Israel's Ground Forces Enter Gaza

[ArcD]

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak says the campaign against Gaza's Hamas rulers "won't be short" or easy.

He spoke shortly after Israeli tanks and infantry rolled into Gaza after nightfall, launching a ground invasion that escalated the week-old offensive against the Islamic militants.

The campaign "won't be easy and it won't be short," Barak said.

Flames rose in the night sky from a Gaza target hit by an Israeli missile strike as the ground invasion got under way.
This pretty much means a lot more people are going to begin losing their lives :(

[Dentafrice]

Just been watching it on Fox.

Go Israel!

[--ss--]

Tbh I hope they fail and the hamas soldiers still survive.
It was never upto the UN to split palestine into two to make seperate states, should of left it the way it was with it being mixed, I believe them segregating the arabs and jews to each of their own sides is what caused all the hatred in the first place. Blame it all on the US.

[iAdam]

But Britain followed the US because frankly America won't let it go that they maybe saved us in WW2.

[FlyingJesus]

As Shane said, the land should never have been stolen in the first place. Sorry America, but I'm rooting for the Hamas here.

Also Britain aren't really a part of this and WW2 has nothing to do with our current politics :S

[iAdam]

I know it doesn't But fact is, we are still paying for it and America still holds it against us.

[efq]

Im for Hamas for the same reasons above

[Technologic]

Hamas is annoying child continuously poking isreal in the face. Isreal says stop it, hamas continues. Isreal gets pissed and punches hamas in face.

[Dentafrice]

Hamas is annoying child continuously poking isreal in the face. Isreal says stop it, hamas continues. Isreal gets pissed and punches hamas in face.
That's the way it should be.

[FlyingJesus]

Israel is a thieving bodybuilder continuously stealing Hamas' lunch at the whims of the US. Hamas says stop it, Israel continues. Hamas gets pissed and buys a lunchbox with a padlock.

[Technologic]

In all honest Isreal overreacted way too much, cutting food supplies off for the past two years is sick tbh so no wonder hamas got pissed off

Edit: Just for reference my last post was sarcastic

[ArcD]

I came back from Israel three days ago. This isn't Hamas being pissed off. The media is being so biiased. Israel has had enough of the Rocket attacks from the Palestinians for the past eight years, so they have launched this offense.

[FlyingJesus]

Yeah and I'm sure the Palestinians attacking in the first place was completely without any valid reason such as their land being stolen to populate people they weren't even friendly with

[Technologic]

2 months ago Isreal killed 6 Palestinians on the border.. Hamas got pissed

[ArcD]

Their land wasn't stolen.... the history of that land goes back thousands of years... You can't start it at the 90s when it goes back much farther then that.

[Technologic]

o_o Wth. Dude just got bombed live on bbc news

[Invent]

o_o Wth. Dude just got bombed live on bbc news

What? o_O..

[DaveTaylor]

*rubs hands together*

Lets get this clear, my grandparents are currently stuck in a bomb shelter due to the hamas rockets hitting israel, they haven't been able to come out in 3 days due to the rockets. Israel warned hamas 6 months ago about the attacks when the seize fire was agreed since then they have been regrouping arms. Israel have finally cracked, they have lasted a very long time and now they have finally blown the lid you could say. Hamas rockets are also iranian origin which makes the situation more complicated as now they have to sort out that issue aswell. The problem with the news here is it's one sided, but someone they have been reporting that Israel is actually warning folk this time and that hamas are hitting israel back, which for the news is very very rare.


If you want to hear what happening to israel aswell read:
http://www.haaretz.com/

[FlyingJesus]

Their land wasn't stolen.... the history of that land goes back thousands of years... You can't start it at the 90s when it goes back much farther then that.

So a Biblical land claim makes sense in modern times? The Muslims and the Christians also have historical claims on the place, you can't possibly say that's a valid reason for America to suddenly state that Jerusalem and the surrounding area now belongs to the Jewish Nation of Israel when it was already inhabited by Palestine.

[Technologic]

What? o_O..

They were talking to a guy on the phone and his house got bombed, he was okay though

[ArcD]

I am not saying it is totally valid, but you can't just cap it off at a certain year and say whoever owns it there owns it. Israel got the land after the Holocaust because the world felt bad for them.
I 110% agree with what DaveTaylor said. Summed it up quite well.

[FlyingJesus]

Ok but if America wanted to give them land, give them some of their own, don't steal it from Palestine. There wouldn't be these problems now if Palestine hadn't been forced to give it up like they were.

Imagine someone you really don't like. Then imagine an entire country's worth of them, and think about how you'd feel if you were forced out of your home so that they could live there.

[Dentafrice]

Ok but if America wanted to give them land, give them some of their own, don't steal it from Palestine. There wouldn't be these problems now if Palestine hadn't been forced to give it up like they were.

Imagine someone you really don't like. Then imagine an entire country's worth of them, and think about how you'd feel if you were forced out of your home so that they could live there.
It's not America's job to give them land.. we don't own it, so what gives us the right to distribute the land?

If we're to give land to Israel of 'their own'.. it's going to be taking land from someone else.. what gives us the right to take land from someone else, to give it to them?

Either way.. to give someone else more land, you have to give them some of yours.. or take someone else's.

