Habbo background = rip!!

[.red-bleu.]

The salloon house
The habbo background:
http://img1.cdn1.habbo.com/c_images/backgrounds2/bg_ol_far_west.gif


A alternation made by reinout--d a long time ago


http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1082/18cowboynederzettingwj5.png

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[shizzle]

Who ripped it?

[Rapidshare]

The salloon house
The habbo background:
http://img1.cdn1.habbo.com/c_images/backgrounds2/bg_ol_far_west.gif


A alternation made by reinout--d a long time ago
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1082/18cowboynederzettingwj5.png

You call that a rip? :rolleyes:

[.red-bleu.]

You call that a rip? :rolleyes:
eeeeh??? The alt was made before the background was made

[AgnesIO]

They look nothing nothing a like?

[PriceTags]

They look nothing nothing a like?

We're looking at the identical saloon buildings.

[AgnesIO]

We're looking at the identical saloon buildings.


ahhhh.

Still to be fair, habbo have copyright over the image sooo :D

[user130523]

ahhhh.

Still to be fair, habbo have copyright over the image sooo :D
He designed it way before habbo made background so they have no copyright since he designed from scratch.

[AgnesIO]

He designed it way before habbo made background so they have no copyright since he designed from scratch.


Sorry.

I seem to be able to see habbo's on the picture.

If HABBO's are on the picture, HABBO have copyright over it.

[Habtopia]

Sorry.

I seem to be able to see habbo's on the picture.

If HABBO's are on the picture, HABBO have copyright over it.

only over the habbos.... he could have a seperate picture of the saloon on its own meaning they have no copywrite over it

[AgnesIO]

only over the habbos.... he could have a seperate picture of the saloon on its own meaning they have no copywrite over it


Yes but if habbo took it from the alt, then they have copyright over the image.

Anyway if people are that bothered about it being 'ripped' then habbo could say the same arguement, and claim you 'ripped' the habbos.

[jackass]

Yes but if habbo took it from the alt, then they have copyright over the image.

Anyway if people are that bothered about it being 'ripped' then habbo could say the same arguement, and claim you 'ripped' the habbos.

Habbo are using it for profit though, unlike alt artists.

[Laurensh1]

Habbo are using it for profit though, unlike alt artists.
The background was not on sale ;)

Even though, if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from Habbo on it, they own it...

[Sulai]

there are similarities... but dont habbo have the rite to do this?

[Captain]

It isn't EXACTLY the same is it? There are quite a few differences and I like the official Habbo one better anyway. Even if they did 'rip' it, what's the alt artist going to do? Take them to court? :rolleyes:

[ElliottThompson]

well habbo definately ripped that saloon building!

[Kyle]

the building is smaller

[toxic]

Yeah, are those donkey's from scratch or are they stickers/used before on habbo? Because those are also the same.

Is the guy/girl who made it still around? They could have at least asked to use their work, the saloon has no Habbo logo or anything Habbo related on it so unless the guy/girl submitted it to them or gave them permission to use it then they shouldn't be using it.


The background was not on sale ;)

Even though, if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from Habbo on it, they own it...

The Background might not be on sale but it is promoting/advertising something that will profit them (an event it might advertise which will end in people buying furni for the event or a product it might be selling), they don't own all of the images used and didn't create it all, it's as justified as the guy/girl who made the alt to go copyright the saloon and then using the whole alteration (with habbo's pics) to advertise w/e products he wishes to sell, because he owns copyright to the saloon.

About the "if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from habbo on it, they own it" comment;

If a guy had a McDonald's "Ronald Mcdonald" character on his burger stand, that doesn't mean McDonald's then own the burger stand. The only right they have is to make him take the logo/character down from his stand and sue his ass for any profit he's made since using it.

[iJoe]

How do you know habbo haven't contacted the person who made it and asked could they use it?

Really, habbo have ownership over it coz its habbo

[Casual]

What so if i wrote habbo on someone sulake would own them? :rolleyes:

[Laurensh1]

About the "if you make anything that looks like Habbo or you use stuff from habbo on it, they own it" comment;

If a guy had a McDonald's "Ronald Mcdonald" character on his burger stand, that doesn't mean McDonald's then own the burger stand. The only right they have is to make him take the logo/character down from his stand and sue his ass for any profit he's made since using it.
Simply, that's something else... If you post it, add Habbo stuff in it, they own it.

