Photography Forum?

[DarrenToogood]

Hello there,

I am sure I speak for a number of people when I say, that a photography forum would be very much welcomed here on HabboxForum.

At current the photographers and photography fans on HabboxForum are using the 'Pictures' forum to display and discuss photography, however this seems a little too open and I personally think that a photography forum would benefit all. Ranging from photographic work, to help, to requests, to new and to selling, I believe a photographic forum would provide a central hub for photographers and fans to participate in.

As a photographer myself, I would be more than willing to contribute to this forum with general information, news/updates and would also be willing to run a photographic competition - this would boost the community relations between members. I would also be willing to moderate such a forum.

I know that a photography forum would be a very much active community, and I do hope you can see my points. Any questions/problems, I am more than happy to answer.


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Darren Toogood
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[Ohirian]

To be honest, creating a Sub-forum for photopgraphy would be good, even if that is under the 'Pictures' section.

Or Prefixes could be used again to define which section you are posting into.

[GommeInc]

I am for this too :) You may even get me joining in for a change lol

Only problem is though, will there be enough photographers to participate in a forum which is more of an artsy form of the picture forum. Is there anything in the picture forum that isn't there just for art come to think of it? :S Could well be renamed "Photography."

Edited by ,Jess, (Forum Super Moderator): Accidental double posts merged.

[xxMATTGxx]

I'm going to 100% back this up, I enjoy photography to be honest. I'm even planning myself going a step forward and getting myself a D-SLR for Christmas so this would be great if there was a section for anyone who wants to share there work. Great suggestion Darren, hope it works :)

[Hazza]

Nice idea, would be helpful for people who are looking to take Photography at GCSE/A Level. :)

[cocaine]

As we all know Darren you're highly opinionated when it comes to what you can call "photography".

Besides, the other pictures forum doesn't get used that often, and even as I am interested in photography (as you can see on my devinanart link in sig), I am against it

[mangle]

If not a subforum, prefixes would be a good idea.

But I'm fully for this yeah :)

[Hayd93]

I would love this. I love veiwing dareen and many others work. I am not a photographer myself but i just enjoy veiwing photography. There are also some verry good ones on habbox i have to admit.

[DarrenToogood]

I see your points. From what I have seen there are loads of photographers on this forum, ranging from 'snaps' to professional images.

I personally think it would be best to have a new forum called 'Photography' and under that forum have sub-forums such as 'Requests', 'Buying/Selling', 'Reviews' etc. The amount of threads I see within the Technology forums saying 'is this camera good', well we could direct people to join what I feel would be a hub for photographers on a very active forum. With prefix's, I believe it would still be a little open and would be a little all over the place.

Like I also mentioned above, a possible photographic competition every month? I am sure some kind of VIP could be rewarded, however it is the constructive feedback which is most important to help users gain experience and knowledge.

[Hiro]

I'm not too sure about it, the reason being is that having a whole new forum for it, could possibly lead to other people wanting sub-forums for Digital Design, Traditional Artwork, Drawings, etc.
It doesn't really get used that much either.
I don't see why a trial run cannot be exhumed though, whether this be with prefixes or a sub-forum. I'd rather it be prefixes than anything though.

[Hayd93]

As we all know Darren you're highly opinionated when it comes to what you can call "photography".

Besides, the other pictures forum doesn't get used that often, and even as I am interested in photography, I am against it
What i find is that darren keeps himself to himself give some tips ect. Its just when other members try to wind him up with comments like alot better than darrens that he states he is betetr ect wich ususally he is right.

[Invent]

There are other things that deserve a (sub)forum a lot more.

[GommeInc]

I see your points. From what I have seen there are loads of photographers on this forum, ranging from 'snaps' to professional images.

I personally think it would be best to have a new forum called 'Photography' and under that forum have sub-forums such as 'Requests', 'Buying/Selling', 'Reviews' etc. The amount of threads I see within the Technology forums saying 'is this camera good', well we could direct people to join what I feel would be a hub for photographers on a very active forum. With prefix's, I believe it would still be a little open and people could 'loose themselves' in the world of photography.

