And McCain's running mate is...

[Mrs.McCall]

Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin.

She's 44, anti-abortion and anti-gay rights and is currently under investigation by an Ethics committee.

She is pro-oil and opened up a wildlife park for drilling.

Sounds lovely...

Looks good for her age though...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Palin1.JPG/225px-Palin1.JPG

Edit:

She's also pro-hunting
Has a downs sydrome son
Returned to office 3 days after giving birth to him...

[Agnostic Bear]

Goddamn that is one nasty piece of work.

[GhostFace-]

peeps were talking about her at skl

[-Wolverine]

VPILF.

Honestly, it's just to get the confused Clinton voters. McCain's whole schtick has been talking about how Obama is so inexperienced, yet he gets Palin, who's surely enough much more inexperienced than Obama. Joe Biden will wipe the floor with her.

[Dentafrice]

I'm glad, she's a great person.. and should let America be the country it should be.

Maybe we can finally get our handguns back, and put them illegal aliens where they should be.

[alexxxxx]

McCain will win, legally or not.

[Mr.Sam]

he obviously made sure her chose a woman to gain Hilary's voters who are unsure on obama

[cocaine]

just by reading that she opened up a wildlife park for drilling makes me dislike her

[-Wolverine]

he obviously made sure her chose a woman to gain Hilary's voters who are unsure on obama

Thing is Hillary and Palin are pretty much opposites of each other in terms of their views, the only thing they have in common is that they are American women. If women vote for McCain strictly because of Palin it shows that they only liked Hillary because of what gender she was, not what she was campaigning about.

[alexxxxx]

Thing is Hillary and Palin are pretty much opposites of each other in terms of their views, the only thing they have in common is that they are American women. If women vote for McCain strictly because of Palin it shows that they only liked Hillary because of what gender she was, not what she was campaigning about.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26179

Believe me - they don't care about policies.

[Dentafrice]

he obviously made sure her chose a woman to gain Hilary's voters who are unsure on obama

He chose her not just because of Hilary's voters, but also because she believed the way an American should.


just by reading that she opened up a wildlife park for drilling makes me dislike her

You're saying you would rather keep gas prices at $4.90, then to drill in Alaska, our own half-deserted territory, for our own oil and natural gas?

[cocaine]

Are you that ignorant, you're saying you would rather keep gas prices at $4.90, then to drill in Alaska, our own half-deserted territory, for our own oil and natural gas?
hey i'm only posting my views.. don't need to be trolling now do we?

[Dentafrice]

I'm not trolling, I'm asking how you feel.. we can all post our views.

I guess it was wrong of me to put ignorant, so...


You're saying you would rather keep gas prices at $4.90, then to drill in Alaska, our own half-deserted territory, for our own oil and natural gas?

[cocaine]

I'm not trolling, I'm asking how you feel.. we can all post our views.

I guess it was wrong of me to put ignorant, so...

My views are that it's wrong to try and extract oil we all know which is running dry, and in the process destroying a wildlife park in favour of sucking up oil only to be burnt and adding more gases in the atmosphere, heating the earth further.

However it could be argued that we need to the oil, but meh I don't know how long it'll last us. If it's like 10 years then.. maybe my views will change.

[Bef]

Oh god, hes got some pretty women to try and bring in the votes but u only need to look at what she stands for to realise what sort of a women she is!

anti gay rights? anti abortion?
opend up a wildlife park for drilling?

unfourtunatly her and mcCain will win as alot of people who would vote against them arnt allowed to vote

[Dentafrice]

My views are that it's wrong to try and extract oil we all know which is running dry, and in the process destroying a wildlife park in favour of sucking up oil only to be burnt and adding more gases in the atmosphere, heating the earth further.

However it could be argued that we need to the oil, but meh I don't know how long it'll last us. If it's like 10 years then.. maybe my views will change.

It's running out.. and it's running out fast.

So again you're saying it's wrong to extract oil that is running dry, and just do without?

Yeah of course it is running dry. When you get a can of drink, do you only drink it to about halfway and throw the rest away, because it is wrong to try and extract drink that is running dry?

