Schoolboys disciplined for 'refusing to pray to Allah'

[jrh2002]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-'refusing-to-pray-to-Allah'.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2247388/Schoolboys-disciplined-for-'refusing-to-pray-to-Allah'.html)


Two schoolboys were allegedly disciplined after refusing to kneel down and "pray to Allah" during a religious education lesson.

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HEATHCLIFF O'MALLEY
A spokesman for Cheshire County Council said 'Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of Cheshire's diversity curriculum'

It was claimed that the boys, from a year seven class of 11 and 12-year-olds, were given detention after refusing to take part in a practical demonstration of how Allah is worshipped.
Yesterday parents accused the school of breaching their human rights by forcing them to take part in the exercise.
One, Sharon Luinen, said: "This isn't right, it's taking things too far. I understand that they have to learn about other religions. I can live with that but it is taking it a step too far to be punished because they wouldn't join in Muslim prayer.
"Making them pray to Allah, who isn't who they worship, is wrong and what got me is that they were told they were being disrespectful."
Another parent Karen Williams, 38, whose 12-year-old daughter is a classmate of the boys, said: "I am absolutely furious my daughter was made to take part in it and I don't find it acceptable.
"The teacher had gone into the class and made them watch a short film and then said 'we are now going out to pray to Allah'.
"Then two boys got detention and all the other children missed their refreshments' break."
She added: "Not only was it forced upon them, my daughter was told off for not doing it right.
"They'd never done it before and they were supposed to do it in another language."
She said the pupils were asked if they had water on them, and when one girl produced a bottle, the teacher began washing her feet with it.
Her husband Keith, 44, a painter and decorator, said: "The school is wonderful but this one teacher has made a major mistake. It seems to be happening throughout society. People think they can ride roughshod over our beliefs and the way we live."
The alleged incident, at the Alsager school, one of Cheshire's top performing schools, happened on Tuesday afternoon. The teacher, Alison Phillips, the school's subject leader in RE, is understood to be staying away from the school until the furore dies down, although she has not been suspended.
She is said to have got prayer mats out of the cupboard and also asked children to wear Islamic headdresses.
Deputy headmaster Keith Plant said: "I have spoken to the teacher and she has articulately given me her version of events."
Sources at the school said the incident could have been down to Miss Phillips instigating a role play and not properly briefing the pupils, all aged around 12, what she was doing.
A spokesman for Cheshire County Council said they were investigating. He added: "The headteacher contacted the authority immediately complaints were received. Enquiries are being made into the circumstances as a matter of urgency and all parents will be informed accordingly.
"Educating children in the beliefs of different faiths is part of Cheshire's diversity curriculum on the basis that knowledge is, of course, is essential to understanding.
"We accept that such teaching has to be conducted with commonsense and sensitivity."

[VPSwow]

This is just getting out of hand. This is in the UK? Correct?.

[Leetzgirl]

I would kick the teacher in for that :rolleyes:

No one, and i mean no one, should make me do things that are like that :rolleyes:

What a ******* idiot

[heartbeat]

lol they can't make em do that.

[jrh2002]

I think all these stupid things thats going on is doing more damage in the fight against racism than good. Even the people who are not british must think we are totally mad with all this rubbish we come out with.

[N-Dubz]

This is unfair, shows how things are getting out of hand.

[ToxicPaddy]

It's really unfair. If at our school the RE teacher told us how to pray and if we didn't we got a detention, I would have probably gone mad.

[Adam!]

I know what i'd have done and it doesn't involve praying to Allah ;)

[FlyingJesus]

I'm all for learning about other faiths but making people pray to a god who isn't their god is just wrong whatever the situation

[PaintYourTarget]

If it's just a demonstration to further the education of other belief's then I don't see what's wrong with it. They're not being told to believe in Allah or put their faith into him, they're being told to fall in line with what their teacher's telling them to - which is just a basic matter of respect. The kids probably didn't say no 'cause they didn't want to pray to Allah or any of that crap, it was probably just because they didn't want to look stupid or listen to the teacher.

