and running with all my programs and drivers installed.

Funny, everything works on Vista for me, any problems I have had is because I am using a 64bit version of it, so I just go and use it on my laptop instead. Even OSX works on my rig!


I haven't met anyone with their head so far up their own *** as you in quite a few months! Congratulations! Now get the hell out of the Technology section if you are just going to troll with useless Macintosh arguments!

Edited by SyrupyMonkey (Forum Moderator): Please try to be polite to all members, thanks :)

[Firehorse]

My £800 rig (see sig) that runs Vista is gets alot more performance for the price. I would go for this over any ****** Mac. At least I can upgrade every component.

Funny, there are viruses, just not as many, there is spyware, just not as many, it does crash, you have to unplug it or some ****, not even a damn error screen to tell you whats wrong. And OSX does have BSOD equivalent.

Let me try and get 200FPS in Counter-Strike Source on an £800 iMac. I get 150 - 250FPS in CSS on my £800 rig that is better than a £1200 iMac. The only games Mac users see are ones Windows users have had for 4 years already.



Proof or it didn't happen? I have installed Vista countless times on different setups first time, no trouble, even in BETA 1,2 and the RCs.

The full Adobe CS3 suite has installed perfectly fine on my rig? No problems there, and I think you will find that most CS3 users haven't had problems.

Get the right drivers.

Wow, funny, Vista takes a week to optimize before it can run at full speed. Go try it again.

Vista installs in 20 minutes for me, In 40 minutes I am fully up and running with all my programs and drivers installed.

Funny, everything works on Vista for me, any problems I have had is because I am using a 64bit version of it, so I just go and use it on my laptop instead. Even OSX works on my rig!


I havn't met anyone with their head so far up their own *** as you in quite a few months! Congratulations! Now get the hell out of the Technology section if you are just going to troll with useless Macintosh arguments!


Good comeback :P

[DaveTaylor]

owned?

[blanky12!]

owned?
That was more then owned.

[Recursion]

I hate Fanboys and Trolls.

I'm expecting a bucket full of infractions now.

[DaveTaylor]

He is the definition of "Apple up the ****"

[Verrou]

I love XP ima buy Pro before it goes. ++ It's true Microsoft wouldn't be here without Apple because Bill Gates worked for Apple for a short time, and during that time, he stole the clickable icons and integrated them with Windows:O

[Recursion]

I swear it was Steve Jobs who worked for MS?

[Klydo]

Okay Microsoft fan boys, here's a pure fact. Bill Gates was a staff member at Apple who was later fired and stolen ideas and concepts from Apple to create Windows. So if it wasn't for Apple then your operating system would of never of existed. Also when Apple was going bust it was because of bad management, it was infact Steve Jobs who returned to Apple and saved them by creating the iPod. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Apple > Microsoft and everyone knows it. Even Windows developers use Mac OS to develop things like widgets and GUIs, just go to a Windows convention and you'll soon see.

[blanky12!]

Okay Microsoft fan boys, here's a pure fact. Bill Gates was a staff member at Apple who was later fired and stolen ideas and concepts from Apple to create Windows. So if it wasn't for Apple then your operating system would of never of existed. Also when Apple was going bust it was because of bad management, it was infact Steve Jobs who returned to Apple and saved them by creating the iPod. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Apple > Microsoft and everyone knows it. Even Windows developers use Mac OS to develop things like widgets and GUIs, just go to a Windows convention and you'll soon see.
LOL! Bill Gates invested $150M into Apple...

[DaveTaylor]

I swear it was Steve Jobs who worked for MS?

yes he did....

[Klydo]

LOL! Bill Gates invested $150M into Apple...
A lot less than what he stole in the first place. The only reason Bill Gates invests into Apple is to get friendly with them, otherwise he'd be completely left broke as he'd no longer have access to the latest ideas and projects.

It's not long before Microsoft will be knocked to the ground by a combination of Apple and Google. It's been long coming but will happen soon.

[Boonzeet]

Okay Microsoft fan boys, here's a pure fact.

