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Black_Apalachi

13-11-2008, 10:45 PM

Honestly why do they insit on using Internet Explorer? I think it's safe to say nobody likes it! :eusa_wall

I've been checking different browsers as I go along to make sure everything looks OK in them (IE, Firefox, Opera, Safari). And everything did... until now.

Firefox is still displaying it 100% perfect.
Opera was 100% perfect.
Safari was pretty good (although everything looks crap in Safari :P)
And IE was wasn't doing too badly either I suppose

But NOW....

The first problem is in IE. It completely ignores margins and text is always about a line higher than in other browsers. This is aggrivating me because I'm trying to put a few links at the foot of a content box but in IE they're too high up and go right to the right-hand edge (because I want them right-aligned).

Second problem is in Opera. Up to now it was displaying everything identically to Firefox but suddenly in one div, it's displaying it about two pixels short (length). I could obviously fix this by increasing the div size by two pixels but then it would be too big on every other browser!!

Does anybody possess any magic spells to be traded for positive reputation? Thankies! :D

Excellent2

13-11-2008, 10:55 PM

This has probably been said over 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times in the past. No need for a thread on it :P

Awfy

13-11-2008, 11:01 PM

The way to combat it is to sue Microsoft for being Microsoft and throw Granny Smiths at them until they get the message.

Black_Apalachi

13-11-2008, 11:12 PM

This has probably been said over 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times in the past. No need for a thread on it :P

Well.. there is.. because I was hoping someone may have a solution.....

The way to combat it is to sue Microsoft for being Microsoft and throw Granny Smiths at them until they get the message.

I'll bare that in mind ;).

Shawnstra

13-11-2008, 11:25 PM

Just for your info, the IE in my school says an error whenever I open it. Yes there is an error, me using it :D

Tbh, I only think IE's huge market share is due to it taking advantage of the Windows OS. If it was available as a separate download, or even was uninstallable, it would not garner a market share as huge. And - I can't believe IE takes time to load a blank page, like it goes "Loading..." for about a second. :P

Anyway, go for firefox!

Alexz0r

13-11-2008, 11:27 PM

[QUOTE] Are Microsoft stupid!!? Lol/QUOTE]

Is* lol soz.

HabbDance

13-11-2008, 11:31 PM

The way to combat it is to sue Microsoft for being Microsoft and throw Granny Smiths at them until they get the message.
Tryed that once but it didn't work :[

I also have this problem alot. For IE, you can use this:

<html>
<head>
<title>YourSite.com!</title>
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

</head>
<body>
Content...
</body>
</html>

Basicly where it says:


You can make different styles for different IE versions, just change the number and the style.css

Hope i helped ;)

Black_Apalachi

13-11-2008, 11:40 PM

Tryed that once but it didn't work :[

I also have this problem alot. For IE, you can use this:

<html>
<head>
<title>YourSite.com!</title>
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />

</head>
<body>
Content...
</body>
</html>
Basicly where it says:

You can make different styles for different IE versions, just change the number and the style.css

Hope i helped ;)

Woah once again HabbDance saves the day! :D

I think I'll be able to sort my Opera problem using that but I dunno about the IE problem as I can't get it right in IE at all (regeradless of other browsers).

Edit: would the "style.css" file just be the css part of the page as it suggests? So get rid of everything from <body> to </body>? And the otehr two attributes remain as they are?

HabbDance

14-11-2008, 12:07 AM

Woah once again HabbDance saves the day! :D

I think I'll be able to sort my Opera problem using that but I dunno about the IE problem as I can't get it right in IE at all (regeradless of other browsers).

Edit: would the "style.css" file just be the css part of the page as it suggests? So get rid of everything from <body> to </body>? And the otehr two attributes remain as they are?
Lol, glad to help :]

Leave your current default stylesheet:
<style type="text/css">

</stlye>

Then copy your default stylesheet and put it in a new document. Make the changes that you need for the browser. Save as styleie6.css, then add the code i showed you.

Maybe someone can explain that better :P

HotelUser

14-11-2008, 12:21 AM

It's weird. Firefox randomly stops loading pages since I got Vista (I'm shocked....a product problem on Vista:O). Now I'm forced to use Google Chrome, it's decent I suppose.

Iszak

14-11-2008, 04:20 AM

A reason why your website may be appearing incorrectly in multiple browsers is if you don't have a document type so ensure that you have a well formed document that has a document type like as follows.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<link href="styles/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

<meta name="robots" content="index, nofollow">
<meta name="author" content="Author">

<title>Site Name - Site Slogan</title>
</head>
<body>

</body>
</html>

Now this is just one I use - but by using a document type at the type it will send most browsers into 'standard mode', saving hassels. For examples http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=528569 if you read some comments about the padding messing up in Internet Explorer compared to Firefox - this is because of the box model bug in Internet Explorer, by supplying a document type it will avoid this bug; identifying the importance of a document type.

Black_Apalachi

14-11-2008, 05:13 AM

Lol, glad to help :]

Leave your current default stylesheet:
<style type="text/css">

</stlye>

Then copy your default stylesheet and put it in a new document. Make the changes that you need for the browser. Save as styleie6.css, then add the code i showed you.