[FlyingJesus]

Normally I'd agree because I think kids need to respect their teachers and parents more but if they're being made to actually pray to a god they don't believe in that's kinda harsh

[PaintYourTarget]

They're not, it was just a demonstration. In primary school we were all made to pray to God - even those who were Hindu and Muslim, is that suddenly immoral to everyone? No, because it's "our" god.

[FlyingJesus]

The Muslims in my primary and middle school were allowed to leave if there were Christian prayers going on :P and by high school no-one cared. If people really object to a practise surely they shouldn't be made to go through with it unless it has a proper benefit? Of course people can't go around doing exactly as they wish but a demonstration like this isn't necessary, and should have been optional.

[Janczyk]

I refused to take part in anything in relation to religion in RE - I know it's stupid but everything was about how Christianity was so good and Islam was the life any everything. It's stupid because I'm an athiest and every time I told my teacher that, she disagreed with me and actually gave me detention and referrals because I don't believe what she believed and argued against it. It ended up in me skipping every RE lesson after that and not taking part in the exam which cost me a GCSE but I refuse to learn about any religion, especially Islam because this is a Christian country.

I mean, why on earth would you know the answer to this question:
Catholic's are of the opinion that abortion is wrong, show how a Muslim's beliefes agree/disagree with this.

How the hell do I know? I'm not a bloody Muslim.

[Isaac]

Another perfect example of why religion is bad and is ruining society.

[jrh2002]

I refused to take part in anything in relation to religion in RE - I know it's stupid but everything was about how Christianity was so good and Islam was the life any everything. It's stupid because I'm an athiest and every time I told my teacher that, she disagreed with me and actually gave me detention and referrals because I don't believe what she believed and argued against it. It ended up in me skipping every RE lesson after that and not taking part in the exam which cost me a GCSE but I refuse to learn about any religion, especially Islam because this is a Christian country.

I mean, why on earth would you know the answer to this question:
Catholic's are of the opinion that abortion is wrong, show how a Muslim's beliefes agree/disagree with this.

How the hell do I know? I'm not a bloody Muslim.

It sound like your teacher was useless :o I think learning about other religions and faiths even if its just the basics is worthwhile :) if somebody brings something up at least you can give your opinion on it if ever needed and not look ignorant. I must admit I am not religious at all and think its all a load of rubbish but I do know a little about it and it does make me smile that people actually believe in most of the far fetched rubbish.
I am sure you will survive without a gcse in it lol no idea what use it would be to anybody unless they wanted to head towards the god department for a career.

[Shawnstra]

Interesting to note that I am currently studying in a catholic based school. I myself do not have a religion, but there are people that are catholic, christian, muslim, buddhist in my school, and every day during assembly in the morning, we take a quick prayer, we just all join in and recite the prayer. Masses (sp?) and all, only catholics are required to join, but all others are given the option to join in too. We also are educated on all religions in our cirriculum.


There used to be racial riots in Singapore, but now I think it's all well. Sometimes we may just joke around in a racist way but its just like we don't really bother about it, just play along with it. I think that Singapore, being a multi-racial society, has been able to well, I won't say respect, but don't give any different attention to people of different races. The respect bit, I'd say, we still need to work on :D

[HotelUser]

That's illegal in Canada.

[--ss--]

They're trying to introduce all these tactics to prevent racism and yet incidents like these will just make people more racist.

Also i'm guessing the kids probably refused to do in an agressive manner/rude way seeing as I doubt no teacher is going to be stupid enough to give an detention for that, or could they?

[Pyroka]

Damn...

I thought the thread title was "Schoolboys disciplined for refusing the Pope." if you get me.

[Janet Snakehole]

I'm all for learning about other faiths but making people pray to a god who isn't their god is just wrong whatever the situation

Also agreed. It honestly is unfair.

[Virgin Mary]

Another perfect example of why religion is bad and is ruining society.
Sorry for giving you easter and christmas.

[Joshuae]

It seems to me, Muslims are trying to take over UK Laws & Education.

