VIP+ Too Costly.

[Coldplay]

4 Pounds a month? Thats a bit ridiculous don't you think? Thats 150% times MORE than normal VIP, and you barely get any extra features.

[Immenseman]

Habbox needs money to keep it running, you're not being forced to buy it. There are some extra features, yes not many but some at least. I do agree with you there should be some more features for VIP+, I might be mistaken but I think there are future ideas for VIP+ members to get new features. People are still buying it at the moment, so it must still appeal to some.

[Slowpoke]

There are VIP+ improvements with more features on the way according to nvrspk4.

[H0BJ0B]

I think half the reason it's so high is because it's for people that would like to donate too, and are not just paying for the VIP itself.

[le harry]

You're just poor. :)

[GoldenMerc]

I 100% agree with you, I changed my other thread about dodger blue into a discussion about this alot of people said they just want to donate.

[Coldplay]

Just donating is a bit unfair, as people would abuse and donate like, 1p...

But - I think VIP+ should only be like, 2.50 a month max.

Because then you'd get more people buying it. You have an unlimited supply of it - so why not increase the demand?

[Hazza]

I think a fair price for VIP+ is £3.00. I know its only one pound but yakno.
Also if they made it so you could buy via SMS £3.00 would be a better price because £1 of credit more is 10 texts. (LOL :P. Even though I'm on contract)

[jackass]

I would probably be willing to pay £2.50 for it maximum.

I wouldn't even consider buying it at the current price, I don't have enough money. :P

[Tintinnabulate]

If you cannot afford it then dont buy it. Its optional. There has been so many threads on this that its getting annoying.
Habbox has many sites and the server costs are high. They are most likely in £x,xxx so if you dont want to buy it then dont. They are not forcing you to. Its just a donation to help them pay the bills.

[--ss--]

If vip+ was cheaper more people may actually think about buying it, which would probably make much more in the long run than charging high prices.

[Hazza]

I totally agree. If they lowered it to £2.50. I reckon x5 more the current amount of people will buy it. I think there is like 3/4 VIP+'s atm?

[Funya Chin]

I have it because I donate a lot to Habbox - I've had VIP(+) ever since I can remember although, I do think the features are a bit lax considering the price.

[J0SH]

I would happily pay £2. :P

[GommeInc]

Habbox needs money to keep it running, you're not being forced to buy it. There are some extra features, yes not many but some at least. I do agree with you there should be some more features for VIP+, I might be mistaken but I think there are future ideas for VIP+ members to get new features. People are still buying it at the moment, so it must still appeal to some.
They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

[Hiro]

The price doesn't really bother me, either way I don't mind doing my bit for Habbox. I've had VIP+ since it was released and recently bought 6 months of it. If the price does go down, I will still keep buying, even if it goes up.

[CHA!NGANG]

:o This reminds me of my economics :P Erm, It depends on how many people currently buy it and if management think in the long run lowering prices will increase the money generated from VIP+. If they lower prices to £2, then that would be too low, but I do think it should be slightly reduced but to around £3, which should increase the money habbox makes in the long run, but only management know the figures and stuff :D

[Axel]

£4 what a rip.

[Hazza]

I don't actually buy VIP via SMS or Paypal. I purchase from others for furniture on the hotel that I don't use. I pay 3HC for one month, I would happily pay 5/6HC for one month of VIP+ but 8HC is a little bit too much. I've had VIP+ before and its good, but not worth £4 or 8HC :P

[MissAlice]

HABBOX VIP PRICES
Habbox VIP (1 month): £1.50
Habbox VIP (3 months): £4.00
Habbox VIP (6 months): £7.00


HABBOX VIP+ PRICES
Habbox VIP+ (1 month): £4
Habbox VIP+ (3 months): £10
Habbox VIP+ (6 months): £17

Main differences between VIP & VIP+
VIP+ receive 30 rep points while VIP receive 15
PM Storage of 1000 while VIP have 600
Profile Picture 350 x 500 while VIP have 250 x 250
2 exclusive colours for VIP+ only

