Yes or No? to ---MAD---

[DaveTaylor]

Since Titch thread was a flame thread this is separate:


The thread aroused issues which people have had feelings about, Personally I say MAD should stay as he is doing the best he can;

what are your views?

poll added but, this is a genuine post about flaws etc.

[Agnostic Bear]

I concur.

[Kardan]

This thread is exactly what Titch started and is what escalated into the whole opening/closing thread.

I'm sure Titch's Poll reflects the forum's views.

[Nain]

I agree. MAD TO GET MADDER AND STAY!

but isnt this what titch tried to point out?

[mangle]

Mad ftwftw.

[DaveTaylor]

This is a general view thread not a spam session.

[Dan2nd]

bloomin hell another one?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I'd keep MAD lol

[e5]

Voters: 3. You may not vote on this poll

WHY NOT.

OMG MY PERMS R BROKEN :(((((((((((((((((((

[slam]

i honestly don't give a toss.

[Nain]

e5 - You really need to contact Nvr :p

JUST CLOSE THE THREAD - TITCHES THREAD SAID WHAT THE WHOLE FORUM SAID! OK

[FlyingJesus]

rofl this is the same thread reversed, there's no need to ask "should he stay" when the previous thread clearly showed that we don't want him to leave

[scott]

Another one :$!
Keep him, he has done lots for habbox and made it better. Im sure dont think he has any plans of leaving soon :)!

[Everlong]

I think that MAD does an extremly good job on this forum and runs it very well. Everytime i have spooke to him hes been busy trying to work out problems with the forum or just generally trying to make it better.

I don't really know why the subject has been braught up (not really up to date with whats going on) is there a reason for it?

[DaveTaylor]

rofl this is the same thread reversed, there's no need to ask "should he stay" when the previous thread clearly showed that we don't want him to leave

Not really as it was more a rant thread, this is a discussion about weather or not basically.

[Plank]

When threads were made ages ago on the same thing, I said I wanted ---MAD--- fired but now I've realised that he does a lot more work than people think (behind the scenes etc). I also think the forum has improved a lot, especially recently with the bug tracker. And as ---MAD--- has said before somewhere, nothing will please everyone.

[Breakfloor]

mad is a good guy doing a good job, maybe a few wrong decisions but you have to make mistakes to learn from them.

carry on mad, your doing a good job!

[e5]

takes 1000000 years though, because of his time zone :( so i'll just wait.


1 S4Y L3TZ 4LL F1R3 M4D <- that took me ages to write lol.

Just leave it now guys, kind of boring now, mad you can stay, i've given you permission...

[Agnostic Bear]

When threads were made ages ago on the same thing, I said I wanted ---MAD--- fired but now I've realised that he does a lot more work than people think (behind the scenes etc). I also think the forum has improved a lot, especially recently with the bug tracker. And as ---MAD--- has said before somewhere, nothing will please everyone.

The forum has spoken. (lol)

[msb.]

this is like watching the apprentice...

YES! Keep :)

[myke]

Keep him, he's done nothing wrong.

[Meanies]

How many threads do we need on this when it was clear from the other one that people wanted him to stay.

As I said in the last one, the group of Habbox sites have improved greatly since MAD has been in control and most of the changes he has made have been good ones, theres only a few I can think of that aren't so good - such as the change in reputation a while ago - thats the only bad thing I can think off from the top of my head.

[Nain]

How many threads do we need on this when it was clear from the other one that people wanted him to stay.



THANK YOU! one person in this forum that understands

100 threads aren't needed about the same things.

[Inseriousity.]

Even if someone did disagree and think he should leave, is it going to happen? No. Because most of the forum think he's doing a good job and I'm in the majority. I don't know him personally but the forum's going great atm :D

[DaveTaylor]

How many threads do we need on this when it was clear from the other one that people wanted him to stay.

As I said in the last one, the group of Habbox sites have improved greatly since MAD has been in control and most of the changes he has made have been good ones, theres only a few I can think of that aren't so good - such as the change in reputation a while ago - thats the only bad thing I can think off from the top of my head.


THANK YOU! one person in this forum that understands

100 threads aren't needed about the same things.

Simple as, this was created as an opinion thread not a spam thread like the last two, if your frankly going to be bone-idle I officially say grow up.

[samsaBEAR]

in recent months ive started to respect MAD a lot more.
the amount of crap that gets thrown at him, and he still stays here regardless, i know i would've left if i was in his position.
sure, he makes a few bad decisions, the chat, not making an iphone skin (i will continue to fight for this :D) but on the whole he has helped habbox progress immensely.
i can honestly say that if he left, i think i would probably leave. i dont think there is anyone that could do this job like MAD does, and it would just in the forum going to ruins.

[Smiddy]

It just shows that if you give someone time to settle into a job, they become better at it - the staff learn more about how you work, the visitors have more time to adapt to how you work, so they can prepare themselves for anything "dramatic".

[Meanies]

Simple as, this was created as an opinion thread not a spam thread like the last two, if your frankly going to be bone-idle I officially say grow up.

I have no need to grow up, what was there that was wrong with my post?