Maybe someone can explain that better :P

Ok well suddenly everything's fallen into place on IE, FF and after a fit, Opera :P (I havn't checked Safari). So I'll leave things as they are but thanks for he tip, I may use it in the future :). +rep if I can.

It's weird. Firefox randomly stops loading pages since I got Vista (I'm shocked....a product problem on Vista:O). Now I'm forced to use Google Chrome, it's decent I suppose.

Ooh I havn't tried Chrome yet. I'll have to download that now ;).

A reason why your website may be appearing incorrectly in multiple browsers is if you don't have a document type so ensure that you have a well formed document that has a document type like as follows.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<link href="styles/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

<meta name="robots" content="index, nofollow">
<meta name="author" content="Author">

<title>Site Name - Site Slogan</title>
</head>
<body>

</body>
</html>
Now this is just one I use - but by using a document type at the type it will send most browsers into 'standard mode', saving hassels. For examples http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=528569 if you read some comments about the padding messing up in Internet Explorer compared to Firefox - this is because of the box model bug in Internet Explorer, by supplying a document type it will avoid this bug; identifying the importance of a document type.

Again, I don't to fiddle while everthing's working well but thanks for the tip also :). +rep if I can.

Johno

14-11-2008, 01:00 PM

Here are a few things that might help :)

http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/11/13/how-to-use-conditional-comments-for-better-css/

http://nettuts.com/html-css-techniques/weekend-quick-tip-create-your-own-resetcss-file/

http://cssforlunch.com/

Hope it helps!

Malachy

14-11-2008, 01:03 PM

I still use IE, I like it.

AgnesIO

14-11-2008, 01:19 PM

The way to combat it is to sue Microsoft for being Microsoft and throw Granny Smiths at them until they get the message.

Bit of a waste of her apples isnt it?

Jackboy

14-11-2008, 06:02 PM

Microsoft aren't stupid..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT

Althought i dislike internet explorer as well, but i learnt to deal with it.

wazup999

14-11-2008, 09:05 PM

Lol I also dislike IE. When i was 12 and under I thought it was good because it was the only browser I ever used. But then because of viruses and spyware IE was being really slow so I downloaded firefox and I've been in love ever since. I think Firefox is a lot better because I can do some things that IE can't do.

So at school I just bring my portable version on my usb :D lol

I've never had a problem coding a webpage with firefox but IE usually will mess it up.

This was my pointless post,
Ownage ;]

H0BJ0B

14-11-2008, 09:32 PM

Firefox is crap.
Opera is crap.
Safari is crap.
GoogleChrome is crap.

Internet Explorer until I die!

Snex

15-11-2008, 10:31 AM

No Microsoft aren't stupid as if they spent all there time bothered about IE then they wont make any money as it's free anyway. These might aswell be working on the next OS or working on new programs which they are going to charge for gaining them extra revenue resulting in them gaining what they want - money.

Yonder

15-11-2008, 12:12 PM

Use different stylesheets for ie and other browsers.

Calabrian

15-11-2008, 12:13 PM

Microsoft arent stupid

:D

GommeInc

15-11-2008, 12:23 PM

It's weird. Firefox randomly stops loading pages since I got Vista (I'm shocked....a product problem on Vista:O). Now I'm forced to use Google Chrome, it's decent I suppose.
I would like to know what's wrong with your Vista :P You're the only person I know with these many issues :P

I would like to know what and why they think IE needs to be slow and powerless. It seems to load really slowly for me (the program, not websites) and it just seems cheap. Can't they take a page out of the books of one of the other browsers and just design a decent browser which won't be an excuse to get another browser?

HabbDance

15-11-2008, 12:37 PM

I would like to know what's wrong with your Vista :P You're the only person I know with these many issues :P

I would like to know what and why they think IE needs to be slow and powerless. It seems to load really slowly for me (the program, not websites) and it just seems cheap. Can't they take a page out of the books of one of the other browsers and just design a decent browser which won't be an excuse to get another browser?
My vista always freezes, and for some reason i can't get firefox on it, and it has no viruses.

Flisker

15-11-2008, 01:06 PM

my firefox is fine and also IE is just pure slow at loading up. then it takes 2 years to load the tabs then it takes another year to close one tab then it will start working fast-ish. So I have given up on IE, I only use Firefox now.

Awfy

15-11-2008, 05:24 PM

Internet Explorer 6, 7 and 8 all break the standards of code rendering on web browsers. The funny thing is Microsoft had part in making the standards then decide they're above the agreement and make up their own minds. If the web standards were stricter then Microsoft could lose the ability to have Internet Explorer installed on all Windows machines as default. Lets hope before the final release of 8 they buckle up their ideas and make everyone on IE 6 at least upgrade. If the user so wishes for IE 6 back then they need to understand that web developers aren't willing to develop for such pathetic browsers.

My piece, done.

L?KE

15-11-2008, 07:08 PM

Agnostic Bear

16-11-2008, 10:44 AM

Internet Explorer EIGHT

L?KE

16-11-2008, 11:15 AM

Lol ? :S

Blinger1

16-11-2008, 11:26 AM

I was just thinking that :eusa_whis

I hate IE6. You can't even have tabs can you? *puke*

That is like saying "I hate Firefox 1. You can't even have tabs" :rolleyes:

L?KE

16-11-2008, 11:30 AM

Yes, it is. Congratulations :)

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