Russia warns over US-Czech shield

[Clowgon]

Russia has said it will be forced to react with military means if the US and Czech Republic go ahead with plans for a missile shield.

The statement came hours after the US signed an initial deal to base part of Washington's controversial missile defence system in the Czech Republic.

Russia's foreign ministry said it would respond with military, not diplomatic, resources if the shield was deployed. Moscow says siting the system near its borders could weaken its own defence.

Russia will be stupid if they attacked America. They and the rest of of the world are completely outmatched.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7496399.stm

[jrh2002]

I think they will need to go and get all their tanks back out the scrap yards lol they were a massive super power and now cant even crush the rebels in chechnya (sp? cant be bothered to check lol)

[Joshuae]

Good on Russia. They're not allowing themselves to be submitted into weakness by USA.

[PaintYourTarget]

I think they will need to go and get all their tanks back out the scrap yards lol they were a massive super power and now cant even crush the rebels in chechnya (sp? cant be bothered to check lol)
As opposed to America who are a massive super power and can't even crush the rebels in Iraq?

Russia would always fair well against the United States. They're about balanced equipment-wise, it's just down to the basic footsoldiers - there's more Russian but they're not as well trained.

[Joshuae]

To your post Paint, there's a saying:

Send 5 lions instead of 500 sheep. :)

[Jordy]

tbh it would be an interesting war, however would we be alive to tell it? No probably not, that goes for the USA, the UK, Russia and their allies.

I see where the Russian's are coming from, it's unnecessary for the Americans to put their missiles there as it does pose a threat, I'm sure the Americans wouldn't be happy if the Russians did that in Mexico or Cuba? :P

The Americans have been warned and I'm sure they'd give a final warning and then act.

[jrh2002]

As opposed to America who are a massive super power and can't even crush the rebels in Iraq?

Russia would always fair well against the United States. They're about balanced equipment-wise, it's just down to the basic footsoldiers - there's more Russian but they're not as well trained.

Although russia has alot of nuclear weapons still its military capability is pretty poor since alot of the country split away and made their own countires. Their planes and tanks etc are mostly very old now and not fitted with all the state of the art technology like the americans have.

I would think it easier to sort out a very small country thats joined to your own than sort out iraq which is much larger. I would put my cash on america if it kicked off but it wont come to that.

[Joshuae]

Although russia has alot of nuclear weapons still its military capability is pretty poor since alot of the country split away and made their own countires. Their planes and tanks etc are mostly very old now and not fitted with all the state of the art technology like the americans have.

I would think it easier to sort out a very small country thats joined to your own than sort out iraq which is much larger. I would put my cash on america if it kicked off but it wont come to that.

Just remember this, parts of Russia is still communist.
China is communist.

It'd be like:

China: Ooh, America, we hate those! Vs our good communist friends, Russia!

Then, as China get involved, UK step in, which will eventually lead to WWIII.

[Leetzgirl]

Lol at this.

Nuclear war coming.

[jrh2002]

Just remember this, parts of Russia is still communist.
China is communist.

It'd be like:

China: Ooh, America, we hate those! Vs our good communist friends, Russia!

Then, as China get involved, UK step in, which will eventually lead to WWIII.

I dont think china would get involved but who knows :o how its going america will be at war with everybody how their going lol they fall out with just about everybody but then think they can do what they like.
Regarding iraq they should never have even bothered.

[Joshuae]

China would bend over backwards to go to war with America.

[Blue]

If something does break out, I hope we don't get dragged into it. I would rather not have england bombed because we are an ally.

[jrh2002]

China would bend over backwards to go to war with America.

Well they have alot of fire power so if thats the case i would think they would :s maybe after the olympics...........

[PaintYourTarget]

Although russia has alot of nuclear weapons still its military capability is pretty poor since alot of the country split away and made their own countires. Their planes and tanks etc are mostly very old now and not fitted with all the state of the art technology like the americans have.
None of the country split. The USSR was a confederacy just like the EU is - just a lot lot stricter when it came to who governed it, it merely disbanded. Russia stayed it's own country throughout, and even then Russia supplyed the other Soviet states with weaponry.

And outdated gear? The Sukhoi Su-37 and Sukhoi PAK FA are both 4th/5th Generation Fighters, thoerised to be able to hold their own against American jets, and probably better than the Typhoons we'll be flying.

Their tanks although perhaps not as good as the Abrams or our Challenger 2's, easily out number the amount we have and in a Conventional war, they could overwhelm American tanks. Though, against a combined Europe they probably couldn't succeed.

People do underestimate Russia, they do have a lot of black projects going on aswell.

[jrh2002]

None of the country split. The USSR was a confederacy just like the EU is - just a lot lot stricter when it came to who governed it, it merely disbanded. Russia stayed it's own country throughout, and even then Russia supplyed the other Soviet states with weaponry.

And outdated gear? The Sukhoi Su-37 and Sukhoi PAK FA are both 4th/5th Generation Fighters, thoerised to be able to hold their own against American jets, and probably better than the Typhoons we'll be flying.