Apple > Microsoft and everyone knows it. Even Windows developers use Mac OS to develop things like widgets and GUIs, just go to a Windows convention and you'll soon see.

Why are you calling us fan boys, you're a Mac fanboy?

Apple make overpriced junk. They glam everything up. Why buy an iPod for say 250 pounds when you can get a better mp3 player for 40 pounds?

Also, how many windows conventions have you been to?


A lot less than what he stole in the first place. The only reason Bill Gates invests into Apple is to get friendly with them, otherwise he'd be completely left broke as he'd no longer have access to the latest ideas and projects.

It's not long before Microsoft will be knocked to the ground by a combination of Apple and Google. It's been long coming but will happen soon.

You said he stole ideas, not money. Please keep with the tenses, he INVESTED not invests. Why would Google merge with something? It's rich and sucessful as it is.

Also, Microsoft takes a step ahead with their Microsoft Surface.

I love that article though, "XP will seize to exist." Cease.

[DaveTaylor]

Why are you calling us fan boys, you're a Mac fanboy?

Apple make overpriced junk. They glam everything up. Why buy an iPod for say 250 pounds when you can get a better mp3 player for 40 pounds?

Also, how many windows conventions have you been to?



You said he stole ideas, not money. Please keep with the tenses, he INVESTED not invests. Why would Google merge with something? It's rich and sucessful as it is.

Also, Microsoft takes a step ahead with their Microsoft Surface.

I agree with overpriced but not junk, and also the iPod statement isn't correct

[Klydo]

Why are you calling us fan boys, you're a Mac fanboy?

Apple make overpriced junk. They glam everything up. Why buy an iPod for say 250 pounds when you can get a better mp3 player for 40 pounds?

Also, how many windows conventions have you been to?



You said he stole ideas, not money. Please keep with the tenses, he INVESTED not invests. Why would Google merge with something? It's rich and sucessful as it is.

Also, Microsoft takes a step ahead with their Microsoft Surface.

I love that article though, "XP will seize to exist." Cease.
I don't have to go to them, simply watch them online. Also if I'm a Mac fan boy then you are a Micky fanboy, simple as. Apple price their products perfectly. Sure the original product is highly priced however software and OS are extremely cheap. You are more likely to spend more money filling a Windows computer than you are a Mac. For instance the Vista Ultimate is $319 from the Microsoft website while Mac OS X Leopard is only $129 from the Apple website. There alone you're saving hundreds, and before anyone says "the Home edition is cheaper" the fact of the matter is Mac OS X is the full edition, which Ultimate is so they compare. Even the Home edition if more expensive and it's limited.

[Firehorse]

I feel more at home using windows, partly because i've used it all my life and macs feel very cheap when you use them, the clicks and the mouse are all kind of 'bubbly'

I think they'd sell better if they put a toy computer in the same case. Why not? It'd still look expensive and top class.

The point is mac users are mostly show offs, the people who use them for design work say they're better. They're no better than a windows, you can get the same software almost all the time, there's much more for windows.

Also the depreciation of macs are incredible, a windows will last you a good deal longer too as it isn't as limited as a mac.

[Recursion]

Apple is like a fasion statement, but a fake version of a great brand. Like Gucci, fashion icon but you get the fake ones don't you?

Out of 10,000 mac users taking a servey, 86% of them were gay or bisexual ;)

[Jordy]

There's no point arguing with him, he doesn't even have the maturity to respect what we're saying. Not only that but everytime someone proves him wrong he moves onto a new 'Point' and then has the cheek to call people MS Fan boys?

Google would never begin a large partnership with anyone, they're friendly with everyone just so they get their own way. If they made tie's with Apple it could halt a Google OS in the future, Google just can't risk chucking away MS Users and limiting it's future.

Hardly anyone has a legal version of Vista Ultimate anyway so it's unfair to include it. It's only $319 for an upgrade anyway, it's much cheaper when you buy or build a computer which is what over 90% of users do.