Next my little brother will be speaking Arabic and learning to cook Curry in Food Tech. :rolleyes:

[Leetzgirl]

It seems to me, Muslims are trying to take over UK Laws & Education.

Next my little brother will be speaking Arabic and learning to cook Curry in Food Tech. :rolleyes:


I cooking next year and i seen the lesson plans and we are doing a course for curry

serouisly

[Joshuae]

I cooking next year and i seen the lesson plans and we are doing a course for curry

serouisly

And my point is met.

[N-Dubz]

White people were meant to be the original colour for britain. Next it will be black. There probably wont even be any white people soon, or we will be the slaves!

Sick, but I'm not even joking.

[Joshuae]

White people were meant to be the original colour for britain. Next it will be black. There probably wont even be any white people soon, or we will be the slaves!

Sick, but I'm not even joking.


Not unless of:



White Supremacy will come back. (It will, trust me.)
BNP take over the Prime Minister spot.
A Mass-Civil war within Britain.

One of these, if not all will end up happening.

[Virgin Mary]

Curry is the most popular food in England, though. I hate it but most English people I know love it. Just looks like literal **** to me.

[N-Dubz]

Not unless of:



White Supremacy will come back. (It will, trust me.)
BNP take over the Prime Minister spot.
A Mass-Civil war within Britain.
One of these, if not all will end up happening.

I think we will be waiting a long time even if it does happen. Black people have a mass population, I hope White's do fight back somewhere along the line.

[Joshuae]

Curry is the most popular food in England, though. I hate it but most English people I know love it. Just looks like literal **** to me.

Yup. The sort you see when you have a bad stomach.

[e5]

How can they disiplin them for not praying? It might not be their religion :/

[Joshuae]

Not being rude but e5.
You have no idea what you're saying, you're just posting to get a higher post count to look "hard" on Habbo.

[Virgin Mary]

Yup. The sort you see when you have a bad stomach.
Joshuae? GET AWAY FROM MY POSTS, I don't need approval from the likes of you! lol!

[Joshuae]

Joshuae? GET AWAY FROM MY POSTS, I don't need approval from the likes of you! lol!

Lies! You need my approval. :(

[PaintYourTarget]

White people were meant to be the original colour for britain. Next it will be black. There probably wont even be any white people soon, or we will be the slaves!

Sick, but I'm not even joking.
But on the plus side, if they're busy running the country we might actually get a medal in Basketball... or the 100meter sprint.

[Virgin Mary]

We might also have good singers, not black people who sound white anyway. Like Leona Horseface.

[AndrewByrne]

Once agian I say,
How stupid can some people get.

[AndrewByrne]

We might also have good singers, not black people who sound white anyway. Like Leona Horseface.
ROFL xD


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[Herman]

And this happened in the UK. Why am I not surprised?

Showing a desmonstration is fine, but giving the students detention for not wanting to participate is out of the question.

[Yoshimitsui]

Good on them. Why should they have to pray to some religion thats not theirs. This is a christian country for god sake.

[today]

If it's just a demonstration to further the education of other belief's then I don't see what's wrong with it. They're not being told to believe in Allah or put their faith into him, they're being told to fall in line with what their teacher's telling them to - which is just a basic matter of respect. The kids probably didn't say no 'cause they didn't want to pray to Allah or any of that crap, it was probably just because they didn't want to look stupid or listen to the teacher.
Even so they shouldnt be told off for not praying..

[Yoshimitsui]

Even so they shouldnt be told off for not praying..

Exactly. Teaching people about it in class for 5 years against their wish is bad enough. If they don't want to listen they shouldn't have to. All it does it cause wars.

Making someone pray is out of order and should be punished for doing that.

[Loser]

I got a shedload of detentions in primary school for not participating in Christian prayer. Just because it's a different religion at hand, doesn't make it any different.

[Joshuae]

I got a shedload of detentions in primary school for not participating in Christian prayer. Just because it's a different religion at hand, doesn't make it any different.

Primary School do not do detentions.