Both offer an @habboxforum.com email account 10MB's of space
Both have more forums?
Both offer larger avatar 150 x 150
Both have invisible option
Both can see who gave you reputation points
Both have the option to have a name change
Both can post events on the Habbox VIP calendar
Both can change their user title
Both can have HTML in user title
Both have access to the arcade
Both have the 700 x 300 signature picture size
Both can enter exclusive VIP Competitions

If I've made a mistake above I stand corrected ;)

VIP Subforum
£2.50 for 3 months
£4.50 for 6 months

I think VIP get a pretty good deal, and I'm not sure what their exclusive competitions are like, but would like to think they get at least one good competition each month where they can win a couple of HCs at the very least.

What must be remembered here is that when you buy VIP or VIP+ you are donating to Habbox to help support with the running costs of such a huge and ever growing site. All that a side I do think VIP+ donate a much much larger amount for very few extra benefits, and looking at the VIP forum, from what I can see very few VIP members have a subforum. Now if the price for VIP+ isn't going to be reduced perhaps management could see their way to include this feature as one of the benefits of VIP+.

Another idea, would be to give each VIP+ member an identity number, 3 digits with no zeros ranging from 1 to 6, hold a monthly lottery, prize of 10 HCs or similar per month, using 3 dice on the hotel, which I would happily give a year's supply of prizes. At Christmas time hold a special lottery for VIP+ to win 3 months free VIP+ with one of the conditions being you must of purchased a minimum of 6 months VIP+ during that year.

I just think the benefits of VIP+ need a little boosting to thank those that do pay a lot more, perhaps then VIP+ membership may get a boost too :)

[Agnostic Bear]

Right I am just gonna put it like this:

Stop whining, if you can't afford it buy normal VIP, if you can afford it, buy VIP+. If you can't afford normal VIP: Stop using the internet and save yourself some more money.

[luce]

i do think it's a bit costly but like jake said habbox needs to keep going

[e5]

It would appeal to more if prices were lower, I want it but don't want to fork out £4 a month for it, for ONE month on a forum. Yes, I can afford it, with ease, I just like to get good value for money ;)

[Immenseman]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

Oh but Ryan, you don't have to buy it, that does mean something here... At the end of the day if not one person purchased it then yeah they might lower the prices but people are buying it so people are comfortable with the price. Some who buy it just want to give the money to Habbox whilst having a few extra features to go along with it.

[e5]

They'd make alot more money lowering the price than they're getting now. It doesn't cost Habbox anymore to give us VIP.

[GommeInc]

Oh but Ryan, you don't have to buy it, that does mean something here... At the end of the day if not one person purchased it then yeah they might lower the prices but people are buying it so people are comfortable with the price. Some who buy it just want to give the money to Habbox whilst having a few extra features to go along with it.
Habbox will get more money if they set it to an affordable level. It's not a case of "you don't have to buy it," it's a case of "is it worth buying it." For the price, it isn't other than "it's like donating!" gets thrown about, which it isn't. Donating is giving money for nothing, buying VIP is giving money for features which cost nothing to put upon a user account, other than labour. It's all well and good saying people are buying it at it's current price, but Habbox will make alot more money if it was affordable. It is afterall just VIP+, not a completely new level of premium membership.

[Leetzgirl]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

PM jin for that kinda of stuff :P

[Con]

Habbox needs money to keep it running, you're not being forced to buy it. There are some extra features, yes not many but some at least. I do agree with you there should be some more features for VIP+, I might be mistaken but I think there are future ideas for VIP+ members to get new features. People are still buying it at the moment, so it must still appeal to some.
Basically said everything.
Habbox needed more money to be flowing in.
This VIP+ gives you so many more features and is a decent price.
If you can't pay it, Don't pay it.