[Firehorse]

Apple is like a fasion statement, but a fake version of a great brand. Like Gucci, fashion icon but you get the fake ones don't you?

Out of 10,000 mac users taking a servey, 86% of them were gay or bisexual ;)

Also you'll find that mac users always are the type of people who will keep trying to convince you they know best. A science teacher in my school has one and an argument has been going on between him and me for months. He went so far as to glue MAC to my work!

Basically they'll do anything to defend the reputation of macs.

Take a look at a macbook, the shiny plastic is the same plastic used for shampoo bottles only slightly thicker and more rigid. It's cheap made to look expensive, if you drop it thats the end.

[Recursion]

There are actually 2 or 3 screws on the bottom of the MacBook which are there to reassure you, they don't actually serve any purpose, that is why MacBooks are so flimsey on one side.

[Firehorse]

There are actually 2 or 3 screws on the bottom of the MacBook which are there to reassure you, they don't actually serve any purpose, that is why MacBooks are so flimsey on one side.

I remember the last time I went to an apple store I opened a macbook and almost snapped the screen in doing so :D

Thats how flimsy they are!

[blanky12!]

Look at the macbook air? NO CD DRIVE you need to BUY an addon cd drive!

while I have a laptop not near that spec but it HAS a CD DRIVE

[DaveTaylor]

Klydo, read please:

The arguments which you have presented are quite, well pathetic, yes Steve Jobs and Microsoft have a past, the fact was Bill Gates and Steve Jobs started Microsoft together later with Steve Jobs leaving to create Apple, Bill Gates helped fund Apple because you can't start a business out of no where can you? Think logically. You said that security on OSX is far better than Windows Vista, ok truthfully on my part it is for and for most daily use, however in the business sector, isn't honestly true, did you hear of the PWN2OWN, obviously not, due to the fact OSX was the first to fall, yes it was due to emulation, however there wasn't a hack on Vista which could be as lethal as that (yet). If it wasn't for the Intel movement a couple of years ago you most likely wouldn't be sitting on a Apple Mac either as they will losing alot of cash, and even due to there "Green Apple" concept they are still overpriced, yes they are good sturdy machines but expensive, considering my PC cost me £667, as with my eMac two-three years ago just topped the £1000 mark, you mentioned the Vista cost as well, yes I have to agree that is it true Vista is alot more expensive, but your blindness overlooked the fact that well OSX is unix, open source, I am sure this is common knowledge as well with Vista, it's obvious to anyone it's not. Ok I have a mac myself and yes I agree they are great machines but you have to remember there are a lot of issues with them, alot of stuff isn't compatible, hence a good reason again they moved to intel, they have good products and have the market sowed up with iPods. You basically need to open your eyes and realise your speaking out your ***, as general I think you have a apple stuck there at this moment in time.


Edit: At the above, the whole Macbook Air was actually a beginning to a new market, if you haven't heard the latest rumors I think you should look them up, the whole concept of the Air was for business men to use on flights etc, however a general user can't really afford it, the business would probably have to fund it, which is what Apple where aiming for.

[Klydo]

Apple pwn, Microsoft don't. I winz... It's all jealousy on the Microsoft owners behalf, unless you have a Mac you won't like them as you can't get one. That's all I have to say. Quit being jealous and save up your pocket money to buy one :D

[Recursion]

Klydo, read please:

