Why did the Throne rise SO much

[no waiii]

I remember when the Throne was 20Hc, WHY did Habbox raise the price there is still the Same amount of throne on the Hotel as there was when it was 20Hc, Mabey even more! Its not like the was a HUGE demand for them as you could easily get them. i have no idea why Habbox raised the price to 50+ hc's

[addiction]

cos the rares values manager had loads to sell

[Leetzgirl]

It becasue Habbox only check on what people trade it for, so people are trading it for more, therefore, people started to sell more and more.

[no waiii]

cos the rares values manager had loads to sell

Lol, this reason sadly is probley true.
Like a while back the throne was around 40 the rockets up to 60hc Thats a big profit if you bough quite a few.

But why would people trade for more if they know that someone is Obv. selling less than them so that would keep the Throne around its price of 20Hc
These "Values" are based on what the Rare Value "Reporters" want there rare to be worth.

[AgnesIO]

Oh FOR **** SAKE STOP TALKING OUT YOUR *****.

What a load of ******** 'Coz the rare values manager has loads to sell' you have no ******* clue what goes on behind the scenes. i was a RVR for a short ammount of time and if you like you can sit in trade city just to see habbox's reporters looknig up values!

Immenseman (The rare values manager) does NOT have loads of thrones and if you think habbox is so bad go to HHGS but i suppose you think they do the same?!

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And in answer to your question: The reason thrones have rose so much, is because people that own throens realised they could sell them for more and people are willnig to pay it.

if everyone refused to pay the ridiculous price that they are, then they would fall (That would be my paradise!)

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Unless you have been a rare Value Reporter then don't blother flaming the staff, as they work extremely hard on keeping habbos up to date on values. Without habbox or HHGS (Mainly habbox imo) the trading world would go mad.

INFACT i would love to see some of you do a better job, than the current staff.

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People that just accused habbox of making up values, have just embarresed yourselves and habbox's community.

[addiction]

remved cos i dnt want an infraction...

[jesus]

eatcheese is hogging them all.

[Leetzgirl]

To above,
Spam or pointless much? ^_^

[Rixion]

Rly being stupid when saying RVRs and manager make it up. They simply say what they see. -.-

So you should be flaming the public not the staff.

[AgnesIO]

eatcheese is hogging them all.

That's your answer to all the threads aint it mate? :P


To above,
Spam or pointless much? ^_^

He was joking. He is eatcheese and the fact he has around 300 thrones is a fair reason :P


Rly being stupid when saying RVRs and manager make it up. They simply say what they see. -.-

So you should be flaming the public not the staff.

True, true, and well er TRUE!

[--ss--]

Because everyone who has a throne wants to get the most they can for them when selling so the buyers are forced to pay a bit more and so on.
There's nothing wrong from gaining a few hcs in profit in every trade.

[no waiii]

Immenseman (The rare values manager) does NOT have loads of thrones and if you think habbox is so bad go to HHGS but i suppose you think they do the same?!Were did i say that Immenseman had loads of Thrones ?


eatcheese is hogging them all.
LOL


Because everyone who has a throne wants to get the most they can for them when selling so the buyers are forced to pay a bit more and so on.
There's nothing wrong from gaining a few hcs in profit in every trade.But How did it get to from 20hc - 52hc i dont think people were looking for that much Proffit.


Rly being stupid when saying RVRs and manager make it up. They simply say what they see. -.-

So you should be flaming the public not the staff.You don't know for a fact that this dose not happen sometimes.

[AgnesIO]

Were did i say that Immenseman had loads of Thrones ?


LOL

But How did it get to from 20hc - 52hc i dont think people were looking for that much Proffit.

You don't know for a fact that this dose not happen sometimes.

Yes he does.

[Malky]

Have you notcied it's ever since credits have came out? It's probably someone sold theirs for 600 credits, and then another person took 600 credits and changed it into HCs with the old values? But really, I have no clue.

[Soy]

cos the rares values manager had loads to sell
I agree, because there's no real logical reason for why it has rised so dramatically through-out the years.

And to be honest it's Habbo's fault for not having a set price for rares

[jesus]

Have you notcied it's ever since credits have came out? It's probably someone sold theirs for 600 credits, and then another person took 600 credits and changed it into HCs with the old values? But really, I have no clue.Good suggestion! It was about 150 credits per throne a while back (before you could trade credits) and now it went up to 700 at one point or something stupid. +rep for you anyway!

[Immenseman]

cos the rares values manager had loads to sell

I would love to have loads of thrones to sell, sadly I don't. I'm sure you were joking but clearly some other users thought you were telling the truth and pounced upon your comment because they can't see a logical reason for why the throne has increased so of course there must be one person to blame! :rolleyes:


Lol, this reason sadly is probley true.

