R.Kelly Aquitted...

[PaintYourTarget]

R. Kelly was acquitted of all charges Friday after less than a day of deliberations in his child pornography trial, ending a six-year ordeal for the R&B superstar.
Whole article... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25145335/?GT1=43001)

[N-Dubz]

Great.
There was a mole on the guys back which R.Kelly hasn't got. He shouldn't be wrongly accused, I'm happy he got off with it.

[risque]

I wish he'd have been charged.

[Loqo]

15 years if he would of been convicted. Ouch!

[MJJ]

I wish he'd have been charged.

Same. After all that so called proof and all those delays of the trial - they just used the "there is no mole" defence. :eusa_eh:

[Frodo13.]

Probabaly got off because he is famous, as all famous people tend to do. I still have no doubt that Jacko is a pedophile either, despite him getting off.

[AMERlCA...]

r.kelly makes me fell sick

[MJJ]

Probabaly got off because he is famous, as all famous people tend to do. I still have no doubt that Jacko is a pedophile either, despite him getting off.

With Michael's case, there was little or no juror's conflict, or evidence against Michael doing it.
In this case, even the jurors say it was him on tape - which was real evidence.

[N-Dubz]

Micheal Jackson is peadophile and he did touch up them kids, why would you have a 'sleepover' in a little boys house - the boy had bunk beds, and then when the parents check up on them, hes in the boys bed.. :rolleyes:
An requested a room on an award night thingy for him and a boy to be alone with no disturbances, and then jog him up and down on this knee at the show.
ABIT WEIRD IF YOU ASK ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smooth Crinimal you must really love Micheal Jackon, shame he loves little boys, eh?

Anyways there wasnt any evidence against R. Kelly, because he dosn't have a mole on his back, so how could it be him :S arghhh.

[risque]

^ Do you not know R Kelly's history? You should read it up because there has been plenty of statements and evidence that should have gotten him convicted. He's a freak, he belongs in the slammer.

[AMERlCA...]

Micheal Jackson is peadophile and he did touch up them kids, why would you have a 'sleepover' in a little boys house - the boy had bunk beds, and then when the parents check up on them, hes in the boys bed.. :rolleyes:
An requested a room on an award night thingy for him and a boy to be alone with no disturbances, and then jog him up and down on this knee at the show.
ABIT WEIRD IF YOU ASK ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smooth Crinimal you must really love Micheal Jackon, shame he loves little boys, eh?

Anyways there wasnt any evidence against R. Kelly, because he dosn't have a mole on his back, so how could it be him :S arghhh.

LOL Micheal jackson is a pedophile i really hate him and hes bloody park neverland

[N-Dubz]

he had to sell that because hes so broke
LOL NO MORE KIDDY FIDDLING FOR YOU MR. JACKSON!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AMERlCA...]

he had to sell that because hes so broke
LOL NO MORE KIDDY FIDDLING FOR YOU MR. MICHEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol he had to sell neverland

[PaintYourTarget]

LOL NO MORE KIDDY FIDDLING FOR YOU MR. MICHEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read somewhere that he gets terrible Stage Fright now... the children are safer than ever.

[AMERlCA...]

I read somewhere that he gets terrible Stage Fright now... the children are safer than ever.

He should get shot in hes head

[N-Dubz]

Everyone say's he is a legend for his music, in my eyes he's ruined it.

Stupid kiddy fiddler. Also dosnt help him looking like a ghost and his nose falling off and hair setting on fire every 5 minutes.

An did his voice EVER break?

[PaintYourTarget]

He should get shot in hes head
True, there's no purpose to him. He doesn't leave the house, socialise, do his job or take care of his kids... and now he doesn't have children to molest, I don't know what he does with his life.

[MJJ]

MJ's case was based on accusations from nowhere. It was just a made up lie and stories concocted around circumstances to try and make it stick. Of course absolutely none of it made sense and the defence had a logical argument for all of it.
However, in R Kelly's case, there is a tape. Not to mention R Kelly's defence changing their stories several times.
The jurors came to the verdict based on the fact the girl wouldn't testify, not based on Kelly's innocence.