Like I also mentioned above, a possible photographic competition every month? I am sure some kind of VIP could be rewarded, however it is the constructive feedback which is most important to help users gain experience and knowledge.
Hmmm, might be pushing it with buying/selling and moving camera threads to it, cameras are technology in their own right and like a "gadget" to some, and buying/selling photos maybe a bit hard to do, because they could easily be recreated, unless you mean framing and selling, which again would be hard :P

Requests could be fun, or maybe "Inspiration" or "Ideas," a forum where people can post ideas for photos which may be quite good.

[Hazza]

There are other things that deserve a (sub)forum a lot more.
Thats true actually.

[Decode]

I can't see it working. It would be good at first, but then there would only be a few posts a day like in the Flight Sim forum.

[DarrenToogood]

I am not saying other forums could not be created, but I have just picked up on a buzz about photography which I and other members would like to expand on :)

Gomme, when I mentioned 'Buying/Selling' I meant advice on the cameras to buy etc, not so much selling prints. Tom, that is a problem that could arise and good for mentioning it. With competitions running and users posting their photographs for display, I am sure it would remain active.

I think a trial run would be most suited as someone mentioned previously.

[GommeInc]

I am not saying other forums could not be created, but I have just picked up on a buzz about photography which I and other members would like to expand on :)

Gomme, when I mentioned 'Buying/Selling' I meant advice on the cameras to buy etc, not so much selling prints. Tom, that is a problem that could arise and good for mentioning it. With competitions running and users posting their photographs for display, I am sure it would remain active.

I think a trial run would be most suited as someone mentioned previously.
Ahhh I see. Might be worth keeping that in the Tech. forum none-the-less. Keeps that bit busy :P Although talking about it in threads won't hurt, some photography threads will probably end with a discussion about which D-SLR, SLR or Auto.

[Decode]

I could see lots of arguments starting about who's photos are "snaps" and who's aren't.

[DarrenToogood]

I think the users on this forum are mature enough to give constructive feedback on each others photographs. Ok, the odd none-participating member may say 'they are rubbish', but at the end of the day it is the opinions of those who give constructive feedback that matters.

I would personally like to be a judge for a photographic competition, maybe with one or two other members/staff?

[Slowpoke]

I like the idea, personally - A sub-forum would be great. :)

[Hiro]

I am not saying other forums could not be created, but I have just picked up on a buzz about photography which I and other members would like to expand on :)

Gomme, when I mentioned 'Buying/Selling' I meant advice on the cameras to buy etc, not so much selling prints. Tom, that is a problem that could arise and good for mentioning it. With competitions running and users posting their photographs for display, I am sure it would remain active.

I think a trial run would be most suited as someone mentioned previously.

You've just got to remember who you're aiming at. Yes, you may be intrigued in photography, but other users may not be, you talk about the competition, yet it doesn't always work like that, people may lose intrest, etc.
A trial would be best, but not with a forum, with the prefixes.

[DarrenToogood]

I hate the idea of prefixs. It just mixs it in with other peoples work such as Art, and we would be fighting to keep threads above others.

A sub-forum may be suitable... we just need to wait to hear from staff.

[Hypertext]

It could be a good idea, but I agree with Invent, there are other things that deserve a (sub-)forum, a lot more than this. That said, there is also some that don't.

Darren, I think you could just post in technology or pictures to be honest. I also think your being kind of... "elitist" if you will. How you say "ranging from 'snaps' to professional images".

That said, I think it should continue to be posted in the tech forum.

[Funya Chin]

You speak for yourself, it can go in other graphics where they've gone for many a' year.

[Dentafrice]

I would hate prefix's for something like this, that wouldn't work good. It's good for something like Habbo [UK], [CA], crap like that.. but not mixing forums.

I'm 100% for this idea, and would use it.

[DarrenToogood]

Thanks for the support Caleb :)

I have not used the feedback forum before, so do we wait to hear back from a member of staff?

[Hypertext]

Thanks for the support Caleb :)

I have not used the feedback forum before, so do we wait to hear back from a member of staff?