Not quite, dear. I think you need to stop looking for someone to blame and face the obvious. This hasn't happened over a number of months, it's happened over years. Well since it was around 20hc anyway, that was in 2006, it's now 2008. The throne has gradually increased since it was given out on ione's birthday in 2002.

You can see in early 2004, it had already increased to 11.3hc: http://web.archive.org/web/20040207015627/www.habbox.com/rv.htm
In a few months it had risen to 19hc
http://web.archive.org/web/20040625204342/www.habbox.com/rv.htm
Mid way in 2005 it was still 19hc
http://web.archive.org/web/20050620004136/http://habbox.com/
A year later it has risen to 29hc
http://web.archive.org/web/20060704011805/www.habbox.com/site/content/view/73/94/
Another year later 2007 it was 39hc
http://web.archive.org/web/20070702184801/www.habbox.com/site/content/view/73/218/

So from 2004-2006 a 2 year gap it had almost tripled in value. However, from 2006-2008 another 2 year gap it hasn't even doubled really. I think that's proof enough that the thrones has pretty much always been increasing. Like every rare it's had bad patches and decreased and i'm sure there are more of these patches to come where it'll decrease. Just because it's now so expensive it doesn't mean the value isn't accurate because the value certainly IS accurate.

The rare value market works on supply and demand. Yes, there are thousands upon thousands of thrones out there but the fact remains they're wanted. Many people aspire to own a throne, it represents wealth on the game and that's how many habbos want to be, 'rich'. Also, many account with the thrones on from the years of 2002 and what not would of been banned and people leaving. I know there are still many about but a lot of the ones that are are stored in bulks. As long as the throne is still wanted the price will continue to increase, look at the value on habbo.com, it could soon be like that on .co.uk, who knows.

It's clear some of you want to take your frustration out on somebody. Well the only person to blame for the increase in thrones are the people who trade thrones. They ask for profit, they get it. The person then sells it on for a bit of profit themselves. When more and more people do this it affects the whole hotel, so Habbox is updated to match people paying more or less. If thrones began trading at 8hc per now that's what the value would be, simple.





Were did i say that Immenseman had loads of Thrones ?

You certainly implied it.


I agree, because there's no real logical reason for why it has rised so dramatically through-out the years.

And to be honest it's Habbo's fault for not having a set price for rares

Read above. ;)

[FlyingJesus]

I agree, because there's no real logical reason for why it has rised so dramatically through-out the years.

And to be honest it's Habbo's fault for not having a set price for rares

If there was no fluctuation in rare values then rare trading would be boring, and it would be impossible what with new releases and rereleases. The throne has gone up in how many HCs it's worth because the value of the HC has been drastically lowered by the number of other rares now out, many of them highly undesirable. As a trade commodity in itself it has not changed, as can be seen from how supers are still traded in thrones no matter how much a throne costs.

[lapdance]

I agree, because there's no real logical reason for why it has rised so dramatically through-out the years.

And to be honest it's Habbo's fault for not having a set price for rares
i was joking lol, i very much doubt he'd fix the values even if he did have loads.

[StickMan]

SOLUTION:
Don't use Habbox anymore...

let's see who trade for your prices.

And BTW! About the throne you can sell yours to me in 20 HC's if you want to :D

If you read the Rare Values at Habbox.com sais it's ONLY a guide...

Dan/

[AgnesIO]

As i said the throne has rose, as traders realised they COULD sell for more so they did.

If someone owns a room with a throne they are altomatically 'rich.'

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And the person that said 'credits have to do with it.' ...

You have one hell of a brain! Ever since Habbo Exchange came is has rose and rose and rose!

[no waiii]

Not quite, dear. I think you need to stop looking for someone to blame and face the obvious. This hasn't happened over a number of months, it's happened over years. Well since it was around 20hc anyway, that was in 2006, it's now 2008. The throne has gradually increased since it was given out on ione's birthday in 2002.Sorry, I'm asking a Question or im i not alloud do that? I'm not looking for anyone to blame as you can read from m Title its a Question!


SOLUTION:
Don't use Habbox anymore...
But everyone is so use to useing Habbox there is no other site, Yous have people hooked on your Values

[Immenseman]

Sorry, I'm asking a Question or im i not alloud do that? I'm not looking for anyone to blame as you can read from m Title its a Question!

Lol, this reason sadly is probley true.
Like a while back the throne was around 40 the rockets up to 60hc Thats a big profit if you bough quite a few.