Their tanks although perhaps not as good as the Abrams or our Challenger 2's, easily out number the amount we have and in a Conventional war, they could overwhelm American tanks. Though, against a combined Europe they probably couldn't succeed.

People do underestimate Russia, they do have a lot of black projects going on aswell.

Do you work for the KGB or something? lol yes i know that has meant to have dispanded. I was on about the USSR who were as one and played as one football team etc but when it split alot of players all went their own seperate ways to their own countries.
You seem to be well informed with you makes and models etc :eusa_clap I have been to Moscow and st petersburg not so long ago and the military vehicles, tanks and planes all looked VERY old and in a pretty poor state of repair but maybe they had lots of new stuff hidden away. I would sooner have russias stuff than ours in the UK because ours is really old and we cant even get out soldiers the correct kit let alone a decent gun.

[Joshuae]

None of the country split. The USSR was a confederacy just like the EU is - just a lot lot stricter when it came to who governed it, it merely disbanded. Russia stayed it's own country throughout, and even then Russia supplyed the other Soviet states with weaponry.

And outdated gear? The Sukhoi Su-37 and Sukhoi PAK FA are both 4th/5th Generation Fighters, thoerised to be able to hold their own against American jets, and probably better than the Typhoons we'll be flying.

Their tanks although perhaps not as good as the Abrams or our Challenger 2's, easily out number the amount we have and in a Conventional war, they could overwhelm American tanks. Though, against a combined Europe they probably couldn't succeed.

People do underestimate Russia, they do have a lot of black projects going on aswell.

If Europe joined, fo' sho' China would hop on the Bandwagon.

[PaintYourTarget]

Do you work for the KGB or something? lol yes i know that has meant to have dispanded. I was on about the USSR who were as one and played as one football team etc but when it split alot of players all went their own seperate ways to their own countries.
You seem to be well informed with you makes and models etc :eusa_clap I have been to Moscow and st petersburg not so long ago and the military vehicles, tanks and planes all looked VERY old and in a pretty poor state of repair but maybe they had lots of new stuff hidden away. I would sooner have russias stuff than ours in the UK because ours is really old and we cant even get out soldiers the correct kit let alone a decent gun.
I'm hoping to go for an Engineering Degree and head off to the RAF as an Engineering Officer as soon as I've finished my A levels so I'm pretty into Military Tech. It's captivated me since I was a young'un and I can't wait to finally get my hands on some and work with it :P

I'm fairly sure that after the split of the USSR, Russia would still have been the largest country and would offer the best money, equipment and lifestyles for scientists, engineers and developers than any of the other Soviet Bloc states - they'll have got the fair share of them.

In Moscow/St Petersberg, are you sure the gear wasn't for the Police? Doubt they have the budget to buy the new stuff. I guess all the decent offensive tech will be stationed at Key Points, some towards the south pointing towards the middle east and the rest on the western front somewhere.

The SA80 which I believe the English use (might be a different varient, cba to go look) is an overall consistant weapon, just used to have a tendancy to jam in the sand and heat. Hopefully the lack of kit is being resolved soon - there's enough public pressure and the top Generals are asking for it too, just down to the pen pushers.

[jrh2002]

I'm hoping to go for an Engineering Degree and head off to the RAF as an Engineering Officer as soon as I've finished my A levels so I'm pretty into Military Tech. It's captivated me since I was a young'un and I can't wait to finally get my hands on some and work with it :P

I'm fairly sure that after the split of the USSR, Russia would still have been the largest country and would offer the best money, equipment and lifestyles for scientists, engineers and developers than any of the other Soviet Bloc states - they'll have got the fair share of them.

In Moscow/St Petersberg, are you sure the gear wasn't for the Police? Doubt they have the budget to buy the new stuff. I guess all the decent offensive tech will be stationed at Key Points, some towards the south pointing towards the middle east and the rest on the western front somewhere.

The SA80 which I believe the English use (might be a different varient, cba to go look) is an overall consistant weapon, just used to have a tendancy to jam in the sand and heat. Hopefully the lack of kit is being resolved soon - there's enough public pressure and the top Generals are asking for it too, just down to the pen pushers.

Good luck with your future career :)

It seems they started upgrading in 2007 and will take until 2015 :o i never knew that so maybe I saw the old stuff. I only had a day in each due to a football match and not being able to fly to correct airport so got internal flights and we flew from some military airport that looked like graveyard for their planes lol

pretty good info here :o they must be spending all that money from the oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Ground_Forces

[Karma]

If Russia & USA goto War! Then UK would figh along-side USA, while India who has a close relationship with Russia would help Russia out. Then all off ASIA would be on the side off Russia and maybe Africa. While EU may go along-side USA! which = WWIII

[PaintYourTarget]

India would side with the U.K and Pakistan with Russia, seeing as they're one of the main buyers of Russian hardware. China, Iran, North Korea and another country I can't for my life remember the name of would also side with Russia. The U.K, Israel, Austrailia, Canada, Japan and the Northern European Countries (Sweden, Norway etc) would take the American's side. France, Spain, Italy and Germany would sit on the fence not wanting to do anything.