[GommeInc]

Basically said everything.
Habbox needed more money to be flowing in.
This VIP+ gives you so many more features and is a decent price.
If you can't pay it, Don't pay it.
"Many" is a bit of an overstatement and this "don't pay it if you can't pay it" reason is getting old. Does Habbox not want to make money and make more happy customers? £2.50 is such a decent price, and as loads of said, they will pay for VIP+ if it cost that much so that's like £10 they could get from lowering the price (I believe I've seen that many people saying that price would make them buy it). If the worry is with current VIP+ members getting annoyed at the drop in price, give a month free. It's a win / win situation for everyone :/

[JackBuddy]

I think a fair price for VIP+ is £3.00. I know its only one pound but yakno.
Also if they made it so you could buy via SMS £3.00 would be a better price because £1 of credit more is 10 texts. (LOL :P. Even though I'm on contract)
I personally think that £1.50 for normal VIP is too expensive to be honest... especially when you consider what you get.

[AgnesIO]

If you cannot afford it then dont buy it. Its optional. There has been so many threads on this that its getting annoying.
Habbox has many sites and the server costs are high. They are most likely in £x,xxx so if you dont want to buy it then dont. They are not forcing you to. Its just a donation to help them pay the bills.

They may be high BUT you have forgot, that if they lowered it by £1...

Say 10 people buy it now - £40

BUT if they lowered it to £3 then more people are likely to buy it so 20 people would buy it. thats £60 - Now what is better?


If vip+ was cheaper more people may actually think about buying it, which would probably make much more in the long run than charging high prices.

100% TRUE.


I totally agree. If they lowered it to £2.50. I reckon x5 more the current amount of people will buy it. I think there is like 3/4 VIP+'s atm?

Totally Agree!


They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

Exactly.


:o This reminds me of my economics :P Erm, It depends on how many people currently buy it and if management think in the long run lowering prices will increase the money generated from VIP+. If they lower prices to £2, then that would be too low, but I do think it should be slightly reduced but to around £3, which should increase the money habbox makes in the long run, but only management know the figures and stuff :D

They may only know the figures BUT they obviously arn't very good at business.. ;)


£4 what a rip.

Lol, strong but true.


I don't actually buy VIP via SMS or Paypal. I purchase from others for furniture on the hotel that I don't use. I pay 3HC for one month, I would happily pay 5/6HC for one month of VIP+ but 8HC is a little bit too much. I've had VIP+ before and its good, but not worth £4 or 8HC :P

Hehe one of habbox's most trusted sellers here :D

Na but anyway, tbh the sellers charging 8hc is for a reason.

1hc = 50p.

400 / 50 = 8






It would appeal to more if prices were lower, I want it but don't want to fork out £4 a month for it, for ONE month on a forum. Yes, I can afford it, with ease, I just like to get good value for money ;)

Agreed. I can EASILY afford it, but it is overpriced for what i get. Value is the key :D


Oh but Ryan, you don't have to buy it, that does mean something here... At the end of the day if not one person purchased it then yeah they might lower the prices but people are buying it so people are comfortable with the price. Some who buy it just want to give the money to Habbox whilst having a few extra features to go along with it.


It isnt the case of having to buy it.

If habbo management know anything about business, then they would realsie more will buy it at a lower price.

They'd make alot more money lowering the price than they're getting now. It doesn't cost Habbox anymore to give us VIP.


Basically said everything.
Habbox needed more money to be flowing in.
This VIP+ gives you so many more features and is a decent price.
If you can't pay it, Don't pay it.


We can pay :P But the reason some cant pay it as they waste most there money, as they cant see the VALUE.

----

BRING VIP+ OUT ON SMS PLEASE!

ADD MORE FEATURES.

MORE EXCLUSIVE COLOURS.

[jrh2002]

I have to agree its way ott on the price.

VIP was here to help people pay for the site so why not just improve that with more colours and more features which = more people? I have said this a few times recently but I think VIP+ is just greedy and one of the daftest ideas ever in HxF's history and there has been a few.

Some of you who say you dont need to buy and its a way of donating more surely you could donate directly out of the goodness of your heart if you feel so strongly? you dont need an excuse to donate.