I don't think the other threads were intended to be used for spam, up until the point when the argument broke out and comments were coming from here, there and everywhere. All this thread is doing, really, is turning the question around from 'Should MAD be fired' to 'Should MAD stay'. At the end of the day, theres nothing people on the forum can do about the topic if they feel so strongly about it, to a point there is. The only person who can take action against MAD's role is sierk, who tends to be quite hard to get hold of.

The whole subject of MADs job and if he should go or stay has been completely blown out of proportion, I'll say it again, in the other threads it was made clear that the majority vote was that he should stay. If people are just going to continue making threads on the same thing, which will most likely just spark more arguments amonst members, I think they should be banned - as people were saying in the thread Titch made. All he did was state his opinions and was immediately fought against by a number of members and a number said he should be banned, if they think that about his opinions, I'm going to say that about their opinions. I'm not sticking to one side of the argument, I'll always consider the counter-argument to make things fair. Yes, Titch was in the wrong in the other thread because of some of his language but that was no call for people to start abusing him, and the thread.

[Slowpoke]

prepare themselves for anything "dramatic".

Today would be a good example - Stuff like this happens every few weeks and I don't know about you lot but to me, it's a broken record that never seems to cease.

[Yoshimitsui]

What exactly are you hoping to gain from this thread :S

It really is getting boring.

[Nain]

Simple as, this was created as an opinion thread not a spam thread like the last two, if your frankly going to be bone-idle I officially say grow up.

I have no need to grow up, what was there that was wrong with my post?

I don't think the other threads were intended to be used for spam, up until the point when the argument broke out and comments were coming from here, there and everywhere. All this thread is doing, really, is turning the question around from 'Should MAD be fired' to 'Should MAD stay'. At the end of the day, theres nothing people on the forum can do about the topic if they feel so strongly about it, to a point there is. The only person who can take action against MAD's role is sierk, who tends to be quite hard to get hold of.

The whole subject of MADs job and if he should go or stay has been completely blown out of proportion, I'll say it again, in the other threads it was made clear that the majority vote was that he should stay. If people are just going to continue making threads on the same thing, which will most likely just spark more arguments amonst members, I think they should be banned - as people were saying in the thread Titch made. All he did was state his opinions and was immediately fought against by a number of members and a number said he should be banned, if they think that about his opinions, I'm going to say that about their opinions. I'm not sticking to one side of the argument, I'll always consider the counter-argument to make things fair. Yes, Titch was in the wrong in the other thread because of some of his language but that was no call for people to start abusing him, and the thread.



What this person said - lol
God that is longer than all of my news reports lmao

[Jamesy]

I have to say MAD has changed and listened to the users, while remaing firm on what's best. I have a lot of respect for someone who can listen to a bunch of screaming kiddies (relaaaax) and still make up his own mind along with the decisions of others.

From what he was, which was almost a recluse on the forum only saying robot like phrases rarely in feedback to someone who is often joking around and having a chat really does fill me with confidence he is the right person for the forum as it is.

In the future I don't know, but he's taken a lot of crap and stayed firm so hats off to him :)

[Smiddy]

Nain, no offence or anything, but that's not the first time I've seen you unnecessarily comment on a post, it doesn't look very professional if you have staff who cannot even stick to the rules supplied.

[Stevehere]

who voted no?

[Galaxay]

Even if majority posted mad to go nothings gonna happen.. lol


But yh hes sfe

[Paulio]

I think hes done a great job tbh. When he first got made manager everyone doubted him saying he should be fired and everything, if you can remember the massive thread lol. Hes done loads better than Freak did.

[GommeInc]

Everyone has problems, unless he does something outragiously bad like sell off people's account information, or completely ignore the community (which was nearly what he done a few months ago), then he should go, but he seems to be a decent enough job, even though say it's average, not great, not excellent, but not totally rubbish.

[Orangeesh]

Hes been geneal manager for a while now, and he does a great job.
He listens to peoples suggestions, and makes the right decisions.

[CHA!NGANG]

I haven't had time to read the rest of the posts but I will later. I voted yes, as MAD does a lot of work for this Forum and he is, the main member that makes it tick. Yes, he does make some mistakes sometimes, but so does everyone and under the ammount of work he has to do, with both eduaction, being a teenager, and balancing Habbox, I think he does a very good job.

[Antony]

Mad is a cool guy, and I can see now that he isnt just closing threads etc, hes posting polls, listening to our feedback and implementing things on the forum with our feedback. He's really changed for the better so yes I think Mad is a good GM.

[Hiro]

Get rid. Make me General Manager!!
naw. keep, obv, blates.

[cunning]

This forum has changed a lot, it used to be peaceful in which everyone got along. I remember when it first opened it was one of those ThinkHabbo sites, but everybody started to like it, I think it was because of the rare values though.

Yall beaches need to chill out, on crip...cuzz

[Decode]

I think ---MAD--- should go, simply because he cant take feedback.

[The Professor]

Personally I think he's doing a great job, its only when you get to work with him behind the scenes that you realise just how much he does. He's very patient and reasonable, despite what recent announcements would suggest, and his managerial skills are excellent (not as good as mine obv :P). I sound like a right suck up now :P

[Stevehere]

I think how childish he was with titches thread he should go.