Yes.

Usually they will discuss it in here, then I'm guessing nvr will decide whether to or not.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

The feedback does indeed look pretty good, which makes it something we would look into. However I'll say the same thing I did to the Anime and Manga people - show us it would be used. I'm looking at the Other Pictures forum and seeing threads since 8/22 on the first page, not at all fighting to stay on top. So I don't really see that even if there were a lot of other photo threads that there are that many other types of pictures that it would be fighting with.

I wouldn't be against renaming the forum Photography and Other Pictures (No Alterations) but until I'm proved wrong I don't believe a subforum or standalone forum is merited :)

nvr

[DarrenToogood]

Dissapointed if anything. I have seen plenty of threads regarding photography, and a number of users commenting in my threads.

Here are links to the ones I can find:

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=520701&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=517872&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=517344&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513143&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=510948&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=515190&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=513224&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=512686&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=512176&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=508887&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=509381&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=511417&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=510415&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=502831&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=510259&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=509061&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=508654&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=508412&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=504926&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=505657&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=503889&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=504180&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=504474&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=480002&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=502261&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=501418&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=499326&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=493299&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=500682&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=499442&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=493328&highlight=photography
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=495249&highlight=photography

I have gone down to June. 33 threads of the ones that the keyterm 'photography' appears within. The amount of users on these forums who do not make threads however post within the threads is getting bigger and bigger. If competitions were run by users such as myself, and a 'base' of users was created (verymuch like certain users post in the technology forums) then I believe it would grow into a larger focus on these forums.

How can you say there is no interest. I know there will be lots of replies to this post from users supporting the idea.

[Plank]

I support this idea because I like looking through photos

[Mr.OSH]

I agree there is quite a few threads for this but I still think that it doesn't really warrant a sub forum as of yet - I don't think that there is a problem with photography threads staying where they are. If the "Pictures (No Alterations)" forum was used more and more for photography it could be considered by really I personally think there isn't enough use to create a subforum. Even so is there a problem where the threads are being posted at the moment? The issue with adding subforums like these is that it means other subforums are then requested and there are other subforums that probably deserve to be created as much as "Photography". I'm sure this will be considered but personally although it seems fairly well supported here I don't think it would be worth while. We'll see what happens but would the forum be used enough - is there a problem with the threads being posted where they are currently?

[DarrenToogood]

Just to answer your last two questions there...

I believe the forum would be used yes. I also see the need for a photography forum, to allow us to have our photographic discussion away from other areas of Art/Pictures. If we have our own area, this allows use to post as many thrads as we want, without 'competing' with other threads which are nothing to do with photography. It would also allow us to get some threads stickied such as a photographic competition.

On top of this sub-forums could be created such as 'Advertisement' etc. I am sure you have seen the support that this has got from both normal users and super moderators.

Atleast give it a trial period?

[Sammeth.]

I think a whole forum is pushing it, so a whole forum with addition subforums is way too over the top. I think a subforum at best would be suitable. You would still be able to have stickied threads in there, and you wouldnt have to compete with threads about other things that arent to do with photography.

[Casual]

100% for it :]

I love looking at the way people have taken a photograph whether it be a quick shot or a thought about idea on what should be in it! Plus most of the photos that people have taken are amazing! Would love to see this forum up and running because then you'd be able to post a picture you took if you were just taking up photography and get some feedback from people who really take a liking to photography and not just people who are looking in the pictures forum!

Good luck on getting it Darren and other photographers!

[Kardan]

You can search for all threads that start with a certain prefix can't you?

If you can, then a prefix would suit it more than a sub forum. 30 odd posts since June isn't very good for a sub forum in my eyes.

[GommeInc]

Failing a sub-forum, why not edit the description so that newcomers know where photography discussions are? Pictures could mean anything, like lolcat edits or random shots of people clubbing.

[e5]

I think it would be good to have a photography forum. I quite like seeing other people's pictures, and it might even spark of a new hobby for me, although I am quite good at picture taking already ;)

[DarrenToogood]

Thinking about it, I think we should aim for a Sub-Forum under Pictures maybe, or another suitable parent forum?