The arguments which you have presented are quite, well pathetic, yes Steve Jobs and Microsoft have a past, the fact was Bill Gates and Steve Jobs started Microsoft together later with Steve Jobs leaving to create Apple, Bill Gates helped fund Apple because you can't start a business out of no where can you? Think logically. You said that security on OSX is far better than Windows Vista, ok truthfully on my part it is for and for most daily use, however in the business sector, isn't honestly true, did you hear of the PWN2OWN, obviously not, due to the fact OSX was the first to fall, yes it was due to emulation, however there wasn't a hack on Vista which could be as lethal as that (yet). If it wasn't for the Intel movement a couple of years ago you most likely wouldn't be sitting on a Apple Mac either as they will losing alot of cash, and even due to there "Green Apple" concept they are still overpriced, yes they are good sturdy machines but expensive, considering my PC cost me £667, as with my eMac two-three years ago just topped the £1000 mark, you mentioned the Vista cost as well, yes I have to agree that is it true Vista is alot more expensive, but your blindness overlooked the fact that well OSX is unix, open source, I am sure this is common knowledge as well with Vista, it's obvious to anyone it's not. Ok I have a mac myself and yes I agree they are great machines but you have to remember there are a lot of issues with them, alot of stuff isn't compatible, hence a good reason again they moved to intel, they have good products and have the market sowed up with iPods. You basically need to open your eyes and realise your speaking out your ***, as general I think you have a apple stuck there at this moment in time.


Edit: At the above, the whole Macbook Air was actually a beginning to a new market, if you haven't heard the latest rumors I think you should look them up, the whole concept of the Air was for business men to use on flights etc, however a general user can't really afford it, the business would probably have to fund it, which is what Apple where aiming for.

Owned much?

[Klydo]

Owned much?
Jealous much?

[Recursion]

Mod, please merge.

Klydo, I could have bought an £800 MacBook for Christmas, infact, i almost did, then i saw sense and got my Windows machine.

[Klydo]

Mod, please merge.

Klydo, I could have bought an £800 MacBook for Christmas, infact, i almost did, then i saw sense and got my Windows machine.
Jealous much?

[DaveTaylor]

I have a mac, Actually I have two, no wait, my family has 4, and I still use a PC

[GommeInc]

Apple pwn, Microsoft don't. I winz... It's all jealousy on the Microsoft owners behalf, unless you have a Mac you won't like them as you can't get one. That's all I have to say. Quit being jealous and save up your pocket money to buy one :D
I could buy 5 if I wanted to, by choice I don't "/ How can you be jealous of an OS? It's not special. Someone is a bit too narrow minded for his own good.

[Klydo]

All so jealous :)

[GommeInc]

Nope, not jealous. I prefer Vista, notice the word prefer - preference. So no I am not jealous, Macs don't do what I like and Vista is good for me, if you can't accept that and use the word jealous then you need a ruddy good whack round the face to make you see sense :rolleyes: Vista/Windows play all my games, Macs won't, it doesn't have all the games in Mac version :rolleyes:

[Recursion]

I had a second chance to get a MacBook a few days ago but turned it down for a windows laptop.

[DaveTaylor]

All so jealous :)
Read my post you narrow-minded inbred I have 2 macs.

[GommeInc]

Read my post you narrow-minded inbred I have 2 macs.
Yay someone said it for me :D

[DaveTaylor]

Yay someone said it for me :D

I swear his parents must be brother and sister or something, as yes my family as 4 apple machines and I still use Vista/XP as it's superior for certain needs.

[Stephen!]

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.

Performance? Are you talking about the OS or the hardware?

[iFuseDan]

Klydo,

Just got an almost unrelated question here, are you male or female?

Kind Regards,

[Stephen!]

Oh come on. We all have our own opinions. I choose Windows because I like to game. Why did you choose Mac?

[HotelUser]

This is my $00.02:D!



Apple pwn, Microsoft don't. I winz... It's all jealousy on the Microsoft owners behalf, unless you have a Mac you won't like them as you can't get one. That's all I have to say. Quit being jealous and save up your pocket money to buy one :D



I don't think you've given Windows a fair shot either to be totally truthful. Personally, I've used both OSes, and Windows I prefer.



I don't have to go to them, simply watch them online. Also if I'm a Mac fan boy then you are a Micky fanboy, simple as. Apple price their products perfectly. Sure the original product is highly priced however software and OS are extremely cheap. You are more likely to spend more money filling a Windows computer than you are a Mac. For instance the Vista Ultimate is $319 from the Microsoft website while Mac OS X Leopard is only $129 from the Apple website. There alone you're saving hundreds, and before anyone says "the Home edition is cheaper" the fact of the matter is Mac OS X is the full edition, which Ultimate is so they compare. Even the Home edition if more expensive and it's limited.