[MissAlice]

Oh and I also think there should be a new user bar for VIP+ something a little more snazzy ;)

[Con]

Oh and I also think there should be a new user bar for VIP+ something a little more snazzy ;)
True true, But I don't like userbars :P
I will admit I like the userbars on clubhabbo though :P.

[Jordy]

I reckon if they really wanted to make VIP+ members feel exclusive and Habbox wants to be grateful too them, they should perhaps limit the amount of VIP+ members to 10 and perhaps then up the price to £5 - Maybe it would be a bit less money though it does sound like you only have 5-6 at the moment, if members felt they were exclusive and actually part of Habbox, not just another randomer who bought VIP+ then maybe they'd pay the premium fee if only a limited number of people could have it, and they could perhaps be a waiting list if it became over-crowded.

I can't see many, if anyone liking my idea but if I genuinely felt like Habbox were grateful for my donation and gave that exclusivity, I'd perhaps treat myself occasionally.

[GoldenMerc]

I think your idea's good and all Jordy but people arnt buyin VIP+ because theres nothing SUPER unique i mean i think VIP is a tad overpriced but im willing to pay it, But VIP+ is way overpriced for the features it holds.

[AgnesIO]

I reckon if they really wanted to make VIP+ members feel exclusive and Habbox wants to be grateful too them, they should perhaps limit the amount of VIP+ members to 10 and perhaps then up the price to £5 - Maybe it would be a bit less money though it does sound like you only have 5-6 at the moment, if members felt they were exclusive and actually part of Habbox, not just another randomer who bought VIP+ then maybe they'd pay the premium fee if only a limited number of people could have it, and they could perhaps be a waiting list if it became over-crowded.

I can't see many, if anyone liking my idea but if I genuinely felt like Habbox were grateful for my donation and gave that exclusivity, I'd perhaps treat myself occasionally.


Lol, sorry but this time, i HATE that idea.

If only 10 could get it, then really the MAX they will get is: £600. That is however providing they each buy TEN months. It wont happen ;)

[Mint]

I have the money to buy VIP+ but it isn't worth it, they have recently improved what you get when you buy VIP+ but that doesn't make a difference to the price. I remember MAD or might of been nvr saying something like "VIP+ is for the users that are willing to pay a little bit more and help Habbox by giving a small donation" He doesn't mean that your paying for VIP+ and donating but he means that by paying more for VIP you are kind of donating to the site. But, if they made it just a pound or 2 cheaper to buy then they would sell more VIP+ so in the long run they will be making much more! ;)

[no waiii]

add mor features all we have really in a colour and lock thread

[Hiro]

add mor features all we have really in a colour and lock thread

When you say "add more features" it is always best to say some you would like to see.

[--ss--]

When you say "add more features" it is always best to say some you would like to see.
Access to Pornboxforum (Ask Ryan, he'll explain) ;)

Don't see why it can't be like £3 (Double normal price) seeing as any amount over normal VIP price is still a donation. I'd be happy to buy to donate to HxF via buying VIP+ but at the current moment I don't see any point in paying 230% more than I would normally pay for VIP.

[GommeInc]

Access to Pornboxforum (Ask Ryan, he'll explain) ;)

Don't see why it can't be like £3 (Double normal price) seeing as any amount over normal VIP price is still a donation. I'd be happy to buy to donate to HxF via buying VIP+ but at the current moment I don't see any point in paying 230% more than I would normally pay for VIP.
It's a forum for porn :D

£3 is good, double the price but with a few more features and some exclusiveness. Habbox would make some more money doing that than at the current price.

[jackass]

I stick by my point that I would only pay £2.50 p/month. ;)

[Hazza]

It's a forum for porn :D

£3 is good, double the price but with a few more features and some exclusiveness. Habbox would make some more money doing that than at the current price.
Agreed, I would certainly buy.

[Coldplay]

I'd go for the pornbox. lol

[Agnostic Bear]

I will say this again, it's not too costly you're just too poor, buy VIP and be happy with it.

