"trolling"

[Mr.Sam]

I think the trolling rule should be changed as users and some moderators seem to understand it to be for general arguments.

"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

I think the fact they have called it trolling is confusing a lot of people. would it not be simpler to change it to "Posting to cause an argument"

I'm not sure why you labelled it as trolling in the first place because not everyone seems to know what it means.

[msb.]

I have to agree with you tbh, it does make more sense your way.


I think the trolling rule should be changed as users and some moderators seem to understand it to be for general arguments.

"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

I think the fact they have called it trolling is confusing a lot of people. would it not be simpler to change it to "Posting to cause an argument"

I'm not sure why you labelled it as trolling in the first place because not everyone seems to know what it means.

Bit in red I don't get tho, what do you mean newsgroup, who in this situation on the forum :S?

[Mr.Sam]

newsgroup is kinda like a forum.

[msb.]

newsgroup is kinda like a forum.
Oh in that way, nonetheless I agree "troll isn't exactly the best definition"

[Bef]

Agreed :)

[The Professor]

So if I've got this straight, you're requesting the offence be renamed from "trolling" to "posting to cause arguments"?

It was called trolling in the first place for the same reason that reviving an old thread is called bumping; its just an internet term.

[Coldplay]

The name is fine the way it is.

[FlyingJesus]

Only problem I have is that I think arguments should be allowed lol. If this is a community we should be allowed to act as such - people do not always like their neighbours init

[Jordy]

Only problem I have is that I think arguments should be allowed lol. If this is a community we should be allowed to act as such - people do not always like their neighbours initYeah I totally agree and I'm sure everyone else does, it's just this is a teen forum an argument/disagreement very swiftly turns to personal attacks and name calling on this forum. The majority of arguments on this forum are ended by stupidity or pointless posting.

If we could learn to debate properly then I'm sure they wouldn't close threads but there's always going to be immature people around and some people look for arguments instead of genuinely disagreeing with someone.

[Bef]

No, i think the point is that some mods dont seem to understand what the term means themselves and are deleting posts needlessly.
We are unable to debate anything, we are unable to have any fun.
My sense of humour, like some others is being deleted by some power mad 12 year old!

[Mario]

Completely agree with Bef

[Ashley]

No, i think the point is that some mods dont seem to understand what the term means themselves and are deleting posts needlessly.
We are unable to debate anything, we are unable to have any fun.
My sense of humour, like some others is being deleted by some power mad 12 year old!

If you are referring to me, I'm not 12 and as far as I know, neither are any other Moderators. :)

[Bef]

If you are referring to me, I'm not 12 and as far as I know, neither are any other Moderators. :)
No im referring to mods i used to know... *Removed*

Edited by Kaotix12 (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not create troll posts.

[Coldplay]

No im referring to mods i used to know...*Removed*

Thats a bit below the belt, the moderation team are fantastic, and do a lot of hard work, it's unfair to have a go, because simply putting it, you don't realise HOW much work they DO

[Bef]

Thats a bit below the belt, the moderation team are fantastic, and do a lot of hard work, it's unfair to have a go, because simply putting it, you don't realise HOW much work they DO
Do u realise there was actually a 12 year old moderator on here who used to naked cam people... among other mods who did similer?

[Coldplay]

Still below the belt, Moderators do a lot of hard work. What they do in their private life is none of your - nor anybody elses - buisness.

[Slowpoke]

Do u realise there was actually a 12 year old moderator on here who used to naked cam people... among other mods who did similer?

And that has what to do with moderating? :rolleyes:

[Coldplay]

=] It was removed anyway, but either way, Moderators do a good job, maybe you should all appreciate that more.

[MissAlice]

I think the trolling rule should be changed as users and some moderators seem to understand it to be for general arguments.

"One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument"

I think the fact they have called it trolling is confusing a lot of people. would it not be simpler to change it to "Posting to cause an argument"

I'm not sure why you labelled it as trolling in the first place because not everyone seems to know what it means.

If members don't understand the meaning of trolling, and I certainly didn't to begin with, then surely it needs clarification or as you have suggested a clearer meaning, words of simple understanding.

[Slowpoke]

If members don't understand the meaning of trolling, and I certainly didn't to begin with, then surely it needs clarification or as you have suggested a clearer meaning, words of simple understanding.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513178

It was explained there Alice although I think that that thread needs to be pinned somewhere for a while where everyone can see it and be made fully aware of the changes. It was only on show for about fifteen minutes before it was bumped down by a thread about someone being promoted.

[Ashley]

If members don't understand the meaning of trolling, and I certainly didn't to begin with, then surely it needs clarification or as you have suggested a clearer meaning, words of simple understanding.

There was recently an announcement made regarding trolling (click here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513178) for it) and it did give a clear definition of trolling;

Posts that aren't necessarily insulting or accusatory, but are unnecessarily negative, do not contribute to the thread and designed to bait a user into an emotional response.

[Slowpoke]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513178

It was explained there Alice although I think that that thread needs to be pinned somewhere for a while where everyone can see it and be made fully aware of the changes. It was only on show for about fifteen minutes before it was bumped down by a thread about someone being promoted.