..and I think MJ is still an amazing singer, and still influences artists today. He hasn't lost Neverland btw, he cancelled the auction in May.
I guess its your opinion if you think of him like that.
And about him doing his job, he is currently making a new album, and he phoned fans in Devon to talk to them about it. :)

[:Liam]

Couldnt R Kelly had the mole removed between the time the video was made and now?

[N-Dubz]

that why MJ payed them alot of money, because it didnt make sense?
MJ's is a nutcase and likes to touch up little boys.

An no :Liam, he wouldnt be aloud it would be brought up and used against him if so.

[MJJ]

that why MJ payed them alot of money, because it didnt make sense?


Michael didn't pay any money :S
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if this will affect his career, although I doubt it will.

[risque]

Michael didn't pay any money :S
Anyway, it will be interesting to see if this will affect his career, although I doubt it will.

Here's hoping it does ruin it. If it should ruin Michaels credibility, it should ruin the lack of R Kelly's.

[N-Dubz]

yes he did, first time round he did.
Second time round they refused and took him to court.
gosh you know to much about micheal jackson! :P
It has harmed his career, he dosnt get offered to perform and out of desperation resold thriller album with hip new artists such as Kayne west and Fergie remixing the songs. The album got no where.

oops much?

[risque]

yes he did, first time round he did.
Second time round they refused and took him to court.
gosh you know to much about micheal jackson! :P
It has harmed his career, he dosnt get offered to perform and out of desperation resold thriller album with hip new artists such as Kayne west and Fergie remixing the songs. The album got no where.

oops much?

Of course it has harmed his career, what else would you expect? But he still has a vast amount of respect from his peers in the industry for the incredible influence himself & his brothers/sisters have made in music.

I just want to know where you get your information from? The album got nowhere?


Thriller 25 was a commercial success, having done particularly well as a re-issue, peaking at number one in eight countries and Europe. It reached number two in the United States, number three in the United Kingdom, and Top 10 on over thirty national charts. In the United States, Thriller 25 was just 14,000 copies short of reaching the number one position selling 166,000 copies. It was ineligible for the Billboard 200 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_200) chart as a re-release, but entered the Pop Catalog Charts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Pop_Catalog_Albums) at number one, where it stayed for ten non-consecutive weeks and had the best sales on that chart since December 1996.[117] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-Thriller_25_US_sales-116)[118] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-Billboardbiz-117)[119] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-Billboardcom-118)[120] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-Sells8000Copies-119) In 12 weeks the album had sold 556,000 copies in the United States.[117] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#cite_note-Thriller_25_US_sales-116) It sold 3 million copies worldwide after 12 weeks.

Oops much?

[N-Dubz]

Gotta say your such an argument starter Risque and you love to disagree. :)

It did not outsell the original Thriller album, meaning he has failed.
I wasnt the one saying it hadnt harmed his career.
It has, extremely.
He shouldnt be an infulence at all, hes a complete mess in my eyes, a shamble.

An then again I dont really care for Micheal, I dont look him up 24/7.

[risque]

I argue with those who I feel are wrong. Just because another album doesn't out-sell one of their original albums, that means they fail? How senseless. If that's the case then a hell of a lot of artists fail in the industry. You're arguing a pointless cause, LOL! How shouldn't he be an influence? He's a mess now, but beforehand, he wasn't. He was and will forever remain a legend.

[N-Dubz]

I'm not, he has failed how can you say he not? If he hadnt been such a pervert he would have sold so much more copies so dont be stupid we know that he has failed, his album could have sold so much MORE.
Why should he be a legend? People like Elvis Presely deserve it, this man has been a complete weirdo, "wacko jacko". He thinks he has the right to a comeback? He should be locked up in jail, and he will be a legend of course but when he's dead he will always be known as a kiddly fiddler in later life.
"LOL".

[stickwitu]

everyone thinks he's guilty anyway
well everyone i've talked to and seen on the net

check concreteloop
their poll had 77% (4,343 people) voting that he was lucky to get away with it.

sure, his fans will believe he's guilty but they're not the ones who determine whether his music gets played on the radio or not..

britney had a breakdown and that turned a lot of DJs against spinning her music in the US, her airplay peaks were significantly lower than before, same will happen to him, if not worse.