[Axel]

I still think £4 is alot, but if you can't afford it, stick to normal VIP.

[Sammeth.]

Luckily since I started back at Habbox people have bought me my VIP at no cost to me :D So my advice would be flirt with general management. But really, I think VIP+ is a reasonable price, though a few more features wouldn't hurt one bit.

[RedArmy]

i agree.
£4 is too much.

[ItsMeh]

never knew it was that expensive :O

[nvrspk4]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

I know I always tell you that you don't know what you're talking about, and you argue with me. Trust me on this one, you're wrong ;)


Habbox will get more money if they set it to an affordable level. It's not a case of "you don't have to buy it," it's a case of "is it worth buying it." For the price, it isn't other than "it's like donating!" gets thrown about, which it isn't. Donating is giving money for nothing, buying VIP is giving money for features which cost nothing to put upon a user account, other than labour. It's all well and good saying people are buying it at it's current price, but Habbox will make alot more money if it was affordable. It is afterall just VIP+, not a completely new level of premium membership.

There is a law called the law of diminishing marginal utility. This states that consumers will only buy so much of a product, no matter how low the price, because as the supply increases due to lower prices, the value increases. Basically, the same number of people might buy it at 3 pounds that would at 2.50. Or the rise in buyers may not cover the money lost by dropping from 3 pounds to 2.50. So its not that simple.

We are trying to increase the features for VIP since we acknowledge its a lot for some, but not for others.

[Tintinnabulate]

They don't need that much money, unless they're being seriously ripped off for hosting and licenses. It is rediculously expensive, and the excuse "you don't have to buy it" means nothing here. Anyone who took business studies will know, that prices must be kept competitive and affordable especially with other products e.g. regular VIP. For the price you pay, it isn't worth it. It's not even exclusive, which is possibly the only reason to make anything like VIP+ worth the money.

If it was £2.50, they'll make more money than if it were £4 via word of mouth and affordability for the price of the features.

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.

[Blinger1]

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.

Why don't they just work for free? Or as a hobby if you can call it that?
That way they save money anyway ;)

[Tintinnabulate]

Why don't they just work for free? Or as a hobby if you can call it that?
That way they save money anyway ;)

They do. Most staff do work for free, but a few who spend alot of time making this site work, (which alot of the members dont appreciate) do deserve a few quid. They dont get paid alot, only a few £'s a month from what I can remember. Its like a thank you.
Yes all staff work hard, but some spend ALOT more time and without them, this site wouldnt work properly.

[GommeInc]

Do you ever stop complaining? They are not being ripped off. Considering how many visitors habbox gets andt he amount of resources hxf uses, the server costs are in £x,xxx. And from what I remember, sierk even pays the higher management staff as a thank you.
And its fact, YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY IT. Alot of people buy it to help habbox.
So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?


We are trying to increase the features for VIP since we acknowledge its a lot for some, but not for others.
You know aswell as I do at how hopeless it is at finding new VIP features, let alone VIP+ features!! :P Unless you want to remove or edit VIP (which isn't suggested), then there's no hope for finding truely amazing new VIP+ features without adding modifications and plug-ins, which Habbox is usually against.

[Tintinnabulate]

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?


I see what you are saying but whats the gurantee that they will buy it for £3? Most people want it reduced to £2.50 not £3. But even so, whats the gurantee they will buy it for £2.50? I guess in business they have to take risks, but I think £3.50 would be a good value not £3.
And if you notice, I just said stop complaining, I only mentioned that the server costs are actually in £x,xxx and never mentioned anything about VIP+ prices.