But why would people trade for more if they know that someone is Obv. selling less than them so that would keep the Throne around its price of 20Hc
These "Values" are based on what the Rare Value "Reporters" want there rare to be worth.

The second quote of yours isn't a question. It's you blaming me and my staff for changing the values to suit us. A false accusation which I didn't take very well. These people are doing a voluntary job in their free time. Something that they don't have to do, they try their best to ensure that Habbox can provide the most accurate values and all they get is unjust criticism and ridiculous accusations thrown at them.


But everyone is so use to useing Habbox there is no other site, Yous have people hooked on your Values

You have to realise that the majority of traders are 'hooked' for a reason, because they know and trust habbox to give them a guide value for the rares they have. They don't just use Habbox for the sake of it, they use Habbox because they know it can provide them with a decent guide value.

[no waiii]

The second quote of yours isn't a question. It's you blaming me and my staff for changing the values to suit us. A false accusation which I didn't take very well. These people are doing a voluntary job in their free time. Something that they don't have to do, they try their best to ensure that Habbox can provide the most accurate values and all they get is unjust criticism and ridiculous accusations thrown at them.




You have to realise that the majority of traders are 'hooked' for a reason, because they know and trust habbox to give them a guide value for the rares they have. They don't just use Habbox for the sake of it, they use Habbox because they know it can provide them with a decent guide value.


Know i never said "you" or "staff" i said Some people would make a profit and i wasn't meaning you or staff.

cause theres no other site other than HHGs and no one really knowns about it.

[Immenseman]

Know i never said "you" or "staff" i said Some people would make a profit and i wasn't meaning you or staff.

Who exactly did you mean then? Nobody else can influence the habbox values so I don't see what you're getting at here.


cause theres no other site other than HHGs and no one really knowns about it.

Maybe people don't want to look for alternatives because as I said they trust Habbox to give them an accurate guide value. If people didn't like it then it wouldn't be the most used rare values site. All rare values sites have the same goal and that's to provide the users of Habbo with accurate values. :)

[no waiii]

Who exactly did you mean then? Nobody else can influence the habbox values so I don't see what you're getting at here.



Maybe people don't want to look for alternatives because as I said they trust Habbox to give them an accurate guide value. If people didn't like it then it wouldn't be the most used rare values site. All rare values sites have the same goal and that's to provide the users of Habbo with accurate values. :)


They were the ONLY rare value site until a while ago so people just wont move straight away.

[Immenseman]

They were the ONLY rare value site until a while ago so people just wont move straight away.

However, if people weren't happy with it then they would of found alternative or other sites would of realised that people were getting fed up of Habbox. As it stands, the majority still use Habbox which surely must indicate something ;)

[Lost Prophets]

I think its ridiculous how high its gone as both the Russian Samova & Holoboy were also given out and not been realeased and are only at 1.2-1.5 :l
I remember in like 2005 that the throne went down to like 11 hc rofl.

[no waiii]

However, if people weren't happy with it then they would of found alternative or other sites would of realised that people were getting fed up of Habbox. As it stands, the majority still use Habbox which surely must indicate something ;)


Ye someone need to open a site :)

And it indicates nothing, its means the LACK of competition for Habbox so they can do whatever they want with there prices.

and also another good point there are there are even less Holoboys/Russian Sams on the Hotel and Habbox has these priced at 1.0-1.5

[fitcovboy]

The Throne is a popular rare, as habbo run various promotions to encourage more users onto the hotel you have more people wanting Thrones. Also with people not using habbo who have various amounts of Thrones, this can increase the value, i know at times i have been off habbo for several months whilst holding over 100 Thrones. Therefore that was 100 less in circulation. And before anybody says i done it for that purpose, then you would be wrong. My life does not revolve around habbo and sometimes i have more pressing things to do than to play habbo. The simplicity is, if people are demanding that extra HC for their Throne and people are paying it, then the RVR's see the trades and report it, then the head rare values reporters look over the posted values from the RVR's and along with their own knowledge, then contact the departments managers with values that need updating, the managers then decide from what they have seen and their own knowledge if the value does need increasing or decreasing.

As well as that i personally do a lot of checking to monitor what is being posted and assessing the accuracy of the reports being submitted, then if i have concerns with any reporters values i raise the issue. When i am on i do a lot of trading and so i know what most rares are trading for off the top of my head. So the allegations of anyone fixing values is preposterous.

Whilst on subject i have had a few people complaining about the super rare values, the super rares can sometimes be hard to track when there are only a handful of them, also everyone always trades under habbox guide price value, at one stage i updated nearly every super value to what they were trading for, this led to people trading even lower, i am sure you can see the predicament there for yourself. Also due to Lost_Witness releasing the supers that he has, people have lost faith in the supers market, this has driven down all the prices, i remember when things like purple dragons traded for 28T i know because i traded a few of them, however, sadly those days have long since gone, and the supers game will take a long time to recover, and i have my doubts as to if it ever will.

