Moderaters are infracting for no reason?

[Decode]

This is not a complaint so dont move it to the complaints forum, its just feedback. :)




21-07-2008 10:10 PM recieved from SyrupyMonkey

I merely said "I am pretty sure my signature has hurt nobody and it isn't asking for reputation.. what does rep bring me? a bigger e-penis?"... never did i be rude to him in this PM..

Sarcasm is a form of rudeness, infraction fair. ~ Kaotix12
That is 100% unfair, there is nothing rude about that?


This is ridiculous I got infractions for posting info that yesterday about big brother

Sarah was sick on the floor after a party Coldplay infractioned me for not using spoilers everyone knows -.-

There are new rules regarding the use of spoilers, therefore the infraction is fair and please only use this thread to report infraction problems. ~ Kaotix12

The spoiler rule is getting rediculous, I don't watch Big Brother, but if sarah was sick on the floor they have obviously showen it on TV so there realy isn't anything to "spoil".

Does anyone else think moderaters are going over the top?

[Janczyk]

I got infracted for telling someone that someones problem in the relationships forum wasn't about Habbo :rolleyes:

[Lee]

I do not agree with the 1st infraction as it wasn't rude..

[Elkaa]

I'll double check these for you shortly. :)

[--ss--]

Surely the users are meant to get a pm regarding the offence first , then a warning, then another warning , and then finally and infraction for each different offence or what ever silly way it's being done :eusa_whis.

[Paulio]

Infractions are pointless all together. SCRAP EM'

[e5]

If it was aired on c4 you don't need to use spoiler, if it wasn't you do. that's the basic rule
but the sarcasm one was unfair lol

[Rixion]

bit harsh there.

[Elkaa]

Okay, checked them now and I'll try and sort the spolier siutation.

Edit: I've gone through the entire thread and reversed some of the more harsh ones. The spoiler ones will, however, remain as that's the rule for the moment.

[mat64]

An infraction is still abit harsh though isn't it for such a minor offense? As from what I can remember infractions are only used for harder rule breaks or repeat offenses. I fail to see how not using a spoiler would count as a hard rule break and even on repeat offense I would see that as rather harsh because infractions count for so much these days. The first was also rather harsh for an infraction or even a warning, especially if the person targetted wasn't offened by the comment made.

I would have hoped the moderation departement would have evolved abit since the time I was around but it still doesn't seem the case. At a guess I'm going to say that moderators are still been evaluated on the amount of logs and infractions that they get per month which is a rather silly way of evaluating someone if that is the case because then you end up with problems like this. Other sites don't have this problem because they don't appoint any old joe to the position in the first place, and afterwards they are only watched very lightly for activity and troubles. I don't think I've every agreed to evaluating moderation in this way, although it does work well, it has the side effects of what is in the OP and what you see in the infractions problem thread day after day.

Obviously the above can be disregarded if that's no longer the case.

[Elkaa]

At a guess I'm going to say that moderators are still been evaluated on the amount of logs and infractions that they get per month

Not anymore. :)

[no waiii]

Coldplay said that he was not going to spoiler anything in the BB fourms and he has not got infracted

[Invent]

Coldplay said that he was not going to spoiler anything in the BB fourms and he has not got infractedIsn't he staff? (Moderators aren't allowed to take action against other staff members).

[no waiii]

Isn't he staff? (Moderators aren't allowed to take action against other staff members).

Yes he is, but i think that rule should be changed to allow admins or SMods to alloud infract/warn staff under them

[mat64]

Not anymore. :)
That's great news, although that leaves me wondering what the cause is for these sort of infractions been given out then.


Yes he is, but i think that rule should be changed to allow admins or SMods to alloud infract/warn staff under them
That's something I was asking for whilst I was a super moderator. It's a big time saver for moderators to be able to infract/warn other staff rather than having nvrspk4 doing it. Although it'd make sense for him to still ban them and such, considering that would be tied in with them been removed from there position. It didn't make much sense to me to see why we couldn't take action on them, after all staff aren't supposed to be any further from the rules than members are.

[Slowpoke]

Yes he is, but i think that rule should be changed to allow admins or SMods to alloud infract/warn staff under them

Administrators are allowed and both moderators and super moderators are allowed in exceptional circumstances (staff being hacked/staff posting inappropriate images as a few examples).

[Yoshimitsui]

Administrators are allowed and both moderators and super moderators are allowed in exceptional circumstances .

You should go read a certain thread and take back that comment very quickly.

And Moderators are equal to any othr staff member, the only exception is the powers they posses.

[Slowpoke]

You should go read a certain thread and take back that comment very quickly.

And Moderators are equal to any othr staff member, the only exception is the powers they posses.

Have you actually read the moderator guide? I'd quote it here but it's not allowed. What I just said is correct.