[FlyingJesus]

It did not outsell the original Thriller album, meaning he has failed.

Haha what no way, the Thriller album is among the highest selling of all time, you can hardly expect a remix to outsell it; I wouldn't have expected it to do as well as it did considering the circumstances. That's a really poor point to make.

[risque]

I'm not, he has failed how can you say he not? If he hadnt been such a pervert he would have sold so much more copies so dont be stupid we know that he has failed, his album could have sold so much MORE.
Why should he be a legend? People like Elvis Presely deserve it, this man has been a complete weirdo, "wacko jacko". He thinks he has the right to a comeback? He should be locked up in jail, and he will be a legend of course but when he's dead he will always be known as a kiddly fiddler in later life.
"LOL".

I can say he hasn't failed because he hasn't. His comeback/compilation album was a success, regardless of his sales (which were good considering his absence). I'm not being stupid, I'm just speaking sense.

He wasn't regarded as "Wacko Jacko" previous to the allegations for almost what...30 years? He made huge impacts on the industry with his brothers and as a solo artist. How can you defend R Kelly when both him and MJ were acquitted of the allegations? He won't just be known as a kiddy fiddler, perhaps he will be to close minded people (cough) but not to billions of other people.


Haha what no way, the Thriller album is among the highest selling of all time, you can hardly expect a remix to outsell it; I wouldn't have expected it to do as well as it did considering the circumstances. That's a really poor point to make.

Concurred.

[N-Dubz]

Haha what no way, the Thriller album is among the highest selling of all time, you can hardly expect a remix to outsell it; I wouldn't have expected it to do as well as it did considering the circumstances. That's a really poor point to make.


he sold 2 million copies on the re-sell, the original racked in 101 million i think :S

he got no where near, so yeah it is a good point actually.

[stickwitu]

Haha what no way, the Thriller album is among the highest selling of all time, you can hardly expect a remix to outsell it; I wouldn't have expected it to do as well as it did considering the circumstances. That's a really poor point to make.

It should have sold more though than what it did though, had he not been titled a pedophile and been branded a freak by the media and the world it probably would have been a lot more successful. That and if he could have actually been bothered to promote.

[FlyingJesus]

Definitely yeah I'm not saying that he wouldn't have done better without the bad press and lack of effort put in, but to call the album a failure is just absurd.

[stickwitu]

I wouldn't say it's a failure - but it's below his standard even though sales have dropped dramatically, and the fact that it is a re-release could be considered to play a part but as it was released so long ago there is a whole new audience of buyers who could have actually bought it.

[N-Dubz]

I can say he hasn't failed because he hasn't. His comeback/compilation album was a success, regardless of his sales (which were good considering his absence). I'm not being stupid, I'm just speaking sense.

He wasn't regarded as "Wacko Jacko" previous to the allegations for almost what...30 years? He made huge impacts on the industry with his brothers and as a solo artist. How can you defend R Kelly when both him and MJ were acquitted of the allegations? He won't just be known as a kiddy fiddler, perhaps he will be to close minded people (cough) but not to billions of other people.



Concurred.

Since we have to carry it on okay.
Didnt you say sales were important and what made the artist? well thats what you said when we had a disagreement about Beyonce & Leona.
Then again this is special because hes 'MICHEAL JACKSON'.. Lol? He didnt sell anywhere near, and if people didnt know him as a the things he's been accused of it would have sold much better, and the fact he didnt even promote is terriable.
An oh shh please, I cant carry this on anymore, you tend to argue about anything. So I'm close minded because Micheal Jackson is a freak and messed around with little kids? He will be remembered its not something you bypass just like R. Kelly will be. Alot of people think hes a freak, and he will be branded as one.

[risque]

he sold 2 million copies on the re-sell, the original racked in 101 million i think :S

he got no where near, so yeah it is a good point actually.

Did you not read what I said? It had sold 3 million copies after 12 weeks, that isn't how many it sold in total. For him to have sold that many after years of not selling at all, dealing with all of the allegations and hate, it's a good figure.