No, you get every last drop, and while we are doing that, we need to find other renewable or alternate sources of fuel.

And that is Natural Gas, which America owns tons of, and are sitting on for free.


and in the process destroying a wildlife park in favour of sucking up oil only to be burnt and adding more gases in the atmosphere, heating the earth further.

She didn't destroy anything, she simply rearranged part of the park.

It didn't hurt or kill anything, they moved the animals and wildlife to another part of the national park.

It's only about 120 acres used for drilling anyway, out of millions..

Of course oil is going to be burnt, and refined, and that's how we drive our cars.

We get so much from crude oil, that you couldn't live without.. it's not just you car.

---------------

From crude oil we get:
Gasoline (Petrol)
Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG)
Naphtha
Kerosene and other related jet fuels.
Diesel fuel
Fuel/heating oil.
Lubricating oils (motor oil, carb oil, etc)
Paraffin wax
Asphalt and Tar
Plastic
Petroleum Coke

-----------------------

Try to live without some of those products, which is all byproducts of crude oil.

I couldn't life without plastic, asphalt/tar, motor oil, heating oil, diesel fuel, kerosene, and gasoline.

If we run out of all that just instantly, in like a day.. the world would be in chaos.

No planes, no cars would run, and if they did.. they have no motor oil to lubricate them, no roads to drive on, no heat in your homes.



Oh god, hes got some pretty women to try and bring in the votes but u only need to look at what she stands for to realise what sort of a women she is!

anti gay rights? anti abortion?
opend up a wildlife park for drilling?

unfourtunatly her and mcCain will win as alot of people who would vote against them arnt allowed to vote

Don't just read what someone on Habbox says to make an opinion out of it, Palin rearranged part of the wildlife park, and moved the wildlife to different parts.

There's nothing wrong with that. It is government owned land, and in an area full of oil and ng, why waste it on some activists who think animals are god? So what they got moved a mile to the east.


anti gay rights? anti abortion?

Of course he is going to pick someone with those morals, he is a conservative and so is she. That is what conservatives believe.. and their morals, and the opposite with democrats.

[cocaine]

bloody hell, alright then O_o

quite a detailed argument therelmao

[Dentafrice]

Ha, I've had about seven classes worth of American politics and Civics/Economics, please don't get me on a roll :D

[cocaine]

Ha, I've had about seven classes worth of American politics and Civics/Economics, please don't get me on a roll :D

dont worry i wont :D

[Dentafrice]

Someone reply to my biggg post :(

[Bef]

It's running out.. and it's running out fast.

So again you're saying it's wrong to extract oil that is running dry, and just do without?

Yeah of course it is running dry. When you get a can of drink, do you only drink it to about halfway and throw the rest away, because it is wrong to try and extract drink that is running dry?

No, you get every last drop, and while we are doing that, we need to find other renewable or alternate sources of fuel.

And that is Natural Gas, which America owns tons of, and are sitting on for free.



She didn't destroy anything, she simply rearranged part of the park.

It didn't hurt or kill anything, they moved the animals and wildlife to another part of the national park.

It's only about 120 acres used for drilling anyway, out of millions..

Of course oil is going to be burnt, and refined, and that's how we drive our cars.

We get so much from crude oil, that you couldn't live without.. it's not just you car.

---------------

From crude oil we get:
Gasoline (Petrol)
Liquid Petroleum Gas (LPG)
Naphtha
Kerosene and other related jet fuels.
Diesel fuel
Fuel/heating oil.
Lubricating oils (motor oil, carb oil, etc)
Paraffin wax
Asphalt and Tar
Plastic
Petroleum Coke

-----------------------

Try to live without some of those products, which is all byproducts of crude oil.

I couldn't life without plastic, asphalt/tar, motor oil, heating oil, diesel fuel, kerosene, and gasoline.

If we run out of all that just instantly, in like a day.. the world would be in chaos.

No planes, no cars would run, and if they did.. they have no motor oil to lubricate them, no roads to drive on, no heat in your homes.




Don't just read what someone on Habbox says to make an opinion out of it, Palin rearranged part of the wildlife park, and moved the wildlife to different parts.