He tried to cover it up by saying that he thinks the poll should of continued but it was so obvious titch was going to be flamed and what not, even after about 10 posts flaming him mad still reopened it when titch closed it and sorry but thats called going too far.

[GommeInc]

I think how childish he was with titches thread he should go.

He tried to cover it up by saying that he thinks the poll should of continued but it was so obvious titch was going to be flamed and what not, even after about 10 posts flaming him mad still reopened it when titch closed it and sorry but thats called going too far.
That's what I think too. It was clearly a thread that was going to get a member bullied, so I don't see why he kept opening it when the member wanted it closed, when MAD goes on about how the rules are meant to kept and set to a standard, and that moderators must act quickly, so why keep opening a thread to keep a member bullied? Not very professional, and quite bad really, it did prove Titch was right "/

[Stevehere]

Its annoying though that all the people who viewed that thread still think mad is the best even if he e-bullies and ****. I have respect to the 10 others who voted no.

[-Eyeless-]

I think how childish he was with titches thread he should go.

He tried to cover it up by saying that he thinks the poll should of continued but it was so obvious titch was going to be flamed and what not, even after about 10 posts flaming him mad still reopened it when titch closed it and sorry but thats called going too far.

Get over it, maybe he did think it was a good idea... People make mistakes, life goes on. Thats why you don't get banned outright for double posting, it would be stupid. Its the same, you can't get rid of mad because he did one thing wrong out of so many good things that he has done/is doing for the forum. Grow up :rolleyes:

[Stevehere]

Dude the worst rule to break on this forum is the bullying rule and mad did it so it isn't just one little mistake, its a big mistake to make.

[-Eyeless-]

He did not bully anybody, he did not physically or mentally bully Titch. There was no malice or scorn intended, you need to get rid of you hatred for authority... No more animosity!

How was it bullying anyway?

[Stevehere]

Sorry but please stop posting back because you clearly have no idea about what we are talking about and also it looks like you have no idea what bullying is.....

He reopened the thread when titch closed it, letting people flame him and titch kept closing it but mad kept reopening it continuously.

That is bullying. Titch was getting humiliated by users because of his thread and he just wanted it to be closed but it didn't look like mad cared so he just kept reopening it letting people keep doing it.

[Hayd93]

I think he's verry hardworking. I have seen some of the behind the scenes work he does and its just amasing how mutch he does. I perosnally think he's a good GM

[-Eyeless-]

Sorry but please stop posting back because you clearly have no idea about what we are talking about and also it looks like you have no idea what bullying is.....

He reopened the thread when titch closed it, letting people flame him and titch kept closing it but mad kept reopening it continuously.

That is bullying. Titch was getting humiliated by users because of his thread and he just wanted it to be closed but it didn't look like mad cared so he just kept reopening it letting people keep doing it.

Hmm seems you don't know what your talking about... Bullying:


the act of intimidating a weaker person to make them do something
Hardly what Mad was doing. Titch was the one who attacked Mad in the first place with the whole trying to get him fired, how would you react in that situation? The same way no doubt, in fact probably worse judging from what I have seen of you. So it was a minor mistake :)

I do know what you are talking about, you just have a simple mind and cannot accept other people views, so why your in the feedback forum (which is for oppions) is far beyond me.

[Stevehere]

e-bully is ******* different fgs please stop posting before you embarress yourself.

[-Eyeless-]

Ok I will stop posting so that you can "Flame" Mad some more, that is also "bullying" in the context you seem to be using it... Bit hypocritical :rolleyes:

Also you generalised by saying bullying not E-bullying, not that there is that much of a difference.

[Leetzgirl]

Ok I will stop posting so that you can "Flame" Mad some more, that is also "bullying" in the context you seem to be using it... Bit hypocritical :rolleyes:

Also you generalised by saying bullying not E-bullying, not that there is that much of a difference.

Just shut up both of you ;|.


I think really cool, but he block me on msn and that -cry -cry


Serouis note, he had done alot of work, but i think it just need more work put in to the forum aswell habbox,

[-Eyeless-]

Just shut up both of you ;|.


I think really cool, but he block me on msn and that -cry -cry


Serouis note, he had done alot of work, but i think it just need more work put in to the forum aswell habbox,

Sorry Babes :( lol Although this is a thread that is about what we be arguing bout ya get me?

[Recursion]

I say keep him.

[samsaBEAR]

now that ive taken the time to read through Titch's thread, my perception has change a little

i think MAD was just plain stupid to keep on re-opening the thread. it was horrible, it was just inciting more arguments towards Titch because people assumed he was re-opening his own thread, and they thought this because management shouldn't break their own rules.
its stupid.
idk what to think now really

[GommeInc]

Hmm seems you don't know what your talking about... Bullying:


the act of intimidating a weaker person to make them do something
Hardly what Mad was doing. Titch was the one who attacked Mad in the first place with the whole trying to get him fired, how would you react in that situation? The same way no doubt, in fact probably worse judging from what I have seen of you. So it was a minor mistake :)

I do know what you are talking about, you just have a simple mind and cannot accept other people views, so why your in the feedback forum (which is for oppions) is far beyond me.


