Freedom of speech being denied, when it's the law?

[Niall!]

This post.
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4921679&postcount=2

Quote from wikipedia

Freedom of speech is being able to speak freely without censorship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship). The right to freedom of speech is guaranteed under international law through numerous human-rights instruments, notably under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights) and Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights)

I would not liket his thread removed as I would like the public views on this. Oh, and if I'm banned for negativity for one thread then it shows this place is corrupt.

Denying us freedom of speech, freedom to voice our opinions the way we want, IS, and I know it's been said before, a dictatorship.

Edited by Elkaa (Forum Administrator): Thread closed due to arguements and offtopic posting. Management have given a reply already regarding this.

[Janczyk]

To quote MAD;

"Freedom of speech only exists in political forums".

[Niall!]

To quote MAD;

"Freedom of speech only exists in political forums".

Which is a lie, when freedom of speech is a human right, a law.

[Janczyk]

Oh yeah I completely agree but not on this forum!!!

[Niall!]

Oh yeah I completely agree but not on this forum!!!

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but it's disgusting that you'd treat something like this so lightly if you are.

[Janczyk]

No, I'm not - I'm being deadly serious.

[Jamesy]

The internet is not a democracy or a government. Habbox are a company seeing as they make profit on certain things to pay for the servers etc and can enforce the regulations they want. You wouldn't go into work and call people all names under the sun and expect to get away with it on grounds of "right to free speech".

If you do not like the lack of "free speech" then there are plenty of other forums out there :rolleyes:

[myke]

The internet is not a democracy or a government. Habbox are a company seeing as they make profit on certain things to pay for the servers etc and can enforce the regulations they want. You wouldn't go into work and call people all names under the sun and expect to get away with it on grounds of "right to free speech".

If you do not like the lack of "free speech" then there are plenty of other forums out there :rolleyes:

Wow, you said exactly what I'm thinking. :P

I think everyone takes it too seriously...

[Janczyk]

The internet is not a democracy or a government. Habbox are a company seeing as they make profit on certain things to pay for the servers etc and can enforce the regulations they want. You wouldn't go into work and call people all names under the sun and expect to get away with it on grounds of "right to free speech".

If you do not like the lack of "free speech" then there are plenty of other forums out there :rolleyes:
You don't go out into the street calling "people all names under the sun" but there's still freedom of speech allowed there.

[nvrspk4]

Wikipedia, excellent source. You usually use Wikipedia when you need some background, not to present an argument. As I can see you have a pretty weak foundation.

Freedom of speech is allowed to be curtailed in private establishments. Even in public, libel is still a crime. You're a little mixed up bud.

[Jamesy]

You don't go out into the street calling "people all names under the sun" but there's still freedom of speech allowed there.

Go call a black man something nasty near a policeman, you would be arrested for disorderly behavior in public. Same as if you were swearing at everyone on the streets.

there is no true freedom of speech, and there never will be unless you spend your entire life in international waters.

[Niall!]

The internet is not a democracy or a government. Habbox are a company seeing as they make profit on certain things to pay for the servers etc and can enforce the regulations they want. You wouldn't go into work and call people all names under the sun and expect to get away with it on grounds of "right to free speech".

If you do not like the lack of "free speech" then there are plenty of other forums out there :rolleyes:

It's a human right.


Wikipedia, excellent source. You usually use Wikipedia when you need some background, not to present an argument. As I can see you have a pretty weak foundation.

Freedom of speech is allowed to be curtailed in private establishments. Even in public, libel is still a crime. You're a little mixed up bud.

So you honestly like it without freedom of speech? Or even accept that, because it's a forum, it can deny us human rights? Oh I suppose you would since you have the ground to ban us for arguing against something.

[Janczyk]

Go call a black man something nasty near a policeman, you would be arrested for disorderly behavior in public. Same as if you were swearing at everyone on the streets.

there is no true freedom of speech, and there never will be unless you spend your entire life in international waters.
If a black man called a white person something in front of a policeman it would be a different story though.

[Jamesy]

It's a human right.



So you honestly like it without freedom of speech? Or even accept that, because it's a forum, it can deny us human rights? Oh I suppose you would since you have the ground to ban us for arguing against something.

Right, not law.

Why not take this to the EU court, people do it for less :rolleyes:

[samsaBEAR]

Right, not law.

Why not take this to the EU court, people do it for less :rolleyes:
seriously, if you are really thinking about taking Habbox the EU court, lol@you
if you dont like how it is, there's a million and one other forums, especially forums that are purposely made for debates/free speach.
if you're being banned/warned for what you think is free speech, perhaps the reason you are getting punished is because you are wording in such a way that staff think you are being rude them/staff

[Jamesy]

seriously, if you are really thinking about taking Habbox the EU court, lol@you
if you dont like how it is, there's a million and one other forums, especially forums that are purposely made for debates/free speach.
if you're being banned/warned for what you think is free speech, perhaps the reason you are getting punished is because you are wording in such a way that staff think you are being rude them/staff

you seem to have misunderstood the meaning of :rolleyes:. I was being sarcastic at everyone taking this issue so seriously like their lives depend on freespeech on one forum.

[Niall!]

Right, not law.

Why not take this to the EU court, people do it for less :rolleyes:

Right, not law? Human rights are far more important than the law, you can't deny someone a human right for example, if you were given no education, that's the same as freedom of speech.


seriously, if you are really thinking about taking Habbox the EU court, lol@you
if you dont like how it is, there's a million and one other forums, especially forums that are purposely made for debates/free speach.
if you're being banned/warned for what you think is free speech, perhaps the reason you are getting punished is because you are wording in such a way that staff think you are being rude them/staff

I'm not being rude and I apologize if I have been sounding rude, I merely think the matter should be looked into and a change be considered.

[Plank]

Most forums have rules that limit what you can say. If Habbox didn't have these rules then it would be a mess.

[JackBuddy]

I think everyone takes it too seriously...
The same could be said for some mods too though, Neversoft said 1 thing bad about Habbox and he gets banned.

[Nick-]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=475051
A whole host of valid points that are eerily similar to the responses in this thread. Just to save me time re posting what I've already posted in another thread. ;)
The thread won't be removed and you won't be banned for this sort of post (although if you keep claiming Habbox is a dictatorship without valid evidence or valid arguments you may receive punishment of some sort based on the negativity rule). It's more likely to be discredited due to the fact that you've quoted Wikipedia.
In short, free speech does not exist any where, as Shane said, it's a myth, a myth that some people hide behind in court when charged with an offence because they know it's the ultimate get out of jail free card.
Not even 4chan, possibly the most uninhibited 'forum' in existence has pure freedom of speech, there are still rules and people are still banned for breaking them.