There's nothing wrong with that. It is government owned land, and in an area full of oil and ng, why waste it on some activists who think animals are god? So what they got moved a mile to the east.



Of course he is going to pick someone with those morals, he is a conservative and so is she. That is what conservatives believe.. and their morals, and the opposite with democrats.

Im not, im going on other things i have read about her. Some which may be slander. Like the fact he apparently only met Palin once before now

How do u feel about the argument McCain has been making about Obamas lack of experience, yet now he has picked somebody with little experience as his running mate. Shes only been a governor of alaska for 2 years!
Is this women ready to be president? Its a question any voter needs to think about considering mccains age. it may well happen!

[alexxxxx]

It's a cheap shot to get feminists on board. She claims she is against Oil corruption, yet she is being investigated for abuse of her power (firing a safety person guy for not firing a trooper who divorced a family member), and still many women are pro-choice and hold less conservative views.

You've gotta hope McCain doesn't get elected as it looks like he is a continuation of G W Bush (voted 90%+ with him), refers to countries that don't exist (Czechoslovakia for example).

His only argument I've seen so far is that he is more experienced with foreign policy as he was in the army.

[Mrs.McCall]

She in-experienced.

Old fashioned.

And rather hypocritical. How can anyone support drilling for oil but also say they support environmental bills?

And still the anti-gay and anti-abortion things worry me as these are the people who are in power AND she's public about these opinions too...

[Dentafrice]

She in-experienced.

Old fashioned.

And rather hypocritical. How can anyone support drilling for oil but also say they support environmental bills?

And still the anti-gay and anti-abortion things worry me as these are the people who are in power AND she's public about these opinions too...
Listen, of course conservative people are going to be anti-gay and anti-abortion, that's what republicans believe.. and that isn't going to change.

That's why there are democrats and republicans.. you can't really complain about rublicans being anti-gay, they always have been.

Big whoop, drilling kills a few fish and a few bears, who cares? We're humans, and we are superior and need oil to live.. I'd rather have oil and a normal life then care about a few bears..

[Misawa]

McCain for President.

[alexxxxx]

Listen, of course conservative people are going to be anti-gay and anti-abortion, that's what republicans believe.. and that isn't going to change.

That's why there are democrats and republicans.. you can't really complain about rublicans being anti-gay, they always have been.

Big whoop, drilling kills a few fish and a few bears, who cares? We're humans, and we are superior and need oil to live.. I'd rather have oil and a normal life then care about a few bears..

The thing is, because of the GLOBAL MARKET, oil prices won't decrease /THAT/ much because you start drilling out a few hundred thousand barells a day. Emerging countries are eating up new oil very quickly. Oil companies are naturally going to sell to the highest bidder and they don't care wherever it is.

Also, how about the US get a bit more fuel efficient - seeing cars that are 'fuel efficient' and being advertised for 25MPG is just disgusting when you see the cars in Europe that get ALOT more than that.

Obama thinks they can stop foreign oil in ten years - as if.

[Mrs.McCall]

Listen, of course conservative people are going to be anti-gay and anti-abortion, that's what republicans believe.. and that isn't going to change.

That's why there are democrats and republicans.. you can't really complain about rublicans being anti-gay, they always have been.

Big whoop, drilling kills a few fish and a few bears, who cares? We're humans, and we are superior and need oil to live.. I'd rather have oil and a normal life then care about a few bears..

We have the technology to go without.

But hey, it's your opinion :)

[Dentafrice]

;5054966']The thing is, because of the GLOBAL MARKET, oil prices won't decrease /THAT/ much because you start drilling out a few hundred thousand barells a day. Emerging countries are eating up new oil very quickly. Oil companies are naturally going to sell to the highest bidder and they don't care wherever it is.

Also, how about the US get a bit more fuel efficient - seeing cars that are 'fuel efficient' and being advertised for 25MPG is just disgusting when you see the cars in Europe that get ALOT more than that.

Obama thinks they can stop foreign oil in ten years - as if.

We do have fuel efficient cars, there are tons of them that get 35-45MPG.

Here, unlike Europe, we have a lot of work and transit cars (such as mine.. Dodge Ram 2500 XT Quad Cab) which is huge and runs on diesel, but we need it.