But a iMac is thousands of dollars with a Duo processor. PCs are less than ONE thousand dollars with a quad core.



A lot less than what he stole in the first place. The only reason Bill Gates invests into Apple is to get friendly with them, otherwise he'd be completely left broke as he'd no longer have access to the latest ideas and projects.

It's not long before Microsoft will be knocked to the ground by a combination of Apple and Google. It's been long coming but will happen soon.


This wont happen. May I please ask politely where you're getting your information from? You hate Windows with a passion, but with no evidence to support your statements. Gates couldn't care less about what the boys over at Apple think of him.

Microsoft will live, their marketing schemes are genius. Google...indexing features...MacOS...indexing features. Vista is accused of taking this from MacOS? MacOS and Vista took these both from someone else. MacOS is also guilty of taking ideas from others as well.



LOL! Bill Gates invested $150M into Apple...


Gates made it a habit of his, to invest in companies that sued him :D.



Okay Microsoft fan boys, here's a pure fact. Bill Gates was a staff member at Apple who was later fired and stolen ideas and concepts from Apple to create Windows. So if it wasn't for Apple then your operating system would of never of existed. Also when Apple was going bust it was because of bad management, it was infact Steve Jobs who returned to Apple and saved them by creating the iPod. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Apple > Microsoft and everyone knows it. Even Windows developers use Mac OS to develop things like widgets and GUIs, just go to a Windows convention and you'll soon see.


Oh dear, no this isn't true. Gates worked for Apple as a developer and got into arguments with management, it was never proven that he stole their source (though it's most likely), he didn't want anything to do with Apple anymore. Gates had the same thing Apple did, and made it better. Only 3 out of 50 users use a Mac, even less use the MacOS. All of the users using Windows are using it for a reason. As long as we don't do something irrational, Windows will function

Source: http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-187426.html

DOS had nothing to do with Apple, our "little operating system" would have still existed ;).



Actually, Microsoft saved Apple according to someone's post later on, they nearly went bankrupt. Should of let them in my opinion :P

Microsoft needs competition, although MacOS isn't as popular as Windows, it still motivates Microsoft for someone to beat out. Without competition Windows would not be as it is today.



Okay so how come when I attempted to install Vista onto a "VISTA READY" laptop it failed 7 times before it even installed. Then once it was all I got was constant problems involving common software such as Adobe CS3. I even lost all sound as the sound drivers wouldn't work. I ended up having to revert to XP the same day. Where as when I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard it was a 40 minute install and that was it. I could continue on where I left off. It was so easy that I actually done it during my Software Development class. Nothing works on Vista where as everything works on Leopard, even Vista!

There is just no competition now, Vista is trying so, so hard to be like Mac OS and it's failing so much.


Most users use Windows, and with XP on the road to death most users will use Vista. I installed Vista in less than an hour on 3 machines. None of which received a single error message. Vista doesn't ship with a dock and "finder", or many other things. Vista's not trying to be like Leopard at all- there's no need to.



Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.


I find this review very one faced. MacOS does have positive qualities, however it has poor qualities too. You can get lag on Mac OS X. MacOS has few advantages when it comes to gaming. The best Mac system is a duo core, and is twice the price of a quad core PC (if you didn't like Windows to that extent you can ALWAYS use Ubuntu, spending an extra $1,000 isn't necessary). The virus advantage can be justified too. Windows Onecare takes care of Vista user's systems, and Trend Micro or AVG is sufficient too. With these your computer is protected. I've not received a BSOD in years and years. You need to use bootcamp or parallels to play Flight Simulator. The software cannot be better if it doesn't exist.





vista is far better then xp... it's more stable..

and what tawm said, so many more updates.


Depending on what one's intentions are with a computer, is a factor when it comes to operating system.


And how many updates have been released since March 07 and now?


I tend to agree with you. SP1 makes a tremendous improvement!