[Jordy]

I could see lots of arguments starting about who's photos are "snaps" and who's aren't.I would personally be flattered if my photos were called anything but a 'Snap' :P

I'm for this, I really think they should give it a trial, when people realise there's a forum dedicate to things, I imagine this would spark peoples interest and encourage more people to post.

And to the people who reckon 'There's a lot more important sub-forums needed', why not post a thread about it like Darren has? Personally I don't think it's missing much other than this.

[DarrenToogood]

A great post Jordy and well summed up :)

I have thought of a funny situation this could be compared to:

Student: We want a salad bar
Canteen: There isn't enough interest
Student: But you haven't offered it before therefore people haven't shown an interest?

[Mint]

Would be quite good to look at them I suppose. :8 I could always send in a few of my "homemade" photos if you know what I meeeeean? ;)

[nvrspk4]

Dissapointed if anything. I have seen plenty of threads regarding photography, and a number of users commenting in my threads.

Here are links to the ones I can find:

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I have gone down to June. 33 threads of the ones that the keyterm 'photography' appears within. The amount of users on these forums who do not make threads however post within the threads is getting bigger and bigger. If competitions were run by users such as myself, and a 'base' of users was created (verymuch like certain users post in the technology forums) then I believe it would grow into a larger focus on these forums.

How can you say there is no interest. I know there will be lots of replies to this post from users supporting the idea.

33 threads in three months is nothing to create a sub forum, much less a forum over :) The technology forums are not really a good example to base the photography forums off of, we do not want to create a forum where perhaps some photographers look down on "sub standard" photographers, which is why we would probably not allow users to hold their own competitions.


Just to answer your last two questions there...

I believe the forum would be used yes. I also see the need for a photography forum, to allow us to have our photographic discussion away from other areas of Art/Pictures. If we have our own area, this allows use to post as many thrads as we want, without 'competing' with other threads which are nothing to do with photography. It would also allow us to get some threads stickied such as a photographic competition.

On top of this sub-forums could be created such as 'Advertisement' etc. I am sure you have seen the support that this has got from both normal users and super moderators.

Atleast give it a trial period?

I disagree with the comment that you need to "differentiate" from art and pictures, honestly you're not in a pitched battle for frontpage views in the Other Pictures forum, as I said. You can already post threads as much as you want.



Failing a sub-forum, why not edit the description so that newcomers know where photography discussions are? Pictures could mean anything, like lolcat edits or random shots of people clubbing.

That's a very rational suggestion, we'll probably implement something along those lines.


A great post Jordy and well summed up :)

I have thought of a funny situation this could be compared to:

Student: We want a salad bar
Canteen: There isn't enough interest
Student: But you haven't offered it before therefore people haven't shown an interest?

That's an extremely flawed example. That assumes there is no outlet - which is not true. There is an outlet, simply you want an entirely seperate one. This would be more along the lines of your request:

Student: We want a salad bar
Canteen: There's a salad bar in the sandwiches line
Student: We don't want to have to wait on line with the people buying sandwiches
Canteen: Only about 10 people buy salad and 5 buy sandwiches. You don't need a seperate salad bar

;) Now it seems ridiculous for me to write out a scenario like that but you started the Student-Canteen scenario so I wanted to make the realistic comparison in step with your comparison.

[e5]

33 threads in three months is nothing to create a sub forum, much less a forum over :) The technology forums are not really a good example to base the photography forums off of, we do not want to create a forum where perhaps some photographers look down on "sub standard" photographers, which is why we would probably not allow users to hold their own competitions.



I disagree with the comment that you need to "differentiate" from art and pictures, honestly you're not in a pitched battle for frontpage views in the Other Pictures forum, as I said. You can already post threads as much as you want.




That's a very rational suggestion, we'll probably implement something along those lines.