We have the technology to go without.

But hey, it's your opinion :)

Yeah, we have a few alternatives, but nothing that will allow us to go without.. there is nothing on the market that all consumers can buy to go without.

[Mr.Sam]

you don't need a dodge ram, you can easily use normal cars.
we have a similar situation in england, we call them 'Chelsea Tractors' people who drive land rovers in built up city areas.

[Dentafrice]

you don't need a dodge ram, you can easily use normal cars.
we have a similar situation in england, we call them 'Chelsea Tractors' people who drive land rovers in built up city areas.
Actually I do need a Dodge Ram, three days a week I work for a construction and remodeling company, so I'm always hauling around workers and equipment and materials.

I would like to see a 'normal car' carry 62 2x4s needed to frame up a wall, plus a 6 4x10 headers needed to make a frame.

There are reasons we drive things. We don't all just drive matchboxes.

[Earthquake]

I don't think this will make a difference, I think if he had chosen a black women then things would have turned.

[alexxxxx]

all i can say is that our hire car in the US barely got 25MPG and it was a fairly respectable looking toyota something. I dread to think what some of those big trucks get.

[Misawa]

American car models are decreasing in size to combat the ever-rising fuel prices.

[Bef]

Im not, im going on other things i have read about her. Some which may be slander. Like the fact he apparently only met Palin once before now

How do u feel about the argument McCain has been making about Obamas lack of experience, yet now he has picked somebody with little experience as his running mate. Shes only been a governor of alaska for 2 years!
Is this women ready to be president? Its a question any voter needs to think about considering mccains age. it may well happen!


as dentafrice never awnsered i thought id requote...

[Dentafrice]

;5056155']all i can say is that our hire car in the US barely got 25MPG and it was a fairly respectable looking toyota something. I dread to think what some of those big trucks get.

My truck gets around 15MPG, depends on how loaded it is.


as dentafrice never awnsered i thought id requote...

I was banned, it's quite easy to reply to that actually, because you haven't really done any research.

Before becoming a senator, Barack Obama was a "community organizer" with hardly any responsibility.

Barack Obama never and I repeat never has never wrote any legislature nor and reform.

On 136 votes in the senate out of 146 he voted "present", not "yes" or "no".. but "present".

In the White House, when passing a huge bill, it's not just enough to be "present".. you need experience in decision making.

He has no executive experience, whereas Palin has two years of being the gov. of Alaska.

She has more executive experience then him, plus adding her being Mayor of her hometown from 1995 ( I believe that's the year ) - 2002.

She reformed Alaska's government, giving tons of money back to the people of the state, building a major pipeline through Alaska, and clearing $206 billion in wasted cash.

And Barack has done what?

[Jam]

Not made stupid laws?

[Dentafrice]

He hasn't made any laws at all.

And specify some laws that Palin has made that are deemed "stupid".

Barack has done nothing.

[Misawa]

McCain will win it, and he is by far the best choice.

[Dentafrice]

McCain will win it, and he is by far the best choice.
Finally something by you that I agree with, +REP :]

[Mrs.McCall]

In all fairness, I have to say her speech was VERY good and although I don't agree with some of her points she's very attractive to a voter, she gives good speech.

[Dentafrice]

In all fairness, I have to say her speech was VERY good and although I don't agree with some of her points she's very attractive to a voter, she gives good speech.
You can just look at her and see smartness, I think.

[Browney]

I look at her and see her naked, I think.

[Dentafrice]

That too :P I see smart naked lady.

[Mrs.McCall]

Was a good speech though. Biden seems lackluster in comparison.

[Dentafrice]

I did laugh at the part where Palin said "Biden, I think you should get this whole VP thing in writing".

[alexxxxx]

if mccain wins, which he will, the USA will go to war with Iran and I really dread to think what's going to happen.

McCain is a fool, Obama isn't much better (though he is). There isn't much dividing the two. I hate the US elections because it's all on character. And I hate it when they say the president will be 'Commander' - he's a president and you're making them sound like a war lord.

Ron Paul sounds like a good bloke. You get the sense from the UK press that they want Obama to win.