[GommeInc]

I see what you are saying but whats the gurantee that they will buy it for £3? Most people want it reduced to £2.50 not £3. But even so, whats the gurantee they will buy it for £2.50? I guess in business they have to take risks, but I think £3.50 would be a good value not £3.
And if you notice, I just said stop complaining, I only mentioned that the server costs are actually in £x,xxx and never mentioned anything about VIP+ prices.
Only real way is to officially announce a survey or ask around in a thread to find out, but you can't guarantee those people will actually buy it. As you said, it would be a risk :/

£3.50 would still be quite dear for some people. Afterall it is just a forum and non-Habbo forums don't even pay that much, and they're usually heavily modified so there's more features :P Then you take in the idea of how much companies sell exclusive features. Habbo Club on Habbo for example, is only £2 and you get quite alot of features now and loads of people buy HC now so I'm guessing they're making alot more money that usual. Runescape is £3.50, but they get huge upgrades to their account like larger map etc

£2.50 would only be good if they double the amount of people who would buy for that much than for £4, but that is getting a bit close to the point of losing money or not gaining any at all. £3 seems to break even, it's inbetween the suggested £2.50 and the £4 price which I'm guessing is mainly at that price because it's to make it more exclusive. But that's how I see it, it maybe different for others :)

[Tintinnabulate]

Habbox needs to take risks and install a few modifications but check the code properly first.

[jackass]

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

Does no-one see the benefits?

I totally agree here. +rep. :)

[Coldplay]

Only real way is to officially announce a survey or ask around in a thread to find out, but you can't guarantee those people will actually buy it. As you said, it would be a risk :/

£3.50 would still be quite dear for some people. Afterall it is just a forum and non-Habbo forums don't even pay that much, and they're usually heavily modified so there's more features :P Then you take in the idea of how much companies sell exclusive features. Habbo Club on Habbo for example, is only £2 and you get quite alot of features now and loads of people buy HC now so I'm guessing they're making alot more money that usual. Runescape is £3.50, but they get huge upgrades to their account like larger map etc

£2.50 would only be good if they double the amount of people who would buy for that much than for £4, but that is getting a bit close to the point of losing money or not gaining any at all. £3 seems to break even, it's inbetween the suggested £2.50 and the £4 price which I'm guessing is mainly at that price because it's to make it more exclusive. But that's how I see it, it maybe different for others :)

Basic business and economics there, you have an unlimited supply, as I said earlier, so why not increase the demand, as prices and demand have an inverse relationship, naturally speaking;

As long as the price is high, demand is low

When the price is low, Demand is high.

Higher Demand = More consumers = More purchases @ lower cost = Higher profits.

If you can PM me the figures, I bet I could construct you a basic PPF.

Edit; Also, one of the basic characteristics of an entrepreneur is initiative, and another is risk taking.

[GommeInc]

Basic business and economics there, you have an unlimited supply, as I said earlier, so why not increase the demand, as prices and demand have an inverse relationship, naturally speaking;

As long as the price is high, demand is low

When the price is low, Demand is high.

Higher Demand = More consumers = More purchases @ lower cost = Higher profits.

If you can PM me the figures, I bet I could construct you a basic PPF.

Edit; Also, one of the basic characteristics of an entrepreneur is initiative, and another is risk taking.
Thank goodness someone likes you exists! I was losing hope! :P

[RyanDOT]

4 Pounds a month? Thats a bit ridiculous don't you think? Thats 150% times MORE than normal VIP, and you barely get any extra features.

A few reasons:

People want to donate for Habbox.
Profit Making
Pay Bills: Hosting,Domain renewal, radio server, GL payments, VB features which included Chat system.

They paid for a chat system out of the money we gave them, and they returning by more features like the chat system.

[GommeInc]

A few reasons:

People want to donate for Habbox.
Profit Making
Pay Bills: Hosting,Domain renewal, radio server, GL payments, VB features which included Chat system.

1. If people want to donate to Habbox, they can do without the need to buy VIP+, that excuse is old and dry now.
2. As stated, they'll make ALOT more money if it was £2.50 or £3. Again, that argument is old and dry.
3. The chat system is possibly one of the biggest disappointments on Habbox and a waste of money. They can pay bills and more with a cheaper price. And as the VIPs have shown, the support at the moment for their VIP subsciptions is quite lousy at the moment, but that is being sorted by the sounds of things so it's not all bad.