No-one said MAD was bullying, MAD was letting people bully, as far as Titch and a few others see it ;) Which as far as the rules go, is very bad.

[Shawnstra]

I think he's a suitable person for this job, very professional, so stay :)

P.S. MAD, you might want to change your name though :P

[Mr.Sam]

''get rid of mad?'' makes it sound like he is a possession or object :P

anyway he's doing a good job the only people against him are people who fail to see the other side of the arguement and are the ones who have been banned or have gained nfractions for breaking newly implemented rules.

Edited by Hayd93(Forum Super Moderator): Posts merged due to forum lag :).

[GearsOfWar]

Keep him, he does a good job and even if some people call him power mad or anything that's only because he's doing his job, I'm sure it'd be hard to have such a important role on such a big fansite! :P

[cunning]

Mad does a lot of work on here, I'll add that...but I thought this was closed.

[-Eyeless-]

No-one said MAD was bullying, MAD was letting people bully, as far as Titch and a few others see it ;) Which as far as the rules go, is very bad.

Actually steve was saying that he was bullying hence my reply ;)

[Stevehere]

Well he was bullying because he was letting other people bully titch, so he counts as being a bully for technically "setting" people on him.

[PaulMacC]

Another one :$!
Keep him, he has done lots for habbox and made it better. Im sure dont think he has any plans of leaving soon :)!
I agree, MAD is a great general manager.

[-Danube-]

Everyone who says "get rid of MAD" should do his job for a week and see how hard it is. I don't no him that much but i bet he does loads to improve Habbox and gives up alot of his time for the site.

I say keep him.

[samsaBEAR]

Everyone who says "get rid of MAD" should do his job for a week and see how hard it is. I don't no him that much but i bet he does loads to improve Habbox and gives up alot of his time for the site.

I say keep him.
it still doesnt excuse the fact that he kept re-opening that thread, in the full knowledge that titch would get bullied for it

[Titch]

it still doesnt excuse the fact that he kept re-opening that thread, in the full knowledge that titch would get bullied for it

He has given a reason for opening the thread which i belive is true, so lets just leave it at that. Past is the past, present is what matters.

[Stevehere]

He has given a reason for opening the thread which i belive is true, so lets just leave it at that. Past is the past, present is what matters.

But that reason was a lie.

At first he went with his reason of doing that and he viewed the thread numerous times while he kept reopening it, when all the people were flaming titch, so he knew they were bullying him yet he still reopened it.

[Ugawa]

Mine went to no for some reason but i clicked yes. I noticed it said no as i clicked vote :S

Nyway. It must be really hard to be in charge of everything. The people complaining should try and do it. They probably wouldn't even last a day

XX

[Stevehere]

Yeh but atleast we wouldn't let others bully others.

And it wouldn't make yours as no if you clicked yes..

[Slowpoke]

Yeh but atleast we wouldn't let others bully others.

Did you actually read his explanation as to why he was re-opening the thread? Obviously not - I don't understand where you get off calling him a liar, you can't prove it. If any foul play went on it would've been caught by an administrator and if any action needed to be taken it would've. You can't cover your tracks on a forum, everything is logged.

And stop making out that it's something he does on a daily basis, it was one time and an accident.


And it wouldn't make yours as no if you clicked yes..

It's called human error.

[GommeInc]

But that reason was a lie.

At first he went with his reason of doing that and he viewed the thread numerous times while he kept reopening it, when all the people were flaming titch, so he knew they were bullying him yet he still reopened it.
Adding to that, past makes up the present and future, it's just a matter of beleiving it won't happen again, even though the excuse was terrible "/

[lAscend]

MAD is a very hard working individual, without him really we wouldnt be finding out or getting these updates, so if you think he needs to go then you try and do his job and i bet you'll find it very hard.

[Spiffing]

mads awesome.

[Stevehere]

Anyone of the 18 other people who voted no wanna admit it??

[MissAlice]

Since Titch thread was a flame thread this is separate:


The thread aroused issues which people have had feelings about, Personally I say MAD should stay as he is doing the best he can;

what are your views?

poll added but, this is a genuine post about flaws etc.

It's so easy to forget that this site is run by volunteers who have to show a good code of conduct, and abide by and apply the rules too. I don't think I could handle so many hormonal teenagers in one place, particularly those that continually have something to whine about! It takes a whole team of staff to make this site the success it is, and it's always too easy to blame one person when things go wrong.

I've watched this site grow from a little acorn into a huge oak tree, and I know that sierk is very professional and if he was unhappy with any member of staff including management they would be fired.

There are ways of doing things, just as in business. If you aren't happy about something, there is a right way to deal with it, making threads dissing staff isn't the right way, and when we are older if we get fired from a job, we wouldn't stand outside the company with a placard saying fire the managers. When a football manager gets fired, do we see him complaining to the public? No we don't. If a player gets dropped from the first team, do we hear him telling everyone he's been dropped because other team players are better? No we don't. They get on with things and hope they can do better next time round. Nobody likes to fail, and if we do, we need to look at what we are doing wrong before we can put it right.

