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DaveTaylor
20-06-2008, 01:04 PM
June 19, 2008 -- Dice-size crumbs of bright material have vanished from inside a trench where they were photographed by NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander four days ago, convincing scientists that the material was frozen water that vaporized after digging exposed it.

"It must be ice," said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson. "These little clumps completely disappearing over the course of a few days, that is perfect evidence that it's ice. There had been some question whether the bright material was salt. Salt can't do that."

The chunks were left at the bottom of a trench informally called "Dodo-Goldilocks" when Phoenix's Robotic Arm enlarged that trench on June 15, during the 20th Martian day, or sol, since landing. Several were gone when Phoenix looked at the trench early today, on Sol 24.

Also early today, digging in a different trench, the Robotic Arm connected with a hard surface that has scientists excited about the prospect of next uncovering an icy layer.

The Phoenix science team spent Thursday analyzing new images and data successfully returned from the lander earlier in the day.

Studying the initial findings from the new "Snow White 2" trench, located to the right of "Snow White 1," Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, co-investigator for the robotic arm, said, "We have dug a trench and uncovered a hard layer at the same depth as the ice layer in our other trench."

On Sol 24, Phoenix extended the first trench in the middle of a polygon at the "Wonderland" site. While digging, the Robotic Arm came upon a firm layer, and after three attempts to dig further, the arm went into a holding position. Such an action is expected when the Robotic Arm comes upon a hard surface.

Meanwhile, the spacecraft team at Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver is preparing a software patch to send to Phoenix in a few days so scientific data can again be saved onboard overnight when needed. Because of a large amount a duplicative file-maintenance data generated by the spacecraft Tuesday, the team is taking the precaution of not storing science data in Phoenix's flash memory, and instead downlinking it at the end of every day, until the conditions that produced those duplicative data files are corrected.

"We now understand what happened, and we can fix it with a software patch," said Phoenix Project Manager Barry Goldstein of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena. "Our three-month schedule has 30 days of margin for contingencies like this, and we have used only one contingency day out of 24 sols. The mission is well ahead of schedule. We are making excellent progress toward full mission success."

Source: http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/06_19_pr.php

Hiro
20-06-2008, 01:41 PM
I thought they'd already figured that there was and has been water on Mars? It's just common sense that there is bound to be Ice too :P
But I guess it's a groundbreaking discovery for them.

DaveTaylor
20-06-2008, 01:43 PM
I thought they'd already figured that there was and has been water on Mars? It's just common sense that there is bound to be Ice too :P
But I guess it's a groundbreaking discovery for them.

There was evidence of water from 100's of years ago however none to date back 4 days ago ;)

FlyingJesus
20-06-2008, 02:10 PM
If that's true it's incredible, water = life generally

DaveTaylor
20-06-2008, 02:47 PM
If that's true it's incredible, water = life generally

bingo :)

kk.
20-06-2008, 03:00 PM
not necessarily, it means life on our planet. we have adapted to our conditions meaning anything can adapt to another planets meaning that they could breath hydrogen or whatever :)

but that is actually really good news

Herman
20-06-2008, 03:08 PM
they could breath hydrogen or whatever :)
Exactly, if there were other species on other planets they would have adapted differently, like survive on liquid methane instead of water.

Good find.

partie2
20-06-2008, 03:19 PM
I swear this has been well known for absolutely ages.

FlyingJesus
20-06-2008, 03:25 PM
not necessarily, it means life on our planet. we have adapted to our conditions meaning anything can adapt to another planets meaning that they could breath hydrogen or whatever :)

It's entirely possible yeah through a completely different strain of evolution, but I'm still inclined to think that the water/ice idea is more likely - the chances of DNA forming on its own are extremely small (near impossible, hence why existence is such a miracle really) so a completely different form of it with a different life base would be somewhat improbable lol. Still, any life out there would be a massive find

Lee
20-06-2008, 03:29 PM
I think its safe to say that outside this galaxay, outside this whole universe, there must be other living things, just somewhere.

kk.
20-06-2008, 03:33 PM
but if it happened for us, why not anywhere else :P

no waiii
20-06-2008, 04:06 PM
ice ice baby

DaveTaylor
20-06-2008, 04:11 PM
I swear this has been well known for absolutely ages.

It's been known for ages there was evidence of water 100s/1000s years ago, however there was no 2/3 day evidence til now which is 4 days, this means there is water on the planet somewhere, which means some form of life can be sustained.

efq
20-06-2008, 04:51 PM
humans can live without breathing or water, but if its not a proper human like they are testing now.

Different DNA's to try see if some humans can survive with things that animals have or you know..

lew!
20-06-2008, 05:47 PM
lets evolve.
level up 2 aliens init

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