[Janczyk]

If we disagree with what management do or disagree with what a moderator does etc, does that not comply with the restricted speech on Habbox or does it?

I just want to clear things up this side.

[Nemo]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=475051
A whole host of valid points that are eerily similar to the responses in this thread. Just to save me time re posting what I've already posted in another thread. ;)
The thread won't be removed and you won't be banned for this sort of post (although if you keep claiming Habbox is a dictatorship without valid evidence or valid arguments you may receive punishment of some sort based on the negativity rule). It's more likely to be discredited due to the fact that you've quoted Wikipedia.
In short, free speech does not exist any where, as Shane said, it's a myth, a myth that some people hide behind in court when charged with an offence because they know it's the ultimate get out of jail free card.
Not even 4chan, possibly the most uninhibited 'forum' in existence has pure freedom of speech, there are still rules and people are still banned for breaking them.
I had valid arguments and evidence. So many that it seems i was banned and my thread was moved/deleted.

Thats all i'll say in this matter, dont really feel like getting banned again.

[JackBuddy]

I had valid arguments and evidence. So many that it seems i was banned and my thread was moved/deleted.

Thats all i'll say in this matter, dont really feel like getting banned again.
Your thread has moved to the complaints section I think.

[Nemo]

Your thread has moved to the complaints section I think.
That was pointless. They just silenced everyone then. They banned me and no one else can post in my thread. So basically the only people who can post in it are the admins. Good arguements happenin' there!

Couldnt help but say that.

[no waiii]

You never posted the rest you just posted what who seem like you are not getting your speech

although implementation remains lacking in many countries. The synonymous term freedom of expression is sometimes preferred, since the right is not confined to verbal speech but is understood to protect any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

In practice, the right to freedom of speech is not absolute in any country, although the degree of freedom varies greatly. Industrialized countries also have varying approaches to balance freedom with order. For instance, the United States First Amendment theoretically grants absolute freedom, placing the burden upon the state to demonstrate when (if) a limitation of this freedom is necessary. In almost all liberal democracies, it is generally recognized that restrictions should be the exception and free expression the rule; nevertheless, compliance with this principle is often lacking.

[Niall!]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=475051
A whole host of valid points that are eerily similar to the responses in this thread. Just to save me time re posting what I've already posted in another thread. ;)
The thread won't be removed and you won't be banned for this sort of post (although if you keep claiming Habbox is a dictatorship without valid evidence or valid arguments you may receive punishment of some sort based on the negativity rule). It's more likely to be discredited due to the fact that you've quoted Wikipedia.
In short, free speech does not exist any where, as Shane said, it's a myth, a myth that some people hide behind in court when charged with an offence because they know it's the ultimate get out of jail free card.
Not even 4chan, possibly the most uninhibited 'forum' in existence has pure freedom of speech, there are still rules and people are still banned for breaking them.

What I'm constantly depressed or negative and that's just who I am, why can they ban me for being myself? It's unfair.

[Corporal]

If anything mad's post is sexist as he implies he would only ban male's and not females.

Also you may have freedom of speach as a right.
But habbox can also sue you for slander.

[le harry]

i'm lost, why are we arguing about human rights on a forum lol

[Dentafrice]

I agree and disagree.

You can say anything you want.. but that doesn't mean there is not going to be consequences.

If you run around the street yelling '**** THE GOVERNMENT' or "I'M GOING TO BOMB THE WHITE HOUSE", and then claim it was freedom of speech.. no.. they are not going to take it that way.

Again, you can say whatever you want.. nothing is stopping you.. but expect consequences.

[Decode]

Your thread has moved to the complaints section I think.
So basicly, it has been deleted.

[Neversoft]

you won't be banned for this sort of post

Why was I banned for a very similar post then?

[flatface]

I agree with this freedom of speech thing, however if what you say breaks a rule then your going to get punished e.g. swearing etc.

[toxic]

I Can see why people have their posts deleted when they are just trolling/looking for an argument or abusing people when it's not needed, that is far from freedom of speech.

But! I've seen alot of people having their post deleted on here for just the smallest of opinions. Like the other day mine was deleted because i expressed my opinion on the people who leave/return/leave/return on a daily basis, the post had no bad language and wasn't causing an argument, it was probably not what the staff agree'd with so he/she deleted it, i don't see why people should be banned for it.

Forums are commonly used for discussing, debating, sharing and putting across your own opinion with in the basis that it's fair, on topic and not trolling. Not for everyone to go "Oh that looks good! 10/10!!" and post when the hotel is closed/back up. All it does is deter people with a brain and people who post topics worth reading away from the forum.

With that said, if it is a rule of habbox forum and you don't like it/won't follow it then you could always leave.. there are alot of habbo related forums on the net that don't have a dictator'esque out look.

'Freedom of speech is a very limited freedom' - me.

[ideabox]

I Can see why people have their posts deleted when they are just trolling/looking for an argument or abusing people when it's not needed, that is far from freedom of speech.

But! I've seen alot of people having their post deleted on here for just the smallest of opinions. Like the other day mine was deleted because i expressed my opinion on the people who leave/return/leave/return on a daily basis, the post had no bad language and wasn't causing an argument, it was probably not what the staff agree'd with so he/she deleted it, i don't see why people should be banned for it.

Forums are commonly used for discussing, debating, sharing and putting across your own opinion with in the basis that it's fair, on topic and not trolling. Not for everyone to go "Oh that looks good! 10/10!!" and post when the hotel is closed/back up. All it does is deter people with a brain and people who post topics worth reading away from the forum.

With that said, if it is a rule of habbox forum and you don't like it/won't follow it then you could always leave.. there are alot of habbo related forums on the net that don't have a dictator'esque out look.

'Freedom of speech is a very limited freedom' - me.

"I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - S.G. Tallentyre
That is what I believe in and if you disagree then simply don't read it. There are more frightening and terrifying things to witness in life than other peoples opinions and debates. Thats the beauty of forums, that you have the choice to look away or join in.

[Nemo]

ok i cant stay outta this thread, although i resist.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=475051
He debates with management, basically like how i did. He has received no punishment. I might have said ONE thing, which was slightly rude to management, but im sure an infraction/warning would have been sufficient.