Habbox management are continually trying to improve things, so they do listen to members.

[jrh2002]

He would be ok if his jobs never involved dealing with others because his people skills are terrible even though he does work very hard.

[Titch]

He would be ok if his jobs never involved dealing with others because his people skills are terrible even though he does work very hard.

your back? havtn seen you on it ages! how you been doing?

[jrh2002]

your back? havtn seen you on it ages! how you been doing?

good ty :) you?

I have about retired but come back for a moan as usual lol might be gone b4 you reply.


EDIT: Mad just helped in my other thread so I would like to say ignore my last post :p there may be some hope yet :o slim but still some.

[--ss--]

It's so easy to forget that this site is run by volunteers who have to show a good code of conduct, and abide by and apply the rules too. I don't think I could handle so many hormonal teenagers in one place, particularly those that continually have something to whine about! It takes a whole team of staff to make this site the success it is, and it's always too easy to blame one person when things go wrong.

I've watched this site grow from a little acorn into a huge oak tree, and I know that sierk is very professional and if he was unhappy with any member of staff including management they would be fired.

There are ways of doing things, just as in business. If you aren't happy about something, there is a right way to deal with it, making threads dissing staff isn't the right way, and when we are older if we get fired from a job, we wouldn't stand outside the company with a placard saying fire the managers. When a football manager gets fired, do we see him complaining to the public? No we don't. If a player gets dropped from the first team, do we hear him telling everyone he's been dropped because other team players are better? No we don't. They get on with things and hope they can do better next time round. Nobody likes to fail, and if we do, we need to look at what we are doing wrong before we can put it right.

Habbox management are continually trying to improve things, so they do listen to members.
That may be true but sadly it's not the same story when it comes towards listening to the views and opinions off the staff members ;).

[Zehro]

That may be true but sadly it's not the same story when it comes towards listening to the views and opinions off the staff members ;).

I agree but disagree. They listen to you, but for example if you offer criticism even if it's constructive, you might as well pack your bags? Or that's what it's like atm.

However saying that, I still respect MAD and he does work very heard, especially as he's just a volunteer, like the rest of the staff, and that can't be forgotten.

[MissAlice]

That may be true but sadly it's not the same story when it comes towards listening to the views and opinions off the staff members ;).

I think it's very very important that the views and opinions of staff are listened to, they are after all members too!

[jrh2002]

That may be true but sadly it's not the same story when it comes towards listening to the views and opinions off the staff members ;).

I think if staff listened to and discussed the views of members better then the members would do the same for staff.
If I cam up with a great idea and it was just dismissed like alot of peoples ideas are as soon as management mention something no matter how good they should just expect a very negative response similar to what they give time after time.

:eusa_whis

[---MAD---]

I think if staff listened to and discussed the views of members better then the members would do the same for staff.
If I cam up with a great idea and it was just dismissed like alot of peoples ideas are as soon as management mention something no matter how good they should just expect a very negative response similar to what they give time after time.

:eusa_whis
Can I have an example please?

[--ss--]

I think if staff listened to and discussed the views of members better then the members would do the same for staff.
If I cam up with a great idea and it was just dismissed like alot of peoples ideas are as soon as management mention something no matter how good they should just expect a very negative response similar to what they give time after time.

:eusa_whis
My main complaint is on the moderation system which got introduced with the forum upgrades. It came out of know where without even asking for opinions and views on the change before hand and they expected everyone just to follow it. Many people disliked the system and complained about it but no changes were made for staff and it was left the way it was with alot of (S)Mods upset so I complained about no changes being made to it and I got fired for it even though I believe I was being quite fair during the situation. Soon after I got fired a thread was made in the mod section by MAD basically telling everyone to stop crying and deal with it.
Apparently the users of the forum liked it but it seemed as if a majority of the moderation team did not, Surely the staff should have an say onit aswell as actually being listened to.
It felt to me as if he was they were trying to please and get all the users on their side by neglecting the Staff.

[jrh2002]

Can I have an example please?

Not been on for months so cant really recall much but im sure plenty of others will.
There has been quite a few ideas that just drift down the feedback forum even if staff really like them which you cant deny.
Theres the rep power issue that you just got on with without discussing limits etc that if discussed with members and staff alike would have got a much better response.

*Removed*

Edited by Professor-Alex (Moderation Manager): Please do not be rude.

[jrh2002]

might have been rude but not racist tyvm so i think you need infracting for slander



I am trying to leave and return when one of the decent staff get the GM position so stop questioning me please :) let you get back to your 3rd world country who treat women one step below camels. enjoy your life and be kind to your future 23 wives.


Tell me where thats racist? Maybe you should look up racism and put it in your moderation guide if your the manager because from what i can see your wrong.


EDIT:

accused of being racist by some clever person.
Rude yes but racist NO so even tho i accept the infraction I dont want to be branded a racist unless you leave my text there for all to see to judge for theirselves.