I do hope this has answered your question, it is as simple as the GUIDE value is taken from what people are trading them for. There are alternative sites you can use, if you are not happy with our values.

[PaulMacC]

Back when the throne was released there was so many in circulation it was like a duck back then, through time more users left and more thrones went out of the market. Of course there are habbo's who are also keen to make a quick hc or two so they sell them higher, the people they sell them to do it even more, majority of the times they dont get what there asking for and have to settle for their buying price or 0.5-1hc above that.
Our Rare Values Reporters/Trade Experts/Head Rare Value Reporters see these changes in the price and report them to Immenseman and myself, we update the values according to our reporters, they report the values according to what you see, so to answer your question, they are going up because they are a popular rare that is in demand, people see this demand and try to make a bit of profit.

[Immenseman]

Ye someone need to open a site :)

And it indicates nothing, its means the LACK of competition for Habbox so they can do whatever they want with there prices.

and also another good point there are there are even less Holoboys/Russian Sams on the Hotel and Habbox has these priced at 1.0-1.5

There is more than one rare value site for Habbo UK, there are more than 2, there are more than 10, there are loads. The fact that these aren't even heard of tells you one thing and the fact that the majority still use Habbox tells you another.

The Rusian Samovar and the Holopod aren't worth as much because they're not wanted as much, like I said before the rare values market works on demand. If the rares are in demand they will increase, this is what happens and I thought you'd realise that because you have posted a report in the report rare values forum which shows understanding of this.

This is how the market changes, if people really wanted mochas (never going to happen :P) then they would begin to add a little bit of profit, nudging the price up slowly. This has happened with the throne. I don't see why people think this has gone up so quickly, it has risen slowly since 2002. I gave you proof of it tripling in value from 04-06 and it has only just doubled from 06-08 this month...

[BaybeeElin]

If you were selling a throne, you would sell it at the highest price people would be willing to pay.
There will always be the same amount of thrones in the hotel, but many people with thrones will eventually become in-active in the hotel, which is another reason for the increase.
Also as there are more Habbo's, thrones are becoming more popular, so people are willing to pay more to get there hands on one.
Thats my opinion on it anyway. :)

[Euathrymu]

Oh FOR **** SAKE STOP TALKING OUT YOUR *****.

What a load of ******** 'Coz the rare values manager has loads to sell' you have no ******* clue what goes on behind the scenes. i was a RVR for a short ammount of time and if you like you can sit in trade city just to see habbox's reporters looknig up values!

Immenseman (The rare values manager) does NOT have loads of thrones and if you think habbox is so bad go to HHGS but i suppose you think they do the same?!

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And in answer to your question: The reason thrones have rose so much, is because people that own throens realised they could sell them for more and people are willnig to pay it.

if everyone refused to pay the ridiculous price that they are, then they would fall (That would be my paradise!)

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Unless you have been a rare Value Reporter then don't blother flaming the staff, as they work extremely hard on keeping habbos up to date on values. Without habbox or HHGS (Mainly habbox imo) the trading world would go mad.

INFACT i would love to see some of you do a better job, than the current staff.

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People that just accused habbox of making up values, have just embarresed yourselves and habbox's community.
Someone needs to take a chill pill..

Anyway totally agree I think theres something behind the throne being sold for so much, because I've asked numerous people who sell and buy thrones who haven't got a clue on why there so highly priced, it all comes down to inflation and curruption tbh.

[no waiii]

Someone needs to take a chill pill..

Anyway totally agree I think theres something behind the throne being sold for so much, because I've asked numerous people who sell and buy thrones who haven't got a clue on why there so highly priced, it all comes down to inflation and curruption tbh.

And its all the RVR who are disagreeing with me :)
Looks abit funny from were we are, but im not saying it is.

[e5]

Just the rates at what people were buying and selling for really.

[Rixion]

Just the rates at what people were buying and selling for really.
Best answer i've heard yet.


Its just for what people want for their throne(s).

[Immenseman]

Someone needs to take a chill pill..

Anyway totally agree I think theres something behind the throne being sold for so much, because I've asked numerous people who sell and buy thrones who haven't got a clue on why there so highly priced, it all comes down to inflation and curruption tbh.