Also, chris's ban was even more unfair than mine, he said 1 thing. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4918636&postcount=8) which i dont find being "constantly negative"

[ideabox]

ok i cant stay outta this thread, although i resist.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=475051
He debates with management, basically like how i did. He has received no punishment. I might have said ONE thing, which was slightly rude to management, but im sure an infraction/warning would have been sufficient.

Also, chris's ban was even more unfair than mine, he said 1 thing. (http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=4918636&postcount=8) which i dont find being "constantly negative"

Nobody in those posts deserved to be banned. They should adopt those as constructive criticism.

[Nemo]

Nobody in those posts deserved to be banned. They should adopt those as constructive criticism.
You share the same opinion as well, everyone except management. No one ive talked to says i or chris should have been banned. But thats management, dont really budge with a lot of decisions

[Sammeth.]

This thread is gay.

[ideabox]

This thread is gay.

x) I didn't believe for a second that the thread was considered to be affiliated with the homosexual viewpoint. :eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall

[Sammeth.]

x) I didn't believe for a second that the thread was considered to be affiliated with the homosexual viewpoint. :eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall
This thread is (the colloquial usage of) gay.

[JackBuddy]

Give reasons - Don't just say something and don't back it up. For example, do not say "Raise the limit for signature pictures" and leave it at that. Explain why you are suggesting your idea.
This thread is gay.

Thanks.

[Sammeth.]

Thanks.

Freedom of Speech! I did it.

Edit: Anyway, I think that rule is for when you are asking or suggesting or giving feedback. Not for opinions. May be mistaken though...

[Nemo]

Freedom of Speech! I did it.

Edit: Anyway, I think that rule is for when you are asking or suggesting or giving feedback. Not for opinions. May be mistaken though...
When you give feedback, you give your opinion on the matter, thats what feedback is.

[Hiro]

This thread has made my day.
I saw the title and just lol'd.

Freedom of speech is allowed, but anywhere you go some will get censored, for example, telling a police officer that he is a low-life scum, you'd probably get taken in for the night. Just like on here you get an infraction if you were to call management the same.
Someone go call management on another forum to "go **** themselves" and tell me the result...please.

[Sammeth.]

When you give feedback, you give your opinion on the matter, thats what feedback is.

Good point but I meant feedback as in starting threads and creating them to suggest points of improvement etc etc. As the rule states "Use reasons to back up your ideas" rather than feedback in the form of "This thread brings up a good point". However I was trying to make a point. I mean, if I had replied with "This thread is good." I doubt anyone would have raised the rule that I should back up my claims. The whole reason I said the thread was gay was to see double standards, and to see if people were practicing what they were preaching. Innit.

[Nemo]

Good point but I meant feedback as in starting threads and creating them to suggest points of improvement etc etc. As the rule states "Use reasons to back up your ideas" rather than feedback in the form of "This thread brings up a good point". However I was trying to make a point. I mean, if I had replied with "This thread is good." I doubt anyone would have raised the rule that I should back up my claims. The whole reason I said the thread was gay was to see double standards, and to see if people were practicing what they were preaching. Innit.
Ahh i see, well, have fun with that.

[Sammeth.]

Ahh i see, well, have fun with that.

I was going to but it kinda failed :eusa_ange

[---MAD---]

Sure freedom of right exists on the internet but once you register on a community where you agree to their terms of services / forum rules where the admin at any time without reason or prior notice can do whatever they want with the data then freedom of speech is void. If the admins decide to ban a user, or delete a post, edit a post or shut down their web site .. that's just up to them. If they feel content isn't "fitting" for their web site they can take action.

This is why as I mentioned earlier, freedom of speech is void on non-political forums.

[Nemo]

Sure freedom of right exists on the internet but once you register on a community where you agree to their terms of services / forum rules where the admin at any time without reason or prior notice can do whatever they want with the data then freedom of speech is void. If the admins decide to ban a user, or delete a post, edit a post or shut down their web site .. that's just up to them. If they feel content isn't "fitting" for their web site they can take action.

This is why as I mentioned earlier, freedom of speech is void on non-political forums.
Because that really puts up your popularity with the members

[JackBuddy]

To conclude this thread, I have come to the decision that NaughtyNemo and Neversoft's bans were unfair.

[Niall!]

Sure freedom of right exists on the internet but once you register on a community where you agree to their terms of services / forum rules where the admin at any time without reason or prior notice can do whatever they want with the data then freedom of speech is void. If the admins decide to ban a user, or delete a post, edit a post or shut down their web site .. that's just up to them. If they feel content isn't "fitting" for their web site they can take action.

This is why as I mentioned earlier, freedom of speech is void on non-political forums.

I read the T&Cs when I signed up and I completely forgot about that. Then again I've always hated that rule.

But as I said earlier, some people are depressed naturally, some people are always negative, they could have an illness or something causing them to be that way, why do you have to ban them for this?

[Sammeth.]

To conclude this thread, I have come to the decision that NaughtyNemo and Neversoft's bans were unfair.

Oh I agree with that. I think bans are a tad extreme for a minor offence.

[Janczyk]

Isn't there a rule on constructive criticsim?
Isn't there a rule on being negative?

Don't those rules contradict themselves?

[---MAD---]

Isn't there a rule on constructive criticsim?
Isn't there a rule on being negative?

Don't those rules contradict themselves?
What rules are you referring to?

[Janczyk]

What rules are you referring to?
The rules mentioned in my post :P

[---MAD---]

The rules mentioned in my post :P
I mean as in referance number (A2/B3) etc.

[Decode]

Im still confused about how Neversoft was "Constantly negative".

[Janczyk]

:rolleyes:


A17. Do not be a negative factor on the forum - We welcome constructive criticism but we also strive to maintain a positive environment. Administrators, as always, will have the final say on whether a member is constantly being negative on the forums.

There are major flaws in that rule as it is.


1. If you are not going to give constructive criticism, don't post at all - Do not reply to alteration posts with things like: bad. If you think somebody's alt is bad then tell him or her how to improve it and actually help.

I know that you've tried to balance it out, but if the work that is made is complete and utter tripe [which is most] and it cannot be improved - how can you be nice about it? I know you'd say don't post but isn't that what a community is for. Saying "start again, it's crap" I would class as constructive criticism as opposed to "lolz, that is mega crap i wouldnt touch that with a barge pole with a used tampon on it" which is being a negative factor.

Have you ever watched Dragon's Den? They don't spend hours telling them how they can improve their product/service/pitch they tell them to go away and come back when the idea is improved. Plus, many success stories are based on that philosophy.

Just a little feedback you might want to take into considering [also see my post in Complaints forum].

:)

[---MAD---]

The rule in brown is specific to the graphics category. A17 is specific to the whole forum.