There was recently an announcement made regarding trolling (click here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513178) for it) and it did give a clear definition of trolling;

Yes but as I said, it was bumped down very quickly and I reckon a lot of people still don't even know about it.

[MissAlice]

There was recently an announcement made regarding trolling (click here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513178) for it) and it did give a clear definition of trolling;

Thanks :)
I do know what it means now ;) I did read that thread, but that's probably because I do read announcements. Can I find this in FAQ or in the Forum Rules?

[Ashley]

Yes but as I said, it was bumped down very quickly and I reckon a lot of people still don't even know about it.

I've just sent a PM to nvrspk4 requesting that the thread is stickied for users who may not have had a chance to read it yet. :)


Thanks :)
I do know what it means now ;) I did read that thread, but that's probably because I do read announcements. Can I find this in FAQ?
I don't think that the definition is in FAQ at the moment, but it would be a very good idea to have it added. :)

[Slowpoke]

Nice one!

[Bef]

=] It was removed anyway, but either way, Moderators do a good job, maybe you should all appreciate that more.

Moderators choose to be moderators... personally i cant see the attraction but they obviously do. I don't see why they should be appreciated more? If they want to waste their time moderating then that is there choice isn't it? They are not forced to become moderators!

Anyway, arnt you going off topic?

[Coldplay]

If nobody voulenterred, there would be no forum.

Additionally, just becasue they choose to do it doesn't mean you should treat them differently, you should appreciate the WORK they do.

[MissAlice]

I've just sent a PM to nvrspk4 requesting that the thread is stickied for users who may not have had a chance to read it yet. :)


I don't think that the definition is in FAQ at the moment, but it would be a very good idea to have it added. :)

I can't find it in the Forum Rules or FAQ, and the thread was posted in Habbox Announcements (shouldn't it of been posted in Developments?) maybe now would be a good time to do as the thread creator has suggested, make it easy for everyone to understand.

[Invent]

Moderators choose to be moderators... personally i cant see the attraction but they obviously do. I don't see why they should be appreciated more? If they want to waste their time moderating then that is there choice isn't it? They are not forced to become moderators!

You should thank them (note: us) for spending our time to help keep the forum running as without mods, the forum wouldn't be able to run properly.

Not really that hard to understand now is it.

[Hayd93]

Do u realise there was actually a 12 year old moderator on here who used to naked cam people... among other mods who did similer?

Why does it matter if they are 12 ? As long as they can moderate does it really mattter ? If they went naked on cam what the heck does that have to do with moderating. What they decide to do in there personal life is to do with them.

[Heart Break Kid]

i agree that the name trolling is very confusing

i used to collect trolls :P
so i know what they are
but they have no relevance to why you call them

i mean can you make their hair go funny????
why not call em summert else :)

[today]

tbh certain moderators i cannot stand and are pillocks, but thy shall not name um!

And edit for the most silliest things even tohugh the post is a joke :\

[le harry]

You should thank them (note: us) for spending our time to help keep the forum running as without mods, the forum would be fun.


fixed.

[Niall!]

You should thank them (note: us) for spending our time to help keep the forum running as without mods, the forum wouldn't be able to run properly.

Not really that hard to understand now is it.


The forum mods are too strict, and yes I know it's just the job, but the claims this forum couldn't run without mods are absurd.

The forum would be a much easier place to post in, and without mods we can actually have some fun without fear of infractions and bans.

I reckon that only 1 mod is needed, 2 at most, for dealing with illegal stuff such as child pornography etc.

Trolling actually plays an important part in the community, it weeds out the ones ready for an arguement. That's why trolling shouldn't be banned.

[GommeInc]

I find the trolling rule incredibly pointless and useless. Again, a rule has been created which already fell into other forums rules.

[Stephen08]

Not being nasty to slowpoke or nothing but all my infractions and warnings have been from him and half of them were reversed..

Still not being nasty or nothing but I can see why he isn't a supermod yet, he is too damn strict and loads of the infractions/warnings he gives get reversed

[Slowpoke]

Not being nasty to slowpoke or nothing but all my infractions and warnings have been from him and half of them were reversed..

Still not being nasty or nothing but I can see why he isn't a supermod yet, he is too damn strict and loads of the infractions/warnings he gives get reversed

One isn't half. :rolleyes:

[J0SH]

It should be changed, msb is provoking users to piss them off then they get an infraction for "trolling".

[no waiii]

It should be changed, msb is provoking users to piss them off then they get an infraction for "trolling".

Yes and thank god he "left" but we will see how long that lasts.

[FlyingJesus]

It should be changed, msb is provoking users to piss them off then they get an infraction for "trolling".

That's entirely their fault. I strongly believe that the trolling rule should be removed, because any sort of disagreement now gets called trolling and people can use that to get users they just don't like infracted or banned. To be honest, if someone's going to be baited as easy as all the fools who attack msb. for every post he makes, they deserve the emotional upset that they for some reason get from him - he's just here to have a good time and shouldn't have to be hindered by people trying to get him banned at every chance they can.