[no waiii]

But i mean if they break a normal rule like double post or post in trading section without is being related to tradeing because i saw staff doing thins and there posts were not edited likethe other people who posted in the section.

[Slowpoke]

But i mean if they break a normal rule like double post or post in trading section without is being related to tradeing because i saw staff doing thins and there posts were not edited likethe other people who posted in the section.

General rulebreaking is dealt with by nvrspk4, you should PM him with a link to the post if you see any. :)

[no waiii]

But he is in a diff time zone so i think SMODS or Admins should be alloud to deal with this as there are more of them. And they will always be on the forum

[Jordy]

If anyone can remember all the huge changes a months ago, the most important change for me was 'The common sense rule' which Professor-Alex brought in, it means Moderator's are meant to use their common sense if something in the rules is unreasonable for that circumstance. By the looks of it, this approach has already diminished.

I'm forever seeing inappropriate posts though all over the forum and there isn't a rule about posting inappropriately so they get away with it. Instead of wasting their time on infractions like this, can't there be a rule for posting inappropriately, like crossing the line as it's done way too much and unless they go into detail about sex then nothing can be done.

[Sunny.]

Lol Moderators just like giving out infractions because it looks good on their monthly report :rolleyes:

I found out it was pathetic when I was perm banned for Re-opening a thread which had been closed.

Surely thats an infraction not a Perm ban? I also had no infractions before that either. Only 1 warning. To me habbox has kinda get pathetic over the last year or so.

Dont know if im the only one who thinks that though but im sure most people will agree that HabboxForum needs to be sorted out.

[Slowpoke]

Lol Moderators just like giving out infractions because it looks good on their monthly report :rolleyes:

I found out it was pathetic when I was perm banned for Re-opening a thread which had been closed.

Surely thats an infraction not a Perm ban? I also had no infractions before that either. Only 1 warning. To me habbox has kinda get pathetic over the last year or so.

Dont know if im the only one who thinks that though but im sure most people will agree that HabboxForum needs to be sorted out.

That's because it's classed as abuse of VIP powers and that has always resulted in a permanent ban.

[no waiii]

That's because it's classed as abuse of VIP powers and that has always resulted in a permanent ban.

But VIP's are paying for this site to stay open and for you to have something to do (Moderate) so if people get permed banned for opeing a thread there obv not gunna buy VIP again.

[Slowpoke]

But VIP's are paying for this site to stay open and for you to have something to do (Moderate) so if people get permed banned for opeing a thread there obv not gunna buy VIP again.

An administrator would be better able to answer that question. :)

[no waiii]

An administrator would be better able to answer that question. :)

I dunno if it was suppose to be a Question LOL :P

[The Professor]

If anyone can remember all the huge changes a months ago, the most important change for me was 'The common sense rule' which Professor-Alex brought in, it means Moderator's are meant to use their common sense if something in the rules is unreasonable for that circumstance. By the looks of it, this approach has already diminished.

I'm forever seeing inappropriate posts though all over the forum and there isn't a rule about posting inappropriately so they get away with it. Instead of wasting their time on infractions like this, can't there be a rule for posting inappropriately, like crossing the line as it's done way too much and unless they go into detail about sex then nothing can be done.

The problem with moderators using common sense is that it involves that fateful principle of perception. One can be obviously rude to one person can be seem as harmless banter and even humour to another person. Sarcasm, unfortunately, is often right on the border. Unless used to comedic effect, personally I can't stand sarcasm because it makes the person sound arrogant and nasty where he can put the same point across without using sarcasm. The case highlighted in this thread appears to be an extreme case and one of genuine error rather than justifiable misinterpretation, but if moderators are able to decide what is and isn't punishable a certain degree of flexibility has to be allowed for.


Yes he is, but i think that rule should be changed to allow admins or SMods to alloud infract/warn staff under them

Staff and moderators are on the same level in the habbox hierachy. A moderator punishing a staff member makes them seem above the staff member, but moreover can create tension and even arguments, especially if the person being punished works in the same department as the moderator.


But VIP's are paying for this site to stay open and for you to have something to do (Moderate) so if people get permed banned for opeing a thread there obv not gunna buy VIP again.

Despite the fact that you pay for the right to be able to close threads, you still have the responsibility not to abuse it. If you break the responsibility, you get punished for it. The consequences are made pretty clear and are designed as a deterrant as much as a punishment.

[no waiii]

Staff and moderators are on the same level in the habbox hierachy. A moderator punishing a staff member makes them seem above the staff member, but moreover can create tension and even arguments, especially if the person being punished works in the same department as the moderator.[/





I know but atlest have more than one person who can punnish a rule breaking staff, like alloud ADMINS to do so.

[Sunny.]

Even if its opening the thread to finish your side of the story, and then CLOSING it to prevent further arguements?

Dont quite get that...