That's an extremely flawed example. That assumes there is no outlet - which is not true. There is an outlet, simply you want an entirely seperate one. This would be more along the lines of your request:

Student: We want a salad bar
Canteen: There's a salad bar in the sandwiches line
Student: We don't want to have to wait on line with the people buying sandwiches
Canteen: Only about 10 people buy salad and 5 buy sandwiches. You don't need a seperate salad bar

;) Now it seems ridiculous for me to write out a scenario like that but you started the Student-Canteen scenario so I wanted to make the realistic comparison in step with your comparison.
Is that a long way of saying no? :P

[DarrenToogood]

I think your main concern is users commenting poorly on other users photographs - I am sure this would not happen and I am sure users can remain mature.

Remember, photography isn't Habbo Trading section :)

[cocaine]

Remember, photography isn't Habbo Trading section :)

i dont see how that comes into play :S

[DarrenToogood]

By that I mean its not habbo users arguing over whos room is the best :)

[Axel]

Pictures forum.

[nvrspk4]

Is that a long way of saying no? :P

Yes.

Darren, those were not the only arguments against it :)


By that I mean its not habbo users arguing over whos room is the best :)

No I disagree I can already see sorts of issues forming - and its not only Habbo where this conflict arises, it is more prevalent in Technology where users have a certain professional superiority with regards to each other.

[Leetzgirl]

Yes.

Darren, those were not the only arguments against it :)



No I disagree I can already see sorts of issues forming - and its not only Habbo where this conflict arises, it is more prevalent in Technology where users have a certain professional superiority with regards to each other.


There would be more argumeants if it was crated.

Gonna get people like darren saying he takes pro photos, then takes the piss out of the "snappers" if there such thing :$

[DaveTaylor]

I got given a link to this a couple of days ago by Darren, he was obviously hoping I would support this, however in some cases I don't, it doesn't yet warrant a sub-forum yet at all, however Darren does play a part in that himself, due to his "professional status" and claims of others as "snappers" he has some what damaged the chances of this sub-forum at the moment, I agree prefixes are not the nicest of ways to do such a thing however at the moment maybe it's the best thing for it, and wait and see.

[GommeInc]

That's a very rational suggestion, we'll probably implement something along those lines.

I shall print screen this :P You liked something I said :P

Does seem like a reasonable idea though :)

[nvrspk4]

I shall print screen this :P You liked something I said :P

Does seem like a reasonable idea though :)

Don't worry, I already had a screenshot of the momentous post :P This will probably implemented along with this week's changes :) Though this will be one of the most minor :o:o Big changes woo!

[Recursion]

I got given a link to this a couple of days ago by Darren, he was obviously hoping I would support this, however in some cases I don't, it doesn't yet warrant a sub-forum yet at all, however Darren does play a part in that himself, due to his "professional status" and claims of others as "snappers" he has some what damaged the chances of this sub-forum at the moment, I agree prefixes are not the nicest of ways to do such a thing however at the moment maybe it's the best thing for it, and wait and see.

Amen to that.

[Hypertext]

I'm probably just as bad -- but what Dave said is the exact thing that annoys me, I think nvr was trying to say that, in a nice generalistic way, in regard to his comment about "professional and "sub standard" photographers". I think that that kind of attitude exists in D&D. I think Darren is being slightly elitist, and nvr's "touche" about the cantean incident, sounds like exactly that, there already is places for him to post, but he is being elitist in wanting a different forum for "professional" photographers. As my art teacher always said -- you can judge how good art is, so I think all the supporters of this idea need to swallow their pride, and join the so called "snappers" in the pictures forum.

My $0.02.

[Hypertext]

I'm probably just as bad -- but what Dave said is the exact thing that annoys me, I think nvr was trying to say that, in a nice generalist way, in regard to his comment about "professional and "sub standard" photographers". I think that that kind of attitude exists in D&D. I think Darren is being slightly elitist, and nvr's "touche" about the canteen incident, sounds like exactly that, there already is places for him to post, but he is being elitist in wanting a different forum for "professional" photographers. As my art teacher always said -- art can be anything or something to the effect that there isn't a good or bad, so I think all the supporters of this idea need to swallow their pride, and join the so called "snappers" in the pictures forum.

My $0.02.

[ItsMeh]

this would be good. I could show my professional photos