[Slowpoke]

That's entirely their fault. I strongly believe that the trolling rule should be removed, because any sort of disagreement now gets called trolling and people can use that to get users they just don't like infracted or banned. To be honest, if someone's going to be baited as easy as all the fools who attack msb. for every post he makes, they deserve the emotional upset that they for some reason get from him - he's just here to have a good time and shouldn't have to be hindered by people trying to get him banned at every chance they can.

I'm not a big fan of the rule either, and I think the infraction is used way too often. And yes, you can all comment on how I use it a lot but all I'm doing is what I'm told to do. A lot of people don't even know they're doing it and for the moderator, it's hard to differentiate between sarcasm and trolling, it's just not a practical infraction to give. When I've infracted for trolling, I found that some members were actually quite shocked to have received it which made me think that they didn't actually intend for the post to come across like that. The rule definitely does need altering in my opinion, it's too vague, hard to understand and too harsh. Members are always going to have their disagreements and I personally don't enjoy punishing people for having different opinions when they're only slightly "trolling".

[brandon]

I'm not a big fan of the rule either, and I think the infraction is used way too often. And yes, you can all comment on how I use it a lot but all I'm doing is what I'm told to do. A lot of people don't even know they're doing it and for the moderator, it's hard to differentiate between sarcasm and trolling, it's just not a practical infraction to give. When I've infracted for trolling, I found that some members were actually quite shocked to have received it which made me think that they didn't actually intend for the post to come across like that. The rule definitely does need altering in my opinion, it's too vague, hard to understand and too harsh. Memers are always going to have their disagreements and I personally don't enjoy punishing people for having different opinions when they're only slightly "trolling".
I agree. It's very hard to judge on what is 'trolling'.

[buttons]

Thats a bit below the belt, the moderation team are fantastic, and do a lot of hard work, it's unfair to have a go, because simply putting it, you don't realise HOW much work they DO
if, they, are, so, fantastic, why, are, you, banned?

Do u realise there was actually a 12 year old moderator on here who used to naked cam people... among other mods who did similer?
LOL. that's pretty ironic as there was a mod that did that only recently, nice one.

It should be changed, msb is provoking users to piss them off then they get an infraction for "trolling".
that's called being clever & you all get worked up about it, i personally find it hilarious.

I agree. It's very hard to judge on what is 'trolling'.
it isn't actually, it's not very hard to see who is actually starting & argument & who is joking around.

but yeah everytime i see a post edited for "trolling" i always think that it's been someone constantly spamming crap. :S i get confused...

[Mr.Sam]

the reason I made this thread is because not every user is internet savvy, I expect most people will only use this forum, habbo and or runescape where they will not encounted the term "trolling". It is just a lot easier for everyone if you use easy to understand terms instead of expecting them to know internet slang.

[The Professor]

I don't see a problem with renaming it to "Posting to start arguments" in all honesty.

I believe someone asked why it isn't in the rules/FAQs. When the Forum Manager role was split into MM and CSM the CS department (thats community support, not counterstrike) were put in charge of keeping all the FAQ pages up to date. Catzsy has been having what sounds like a never ending problem so it kinda hasn't got done.

If the moderators are having trouble themselves with enforcing the rule the issue will be addressed within the department shortly.

[The Professor]

Small update, the trolling infraction is now called "Posting to Cause Arguments." Moderators will be briefed to use it where necessary (ie. where its obvious the user is trying to cause an argument).

[Bef]

Problem sorted! I had alot of posts i was going to quote but now theirs no need as things have been sorted. Thankyou. x

[Hazza]

Good move :)

[Recursion]

Small update, the trolling infraction is now called "Posting to Cause Arguments." Moderators will be briefed to use it where necessary (ie. where its obvious the user is trying to cause an argument).

You mean it will be briefed in the Staff forum where I know what kind of antics you get up to?! :O

[luce]

i think there is a fine line between trolling and w.e else you could call it, but i don't see any reason for the rules to be changed

[The Professor]

You mean it will be briefed in the Staff forum where I know what kind of antics you get up to?! :O

No we're long past using the staff forum, that's so last century. PMs are where its at!

[You]

MSB is a neek, ban him

[nvrspk4]

You mean it will be briefed in the Staff forum where I know what kind of antics you get up to?! :O

No I'm the one who gets up to antics in the staff forums. :eusa_whis

[today]

MSB is a neek, ban him
Quoted for butmping (:

[You]

Quoted for butmping (:
bumping*** xxx

[today]

bumping*** xxx
oh crap, how can i not spell that :|

[drama]

the thing with trolling is it gets to the point where you won't be able to distinguish trolling from legitmate controversial views (when talking about trolling in the Word Politics forum for examples) whichwill leave people with un-deserved warnings/infractions?

[The Professor]

The line is clearer than most people think, its usually fairly obvious when someone is trying to start an argument. Just because there's a crackdown doesn't mean the infraction is going to be thrown around everywhere, only when its needed :)

[Recursion]

No we're long past using the staff forum, that's so last century. PMs are where its at!

I want in pl0x.

[Funya Chin]

Habbox don't know the meaning of the word troll by the looks of things.