[Janczyk]

Take that quote out and read the post as it is.

This is going off on a tangent anyway, PM me reply if you do.

[Niall!]

What rules are you referring to?

Are you going to reply to my post? About being depressed makes you negative, and some people can't help but being depressed due to hard family life or even a medical condition, yet you ban them for it.

[Neversoft]

Im still confused about how Neversoft was "Constantly negative".

And consfused you should be! My post was insulting if anything, not negative. As for the constant part, they've made a mistake. If someone looked through my entire 13,000 posts, they still won't find anything that proves I'm constantly negative. Quite simply because I'm not. I've PMed sierk about my ban, I would happily PM MAD about it since he knows the most, but everyone keeps telling me he never changes his mind. Why am I banned? I really do wonder...

[Nick-]

I read the T&Cs when I signed up and I completely forgot about that. Then again I've always hated that rule.

But as I said earlier, some people are depressed naturally, some people are always negative, they could have an illness or something causing them to be that way, why do you have to ban them for this?
If you were genuinely depressed you would not have the energy to get out of bed in the morning let alone debate on a forum. So many people generalise depression as simply being a negative person, it's more than that, it's a total lack of care for oneself and others combined with the deepest apathy for absolutely everything. Those who really do suffer from one of the psychological disorder's (either unipolar or bipolar) that are covered under the whole depression umbrella wouldn't be on the internet unless they are attempting to seek attention which isn't relevant to depression as the depression would be being used as a displacement attempt rather than genuine suffering. As an added bonus to my point it would actually be beneficial to ban someone from a forum because of an apparent mental condition, rather than posting on a forum, the ban may encourage them to use that time to seek help from a chartered psychologist.
Judging by your posts and the fact that you are actually posting I think it's safe to say that you don't have depression.

[Plank]

If you were genuinely depressed you would not have the energy to get out of bed in the morning let alone debate on a forum. So many people generalise depression as simply being a negative person, it's more than that, it's a total lack of care for oneself and others combined with the deepest apathy for absolutely everything. Those who really do suffer from one of the psychological disorder's (either unipolar or bipolar) that are covered under the whole depression umbrella wouldn't be on the internet unless they are attempting to seek attention which isn't relevant to depression as the depression would be being used as a displacement attempt rather than genuine suffering. As an added bonus to my point it would actually be beneficial to ban someone from a forum because of an apparent mental condition, rather than posting on a forum, the ban may encourage them to use that time to seek help from a chartered psychologist.
Judging by your posts and the fact that you are actually posting I think it's safe to say that you don't have depression.
You clearly haven't researched depression. :rolleyes:

[Janczyk]

If you were genuinely depressed you would not have the energy to get out of bed in the morning let alone debate on a forum. So many people generalise depression as simply being a negative person, it's more than that, it's a total lack of care for oneself and others combined with the deepest apathy for absolutely everything. Those who really do suffer from one of the psychological disorder's (either unipolar or bipolar) that are covered under the whole depression umbrella wouldn't be on the internet unless they are attempting to seek attention which isn't relevant to depression as the depression would be being used as a displacement attempt rather than genuine suffering. As an added bonus to my point it would actually be beneficial to ban someone from a forum because of an apparent mental condition, rather than posting on a forum, the ban may encourage them to use that time to seek help from a chartered psychologist.
Judging by your posts and the fact that you are actually posting I think it's safe to say that you don't have depression.
Maybe he came on the forum to try and escape the distopia of which he is involved in?

[Nick-]

You clearly haven't researched depression. :rolleyes:
Despite the fact that I study Psychology :rolleyes:
True clinical depression is exactly that, in some cases to the point of suicide. If you want I can delve into the causes of depression in humans, biologically it's essentially down to the suppression of the serotonin release system controlled by the hypothalamus, drugs are often used to bring the serotonin levels back to an acceptable level. Some patients choose ECT over drugs despite the negative image it's generated over the years from the media, usually this is used in cases that are an immediate danger to themselves or those around them as it provides relief from symptoms within an hour provided the immediate consequential after effects of disorientation, STM loss and mild confusion subside. Alternatively, in the more extreme and desperate cases of depression a pre frontal lobotomy is the only solution which involves the literal severing of links to or partial removal of parts of the pre frontal lobe. Lobotomies of any kind are permanent and only to be prescribed as a last resort solution as the consequences of failure are dire e.g. loss of other emotions, loss of certain motor controls or death. Lobotomy patients are also likely to never experience dreaming again as EEG scans have proven that this portion of the brain is highly active during REM sleep and NREM sleep to a lesser extent although the link between the pre frontal lobe and dreaming is yet unproven scientifically it has been reported that lobotomy patients experience a loss of dreams therefore it can be concluded that the pre frontal lobe plays a crucial role in the creation of dreams, although this role is currently undefined.
The socio biological explanations of depression are slightly long winded to be posted here although it's based on the idea that depression occurs as a result of a demotion in social status and I'm not the biggest fan of Freud's theories of psychological illnesses, I find them slightly tenuous and comparable to a loosely held together climbing frame that has a few screws missing plus I would need to explain the 3 areas of the psyche, they're development during the stages of psycho-sexual development and, to a certain extent, the Oedipus complex which is rather time consuming.
If you want to enlighten me on what depression is feel free to. While you're at it explain Sherman's EOBD hypothesis as well, whilst on the topic of depression we may as well attempt to explain the ultimate causation of BD rather than focusing on a proximate causation, perhaps you know something about the evolution of human intelligence too? Does the Machiavellian theory of human intelligence ring any bells? Perhaps you would like to share your opinions on the different theories of dreaming, personally I'm a firm believer in the activation-synthesis hypothesis, some of the more imaginative psychologists beg to differ and prefer to hold the more psychodynamic based theories (Jung's problem solving theory or Freud's 'psychic safety valve' theory) in higher regard although these are often criticised as entirely subjective and unfalsifiable which technically also makes them unscientific too. Then again there's always the reverse learning theory which is a relatively recent theory, although it's disproved to a certain extent due to the counterargument that anteater's don't actually dream therefore according to the reverse learning theory they should all be unable to function mentally simply because the brain can't hold enough information for long enough to ensure survival. Or you could inform me more about the socio biological theory behind PPD, another unique form of depression that often results in infanticide in the animal kingdom or maybe you've got some informed opinions on the whole brain size vs brain density in relation to intelligence debate that you'd like to share, if my opinion was asked for I would probably raise the argument that it isn't the size or surface area of the brain that defines intelligence (as proven by the case of the Blue Whale, if the largest brain = highest intelligence, why aren't blue whales at the top of the food chain?) but that intelligence is defined either by the number of neurons available within the cortex or by the number of layers in the cortex which has scientific support as primates have 6 cortical layers whereas cetaceans have only 5 and it's clear that primates are more intelligent than cetaceans, humans also have 6 which also provides an evolutionary link between us and the primates (although let's not bring that up near any creationists. ;))
If you want we can go back to the basic psychological theories ignoring the socio biological theory of human behaviour and focusing on the core 4 theories, assuming you know what these are...
How dare you say that I have not researched depression.