[Dentafrice]

;5075972']if mccain wins, which he will, the USA will go to war with Iran and I really dread to think what's going to happen.

McCain is a fool, Obama isn't much better (though he is). There isn't much dividing the two. I hate the US elections because it's all on character. And I hate it when they say the president will be 'Commander' - he's a president and you're making them sound like a war lord.

Ron Paul sounds like a good bloke. You get the sense from the UK press that they want Obama to win.
He is Commander in Chief.. it's always been like that. He commands the army.. and that was the main responsibility back after the American Revolution, was to command the army and to protect them.

How is Obama better? Obama has far less experience then McCain and Palin, and has never done anything for America.

[Browney]

Can Vice-Presidents do Playboy photoshoots? If not, I'm voting Obama.

Hasn't she got a 17 year old un-married daughter who's 5 months pregnant?

[Dentafrice]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that..

[e5banned.]

lol she should get it, wasn't she like a model before or sumet lol!

[NitronGalactus]

LOL is that all true? She's like Hitler.

[Dentafrice]

No.. she's just smart, and turned Alaska around.

[Browney]

Can Vice-Presidents do Playboy photoshoots? If not, I'm voting Obama.

oh btw, I was voting Obama anyway.


Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that..

all I meant was, she seems quite hypocritical. "yet she is being investigated for abuse of her power (firing a safety person guy for not firing a trooper who divorced a family member)." and some really old-fashioned people are calling for her to step down which tbh I dnt understand as her daughters 16 so she can do whatever she wants :S but point is shes causing controversy here there and everywhere.

[Dentafrice]

oh btw, I was voting Obama anyway.



all I meant was, she seems quite hypocritical. "yet she is being investigated for abuse of her power (firing a safety person guy for not firing a trooper who divorced a family member)." and some really old-fashioned people are calling for her to step down which tbh I dnt understand as her daughters 16 so she can do whatever she wants :S but point is shes causing controversy here there and everywhere.
I'd like to see where you received the information about the safety guy..

[Browney]

I'd like to see where you received the information about the safety guy..

[ALEX] posted it earlier :P

[Dentafrice]

Does that mean it is true though? :P

[Browney]

Does that mean it is true though? :P

a quick google search seems to suggest so...

Clicky (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/09/palin_investigation_to_be_rele.html)

made sure it was credible source. ;)

[Qirf]

Down with her tbh.

[alexxxxx]

How is Obama better? Obama has far less experience then McCain and Palin, and has never done anything for America.

Obama hasn't got many more merits, it's just the fact that McCain has voted 90%+ and that he doesn't seem to have a firm grip on foreign affairs, such as refering to a country named 'Czechoslovakia' which doesn't exist anymore, and refering to a Iraq/Pakistan Border (which doesn't exist). McCain finished 2nd bottom in his class and it is disputed even if he is eligible to even take part in the election as he wasn't born in the USA (but I don't buy that).

I hope I'm wrong, I hope he's not full of crap.

Plus, this war on terror crap has nothing to do with Iraq, there is no link between 9/11 and Iraq, however they still try and combine the two.

It doesn't matter what I say, McCain will win, because he seems 'tough' and they'll scare the Americans into voting for them as their might be an 'impending attack.'

[Splinter]

;5077024']Obama hasn't got many more merits, it's just the fact that McCain has voted 90%+ and that he doesn't seem to have a firm grip on foreign affairs, such as refering to a country named 'Czechoslovakia' which doesn't exist anymore, and refering to a Iraq/Pakistan Border (which doesn't exist). McCain finished 2nd bottom in his class and it is disputed even if he is eligible to even take part in the election as he wasn't born in the USA (but I don't buy that).

I hope I'm wrong, I hope he's not full of crap.

Plus, this war on terror crap has nothing to do with Iraq, there is no link between 9/11 and Iraq, however they still try and combine the two.

It doesn't matter what I say, McCain will win, because he seems 'tough' and they'll scare the Americans into voting for them as their might be an 'impending attack.'