[Titch]

might have been rude but not racist tyvm so i think you need infracting for slander



Tell me where thats racist? Maybe you should look up racism and put it in your moderation guide if your the manager because from what i can see your wrong.

LOL, i have to laugh at that. THAT ISNT RACIST!

[JackHb]

Not been on for months so cant really recall much but im sure plenty of others will.
There has been quite a few ideas that just drift down the feedback forum even if staff really like them which you cant deny.
Theres the rep power issue that you just got on with without discussing limits etc that if discussed with members and staff alike would have got a much better response.

*Removed*

Edited by Professor-Alex (Moderation Manager): Please do not be rude and racist.

I really don't think what Jrh2002 said was racist, all he said was 3rd World County and about 23 Wives. I think that warning should be withdrawn very very quickly, the rude one can stay. You need to be very careful when your calling someone a racist IMO.

As for --SS-- I am not taking sides with you or ---MAD--- as I am not clear on what happened but if you were fired for voicing your opinion over moderation changes then that is a bit unfair, as the amount of arguments and disagreements I had with management would be longer than my christmas list (and that is long)

[e5]

might have been rude but not racist tyvm so i think you need infracting for slander



Tell me where thats racist? Maybe you should look up racism and put it in your moderation guide if your the manager because from what i can see your wrong.


EDIT:

accused of being racist by some clever person.
Rude yes but racist NO so even tho i accept the infraction I dont want to be branded a racist unless you leave my text there for all to see to judge for theirselves.
I think he interpreted


you get back to your 3rd world country who treat women one step below camels.

as racism.

[JackHb]

I think he interpreted



as racism.

But 3rd World County is not racist, he is reffering to Mad's country as underdeveloped.
"Third World is a name given to nations that are generally considered to be underdeveloped economically during the 20th century. " - Wikipedia

I don't think the person who has gave Jrh the warning understands how serious it is to start calling someone a racist on a forum with so many young members.

[Catzsy]

My main complaint is on the moderation system which got introduced with the forum upgrades. It came out of know where without even asking for opinions and views on the change before hand and they expected everyone just to follow it. Many people disliked the system and complained about it but no changes were made for staff and it was left the way it was with alot of (S)Mods upset so I complained about no changes being made to it and I got fired for it even though I believe I was being quite fair during the situation. Soon after I got fired a thread was made in the mod section by MAD basically telling everyone to stop crying and deal with it.
Apparently the users of the forum liked it but it seemed as if a majority of the moderation team did not, Surely the staff should have an say onit aswell as actually being listened to.
It felt to me as if he was they were trying to please and get all the users on their side by neglecting the Staff.


I am not commenting on the first part but don't you think that we are here for the members? The polls suggested by a big majority that they were disatisfied with the present system so efforts were made to change it to be more flexible and not just for the people breaking rules. The mods therefore really are there to enforce the rules whether they agree with them or not.
I know that I did. You were obviously happier with the harsher regime where people had 'punishment' as you put it but things change and personally for me this is a much better system and has already reaped in own rewards
in mod/member communication. The thread posted by MAD was very reasonable in the circumstances I felt as a system needs to settle in, be tested and evaluated before further changes are made. You were a great SMOD there is no doubting that but perhaps you were not seeing the bigger picture on this particular topic. When I say that I have experienced not seeing the bigger picture myself and worn the same tshirt! I really hope you will be back soon as Habbox needs people like you. :D

[MissAlice]

My main complaint is on the moderation system which got introduced with the forum upgrades. It came out of know where without even asking for opinions and views on the change before hand and they expected everyone just to follow it. Many people disliked the system and complained about it but no changes were made for staff and it was left the way it was with alot of (S)Mods upset so I complained about no changes being made to it and I got fired for it even though I believe I was being quite fair during the situation. Soon after I got fired a thread was made in the mod section by MAD basically telling everyone to stop crying and deal with it.
Apparently the users of the forum liked it but it seemed as if a majority of the moderation team did not, Surely the staff should have an say onit aswell as actually being listened to.
It felt to me as if he was they were trying to please and get all the users on their side by neglecting the Staff.


Changes happen in life, look at Habbo as a classic example, constant change after change, lots of which I really dislike, but we have to try it first and then pick out what features we really don't like once the dust settles.

It's a shame management didn't advise (S)Mods of the changes beforehand, or even give them the opportunity to discuss them, seems this is no different to how the rep system got changed, which is a great pity. Communication is the key to working with a team!

Some very good mods I think are being missed, yourself and Finkelstien instantly spring to mind.

[The Professor]

But 3rd World County is not racist, he is reffering to Mad's country as underdeveloped.
"Third World is a name given to nations that are generally considered to be underdeveloped economically during the 20th century. " - Wikipedia

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

[JackHb]

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

I think you will find that there are a few countries/religons which men can marry more than 1 women, so it is something that happens day-to-day and is legal in many countries, so I do not see how it is being racist than Jrh is reffering to something legal in some countries. And if it does happen in Mad's country (I am unsure as do not know where he lives) then it can't be racist in the tinyest bit

I see you have now changed Jrh2002 warning, much appreciated. I am not having a personal attack at you Alex. However in work I have to consult the equalitys team before we do many things so I get a bit wound up when the word racist gets thrown around. Thanks

[jrh2002]

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.