[Plank]

If you were genuinely depressed you would not have the energy to get out of bed in the morning let alone debate on a forum. So many people generalise depression as simply being a negative person, it's more than that, it's a total lack of care for oneself and others combined with the deepest apathy for absolutely everything. Those who really do suffer from one of the psychological disorder's (either unipolar or bipolar) that are covered under the whole depression umbrella wouldn't be on the internet unless they are attempting to seek attention which isn't relevant to depression as the depression would be being used as a displacement attempt rather than genuine suffering. As an added bonus to my point it would actually be beneficial to ban someone from a forum because of an apparent mental condition, rather than posting on a forum, the ban may encourage them to use that time to seek help from a chartered psychologist.
Judging by your posts and the fact that you are actually posting I think it's safe to say that you don't have depression.

cba to read all what you said, but depression affects people in different ways. It can be mild or it can be serious. What you said (in bold) won't apply to everyone.

Anyway, let's not turn this thread into something it's not. If you want to continue discussing it PM me.

[Niall!]

If you were genuinely depressed you would not have the energy to get out of bed in the morning let alone debate on a forum. So many people generalise depression as simply being a negative person, it's more than that, it's a total lack of care for oneself and others combined with the deepest apathy for absolutely everything. Those who really do suffer from one of the psychological disorder's (either unipolar or bipolar) that are covered under the whole depression umbrella wouldn't be on the internet unless they are attempting to seek attention which isn't relevant to depression as the depression would be being used as a displacement attempt rather than genuine suffering. As an added bonus to my point it would actually be beneficial to ban someone from a forum because of an apparent mental condition, rather than posting on a forum, the ban may encourage them to use that time to seek help from a chartered psychologist.
Judging by your posts and the fact that you are actually posting I think it's safe to say that you don't have depression.

I never said I was depressed, if I did it was a typo :rolleyes:

[Slowpoke]

I never said I was depressed, if I did it was a typo :rolleyes:

What else could you mean?

[Nemo]

Despite the fact that I study Psychology :rolleyes:
True clinical depression is exactly that, in some cases to the point of suicide. If you want I can delve into the causes of depression in humans, biologically it's essentially down to the suppression of the serotonin release system controlled by the hypothalamus, drugs are often used to bring the serotonin levels back to an acceptable level. Some patients choose ECT over drugs despite the negative image it's generated over the years from the media, usually this is used in cases that are an immediate danger to themselves or those around them as it provides relief from symptoms within an hour provided the immediate consequential after effects of disorientation, STM loss and mild confusion subside. Alternatively, in the more extreme and desperate cases of depression a pre frontal lobotomy is the only solution which involves the literal severing of links to or partial removal of parts of the pre frontal lobe. Lobotomies of any kind are permanent and only to be prescribed as a last resort solution as the consequences of failure are dire e.g. loss of other emotions, loss of certain motor controls or death. Lobotomy patients are also likely to never experience dreaming again as EEG scans have proven that this portion of the brain is highly active during REM sleep and NREM sleep to a lesser extent although the link between the pre frontal lobe and dreaming is yet unproven scientifically it has been reported that lobotomy patients experience a loss of dreams therefore it can be concluded that the pre frontal lobe plays a crucial role in the creation of dreams, although this role is currently undefined.
The socio biological explanations of depression are slightly long winded to be posted here although it's based on the idea that depression occurs as a result of a demotion in social status and I'm not the biggest fan of Freud's theories of psychological illnesses, I find them slightly tenuous and comparable to a loosely held together climbing frame that has a few screws missing plus I would need to explain the 3 areas of the psyche, they're development during the stages of psycho-sexual development and, to a certain extent, the Oedipus complex which is rather time consuming.
If you want to enlighten me on what depression is feel free to. While you're at it explain Sherman's EOBD hypothesis as well, whilst on the topic of depression we may as well attempt to explain the ultimate causation of BD rather than focusing on a proximate causation, perhaps you know something about the evolution of human intelligence too? Does the Machiavellian theory of human intelligence ring any bells? Perhaps you would like to share your opinions on the different theories of dreaming, personally I'm a firm believer in the activation-synthesis hypothesis, some of the more imaginative psychologists beg to differ and prefer to hold the more psychodynamic based theories (Jung's problem solving theory or Freud's 'psychic safety valve' theory) in higher regard although these are often criticised as entirely subjective and unfalsifiable which technically also makes them unscientific too. Then again there's always the reverse learning theory which is a relatively recent theory, although it's disproved to a certain extent due to the counterargument that anteater's don't actually dream therefore according to the reverse learning theory they should all be unable to function mentally simply because the brain can't hold enough information for long enough to ensure survival. Or you could inform me more about the socio biological theory behind PPD, another unique form of depression that often results in infanticide in the animal kingdom or maybe you've got some informed opinions on the whole brain size vs brain density in relation to intelligence debate that you'd like to share, if my opinion was asked for I would probably raise the argument that it isn't the size or surface area of the brain that defines intelligence (as proven by the case of the Blue Whale, if the largest brain = highest intelligence, why aren't blue whales at the top of the food chain?) but that intelligence is defined either by the number of neurons available within the cortex or by the number of layers in the cortex which has scientific support as primates have 6 cortical layers whereas cetaceans have only 5 and it's clear that primates are more intelligent than cetaceans, humans also have 6 which also provides an evolutionary link between us and the primates (although let's not bring that up near any creationists. ;))
If you want we can go back to the basic psychological theories ignoring the socio biological theory of human behaviour and focusing on the core 4 theories, assuming you know what these are...
How dare you say that I have not researched depression.
How dare you contradict someone who is actually right. I have been depressed, you might not believe that but i have. If i showed you a picture you'd know why. I wanted to kill myself, i was felt like life hated me and that i should just end it. I hated everything and was pretty NEGATIVE about EVERYTHING that was said to me. So you might have researched it BUT i have LIVED it!