If there was to be an American vs Russian conflict, I think it'd spark in the Middle East, most likely with Israel moving against Iran and America supporting them through the back channels - like with Special Forces and Intel and Russia doing the same with Iran. It'd blow up from there.

And Jrh, you might find this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_Aerospace_Maintenance_and_Regeneration_Group ) interesting - it's where all the American Planes get sent to be broken up. It's amazing.
I'll try and find you the pictures of all the crap the Soviets left in Afghanistan when they left.
Edit - Afghan Tank Graveyard (http://voffka.com/archives/2006/03/03/025268.html).

[Karma]

Wow! Then the more better reason for India to take down Pakistan!

[GommeInc]

Why on earth does the US need a missile sheild? They're just asing for war :/ Maybe it's to get ready for Obama or whoever the next President is :P I think it was 2DTV that had Bush going "I want a war!! All the other Presidents had one :(" Maybe they want the new one to have one too?

[jrh2002]

India would side with the U.K and Pakistan with Russia, seeing as they're one of the main buyers of Russian hardware. China, Iran, North Korea and another country I can't for my life remember the name of would also side with Russia. The U.K, Israel, Austrailia, Canada, Japan and the Northern European Countries (Sweden, Norway etc) would take the American's side. France, Spain, Italy and Germany would sit on the fence not wanting to do anything.

If there was to be an American vs Russian conflict, I think it'd spark in the Middle East, most likely with Israel moving against Iran and America supporting them through the back channels - like with Special Forces and Intel and Russia doing the same with Iran. It'd blow up from there.

And Jrh, you might find this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_Aerospace_Maintenance_and_Regeneration_Group ) interesting - it's where all the American Planes get sent to be broken up. It's amazing.
I'll try and find you the pictures of all the crap the Soviets left in Afghanistan when they left.
Edit - Afghan Tank Graveyard (http://voffka.com/archives/2006/03/03/025268.html).

They are amazing pics and im not on about the adverts on the russian site lol with the price of scrap now im suprised they are still there :p they are really good pics and well worth a look TY :)


Why on earth does the US need a missile sheild? They're just asing for war :/ Maybe it's to get ready for Obama or whoever the next President is :P I think it was 2DTV that had Bush going "I want a war!! All the other Presidents had one :(" Maybe they want the new one to have one too?

I think you could be right lol America make me laugh how they can have what weapons etc they like but then tell others they are not allowed them :S sounds like a spoilt kid at school to me.

[Joshuae]

If Russia & USA goto War! Then UK would figh along-side USA, while India who has a close relationship with Russia would help Russia out. Then all off ASIA would be on the side off Russia and maybe Africa. While EU may go along-side USA! which = WWIII

Right lets start with you.
You have no clue what you're saying.


India would side with the U.K and Pakistan with Russia, seeing as they're one of the main buyers of Russian hardware. China, Iran, North Korea and another country I can't for my life remember the name of would also side with Russia. The U.K, Israel, Austrailia, Canada, Japan and the Northern European Countries (Sweden, Norway etc) would take the American's side. France, Spain, Italy and Germany would sit on the fence not wanting to do anything.

Ameri

If there was to be an American vs Russian conflict, I think it'd spark in the Middle East, most likely with Israel moving against Iran and America supporting them through the back channels - like with Special Forces and Intel and Russia doing the same with Iran. It'd blow up from there.

And Jrh, you might find this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_Aerospace_Maintenance_and_Regeneration_Group ) interesting - it's where all the American Planes get sent to be broken up. It's amazing.
I'll try and find you the pictures of all the crap the Soviets left in Afghanistan when they left.
Edit - Afghan Tank Graveyard (http://voffka.com/archives/2006/03/03/025268.html).

It'd basically be West vs East =P.

Somalia, Iran, Iraq, etc will join Russia, sparking a relationship between Al Qaeda and Russia.

Yeah, pretty much if Russia declared war on America, the main war would start with the Middle East and build up to bombings on USA & Russia.

UK Would get involved to try and surpress the Middle Eastern power.
Then China would get involved and face UK.

North Korea I do believe would join the opposite side of South, due to their rivalry.

But, as this would lead on: Europe would get involved, especially France due to it's Alliance from WWI & WWII. But depending on how Germany reacts, with it's "remebered hatred" for Russia, UK & USA. It'd refuse to join in.

But, this is just an assumption.





Why on earth does the US need a missile sheild? They're just asing for war :/ Maybe it's to get ready for Obama or whoever the next President is :P I think it was 2DTV that had Bush going "I want a war!! All the other Presidents had one :(" Maybe they want the new one to have one too?

America, has a lot of bad reputation due to it's bad involvment with Iraq, it's a campaign to win back voters, but will spark another war. So you're right there.

[-Eyeless-]

So long as the UK doesn't act like a sheep this time and we don't back up the US then we should be fine, but saying that we probably would follow them....

[Joshuae]

In otherwords, we're screwed whoever we help or not.

[-Eyeless-]

Yup :( sucks to be us lol

[Joshuae]

Oh well, Wales won't be targeted as much as England. :D
As apparentely we're too small to oppose a threat.