Vista is actually doing far better than XP did when it was first launched in terms of bugs and users.


agreed, in-fact with a tool called vlite, one can slim down Vista, and run it on less powerful systems.



Not true, I don't like the Mac OS as a whole, the hardware is good although its expensive but I cant help but feel OSX is just trying to look good. Yes Microsoft steal features etc and I hate that but at the end of the day in my opinion they are coming out with a better and more supported product so I buy it.


I agree that Microsoft use very interesting marketing schemes.Seek and destroy so to speak. I don't have a problem with it, it's interesting to read about the numerous law suits Microsoft has pending.


I strongly dislike Microsoft. They shouldn't be where they are, they are all built upon stealing from Apple in the first place. Without Apple Microsoft most likely would never have existed.Gates and Allen made 20,000 USD when teens, from designing a San Fransisco traffic reporting application. It would have existed, and very successful, although some of the most basic functions of Windows wouldn't be implemented until later if at all.


The only reason 90% of people use Microsoft is just that - 90% of people use it. If all your friends and family are using it you most likely will too because it's easy to communicate. For example I am the only one in my entire town who uses Apple Mac, out of 2000 people only 1 person uses it. However it doesn't mean they love Microsoft, they just think they have to use their stuff as everyone else is.I'm sorry, but I doubt 1/2000 people in your town use a Mac. Most people use Windows because it's cheaper, and does the job well. Microsoft getting IBM was smart too, when MacOS just used Apple alone.

[Stephen!]

Wow that's the best post i've ever seen

[Recursion]

Repped.

I actually hate the fact that Apple just REMOVED of Microsoft and its products in EVERY advert they do, I am extremely surprises Microsoft let them do it to be honest.

.... stupid filter :|

Edited by jesus (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not avoid the language filter.

[GommeInc]

Repped.

I actually hate the fact that Apple just REMOVED of Microsoft and its products in EVERY advert they do, I am extremely surprises Microsoft let them do it to be honest.

.... stupid filter :|
Microsoft don't want to justify their stupidity. Apple is a company run by two year olds while Microsoft has adults, they just take the high ground and laugh at them :P

[lew!]

Loool, Everyone getting in a proper debate over two different computers.

Every operating system has advantages and disadvantages..
dont even say
"no mac is all advantage windows is all disadvantage"

There may be some good points to macs, but theres good points about windows too.

Personally i only like the look of the Macs because theyre modern and sleek.

[Firehorse]

The reason mac advertise is because it needs to, if it didn't it would be forgotten because they are rubbish. The only reason people buy them is because of the adverts. By making windows look bad people think macs are better. Get this, advertising is MADE to make you think they are better. All this rubbish of they are better for media is pure nonsense.

[HotelUser]

The reason mac advertise is because it needs to, if it didn't it would be forgotten because they are rubbish. The only reason people buy them is because of the adverts. By making windows look bad people think macs are better. Get this, advertising is MADE to make you think they are better. All this rubbish of they are better for media is pure nonsense.


Actually some people purchase Macs because they like how they look, they want security upon purchase, they hate Windows, they want to have a different computer than friends, etc.. Though I agree with you about the adds, claiming that "Macs are better for gaming and office"I found, (and yes, I use MacOS and Windows) that the compatibility for Macs wasn't good. It's called Microsoft Office because Microsoft made it. I believe Microsoft wind the office round. As for games I was very disappointed to discover that many games didn't function while using MacOS. Flight Simulator, MapleStory, etc..You're also correct about Media. Though MacOS is good for media, Windows is equally good. The Mac advertisements are irrational. Windows does advertice abit but doesn't really need to, as HP, IBM, Acer, ASUS and so on do so for them.

[Recursion]

I actually went into a Media suite at school today, on the new iMacs, not that old, a month or two, all running Leopard with respectable specs, and don't get me wrong, its a nice OS but only when it wasn't crashing.

Garageband was over rated and ended up using other software to make the music, The only good bit was when I used the Adobe Products.