So actually no, you are wrong and im afraid you cant wriggle yourself out of this one im afraid. <- Sounds negative right? Well its some harsh criticism. So once again, before you say they can't be negative because of an illness or something happening, maybe you should rethink that thought.

[Niall!]

What else could you mean?

ERR LET'S SEE

How many other members are there on this forum? At least one of them might suffer depression, just as Nimah did.

[Nemo]

Oh, did i also mention that when that did happen , i used to come on the pc a lot to escape basically all the crap i had to face when i was in 'reality' and im sure theres a few threads on hxf from my 'depressed' state.

[Coldplay]

Nick, Your being a bit pretentious there, Depression can be suffered in a matter of forums, for example my ex-girlfriend was depressed, it can randomly effect you, and cause mood swings and things like that, to say that to be depressed means you cant get out of bed is rubbish.

Everybody is depressed at some time in their life, being heartbroken is being depressed.

[Nemo]

Ahh that reminds me coldplay, this forum is full of teenagers.

Did you know teenagers hormones go nuts? HMmm i thought you would. mood swings and one time happy, another time angry.

[Coldplay]

I dont know if that was inteneded to offend me or not, I presume not, just a bit badly phrased.

But yes, Hormones generally do cause mood swings and make people feel depressed, so Nick, just because somone says they're depressed doesn't mean 'Clinically Depressed' with suicidal tendancies. A lot of people mean it because they're going through a bad period of their life and are feeling down.

[Nemo]

I dont know if that was inteneded to offend me or not, I presume not, just a bit badly phrased.

But yes, Hormones generally do cause mood swings and make people feel depressed, so Nick, just because somone says they're depressed doesn't mean 'Clinically Depressed' with suicidal tendancies. A lot of people mean it because they're going through a bad period of their life and are feeling down.
It wasnt lol, you just reminded me when you talked about mood swings.

Agreed with the rest ;D

[Coldplay]

Okay :)

Back on topic, Where in the forum does it stop you from freedom of speech?

[Nemo]

Okay :)

Back on topic, Where in the forum does it stop you from freedom of speech?
I think hes mainly thinking about me and chris suggesting things and then getting banned.

[Coldplay]

Thats the way it is I guess, it must've been Justified otherwise Mad wouldn't have done it.

[Nemo]

Thats the way it is I guess, it must've been Justified otherwise Mad wouldn't have done it.
Judging from my response, and everyone else's who isnt management, have said its not justified.

[samsaBEAR]

Despite the fact that I study Psychology :rolleyes:
True clinical depression is exactly that, in some cases to the point of suicide. If you want I can delve into the causes of depression in humans, biologically it's essentially down to the suppression of the serotonin release system controlled by the hypothalamus, drugs are often used to bring the serotonin levels back to an acceptable level. Some patients choose ECT over drugs despite the negative image it's generated over the years from the media, usually this is used in cases that are an immediate danger to themselves or those around them as it provides relief from symptoms within an hour provided the immediate consequential after effects of disorientation, STM loss and mild confusion subside. Alternatively, in the more extreme and desperate cases of depression a pre frontal lobotomy is the only solution which involves the literal severing of links to or partial removal of parts of the pre frontal lobe. Lobotomies of any kind are permanent and only to be prescribed as a last resort solution as the consequences of failure are dire e.g. loss of other emotions, loss of certain motor controls or death. Lobotomy patients are also likely to never experience dreaming again as EEG scans have proven that this portion of the brain is highly active during REM sleep and NREM sleep to a lesser extent although the link between the pre frontal lobe and dreaming is yet unproven scientifically it has been reported that lobotomy patients experience a loss of dreams therefore it can be concluded that the pre frontal lobe plays a crucial role in the creation of dreams, although this role is currently undefined.
The socio biological explanations of depression are slightly long winded to be posted here although it's based on the idea that depression occurs as a result of a demotion in social status and I'm not the biggest fan of Freud's theories of psychological illnesses, I find them slightly tenuous and comparable to a loosely held together climbing frame that has a few screws missing plus I would need to explain the 3 areas of the psyche, they're development during the stages of psycho-sexual development and, to a certain extent, the Oedipus complex which is rather time consuming.
If you want to enlighten me on what depression is feel free to. While you're at it explain Sherman's EOBD hypothesis as well, whilst on the topic of depression we may as well attempt to explain the ultimate causation of BD rather than focusing on a proximate causation, perhaps you know something about the evolution of human intelligence too? Does the Machiavellian theory of human intelligence ring any bells? Perhaps you would like to share your opinions on the different theories of dreaming, personally I'm a firm believer in the activation-synthesis hypothesis, some of the more imaginative psychologists beg to differ and prefer to hold the more psychodynamic based theories (Jung's problem solving theory or Freud's 'psychic safety valve' theory) in higher regard although these are often criticised as entirely subjective and unfalsifiable which technically also makes them unscientific too. Then again there's always the reverse learning theory which is a relatively recent theory, although it's disproved to a certain extent due to the counterargument that anteater's don't actually dream therefore according to the reverse learning theory they should all be unable to function mentally simply because the brain can't hold enough information for long enough to ensure survival. Or you could inform me more about the socio biological theory behind PPD, another unique form of depression that often results in infanticide in the animal kingdom or maybe you've got some informed opinions on the whole brain size vs brain density in relation to intelligence debate that you'd like to share, if my opinion was asked for I would probably raise the argument that it isn't the size or surface area of the brain that defines intelligence (as proven by the case of the Blue Whale, if the largest brain = highest intelligence, why aren't blue whales at the top of the food chain?) but that intelligence is defined either by the number of neurons available within the cortex or by the number of layers in the cortex which has scientific support as primates have 6 cortical layers whereas cetaceans have only 5 and it's clear that primates are more intelligent than cetaceans, humans also have 6 which also provides an evolutionary link between us and the primates (although let's not bring that up near any creationists. ;))
If you want we can go back to the basic psychological theories ignoring the socio biological theory of human behaviour and focusing on the core 4 theories, assuming you know what these are...
How dare you say that I have not researched depression.
So you're essentially saying depressed people shouldn't go on the internet, that's quite a stupid statement if you ask me.
I was recently 'hit by a bought' of depression, but that didn't mean I couldn't get up in the morning, or go on the internet or whatever. In fact, I got alot of help from people that I had met on this forum, that I still talk to on MSN and stuff. They helped because they had an un-bias view of the situation, they didn't know me, they didn't know the other parties of people, so it was exactly what they thought. Whereas with my friends in real life, yes they helped me get over it, however because they were bias towards me, it didn't have the same effect.
If you get what I mean?
Basically what I'm saying is you shouldn't generalise people's levels of depression
And you shouldn't think you're an expert on the subject just becase you studied Pshychology, for all you know, so could've the other person in the argument thing you got going.