[alexxxxx]

has the telegraph gone the daily mail's hate route?

but yeah - this is 'bang out of order'

I used to hate having to sing ****** 'god' songs at primary school.

[Jordy]

;4896746']has the telegraph gone the daily mail's hate route?

but yeah - this is 'bang out of order'

I used to hate having to sing ****** 'god' songs at primary school.Lmao 'Hymns', tbh some of them really stick in your head and they occasionally haunt me today still. I remember everyone in year 6 used to change the words to 'naughty ones' and it was hilarious :eusa_whis

'Morning has broken...'

[Innuendo]

If God had a hammer, he'd hammer in the evening
Or!
Father Abraham, many sons had Father Abraham

They were very very haunting... Still are.

[Loser]

Primary School do not do detentions.

Think they do mate.

[stickwitu]

the UK's racism problem has shifted onto being obsessed about it and misjudging what racism actually is.

this is beyond stupid, and more headlines like this will happen over the next several years - i bet.

[cocaine]

White people were meant to be the original colour for britain. Next it will be black. There probably wont even be any white people soon, or we will be the slaves!

Sick, but I'm not even joking.
how long do you reckon? :P

[jordanbratz]

*REMOVED*

[-Wolverine]

Yeah we have to learn about Islam in my school, and watch a documentary on how they pray and what they do and stuff, but we never actually had to pray. Being forced to pray to something you don't believe in is stupid.

[Teyauna.]

That's wrong. If you don't believe in Allah and don't follow their religion, how can you pray to them. It's not disrespectful that they didn't participate, it's disrespectful that they didn't take into consideration the fact that not everyone is Muslim and everyone follows different religions and forcing them to pray someone they don't even believe in. That's disrespectful. That is wrong and sad.

[Fehm]

OMG!!
Thats stupid. EVERYONE is given the right to be part of any religion they choose. there are no right or wrong in my point of view. Making someone pray for another religion is just ludicrous!!! Therefore, I think we shud do a habbox protest!

[Leicester]

Not unless of:



White Supremacy will come back. (It will, trust me.)
BNP take over the Prime Minister spot.
A Mass-Civil war within Britain.

One of these, if not all will end up happening.

1. How do you know? Labour party has the support of the black races.
2. BNP are Neo-Nazis, nobody wants that now do they? However they have some strong support wherebouts I live, village of Groby Leicester. But none of the blacks will vote the BNP and theres many campaign groups against them such as the UAF.
3. This idea is that of a year 2.

[awelsh]

I gave up with RE before year 7, why would I want to know about some other religion and why would I want to answer questions about it that make very little sense to me.

If that class was half like the one I had in year 7 that teacher wouldnt have stayed around for long.

Skive RE FTW!!

[Frodo13.]

I'm all for learning about other people's religions and beliefs, in fact, I find it disgraceful when people skive and mess around in Religion lessons, as I think it should be classed as a main subject.

However, I think the teacher was wrong here, as nobody should be made to pray or made to believe in/to a God that they don't was to. My cousin is in Year 8, and just the other day she told me how she also had to do this. I was like "Thats messed up..."

[NIKKEE]

This really annoys me. WHY the hell do we have to learn about their culture? Buildings for them to worship in are built here and people tolerate it. Maybe not so much after London bombings, but if any of us were to move to a country where the majority was a Muslim community we would NOT be given the same courtesys.
I know a girl who moved to one, the rule is that you couldn't wear anything that goes above the knee and tshirts were to have sleeves. She abided by that rule, yet she was STILL followed about and called a s**t!!!!
I can't stand this whole thing anymore, it pisses me off. Religion isn't factual, not everybody believes in it, but you can't argue with things like maths and at school facts are what we should be taught.
Maybe being taught to be tolerable to others, but that should come into everything, religions, race, sexual orientation etc.
Sorry I may have strayed a bit, but this is just stupid now.

[Isaac]

Sorry for giving you easter and christmas.

Easter is a sham.

And I believe it's XMAS.