[N-Dubz]

Did you not read what I said? It had sold 3 million copies after 12 weeks, that isn't how many it sold in total. For him to have sold that many after years of not selling at all, dealing with all of the allegations and hate, it's a good figure.
Find how many it sold in total then, and if its a large number I'll end my argument as you KEEP carrying it on, as usual.

[MJJ]

yes he did, first time round he did.
Second time round they refused and took him to court.


Yes, his lawyers told him to just settle the matter outside of court, but this time he had a case - and he won, which a lot of people seem to forget.
And my point is that there was hardly any evidence against MJ, just the stupid documentary Martin Bashir made maybe. In R Kellys case there was a tape, where even the jurors agreed it was him.

And Thriller 25 wasn't even expected to do that well, so over 2million copies sold is a great achievement, especially seeing as its a 25-year old re-release. Of course it's not going to be as good as Thriller - it was the biggest selling album of all time..

[stickwitu]

Re-release has sold: 1,977,000 according to several trustworthy music analytical sites.

[risque]

Since we have to carry it on okay.
Didnt you say sales were important and what made the artist? well thats what you said when we had a disagreement about Beyonce & Leona.
Then again this is special because hes 'MICHEAL JACKSON'.. Lol? He didnt sell anywhere near, and if people didnt know him as a the things he's been accused of it would have sold much better, and the fact he didnt even promote is terriable.
An oh shh please, I cant carry this on anymore, you tend to argue about anything. So I'm close minded because Micheal Jackson is a freak and messed around with little kids? He will be remembered its not something you bypass just like R. Kelly will be. Alot of people think hes a freak, and he will be branded as one.

Again, do you not read? Sales are important and you just said that the original sold 101 million copies, go figure...That was an idiotic remark to make. Michael Jackson is one of the biggest legends in the the music industry, how many times do I have to stress that? His haters even know it, it's factual. Perhaps he didn't sell anywhere near but you don't always sell as much when the peak of your career has passed...He didn't need to promote as much. HE IS MICHAEL JACKSON. What the hell do you not understand? LOL, I mean seriously - for gods sake!

You can't carry this on anymore because the majority of the points you make are either invalid or unjustifiable. You're close minded for saying that that's what he'll always be remembered as, and not for his hugely successful music career, yeah. Branded as a paedophile or not branded as one, he was, has been and always will be the legend he is.

[N-Dubz]

it makes me laugh how you said Beyonce was a flop when her album sold 6 million, but MJ isnt a flop with his 2 million?

He is a legend I'm not saying hes not, but he did do things to kids and its not exactly forgetable mate. So whatever, think what you like but he could have promoted he got bad press and suddenly re-sells this album and expects it to do brilliantly? He should not have that attitude.
I can read thanks, I just dont agree with you - not everyone has too.

[risque]

it makes me laugh how you said Beyonce was a flop when her album sold 6 million, but MJ isnt a flop with his 2 million?

He is a legend I'm not saying hes not, but he did do things to kids and its not exactly forgetable mate. So whatever, think what you like but he could have promoted he got bad press and suddenly re-sells this album and expects it to do brilliantly? He should not have that attitude.
I can read thanks, I just dont agree with you - not everyone has too.

I thought you weren't going to continue? Beyonce isn't as big of a legend as Michael Jackson is, lol...If he had really have done these supposed things, don't you think they wouldn't have fallen through in court? Me too. How do you know that he expected it to do brilliantly? All of his fans had wanted him to bring out something new, whether it be a new compilation or a re-release.

I'm not saying you have to agree with me, I'm merely disagreeing with the majority of the points you're making because they don't stand a chance.

[stickwitu]

Stand a chance against what exactly, your own personal criticisms of them. You seem to think you come across is perfectly correct on every issue, but as this is a FORUM every thing you and everyone says is clearly debatable.

[N-Dubz]

It fell through because there wasnt evidence, but he did it.
Why else would you have a sleepover with a 13 year old boy, who has bunk beds and end up in his bed? Why would you be in a room with a boy for hours, and hours and ask not to be disturbed? yeah go figure boy.

An Beyonce isnt a legend but she still sold more then him, so how does that make sense :S...