[GommeInc]

To quote MAD;

"Freedom of speech only exists in political forums".
By his definition :P In real life it's meant to exist, but then again it doesn't. Censorship is all around us.

[Nick-]

How dare you contradict someone who is actually right. I have been depressed, you might not believe that but i have. If i showed you a picture you'd know why. I wanted to kill myself, i was felt like life hated me and that i should just end it. I hated everything and was pretty NEGATIVE about EVERYTHING that was said to me. So you might have researched it BUT i have LIVED it!

So actually no, you are wrong and im afraid you cant wriggle yourself out of this one im afraid. <- Sounds negative right? Well its some harsh criticism. So once again, before you say they can't be negative because of an illness or something happening, maybe you should rethink that thought.

I've re thought it, as you so knowledgeably suggested I do and teenage depression differs from adult depression, teenage depression can be pinned down to hormones, as you've said in a later post, adult depression can't. Most, if not all of my friends have been through an extensive period of misery for whatever reason, some have threatened suicide but none have actually gone through with it, (usually those who are serious about committing suicide don't tell anyone about it, it just happens unexpectedly) looking back on it it was fairly obvious that it was almost entirely down to the wacky period of teenage hormone imbalances rather than depression, some can handle it better than others, some can't and resort to cutting themselves. Perhaps you should re think that last line of the second paragraph, I haven't just researched it, I've lived it too, I've experienced the utter despair, scepticism and misery that seems to spring from no where and get worse and worse no matter what people attempt to say or do. I've experienced that seemingly helpless and hopeless situation that you don't know how to get yourself out of.
Something that I thought was a bit unusual is the sentence about showing me a picture, I don't know of any of your other problems that you've said you have but that sounds like classic teenage insecurity which happens to everyone at some point no matter what they look like. It's almost expected for a teenager to feel like that at some point, some can hide it better than others and externally appear as though everything is fine, some can't and decide to slip subtle sentences into their speech in hopes that someone will pick up on it and offer sympathy, I'm not saying that this what you're doing here but it happens so often with teenagers during a depressive phase. ;)


Nick, Your being a bit pretentious there, Depression can be suffered in a matter of forums, for example my ex-girlfriend was depressed, it can randomly effect you, and cause mood swings and things like that, to say that to be depressed means you cant get out of bed is rubbish.

Everybody is depressed at some time in their life, being heartbroken is being depressed.

Niamh has pretty much answered this in a later post, teenage heartbreak seems like such an epic tale of woe when it happens because of the mood swings brough on by hormones, it wasn't the happiest time of my life when it happened to me too but it was no where near actual depression and it rarely is close to actual depression in most cases because teenagers who suffer a recent break up can still be bothered to go to school, learn, pay a minor amount of attention etc. I thought it was geniune depression at the time until I learnt the medical definition after which I realised I got off pretty easy compared to how some adults deal with depression. :P
You're right, it can randomly affect teenagers, it's rare for it to randomly affect adults though, normally it's brought about by a chain of stressful or traumatic events or one large traumatic event such as the death of a loved one. Not getting out of bed was an example of a symptom, not the only symptom although it is related to the main symptom which is apathy.
Everybody experiences down days/weeks, months is pushing it a bit but it can't be classed as depression. ;)


Ahh that reminds me coldplay, this forum is full of teenagers.

Did you know teenagers hormones go nuts? HMmm i thought you would. mood swings and one time happy, another time angry.

I can see how Coldplay may have thought that was an insulting comment but there's a valid point here, hormones are often the main cause of pretty much every obscure trait that a teenager could show, it's a bit of a generalisation but it's surprisingly accurate in most people.


I dont know if that was inteneded to offend me or not, I presume not, just a bit badly phrased.

But yes, Hormones generally do cause mood swings and make people feel depressed, so Nick, just because somone says they're depressed doesn't mean 'Clinically Depressed' with suicidal tendancies. A lot of people mean it because they're going through a bad period of their life and are feeling down.

That's partially why I responded to Nialls comment which implied depression, it's a pet peeve of mine when people misuse terms, as a prospestive psychologist terminology is critical. I do it all the time when people talk to me, it irritates people when I correct them but it's worth the rolling eyes, tuts and moans I get because it would annoy me if I didn't do anything about it. :P



So you're essentially saying depressed people shouldn't go on the internet, that's quite a stupid statement if you ask me.
I was recently 'hit by a bought' of depression, but that didn't mean I couldn't get up in the morning, or go on the internet or whatever. In fact, I got alot of help from people that I had met on this forum, that I still talk to on MSN and stuff. They helped because they had an un-bias view of the situation, they didn't know me, they didn't know the other parties of people, so it was exactly what they thought. Whereas with my friends in real life, yes they helped me get over it, however because they were bias towards me, it didn't have the same effect.
If you get what I mean?
Basically what I'm saying is you shouldn't generalise people's levels of depression
And you shouldn't think you're an expert on the subject just becase you studied Pshychology, for all you know, so could've the other person in the argument thing you got going.

At no point did I say I was an expert on the subject but I would bet good money that I know more about it than most on this forum. ;)
Also, at no point did I say that depressed people shouldn't be on the internet, what I did say is that depressed people aren't likely to be on the internet because of their depression, there's a difference.
I got what you meant and an un bias opinion is essentially the role of a therapist, although you got it without having to pay £50 a session to a professional. :P

Anyway, pop psychology and teenage greivances aside, this is about freedom of speech although it appears to have turned into a ban appeal thread which, if it goes too far, will force me to lock this thread which is a shame because there's a fun debate somewhere in here underneath the off topic posts some of us have made, myself included. :(
As a reminder, those who ask 'what about my ban' or 'I made x post and got banned but someone else made y post but didn't get banned' won't get an answer in here because we don't discuss ban reasons. ;)

[GommeInc]

At no point did I say I was an expert on the subject but I would bet good money that I know more about it than most on this forum. ;)
Also, at no point did I say that depressed people shouldn't be on the internet, what I did say is that depressed people aren't likely to be on the internet because of their depression, there's a difference.
I got what you meant and an un bias opinion is essentially the role of a therapist, although you got it without having to pay £50 a session to a professional. :P
Depressed people aren't likely to use the internet? That's like saying children who eat apples are less likely to go to the zoo this year. Makes no sense... You make it sound like when people become depressed they form the same personality of likes and dislikes and will immediately stop using the internet. That makes no sense :S Are you studying AS Psychology, which as far as I remember, gets over run by AS and A2 Philosophy which discredits most of it? Why are you even bringing up psychology? That's nearly as daft as bringing up A-level maths when people are talking about something slightly linked to maths. No one cares...