The fact that me and PaulMacC don't have thrones and are the only two with the Rare Value Panel access must tell you something. I suggest you go and look around the trade rooms and then pay notice to Habbox, you will notice something. For example lets say on Monday people begin paying 60hc per throne and that's the only price people are buying and selling for then you will notice on Tuesday the throne value will be 60hc. We only update to what is being traded. You say you haven't got a clue on why they're so highly priced? I suggest you stop looking for someone to blame and actually look at what they're selling for. You will then see quite clearly there is no corruption.


And its all the RVR who are disagreeing with me :)
Looks abit funny from were we are, but im not saying it is.

There are more than the RVRs who are disagreeing with you. Just from memory I seem to remember e5 and FlyingJesus disagreeing with you both who aren't RVRs ;).

[-Danube-]

Like others have said its a mixture of many things. 1. the fact that it is desired, 2. as people left the amount of thrones dropped loads, 3. people try and get the most they can for them. And all these people who say the RVR team is corrupt maybe you should try get a trial and see for youself how it is done and the fact it can't be corrupt as we'd all have to be corrupt on the same piece of furni at the same price which is kinda stupid as theres quite a few of us and probaly all of us would never do that....

[Seagy]

Well, I dunno how it come but people just want them?
If people are rich they are willing to pay more for a throne to get one immidiatily then shouting 100 times in a room for 1 hc less.

When i started playing the throne was 18 hc. (2004)
When i quited the game for a while it was 52 hc (2007)
And now in 2008 there 60 hc.

Off-Topic
The owner of the habbox site (My friend sierk) does not change values to make profit.
He doesn't buy like a purple dragon and then raise the price to 100t...
But in 2005. a Rare values Reporter did do that. He changed values so much , with the rares he had. And he made huge profit. Also habbox had a fake login once and much people lost there thrones then. What a story LOl,,

[AgnesIO]

I think its ridiculous how high its gone as both the Russian Samova & Holoboy were also given out and not been realeased and are only at 1.2-1.5 :l
I remember in like 2005 that the throne went down to like 11 hc rofl.

It is all about demand. The Russian Samova went up to 24hc last year - Which was great for me as i had about 5! The Holopod went to 11hc too.


And its all the RVR who are disagreeing with me :)
Looks abit funny from were we are, but im not saying it is.

No you are just aiming at RVR's.


The fact that me and PaulMacC don't have thrones and are the only two with the Rare Value Panel access must tell you something. I suggest you go and look around the trade rooms and then pay notice to Habbox, you will notice something. For example lets say on Monday people begin paying 60hc per throne and that's the only price people are buying and selling for then you will notice on Tuesday the throne value will be 60hc. We only update to what is being traded. You say you haven't got a clue on why they're so highly priced? I suggest you stop looking for someone to blame and actually look at what they're selling for. You will then see quite clearly there is no corruption.



There are more than the RVRs who are disagreeing with you. Just from memory I seem to remember e5 and FlyingJesus disagreeing with you both who aren't RVRs ;).

Don't forget me :)

[splatttt]

Like most people said really... people are willing to pay the prices because they are in high demand. It just means that many people have to work alot harder to get a throne.
When i joined habbo at the beggining of 05 throne was at about 22 hc? Then when i left early 2006 it was worth 20 or something like that. Now im back in 08 its worth 59/60. I was very shocked haha :)

[MissAlice]

If we had traded for thrones in 2002 when they were valued at 6 creds, and didn't sign into Habbo for 6 years imagine the shock. Thrones have steadily increased over time and it would be impossible for one person or a site to control the value, it has all been down to supply and greatest demand.

[Holofoil]

An item, anywhere in the world, not just habbo, is worth as much as someone is willing to give for it. All habbox do is record how much the rares are going for at the time.

Thrones are going up since there is high demand for them constantly.

Some furni is traded for a lot less or a lot more than what habbox says, which proves that even if habbox tried to change the values because it would make them richer, it wouldn't have any effect.

[-Eyeless-]

lol I swear Immenseman doesn't have that many? Anyway it is because all the values are what people trade for not what habbox want it to be ;)

[no waiii]

An item, anywhere in the world, not just habbo, is worth as much as someone is willing to give for it. All habbox do is record how much the rares are going for at the time.

Thrones are going up since there is high demand for them constantly.

Some furni is traded for a lot less or a lot more than what habbox says, which proves that even if habbox tried to change the values because it would make them richer, it wouldn't have any effect.


LOL you gave me -rep Quote me were i said wat you said in the rep comment


lol I swear Immenseman doesn't have that many? Anyway it is because all the values are what people trade for not what habbox want it to be ;)

He was buying them and i never said its so all the RVR can get rich

[-Eyeless-]

I wasn't aiming it at you it was just a general comment for people who thought it was so RVR get rich, which is a lot of peoples view ;)