The War on Terror has nothing to do with Iraq? Well lets see, before coalition forces entered Iraq in the North of Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a leading Al-Qaeda figure was operating under the knowledge of, and with the permission of Saddam against the Kurds. And time and time again Iraq can be seen as a haven for a funder or terrorism. Are you to say that there is then no link between Iraq and terrorism? There may yet be no operational connection between Iraq and 9/11 but thats not what we are fighting.

We aren't just fighting those who have flown planes into buildings we are fighting those who wish to fly planes into the buildings of free democratic countries due to their hatred of that which is not Islamic and those who do not live under Shaaria law. The people that we fight now share the same desires and ideology. Iraq is most deffinately part of the war on terror and on top of that tactics we have learned in Iraq have helped us in places like Afghanistan.

As for Sarah Palin, don't buy into the fact that her family is off limits. When someone believes that teaching abstinence is the best way to prevent teenage pregnancy etc. then if her daugher gets pregnant by mistake then this is a brilliant example that the teaching of abstinence doesn't work.

[5,5]

Imo I think he chose her to draw in the Hilary voters which are mostly woment tbh, and most women will want the first ever women president becuase lets be honest, he will probably die by the end of his term.

McCain - Palin - 08 :)

[alexxxxx]

The War on Terror has nothing to do with Iraq? Well lets see, before coalition forces entered Iraq in the North of Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi a leading Al-Qaeda figure was operating under the knowledge of, and with the permission of Saddam against the Kurds. And time and time again Iraq can be seen as a haven for a funder or terrorism. Are you to say that there is then no link between Iraq and terrorism? There may yet be no operational connection between Iraq and 9/11 but thats not what we are fighting.

We aren't just fighting those who have flown planes into buildings we are fighting those who wish to fly planes into the buildings of free democratic countries due to their hatred of that which is not Islamic and those who do not live under Shaaria law. The people that we fight now share the same desires and ideology. Iraq is most deffinately part of the war on terror and on top of that tactics we have learned in Iraq have helped us in places like Afghanistan.

As for Sarah Palin, don't buy into the fact that her family is off limits. When someone believes that teaching abstinence is the best way to prevent teenage pregnancy etc. then if her daugher gets pregnant by mistake then this is a brilliant example that the teaching of abstinence doesn't work.

The reason Iraq was invaded had nothing to do with the war on terrorism, but that they had non-existant Weapons of Mass Destruction which could have been used to attack other countries (noteably Israel). The terrorism 'link' with certain individuals/groups was either found or fabricated afterwards.

al-Zarqawi was Jordanian and the men who blew up the London Underground and Bus were Britsh, the men who planned on blowing up the planes over the atlantic were British.

These terrorist 'links' are cloaking the real reason why the Americans are going into these countries, which is because of their oil.

Sarah Palin was a decent choice only because of women. Feminists who care for nothing but what gender their candidates are will vote for him now - but it's sad to think that it's acceptable for anyone to vote for someone JUST because of their skin colour or gender. But as it is, American politics is about the candidate, little to do with the policies.

[HotelUser]

Many rumors around about this one, most of course unconfirmed of actually being true.

[Cypher-]

No offence to any americans here as this is solely a judgemental opinion and I know that I cant categorise everyone by a few people but Palin represents the kind of brash typical american persona that I despise, and I would guess that had her daughters pregnancy been kept under wraps then she might not have been very anti-abortion :)

Obama will change the world, not just America.

[Misawa]

Obama will change nothing with his Community Advisor experience... :rolleyes:

McCain will win.

[Splinter]

;5078105']The reason Iraq was invaded had nothing to do with the war on terrorism, but that they had non-existant Weapons of Mass Destruction which could have been used to attack other countries (noteably Israel). The terrorism 'link' with certain individuals/groups was either found or fabricated afterwards.

al-Zarqawi was Jordanian and the men who blew up the London Underground and Bus were Britsh, the men who planned on blowing up the planes over the atlantic were British.

These terrorist 'links' are cloaking the real reason why the Americans are going into these countries, which is because of their oil.

Sarah Palin was a decent choice only because of women. Feminists who care for nothing but what gender their candidates are will vote for him now - but it's sad to think that it's acceptable for anyone to vote for someone JUST because of their skin colour or gender. But as it is, American politics is about the candidate, little to do with the policies.