[Mint]

I don't see any point in paying 230% more than I would normally pay for VIP.
I'd pmsl if nvr posted saying "If your unhappy about paying 230% more than VIP for VIP+ then we will increase the price of VIP so your only paying 50% more for VIP+" All the VIP regulars would brick themselves! :P

[nvrspk4]

So Habbox don't want to make more money? Have you not noticed how many people are actually saying they will buy VIP+ if it cost a little less?

10 people buy VIP+ for £4, which is £40

Lowering it to £3 would mean 10 x £3 = £30

PLUS the however many said they would buy it at a lower price e.g. 10.

10 x £3 x 2 = £60 which is £20 more than they would be getting now.

Does no-one here do business studies and basic math? I am seeing alot of GCSE Math Failures :rolleyes:

It's not about "YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT," it about gaining costs to pay for the servers and a lower price which would make others want to pay for it will be beneficial to Habbox. It'll only be a waste of lowering the price beyond half the current costs e.g. £4 becomes £2, because then if they only make twice as many more VIP+ members, they'll only be making the same amount of money if it was sold for £4 and half the VIP+ members. Selling it for £3 rather than £4, and then double the amount of people buying it means they gain £1 for every new member to VIP+ added to the current amount. Again, that's basic math and business studies rolled into one :S

I'm aware of the numbers (although rampant through this thread are baseless numerical assumptions) but sierk, as the business head of Habbox, has decided that he does not want to drop the price for the moment, and that is a decision that is not up to the members, nor will business matters ever be. I am a business scholar so trust me I am extremely aware of the statistics, the possibilities, and the opportunities, we will make business decisions as we see fit and with sierk being an absolute expert in mathematics, I will go so far as to say that he is the top mathematician to use this forum, and me being pretty proficient in business, we have the capability to make business decisions for ourselves, thanks. We are aware of the statistics, you've given us the information, and it is our decision to make.

We have entertained discussions about price drops but sierk decided for the moment he is keeping it at four pounds, it may drop in the future, or it may never drop. We may conduct market research through a simple poll later, but once again that will be our decision.

There are certain instances where we welcome your opinion to discuss issues that affect the community. Here too we welcome your personal opinion that VIP+ is too costly, fair enough. However we have made a business decision and that business decision will stand until we see fit to change it. I realize I sound like a complete dictator but it is absolutely ridiculous that we spend so much time having to justify our decisions, which are always made with analysis of the facts, taking away from the time we could be doing other things.

[AgnesIO]

I'm aware of the numbers (although rampant through this thread are baseless numerical assumptions) but sierk, as the business head of Habbox, has decided that he does not want to drop the price for the moment, and that is a decision that is not up to the members, nor will business matters ever be. I am a business scholar so trust me I am extremely aware of the statistics, the possibilities, and the opportunities, we will make business decisions as we see fit and with sierk being an absolute expert in mathematics, I will go so far as to say that he is the top mathematician to use this forum, and me being pretty proficient in business, we have the capability to make business decisions for ourselves, thanks. We are aware of the statistics, you've given us the information, and it is our decision to make.

We have entertained discussions about price drops but sierk decided for the moment he is keeping it at four pounds, it may drop in the future, or it may never drop. We may conduct market research through a simple poll later, but once again that will be our decision.

There are certain instances where we welcome your opinion to discuss issues that affect the community. Here too we welcome your personal opinion that VIP+ is too costly, fair enough. However we have made a business decision and that business decision will stand until we see fit to change it. I realize I sound like a complete dictator but it is absolutely ridiculous that we spend so much time having to justify our decisions, which are always made with analysis of the facts, taking away from the time we could be doing other things.

Well let me be the first to say, the decision is WRONG.

However i do full aprredicate managemnets decision, but imo, you have made the wrong one.

[Tintinnabulate]

Well let me be the first to say, the decision is WRONG.

However i do full aprredicate managemnets decision, but imo, you have made the wrong one.