[Markeh]

I refused to take part in anything in relation to religion in RE - I know it's stupid but everything was about how Christianity was so good and Islam was the life any everything. It's stupid because I'm an athiest and every time I told my teacher that, she disagreed with me and actually gave me detention and referrals because I don't believe what she believed and argued against it. It ended up in me skipping every RE lesson after that and not taking part in the exam which cost me a GCSE but I refuse to learn about any religion, especially Islam because this is a Christian country.

I mean, why on earth would you know the answer to this question:
Catholic's are of the opinion that abortion is wrong, show how a Muslim's beliefes agree/disagree with this.

How the hell do I know? I'm not a bloody Muslim.
I agree, I been forced to do an Islamic Art drawing. I got no clue how to do it. and we also spent more of the year studying Muslims than Christians. Personally it offends my own religion!
And I think this prayer stuff is DISGUSTING!

[PaintYourTarget]

I agree, I been forced to do an Islamic Art drawing. I got no clue how to do it. and we also spent more of the year studying Muslims than Christians. Personally it offends my own religion!
And I think this prayer stuff is DISGUSTING!
Well go to Church and learn about christianity then, if it means so much to you.
It's integral that we do learn about other religions'; they're willing to abide by how we live so we should atleast have the courtesy to learn about them in order to not offend them and 'cause further tension.

[Markeh]

Well go to Church and learn about christianity then, if it means so much to you.
It's integral that we do learn about other religions'; they're willing to abide by how we live so we should atleast have the courtesy to learn about them in order to not offend them and 'cause further tension.
Do they abide by the ways we live? I not too sure
I only gave an opinion and i get my head bitten off. It just seems as though they are dominating
I know what I need to about Christianity.
I wish to have no further part in this convo.

[PaintYourTarget]

Do they abide by the ways we live? I not too sure
I only gave an opinion and i get my head bitten off. It just seems as though they are dominating
I know what I need to about Christianity.
I wish to have no further part in this convo.
Our communities are quite liberal compared to what they are probably used to. They put up with that and also abide by our laws - you don't see many murders being committed by Sikhs and Muslims.
If you already know what you need to about Christianity then you can spare some time to learn about other faiths. I doubt it offended you, you're probably just kicking up a fuss for the sake of it.

The nation's going through a period of change, though all of our bank holidays go by the Christian calenders, most of our laws go by those of Christianity and our nation is still Christian. I don't think they're taking over at all - they're integrating and we have to learn how to accept that.

[Frodo13.]

They put up with that and also abide by our laws - you don't see many murders being committed by Sikhs and Muslims.


No, Muslims are only killing thousands across the world on a daily basis :rolleyes:

[PaintYourTarget]

Actually, they haven't killed a thousand a day since 2001... and that was a one off. But aren't our Christian soldiers doing the same thing?
Except for a handfull of extremists, you don't see regular Muslim members of our society commiting murder that often. It's usually other races or religions.

[Frodo13.]

Actually, they haven't killed a thousand a day since 2001... and that was a one off. But aren't our Christian soldiers doing the same thing?
Except for a handfull of extremists, you don't see regular Muslim members of our society commiting murder that often. It's usually other races or religions.


Your becoming extreamly confussed between race and religion. It's our BRITISH soldiers that are killing what you call innocents (I for one don't see people fireing at our troops as innocent people.) You seem to presume White = Chritistians and Asian = Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus.

And to be honast, you would be suprised with how many Muslims actually support these extreamists.

[PaintYourTarget]

Your becoming extreamly confussed between race and religion. It's our BRITISH soldiers that are killing what you call innocents (I for one don't see people fireing at our troops as innocent people.) You seem to presume White = Chritistians and Asian = Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus.

And to be honast, you would be suprised with how many Muslims actually support these extreamists.
In no way did I assume they were innocent. Just the majority of British deaths by Muslim, which you seemed to suggest, come from Insurgants in Iraq and Afghanistan against soldiers... our Soldiers kill as many, probably more, of them out there too. Most of the suicide bombing take place against other muslims, just other denominations.