[AgnesIO]

Yeah, are those donkey's from scratch or are they stickers/used before on habbo? Because those are also the same.

Is the guy/girl who made it still around? They could have at least asked to use their work, the saloon has no Habbo logo or anything Habbo related on it so unless the guy/girl submitted it to them or gave them permission to use it then they shouldn't be using it.


why bother?

The alt has habbos on therefore the image is copyright to habbo.

END OF.

[toxic]

why bother?

The alt has habbos on therefore the image is copyright to habbo.

END OF.

Just because you put 'END OF' in capitals doesn't mean it's the end of something or that your point is valid.

Something can not be copyrighted on the basis that it has something copyrighted on or with-in it.

On your basis; If i was to go take a picture of myself wearing an 'aero bar' costume.. (not that i have done.. :eusa_whis..) the picture of myself would then be copyright of nestle and they would then have complete permission to go use the picture of me in anyway they wish?.. No, of course they wouldn't.

They didn't own the picture of the saloon just because it had habbos around it, if that was the case then tons of companies would be chucking their logo on anything they wish.

I Think the only other person who realises the same point as me is Beamer185.

Anyway, it's not like the guy/girl will sue but if they didn't ask for permission i think it's a bit low of them (not that we have any evidence they didn't ask).

[AgnesIO]

Just because you put 'END OF' in capitals doesn't mean it's the end of something or that your point is valid.

Something can not be copyrighted on the basis that it has something copyrighted on or with-in it.

On your basis; If i was to go take a picture of myself wearing an 'aero bar' costume.. (not that i have done.. :eusa_whis..) the picture of myself would then be copyright of nestle and they would then have complete permission to go use the picture of me in anyway they wish?.. No, of course they wouldn't.

They didn't own the picture of the saloon just because it had habbos around it, if that was the case then tons of companies would be chucking their logo on anything they wish.

I Think the only other person who realises the same point as me is Beamer185.

Anyway, it's not like the guy/girl will sue but if they didn't ask for permission i think it's a bit low of them (not that we have any evidence they didn't ask).


The picture has habbos on it, it makes no difference if habbo stole it.

If habbo want, they can demand that the creator removed the pictures of habbos.

[toxic]

The picture has habbos on it, it makes no difference if habbo stole it.

If habbo want, they can demand that the creator removed the pictures of habbos.

Of course it makes a difference.

Yeah, i did previously state that habbo would be able to make the creator remove pictures of habbos, but that's about as much legal rights that they do have, they would only have further rights if the creator used the alteration for advertisement or profit, which would be in the rights of sue'ing the creator.

[Ajthedragon]

As long as there are habbos in it sulake own it.

[AgnesIO]

As long as there are habbos in it sulake own it.


Exactly.


Of course it makes a difference.

Yeah, i did previously state that habbo would be able to make the creator remove pictures of habbos, but that's about as much legal rights that they do have, they would only have further rights if the creator used the alteration for advertisement or profit, which would be in the rights of sue'ing the creator.

Well can you show me where the creator put copyright on the image please?

Oh wait they didnt.

Therefore sulake have the most copyright voer it.

[Verrou]

I'm sure i've seen some other parts of that background before??

[Hiro]

Either way Reinout's is better.

[Zolifer]

May i point out that they are not identical, as the building on the background is diffrent in size?

The designer made smaller version.

[toxic]

Exactly.



Well can you show me where the creator put copyright on the image please?

Oh wait they didnt.

Therefore sulake have the most copyright voer it.

Just shows how much knowledge you have on the point you are trying to argue against.

Under Copyright prevention laws nothing needs to have "Copyrighted by blah blah [date] - [date]" on it to be Copyrighted or have to go through any legal procedure to be Copyrighted, the right to copy is to the person(s) who originally created it. People usually put "Copyrighted" to strengthen it but it is not legally needed.

That is different from a patent or a trademark btw, which i'm sure would need it.

[Hazza]

They've changed the image, made it smaller, made different windows, therefore its not as rip.

[TopManTim]

What so if i wrote habbo on someone sulake would own them? :rolleyes:


no seen as a person isn't an alt....

[Typoh]

No being funny but who cares? if anything be pleased that Habbo think your work is good enough to use.
You never know they might try to employ the origanaly.

[AgnesIO]

No being funny but who cares? if anything be pleased that Habbo think your work is good enough to use.
You never know they might try to employ the origanaly.


Exactly.

[e5]

Look entirely different to me.