[risque]

Stand a chance against what exactly, your own personal criticisms of them. You seem to think you come across is perfectly correct on every issue, but as this is a FORUM every thing you and everyone says is clearly debatable.

See, you're putting words in my mouth again. I said they don't stand a chance because she isn't justifying her claims with proof. I know I'm not always right, but I argue for what I feel I should argue for, there's no shame in that. Everything everybody says can be debated, whether it's moral or immoral, I don't need to be told things that go without saying.

And N-Dubz, you just contradicted the point you made. If there wasn't evidence, how the hell can you prove that he did it? He didn't prevent the boy from leaving, did he? I love how people are so quick to blame the celebrity when the people who make the accusations at hand just want a huge pay out, it's all he PROBABLY wanted. All in all, I doubt that Beyonce has sold more records overall than Michael has.

[apollo]

It doesn't matter what MJ sells anymore, no one will take his record of best selling solo artist, since no one buys records anymore!!!!!!

[MJJ]

it makes me laugh how you said Beyonce was a flop when her album sold 6 million, but MJ isnt a flop with his 2 million?

He is a legend I'm not saying hes not, but he did do things to kids and its not exactly forgetable mate. So whatever, think what you like but he could have promoted he got bad press and suddenly re-sells this album and expects it to do brilliantly? He should not have that attitude.
I can read thanks, I just dont agree with you - not everyone has too.

Like I said before, no one expected the album to do great - it was just a resell, but in my opinion it did great. I doubt he expected it to do brilliantly. And if he had 'done things with kids' he wouldn't have come out innocent.


It fell through because there wasnt evidence, but he did it.

I'm sorry..? :S



An Beyonce isnt a legend but she still sold more then him, so how does that make sense :S...

Michael has the biggest selling album of all time, Beyonce doesnt. Beyonce herself has said if it wasn't for Michael, she would never have become an artist.
This is turning into a Michael Jackson argument than a R Kelly one. :P

[stickwitu]

I don't see why we're comparing Beyonce's sales to Michael's anyway - Jess just made the point that you considering 6 million album sales a flop when clearly it's far from it.

[Browney]

I hope this damages his career like Micheal Jackson's case has damaged his.

And N-Dubz, you cling on to the fact that you know MJ is a "kiddy fiddler" but he was cleared of all charges but when R Kelly was cleared it means he is innocent?

Micheal Jackson was and still is a legend. No one should let media slurs get in the way of seeing what a truely inspirational artist Micheal was.

[N-Dubz]

R. Kelly didnt pay the accuser $20 million to keep silent like Micheal Jackson did, in his 1993 trial.
Jury did find the sleeping in beds with boys and sleepovers with them weird and unexplainable.
Elvis Presley's daugther even siad he took more intrest in her son then herself.
http://madmikey.mu.nu/archives/Jackson%20Death%20Bunny.jpg

[MJJ]

R. Kelly didnt pay the accuser $20 million to keep silent like Micheal Jackson did, in his 1993 trial.
Jury did find the sleeping in beds with boys and sleepovers with them weird and unexplainable.
Elvis Presley's daugther even siad he took more intrest in her son then herself.
http://madmikey.mu.nu/archives/Jackson%20Death%20Bunny.jpg

Michael didn't pay any money in the second trial though.
I agree with you in a way - I'm not saying Jackson is 100% innocent. He put himself and those boys in a totally inappropriate situations.
Although personally I don't think R. Kelly is innocent, just because of some silly mole.
At least MJ's defence had something better. I guess its your own opinion if you think they're both innocent or guilty.

[AMERlCA...]

R. Kelly didnt pay the accuser $20 million to keep silent like Micheal Jackson did, in his 1993 trial.
Jury did find the sleeping in beds with boys and sleepovers with them weird and unexplainable.
Elvis Presley's daugther even siad he took more intrest in her son then herself.
http://madmikey.mu.nu/archives/Jackson%20Death%20Bunny.jpg


lol omg hes soo ugly

[H0BJ0B]

I was reading the first page and saw some people talking about the mole. I don't know if anyone has posted the correction but I was reading the article on the first post and it says R Kelly DOES have the mole but the guy on the video doesn't.