The majority of British and American soldiers are Christian, I was making a whole generalisation there, like you were with your absurd comment about Muslims murdering thousands daily.

And what I meant by race was it's usually Whites, Blacks or Eastern Europeans causing crime in England - I said race because they can come from any religion and so on and so forther.

And most opinion polls published in the UK say Muslims don't agree with these extremists.

[Virgin Mary]

Easter is a sham.

And I believe it's XMAS.
You? But you're a simple Texan yeehaw cowboy. Christianity gives you a reason to hate them god darn blacks and gays. And easter gives you a reason to be fat.

[Frodo13.]

In no way did I assume they were innocent. Just the majority of British deaths by Muslim, which you seemed to suggest, come from Insurgants in Iraq and Afghanistan against soldiers... our Soldiers kill as many, probably more, of them out there too. Most of the suicide bombing take place against other muslims, just other denominations.

The majority of British and American soldiers are Christian, I was making a whole generalisation there, like you were with your absurd comment about Muslims murdering thousands daily.

And what I meant by race was it's usually Whites, Blacks or Eastern Europeans causing crime in England - I said race because they can come from any religion and so on and so forther.

And most opinion polls published in the UK say Muslims don't agree with these extremists.

British deaths DO come from terror groups - thats why we are in there, to restore order and peace in Iraq and Afgan. Hence the name 'War on Terror' Of course, the UK/US may kill more, but they are killing the people who are a threat to their lives. We killed millions in WW2, but that doesn't seem to be frowned upon

And do you SERIOUSLY think that if Muslims did agree with extreamists, they would broadcast it with the rest of the country? I doubt it mate. The reason I believe I do think they agree with them is through forms of media and even incidents and opinions I have seen myself.

[Slowbro]

Absolutely pathetic, what's this world coming to?! It's all about political correctness.

[Markeh]

Our communities are quite liberal compared to what they are probably used to. They put up with that and also abide by our laws - you don't see many murders being committed by Sikhs and Muslims.
If you already know what you need to about Christianity then you can spare some time to learn about other faiths. I doubt it offended you, you're probably just kicking up a fuss for the sake of it.

The nation's going through a period of change, though all of our bank holidays go by the Christian calenders, most of our laws go by those of Christianity and our nation is still Christian. I don't think they're taking over at all - they're integrating and we have to learn how to accept that.
Listen, they are taking over IMO, slowly but surely. Now can we just leave this fgs

[Virgin Mary]

Listen, they are taking over IMO, slowly but surely. Now can we just leave this fgs
If you're so paranoid then flee the country like .:.:.:.Undertaker.:.:.:. did. Oh so ironically, may I add.

[Markeh]

/\/\/\/\ I am not Paranoid. I refuse to carry on replying to this thread because everything I say gets moaned at by all of you. I thought this was a NICE message board but How wrong I was! I not fleeing the country. I will not leave because everyone else is moving over here.

[ChaoticSoul]

Another reason why religion is ruining the planet we live in.
I really feel as if Religions are just a way of making a person feel part of a group.
These kids shouldn't be forced to pray to someone that might not even be there....It's all out of hand.

[NIKKEE]

Also, did anyone read that ******* speech Tony Blair made. My God.
How political activism was something that you think of when you think of a few decades ago and protests etc, but he thinks the future will be more religion orientated.
HOW THE HELL CAN IT BE, not EVERYONE is religious!!!
This frustrates me so much, and it sucks cause I can't even do anything about it.
He pretty much offended everyone anyway, but he's completely biased being a Roman Catholic.
Politics and Religion shouldn't mix, especially when Labour once said "We don't do religion" And now Tony Blair has contradicted that, it's like basing the country on something stupid like music.
I just can't vent my frustration on a forum, it's just so unfair, because what are you meant to do if your life is being based on religious teachings when OBVIOUSLY there is no man in the sky and you know it's pish and you can't do **** all about it. Or even if you're in a different religion.
HUH?!

[Charly]

You know if we got rid of every religion in the world.. How much of a better place this would be? :)

And that teacher is a ******.