[Kyle]

Since they have changed it alot, it is technically theirs. So you're saying if you made a habbo alt of a house, then habbo released a background with a house in, they have stolen your work?

REINOUT--D could have given them permissions to "use" his alt for all you know, and even if he didn't... They didn't give him permission to put habbos in his alt. They haven't told him to remove the habbos, and reinout hasnt asked them to remove their slightly similar building, therefore it does not matter.

[alv4]

Are similar..
but nothing...

[Black_Apalachi]

I remember a while back, there was something like this about a horse or donkey or something that Roboevil made. (Lol at him being held at gun point in the image :P).



Sorry.

I seem to be able to see habbo's on the picture.

If HABBO's are on the picture, HABBO have copyright over it.

I've often wondered about that. What if you open up MS Paint, and start creating an image completely 100% from sctatch (i.e.: nothing is copied & pasted, you just draw), then you end up with what looks like a "Habbo Alteration".

Firstly, it wouldn't be an "alteration" as nothing's been alterted if you've just created something, but my main point is, who says what a "Habbo" is? I know I may sound stupid here, but techinically, there's the possibility that an image could be randomly drawn in MS Paint that resembles the image of a Habbo, but what's the techinical definition of a "Habbo"?

And also, if you made an "alteration" like the image in question but with no actual Habbo characters, (so just buildings etc), would Sulake still have the right to claim copyright over that?

I just think it would make an interesting debate :).


Just shows how much knowledge you have on the point you are trying to argue against.

Under Copyright prevention laws nothing needs to have "Copyrighted by blah blah [date] - [date]" on it to be Copyrighted or have to go through any legal procedure to be Copyrighted, the right to copy is to the person(s) who originally created it. People usually put "Copyrighted" to strengthen it but it is not legally needed.

That is different from a patent or a trademark btw, which i'm sure would need it.

Nicely explained, +rep :).

[Trinity]

And also, if you made an "alteration" like the image in question but with no actual Habbo characters, (so just buildings etc), would Sulake still have the right to claim copyright over that?

I just think it would make an interesting debate :).

Well it wouldn't really be a debate, it would be a simple answer, no.
If the created image has absolutely no reference to habbo, then Sulake have no rights over it at all, they don't own all pixel art.

[Black_Apalachi]

Well it wouldn't really be a debate, it would be a simple answer, no.
If the created image has absolutely no reference to habbo, then Sulake have no rights over it at all, they don't own all pixel art.

Well obviously :rolleyes:. My post was asking about pixrl art that looks like Habbo charcters/objects without being actually copied and pasted.

[Livv]

All you guys are wrong [well, most of them]

No, just because the Saloon is smaller, doesn't mean its not the same. Say we go look at a picture on photobucket or imageshack. Its small but when you click it, it gets bigger.
Thats probably what they've done. [I can't think of another explanation, cropping it would get the pixels weird.]

And Sulake stole Hank Mccoy's habbo-abs, why wouldn't they steal anything else?
They know they can get away with it. If Sulake DID steal the saloon without recognising reinout for it, then they can get in trouble. Even if he used some of sulake's stuff, they're allowed to. They're not allowed to steal alts, however.

[HighFlight]

Since they have changed it alot, it is technically theirs. So you're saying if you made a habbo alt of a house, then habbo released a background with a house in, they have stolen your work?

REINOUT--D could have given them permissions to "use" his alt for all you know, and even if he didn't... They didn't give him permission to put habbos in his alt. They haven't told him to remove the habbos, and reinout hasnt asked them to remove their slightly similar building, therefore it does not matter.

They made it bigger...

That is like be getting the HABBO logo and stretching and saying it's mine.


No one knows if Sulake haven't hired this person as graphics staff for them..
Or even purchased the item from him.

Just because the building is in with other Habbo images doesn't make it Sulake's property.

E.g: If I opened paint and put a Habbo room in there then C+P a coke cola bottle in there Habbo wouldn't own the coka cola bottle.

Exactly, so unless Habbo have had permission to use the image OR the image belonged to them before he used it they have ripped it.

[Ardemax]

Reniout--D or whatever his/her name is, didn't they work with habbo on a few things? Maybe they gave them the picture.
Maybe Habbo didn't use it until now.
Besides, who actually cares.

[Reinout--D]

I'm just one person, not a group man:P
And the ripped me off :O

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[Special]

probably said before, but in the t&c's habbo says something like they can use all images that look like habbo or something lol