Mad is English / British i think :s Lives in an Arab country where you are allowed multiple wives :s i never mentioned anything about the wives nationality so its not racist so nice of you to admit you dont know what it is. Want me to say 23 husbands? homosexalality is not allowed in most if not all arab countries. How can you do that job if you cant tell the difference to comments like i made or racism. :eusa_wall also straight infraction? I would complain but I really cant be bothered with dealing with people who dont know what they are talking about.

EDIT: LOL so its just rude now? so you clearly dont know hat racism is? for a mod ok they can learn but LOLLLLLLLLL at you. If you are ever going to take over from MAD I will pay him to stop :eusa_whis least he knows whats racist or not :8

Going now back when its safe unless i die of old age first. :8

[--ss--]

I am not commenting on the first part but don't you think that we are here for the members? The polls suggested by a big majority that they were disatisfied with the present system so efforts were made to change it to be more flexible and not just for the people breaking rules. The mods therefore really are there to enforce the rules whether they agree with them or not.
I know that I did. You were obviously happier with the harsher regime where people had 'punishment' as you put it but things change and personally for me this is a much better system and has already reaped in own rewards
in mod/member communication. The thread posted by MAD was very reasonable in the circumstances I felt as a system needs to settle in, be tested and evaluated before further changes are made. You were a great SMOD there is no doubting that but perhaps you were not seeing the bigger picture on this particular topic. When I say that I have experienced not seeing the bigger picture myself and worn the same tshirt! I really hope you will be back soon as Habbox needs people like you. :D
I do understand that we/I are/was here for the members/community but surely the job should be kept easy for us instead of complicating it. I do understand by what you mean by the "Bigger picture" as it is much more community friendly but I still go by what I said in the moderation section about the old system being perfectly fine, it was just the actual rules that people complained about and I agree several off them are dealt with far too harshly , especially when things are jokes and such. I believe instead of completely revamping the system, the rules should have been changed first as people are actually going to be complaining about the rules no matter what the system is.

This system is perfect for newer users but I believe we were always supposed to pm the newer users and let them off and give them a chance as it's always been done like that (Well I've always done it like that anyway).
But what I meant by 'punishing users' is that most users actually know about the rules and they will break them to annoy or disrupt the community, surely an PM isn't going to bother them and will let them get away with it when an warning which should mean nothing would actually punish them in away.
Lets say if you were getting harassed or insulted by someone who is trolling on the forum, surely you would prefer them to be punished or get into trouble instead off them being left free with an pm letting them do it again.

I did try test it out and fall into place but I found it far too much work as there were tons of pile ups off reported posts for me to deal with and quite frankly I would be wasting my time pming people if they don't care and when I can take care off more important things.

I would like to come back as staff but I doubt it will be as an Mod :(.

Changes happen in life, look at Habbo as a classic example, constant change after change, lots of which I really dislike, but we have to try it first and then pick out what features we really don't like once the dust settles.

It's a shame management didn't advise (S)Mods of the changes beforehand, or even give them the opportunity to discuss them, seems this is no different to how the rep system got changed, which is a great pity. Communication is the key to working with a team!

Some very good mods I think are being missed, yourself and Finkelstien instantly spring to mind.
Thanks for all your support, but you could say i'm sort off ignorant when it comes to change in life, my mind and body doesn't adapt very easily to changes then most people do and I find it quite stressful and annoying (Yes I am weird :()
The main reason why I actually complained was none off the several posts and threads by the mods were getting put into consideration , the only replies we were getting were to try it for longer and so on.

I would have liked to appeal to my dismissal but it's extremely hard to do so in private when Mad has/had his pm box set to private :(.

As for the '3rd world country' comment, the apparent country I believe he is from isn't a third world country and I believe is quite rich in oil and natural resources making it a bit more developed. Surely that comment shouldn't bother him too much anyway seeing as that is just an general stereotype which people use everyday.

Anyway back to revision for me xox.

[Catzsy]

I do understand that we/I are/was here for the members/community but surely the job should be kept easy for us instead of complicating it. I do understand by what you mean by the "Bigger picture" as it is much more community friendly but I still go by what I said in the moderation section about the old system being perfectly fine, it was just the actual rules that people complained about and I agree several off them are dealt with far too harshly , especially when things are jokes and such. I believe instead of completely revamping the system, the rules should have been changed first as people are actually going to be complaining about the rules no matter what the system is.

This system is perfect for newer users but I believe we were always supposed to pm the newer users and let them off and give them a chance as it's always been done like that (Well I've always done it like that anyway).
But what I meant by 'punishing users' is that most users actually know about the rules and they will break them to annoy or disrupt the community, surely an PM isn't going to bother them and will let them get away with it when an warning which should mean nothing would actually punish them in away.
Lets say if you were getting harassed or insulted by someone who is trolling on the forum, surely you would prefer them to be punished or get into trouble instead off them being left free with an pm letting them do it again.