Al-Zarqawi may have been Jordanian but he was operating out of Iraq under the knowledge of and with the support of Saddam Hussein. There are various other cases of this which just show Iraq to be a state which supported terrorism in exactly the same way as Afghanistan did. How can you say they are not linked?

Onto WMD's. We know Saddam possesed WMD's why since we had supplied them to him. Since 1991 weapons inspections had been forced on his regime but he never fully complied and we were never able to fully grasp his true weapons capacity. In 2001 he was trying to aquire a production line off of the North Koreans with the hope of creating a nuclear bomb but luckily the deal fell through. He was massively in breach of the nuclear proliferation treaty and the Security Council edict which gave permission to the US and UK government to carry out further inspections in Iraq also gave them the possibility of regime change if there was non compliance which there was.

As for oil? Well if you believe they went into the war solely for oil then presumably it was George Bush who led the war effort? This is nonsense. It was Tony Blair in 1999 in Chicago who told the US people that even after they had removed Milosevic they still had a more important meeting in Baghdad with Saddam. Regime change in Iraq was to remove a regime which by 2003 had lost any elements of its soverignty and to end the reign of a dictator who for too long we had lived alongside and tollerated and was now dangerous to us.

[alexxxxx]

Al-Zarqawi may have been Jordanian but he was operating out of Iraq under the knowledge of and with the support of Saddam Hussein. There are various other cases of this which just show Iraq to be a state which supported terrorism in exactly the same way as Afghanistan did. How can you say they are not linked?

We (British public) were lead to believe that Iraq possesed WMDs - which was the reason why we went to war.



Onto WMD's. We know Saddam possesed WMD's why since we had supplied them to him. Since 1991 weapons inspections had been forced on his regime but he never fully complied and we were never able to fully grasp his true weapons capacity. In 2001 he was trying to aquire a production line off of the North Koreans with the hope of creating a nuclear bomb but luckily the deal fell through. He was massively in breach of the nuclear proliferation treaty and the Security Council edict which gave permission to the US and UK government to carry out further inspections in Iraq also gave them the possibility of regime change if there was non compliance which there was.


The government lied to us. They said they KNEW he had some - and a dossier was drawn up saying where they were. For some reason Dr David Kelly - a contributor to this dossier 'commited suicide.'



As for oil? Well if you believe they went into the war solely for oil then presumably it was George Bush who led the war effort? This is nonsense. It was Tony Blair in 1999 in Chicago who told the US people that even after they had removed Milosevic they still had a more important meeting in Baghdad with Saddam. Regime change in Iraq was to remove a regime which by 2003 had lost any elements of its soverignty and to end the reign of a dictator who for too long we had lived alongside and tollerated and was now dangerous to us.

I'm not doubting that the British government isn't involved too. I'm up for a change in the USA that won't try and rely on the british to go with them, most people here in the UK I'd say are anti-war.

[Mrs.McCall]

I think this is going to be hard to call. Both campaigns are gaining momentum.

The addition of Sarah Palin has given the Republicans a lot of attention and like they say no press is bad press!

It's weird, I am a Democrat but I find Sarah Palin to be very interesting indeed.

[Frodo13.]

This is how I see things: McCain picks Palin to gain the Clinton vote, who were mostly women and wanted nothing more then to see a women in the White House. So, they vote McCain as a huge slap in the face to Barack Obama for beating Clinton in the primaries. McCain wins the election, which then paves the way for Clinton to run again in 2012. By this point, the American public are totaly sick of the Republicans, so vote in Clinton some four years late.

I think Clinton could of easily won an election, where for Obama it is proving a little more difficult.

[alexxxxx]

This is how I see things: McCain picks Palin to gain the Clinton vote, who were mostly women and wanted nothing more then to see a women in the White House. So, they vote McCain as a huge slap in the face to Barack Obama for beating Clinton in the primaries. McCain wins the election, which then paves the way for Clinton to run again in 2012. By this point, the American public are totaly sick of the Republicans, so vote in Clinton some four years late.