[Nemo]

I've re thought it, as you so knowledgeably suggested I do and teenage depression differs from adult depression, teenage depression can be pinned down to hormones, as you've said in a later post, adult depression can't. Most, if not all of my friends have been through an extensive period of misery for whatever reason, some have threatened suicide but none have actually gone through with it, (usually those who are serious about committing suicide don't tell anyone about it, it just happens unexpectedly) looking back on it it was fairly obvious that it was almost entirely down to the wacky period of teenage hormone imbalances rather than depression, some can handle it better than others, some can't and resort to cutting themselves. Perhaps you should re think that last line of the second paragraph, I haven't just researched it, I've lived it too, I've experienced the utter despair, scepticism and misery that seems to spring from no where and get worse and worse no matter what people attempt to say or do. I've experienced that seemingly helpless and hopeless situation that you don't know how to get yourself out of.
Something that I thought was a bit unusual is the sentence about showing me a picture, I don't know of any of your other problems that you've said you have but that sounds like classic teenage insecurity which happens to everyone at some point no matter what they look like. It's almost expected for a teenager to feel like that at some point, some can hide it better than others and externally appear as though everything is fine, some can't and decide to slip subtle sentences into their speech in hopes that someone will pick up on it and offer sympathy, I'm not saying that this what you're doing here but it happens so often with teenagers during a depressive phase. ;)

Ok, this turned freakin personal now. You're saying, what i went through, for 3 years of my life and continuing, missing about 6months of year 7 and feeling suicidal 'classic teenage insecurity'!? OK, well i can't believe anything thats coming out of your mouth now, because thats a load of ****.

[nvrspk4]

I have a few points to make:

1) You guys are mixing up the theoretical / technical from practice. THEORETICALLY, we can ban you for any reason, I can go onto your account, remove all of your rep points, change your signature to I HATE MY MOTHER and ban your account. In PRACTICE, I would get fired because we ethically don't accept that. However, the rule that allows us to do that is for legal reasons. And we would rectify the situation.

2) Entirely free speech would mean that there would be absolutely no rules. None at all. And even though you might say you love it, you KNOW that with absolutely 0 rules the forum would be a madhouse.

3) We will not comment on bans, and you obviously know that.

4) Yes, all non-management would be against the bans because they don't know the full ban reason. I can't say I've looked into the particular bans but I know from past experience a lot of the time the full reason for the ban never makes it onto the forum as when the reason goes down the grapevine things gradually get omitted, or weren't told in the first place.

5) Bringing in theoreticals such as using HabboxForum to escape the distopia (I may have gotten the word wrong) is unproductive. We can come up with theoreticals for .01% of the population (this is simply an example) till we're blue in the face, but it won't get us anywhere. There is a theoretical refutation for almost everything.

6) Discussion of depression will stop here as it has somehow (damned if I know) turned from a theoretical discussion to a personal discussion, therefore people are liable to get hurt. People continuing the depression discussion will be dealt with, and the thread may be closed.

[JackBuddy]

I did AS Psychology- I got an E :D

[Janczyk]

I did AS Psychology- I got an E :D
Good post!

[Wig44.]

This has all been done before and has failed. I find this over the top and a little pathetic? As has been said before 'freedom of speech may be curtailed in private establishments'

There is NO 100% freedom of speech. There is freedom of speech to a high degree but even, say, teachers don't have freedom of speech - take homosexuality for example.

Clearly whatever you are saying that is being hidden/removed is pretty ****** and doesn't deserve to be read. I say that freedom of speech on habbox is fine. Stop drawing attention to yourself.

[ideabox]

I have a few points to make:

1) You guys are mixing up the theoretical / technical from practice. THEORETICALLY, we can ban you for any reason, I can go onto your account, remove all of your rep points, change your signature to I HATE MY MOTHER and ban your account. In PRACTICE, I would get fired because we ethically don't accept that. However, the rule that allows us to do that is for legal reasons. And we would rectify the situation.

2) Entirely free speech would mean that there would be absolutely no rules. None at all. And even though you might say you love it, you KNOW that with absolutely 0 rules the forum would be a madhouse.

3) We will not comment on bans, and you obviously know that.

4) Yes, all non-management would be against the bans because they don't know the full ban reason. I can't say I've looked into the particular bans but I know from past experience a lot of the time the full reason for the ban never makes it onto the forum as when the reason goes down the grapevine things gradually get omitted, or weren't told in the first place.

5) Bringing in theoreticals such as using HabboxForum to escape the distopia (I may have gotten the word wrong) is unproductive. We can come up with theoreticals for .01% of the population (this is simply an example) till we're blue in the face, but it won't get us anywhere. There is a theoretical refutation for almost everything.

6) Discussion of depression will stop here as it has somehow (damned if I know) turned from a theoretical discussion to a personal discussion, therefore people are liable to get hurt. People continuing the depression discussion will be dealt with, and the thread may be closed.
I laughed at the "people are liable to get hurt" part. Wait, you get paid for being here?!
Didn't know that =P

[--ss--]

Freedom of Speech doesn't exist and will never actually exist, Freedom of Speech is just a myth and a lie.

[Janczyk]

Freedom of Speech doesn't exist and will never actually exist, Freedom of Speech is just a myth and a lie.

Of course it exists it's just not ethical for it to be put into practice.

[Nippeh]

Freedom of Speech is general Speech (talking) between two individuals or more.

This is discussion, rather than speech?

Either way, if the rules were that we are allowed to swear and this forum was preventing us of it, I think the forum would be shut down?

[Jordy]

Lmao at the EU Courts? The forum is based in Texas so your going to have trouble?

I remember someone at school recently said 'This breaches my Human Rights!' - Someone just replied 'What human rights?'

Exactly that, what freedom of speech and what human rights are there in the world?

[HotelUser]

This thread is ridiculous in my opinion. Habbox is not a country. It is a community moderated by volunteers. If you're going to post here, be considerate and just be polite. Obviously not everybody is going to have the same opinions on everything, but if you're going about it in a rude/ignorant way, of course there is going to be repercussions. In 4 years I've never had a problem with free speech here.

[Leetzgirl]

freedom exist; and i dont care if it in the law;

people just use common sense.

freedom speech; use it wisely lololol