If they have then they will suffer. Theres no point moaning about it now as the price won't change for now ...
Also by keep moaning, and asking nvrspk4 to reply, he could have been doing other things with the forum instead of replying ...

[AgnesIO]

If they have then they will suffer. Theres no point moaning about it now as the price won't change for now ...
Also by keep moaning, and asking nvrspk4 to reply, he could have been doing other things with the forum instead of replying ...

I didnt ask him to reply??

I am debating..

[Tintinnabulate]

I didnt ask him to reply??

I am debating..

I was referring to users in general, not just you.

[Shawnstra]

Actually I do feel that the prices are a little steep, especially the exchange rates here in Singapore. If the prices were just slightly lower, maybe more would buy it, thus increasing profits. Seeing the extra features are quite little (No ads = most people use adblock plus), Colours not many people change them often anyway, just a slightly bigger profile picture that hardly anyone sees (unlike avatar and signature) correct me if I am wrong about any of these features, not many would buy it.

Just my opinion, please don't flame.

[ideabox]

Why do you even WANT VIP?! Do you just want to see a bigger picture for your avatar?
I'd rather buy 12 cans of coca cola and make a shallow bath from it.

[GommeInc]

I'm aware of the numbers (although rampant through this thread are baseless numerical assumptions) but sierk, as the business head of Habbox, has decided that he does not want to drop the price for the moment, and that is a decision that is not up to the members, nor will business matters ever be. I am a business scholar so trust me I am extremely aware of the statistics, the possibilities, and the opportunities, we will make business decisions as we see fit and with sierk being an absolute expert in mathematics, I will go so far as to say that he is the top mathematician to use this forum, and me being pretty proficient in business, we have the capability to make business decisions for ourselves, thanks. We are aware of the statistics, you've given us the information, and it is our decision to make.

We have entertained discussions about price drops but sierk decided for the moment he is keeping it at four pounds, it may drop in the future, or it may never drop. We may conduct market research through a simple poll later, but once again that will be our decision.

There are certain instances where we welcome your opinion to discuss issues that affect the community. Here too we welcome your personal opinion that VIP+ is too costly, fair enough. However we have made a business decision and that business decision will stand until we see fit to change it. I realize I sound like a complete dictator but it is absolutely ridiculous that we spend so much time having to justify our decisions, which are always made with analysis of the facts, taking away from the time we could be doing other things.
Quite a poor decision then. You don't have to be a "business scholar" or a "maths expert" to realise that. Besides, I'm getting a degree in business studies so you're no different. Hopefully sierk will realise the benefits of a slightly cheaper price, it does seem a more sensible idea considering the main aim is to maintain server costs. You never, extra money maybe put into fun add-ons :D As the phrases go (for people who aren't doing business studies/maths):

You don't have to be a baker to know a cake is crap, or be a business man to know how to not run a business, or be a forum manager to know how to run a forum, or a member of parliament to know when a decision is bad (I have a book on these right next to me, if you couldn't already tell :P)

An amusing one is: "You don't have to be a chicken to know when an egg is mouldy" :D

[Moh]

If they lowered the cost of the VIP+ more people would buy it, therefore making even more money.

So if they lowered the price down to £2 / £2.50, more people would buy it. At that price, there's a much higher price of two people buying it than just one buying it for £4.

So they would also make £4 / £5 much faster, and more of it.

Its like Tesco, there one of the highest money making supermarkets in UK, just because people buy more cheaper stuff than they do more expensive stuff.


Edit: Just noticed someone posted something like this :(

[Blinger1]

If they lowered the cost of the VIP+ more people would buy it, therefore making even more money.

So if they lowered the price down to £2 / £2.50, more people would buy it. At that price, there's a much higher price of two people buying it than just one buying it for £4.

So they would also make £4 / £5 much faster, and more of it.

Its like Tesco, there one of the highest money making supermarkets in UK, just because people buy more cheaper stuff than they do more expensive stuff.
wow man... cut down the logic!!

Good idea still though.