I think Clinton could of easily won an election, where for Obama it is proving a little more difficult.

I'd say that is a likely outcome.

[le harry]

dunno who any of these people are except the black guy so i choose him lol

[Misawa]

Obama called Palin a pig. That is just uncalled for.

[Frodo13.]

Obama called Palin a pig. That is just uncalled for.


No he never. It's been took out of context.

[Dentafrice]

No he never. It's been took out of context.
Yeah, I would normally say it was taken out of context.. but not in this case.

Palin was the one who made the comment about lipstick, and then Obama says something about it? Hmm... it had to be an insult.

[Browney]

Yeah, I would normally say it was taken out of context.. but not in this case.

Palin was the one who made the comment about lipstick, and then Obama says something about it? Hmm... it had to be an insult.

link to the quote?

Nevermind, I found a video on Obama saying it. It seems to me he wasn't talking about Palin at all. If he had mentioned something along the lines of 'well if he thinks having a woman vp etc etc' I could see where you are coming from. he was just talking about their old-fashioned views and tbh, if he was talking about Palin it sounds like he was comparing Palin and calling her the lipstick on the pigs.

[Virgin Mary]

Um, ew, she has a vagina on her redneck.

[alexxxxx]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IH0xzsogzAk

you may wish to watch this.

[le harry]

Let's make a short resumee of the last 8 years.
Osama Bin Laden? - Still on the run.
Afghanistan? - Still a warzone
Iraq? - Still a warzone
Economy - On the brink of total collapse (banks, autos, real estate)
State finance? - The deficit is over 9000
Global position? - The USA is hated by everyone


Oh yeah, I think it's a good idea to vote for reps again.

[Misawa]

Obama bin Laden.

His quote was:

"A pig can wear lipstick, but it's still a pig" in response to Palin's, "You know what they say the difference is between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Lipstick".

[TooClose]

I can honestly say i would jump for joy if she along with McCain were assasinated. :)

Shes a contradicting, hypocritical, nasty, closed minded *****.

[Dentafrice]

I can honestly say i would jump for joy if she along with McCain were assasinated. :)

Shes a contradicting, hypocritical, nasty, closed minded *****.
You're an idiot.

I respect the fact you don't like a certain person, but saying you wish they were assasinated? That's inhumane.

It's okay not to like people, but wishing that on people, is pretty stupid, you shouldn't even have the right to be called a human.

Edited by lAscend (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't insult other forum members.

[Virgin Mary]

I can honestly say i would jump for joy if she along with McCain were assasinated. :)

Shes a contradicting, hypocritical, nasty, closed minded *****.
However, the rest of the KKK party would look up the assassin's family tree and see that their ancestors were blacks from east africa. They would then use this in their argument or w.e.

[Browney]

I can honestly say i would jump for joy if she along with McCain were assasinated. :)

Shes a contradicting, hypocritical, nasty, closed minded *****.

lol I love it! some good old-fashioned hate in a thread of intelligent replies! it's really refreshing to see.

[Misawa]

You're an idiot.

I respect the fact you don't like a certain person, but saying you wish they were assasinated? That's inhumane.

It's okay not to like people, but wishing that on people, is pretty stupid, you shouldn't even have the right to be called a human.

Edited by lAscend (Forum Super Moderator): Please don't insult other forum members.

He gets infracted and, as a result, gets a temporary ban for calling someone an idiot who wished death upon, not one, but two people, and to cap it all off, they don't? That's screwed up.

[Dentafrice]

He gets infracted and, as a result, gets a temporary ban for calling someone an idiot who wished death upon, not one, but two people, and to cap it all off, they don't? That's screwed up.
Yeah it is, I don't think it was a valid infraction reason anyway.

I don't really care what political party they are, or what people think of them, at the end of the day, they still have familys to come home to.. children to raise.. in some cases grandchildren.. and a life to life.

Being a politician is their job, not their life. Think of that, you would be wishing someone's dad/granddad/mother to die.. leaving them alone?

That's just stupid.

That's like shooting a doctor just because you didn't believe he should have performed a certain surgery on someone.. it's his job..

[Virgin Mary]

lolol, just like hunting animals and black people.