[Firehorse]

I actually went into a Media suite at school today, on the new iMacs, not that old, a month or two, all running Leopard with respectable specs, and don't get me wrong, its a nice OS but only when it wasn't crashing.

Garageband was over rated and ended up using other software to make the music, The only good bit was when I used the Adobe Products.

And the thing that people keep getting wrong is that adobe is not just for mac and the people that get this in their heads think it is and get all wound up about it. Also isn't it annoying that you have to press a button on the keyboard to right click all the time?

[Nick.]

And the thing that people keep getting wrong is that adobe is not just for mac and the people that get this in their heads think it is and get all wound up about it. Also isn't it annoying that you have to press a button on the keyboard to right click all the time?
Not really, just go into the Mouse settings panel and change the right click on the mouse to Secondary Click, as I have done?
http://img.skitch.com/20080522-8a1y4484qjmys2ncu4m5ktexrx.png

Also, Apple don't advertise because they are worried of being forgotten and are rubbish. I doubt the company that made the iPod, a well known name, would be forgotten. I agree Mac's have their disadvantages and so do Window's PC's. I just don't understand why some Windows users hate Mac's so much, if you don't like them don't use them. Simple as. I love them, that's why I own one.

[Boonzeet]

I personally love them both really...

I love Macs because of the speed and that awesome dock at the bottom.

I use Windows because I am familliar with the software, and programs I use like RPG Maker VX/XP are only for windows.

I don't know why Windows users hate Macs.

I don't know why Macs users hate Windows.


Also if I'm a Mac fan boy then you are a Micky fanboy, simple as

Actually, no. Because I don't rant at every other operating system. I just stood up for windows because of your arrogancy. I don't rave about windows, to be honest both of them can be SO much better.

[Firehorse]

Not really, just go into the Mouse settings panel and change the right click on the mouse to Secondary Click, as I have done?
http://img.skitch.com/20080522-8a1y4484qjmys2ncu4m5ktexrx.png

Also, Apple don't advertise because they are worried of being forgotten and are rubbish. I doubt the company that made the iPod, a well known name, would be forgotten. I agree Mac's have their disadvantages and so do Window's PC's. I just don't understand why some Windows users hate Mac's so much, if you don't like them don't use them. Simple as. I love them, that's why I own one.

That must be pretty new because all the macs I use don't have that. Take a look at the macbooks, the mouse only has one button.

[Nick.]

That must be pretty new because all the macs I use don't have that. Take a look at the macbooks, the mouse only has one button.
Been there since 10.1 AFAIK

[Fehm]

i dont like Vista. I really dont. But i hope they do still keep supporting XP :) but they still support 98 - 2000 dont they?

In fact PC world fixed my laptop from 1996 lmao

[Firehorse]

i dont like Vista. I really dont. But i hope they do still keep supporting XP :) but they still support 98 - 2000 dont they?

In fact PC world fixed my laptop from 1996 lmao

They stopped supporting 98 and 2000 when xp sp1 came out. PC world fixed your computer as they made money out of it; they are nothing to do with vista, all they do is sell it.

[HotelUser]

They stopped supporting 98 and 2000 when xp sp1 came out. PC world fixed your computer as they made money out of it; they are nothing to do with vista, all they do is sell it.


Incorrect. Windows 98's support was ended mid-2006. Windows 2000 is still supported, and shall continue to be supported until 2010.

[William93]

Mac OS X is a million times better than Vista or XP. There is no competition between them. No viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen. Just face it, if it's Windows it sucks and sucks bad. Before you try and say "You don't get the same software for Mac", exactly you get lot better stuff. For example you don't get an Panic software for Windows. Without Panic I wouldn't be able to live. The only thing Windows has that Apple doesn't is users.

If you can't afford a Mac then that's your own fault not the people who can afford quality and performance.

I'm probably very late, but never the less...
Since according to you that the Mac OS X has no viruses, no spyware, no crashing, no lag, no errors and no blue screen, then can you explain this ... http://www.macfixit.com/ (http://www.macfixit.com/?) ?

Oh look. A Mac support site where users post their problems with their Macs.