I did try test it out and fall into place but I found it far too much work as there were tons of pile ups off reported posts for me to deal with and quite frankly I would be wasting my time pming people if they don't care and when I can take care off more important things.

I would like to come back as staff but I doubt it will be as an Mod :(.

Thanks for all your support, but you could say i'm sort off ignorant when it comes to change in life, my mind and body doesn't adapt very easily to changes then most people do and I find it quite stressful and annoying (Yes I am weird :()
The main reason why I actually complained was none off the several posts and threads by the mods were getting put into consideration , the only replies we were getting were to try it for longer and so on.

I would have liked to appeal to my dismissal but it's extremely hard to do so in private when Mad has/had his pm box set to private :(.

As for the '3rd world country' comment, the apparent country I believe he is from isn't a third world country and I believe is quite rich in oil and natural resources making it a bit more developed. Surely that comment shouldn't bother him too much anyway seeing as that is just an general stereotype which people use everyday.

Anyway back to revision for me xox.


Well you know I don't think the pm system applied to trollers and people like that and I am sure that if the new system is more labour intensive than it used to be that the GM and MM would be really open to getting in more Smods & Mods to cope. I feel perhaps that it was a combination of stress, due to this time of year with exams and misunderstanding/miscommunication. Personally I feel while the new system will take time to set up - remember that it seemed so much because all users except serious rule breakers had pms and this will diminish as time goes on. I think the benefits of the new system will far outweigh the old one as time goes on and I hope you will be be back as your experience is obviously a great asset. :)

[MissAlice]

I do understand that we/I are/was here for the members/community but surely the job should be kept easy for us instead of complicating it. I do understand by what you mean by the "Bigger picture" as it is much more community friendly but I still go by what I said in the moderation section about the old system being perfectly fine, it was just the actual rules that people complained about and I agree several off them are dealt with far too harshly , especially when things are jokes and such. I believe instead of completely revamping the system, the rules should have been changed first as people are actually going to be complaining about the rules no matter what the system is.

This system is perfect for newer users but I believe we were always supposed to pm the newer users and let them off and give them a chance as it's always been done like that (Well I've always done it like that anyway).
But what I meant by 'punishing users' is that most users actually know about the rules and they will break them to annoy or disrupt the community, surely an PM isn't going to bother them and will let them get away with it when an warning which should mean nothing would actually punish them in away.
Lets say if you were getting harassed or insulted by someone who is trolling on the forum, surely you would prefer them to be punished or get into trouble instead off them being left free with an pm letting them do it again.

I did try test it out and fall into place but I found it far too much work as there were tons of pile ups off reported posts for me to deal with and quite frankly I would be wasting my time pming people if they don't care and when I can take care off more important things.

I would like to come back as staff but I doubt it will be as an Mod :(.

Thanks for all your support, but you could say i'm sort off ignorant when it comes to change in life, my mind and body doesn't adapt very easily to changes then most people do and I find it quite stressful and annoying (Yes I am weird :()
The main reason why I actually complained was none off the several posts and threads by the mods were getting put into consideration , the only replies we were getting were to try it for longer and so on.

I would have liked to appeal to my dismissal but it's extremely hard to do so in private when Mad has/had his pm box set to private :(.

As for the '3rd world country' comment, the apparent country I believe he is from isn't a third world country and I believe is quite rich in oil and natural resources making it a bit more developed. Surely that comment shouldn't bother him too much anyway seeing as that is just an general stereotype which people use everyday.

Anyway back to revision for me xox.

Well it's a great loss to this site, because Habbox needs mods who use common sense, something you definetely have :)

Just read Catzsy post, maybe the timing was bad for you, others too perhaps, a stressful time to have to accept change.

I really hope you are back on the scene soon :)

[Rixion]

Well it's a great loss to this site, because Habbox needs mods who use common sense, something you definetely have :)

Just read Catzsy post, maybe the timing was bad for you, others too perhaps, a stressful time to have to accept change.

I really hope you are back on the scene soon :)
As, do I.

Ditto.

[GommeInc]

Correct, but saying "get back to your 23 future wives" is generalising about him because of the country he lives in, if that isn't racism I really don't know what is.
I think it comes under unjust speculation or assumption, not racism though. It's like saying all americans are fat or all british men and women have bad teeth and drink a lot of tea :P

I don't see why Habbox needs all these systems when moderation is a simple PM the member, ban the member or edit the members posts to make them abide by rules.

[HotelUser]

He would be ok if his jobs never involved dealing with others because his people skills are terrible even though he does work very hard.


I don't think his people skills are bad. On the contrary, I think his people skills are exceptional.


I think it comes under unjust speculation or assumption, not racism though. It's like saying all americans are fat or all british men and women have bad teeth and drink a lot of tea :P

I don't see why Habbox needs all these systems when moderation is a simple PM the member, ban the member or edit the members posts to make them abide by rules.

I think discussing racism is irrelevant to the intended topic of the thread, to be honest.


I've only spoken to MAD on the occasion, but he was consistently sounding professional, and getting things done efficiently. Even last week when MAD fired me, and spoke to me about it he was very professional.