[FlyingJesus]

Precisely, so either way it's stolen land :S that doesn't change anything at all

[DaveTaylor]

*rubs hands together*

Lets get this clear, my grandparents are currently stuck in a bomb shelter due to the hamas rockets hitting israel, they haven't been able to come out in 3 days due to the rockets. Israel warned hamas 6 months ago about the attacks when the seize fire was agreed since then they have been regrouping arms. Israel have finally cracked, they have lasted a very long time and now they have finally blown the lid you could say. Hamas rockets are also iranian origin which makes the situation more complicated as now they have to sort out that issue aswell. The problem with the news here is it's one sided, but someone they have been reporting that Israel is actually warning folk this time and that hamas are hitting israel back, which for the news is very very rare.


If you want to hear what happening to israel aswell read:
http://www.haaretz.com/

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[FlyingJesus]

And that has exactly what to do with the legitimacy of Israel even being a nation in the first place?

[DaveTaylor]

http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=idfnadesk&view=videos

[Jamie!]

You know what's gunna happen - there'll be a war for a week or two, then a ephermeral peace treaty before it happens again and again... etc. Both are just hell bent on killing each other. Can you honestly see these Hamas rocket attacks stopping if Israel retreat and stop all this oppression? Nah, me neither.

Ahm-whatshisname from Iran was 100% right when he said that the region did not deserve to recieve a Zionist state on it's doorstep because of the atrocities occuring in the Western World.

[ArcD]

It's not stolen land......... sorry :/
Israel deserved it. It was theirs in the old days too.
Every year they are getting closer and closer to splitting it between Israelis and Palestinians.
The question is will it ever OFFICIALLY happen?
Look what happens when Palestinians get a piece of a land (Gaza).

[FlyingJesus]

How was it not stolen land? It was owned by Palestine and got taken from them, that is stealing. I'm not disputing that once Jerusalem was occupied by the Jews, but it's like saying we could go claim America as a colony of Britain because we used to own it.

[Dentafrice]

How was it not stolen land? It was owned by Palestine and got taken from them, that is stealing. I'm not disputing that once Jerusalem was occupied by the Jews, but it's like saying we could go claim America as a colony of Britain because we used to own it.
Yeah, but when you tried to claim it, we blew your heads off in the Revolutionary war, and declared our independence as a new country.

So try and claim it then? Repeat of history?

The thing is.. it's not going to work.

Israel is just tired of being shot at.. and they're finally shooting back.

[FlyingJesus]

That's not the point at all, and the War of Independence was us getting booted out not trying to take over so it doesn't quite fit. The point was that the land shouldn't have been taken in the first place, and your reply actually strengthens my reasoning - if England did for some reason attempt to take over one of the old colonies and claim ancestry, they'd fight back. Why then is Palestine being viewed as the bad lot for doing just that when half their country was taken from them?

[Jordy]

It's not stolen land......... sorry :/
Israel deserved it. It was theirs in the old days too.
Every year they are getting closer and closer to splitting it between Israelis and Palestinians.
The question is will it ever OFFICIALLY happen?
Look what happens when Palestinians get a piece of a land (Gaza).Deserved it? When does deserving ever come into life? We could say Luxembourg is doing excellent, it has low-crime rates and everyone in the country is very rich, perhaps we should give them a bit of Belgium as a congratulations for their success's, it's well deserved.

Frankly I don't know why the Israeli's ever gave up Gaza, just why? It's 3-4 years wasted, they sort of give them the land and now they just want it back, at the cost of the people of Gaza. I was reading recently that Hamas is governed by around 500 people with PhDs, most of them who earned with docterates in the UK, the political party is one of the most intelligent in the world and for the whole peaceful, if you ever read the news closely it's not Hamas doing the rocket attacks, it's simply happening within Gaza but Hamas aren't stopping them, that's the main problem. Hamas has been great for Gaza, although Poverty is still incredibly high, they've brought peace within Gaza, there's no more corruption or gunmen in the streets and they've tried their hardest to get their appearance up in the West, but just today George W Bush labels them terrorists yet again. This has just unravlled the past 2 years hard-work by Hamas and the region will probably disappear and their work will most probably be lost.

btw Britain are as much to blame as the US, we were involved in the splitting up of it before WWII and ourselves and the US have funded Fatah in recent times to drive Hamas out of Gaza. Not to mention the US have regularly supplemented Israel with weapons and then sold them to Saudi Arabia who want to compete with Israel, American businesses do great out the conflicts.

[Technologic]

The only reason America supports Israel is because they're attack an Islamic country....

[Jordy]

The only reason America supports Israel is because they're attack an Islamic country....Not at all, they've funded Israel way before America was attacked by Al Qaeda and then hated Islam. It's simply their way of having affluence in the region but the main thing is that there's a hell of a lot of Jews in America so it's almost their duty to maintain the Jewish homeland they feel.

[ArcD]

Yes Jordy, they deserve it.
They gave up Gaza 'to help the peace process', whether or not that worked, is unclear.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that wants to destroy Israel.... they haven't brought Peace, and they are not going to bring it anytime soon.
Israel was tired of being fired at for eight years, so they have launched an attack.
I was hoping it would be over soon, but they just sent in Ground Forces which means more people will be dieing on both sides.

[5,5]

I know it doesn't But fact is, we are still paying for it and America still holds it against us.
You guys owe us one ;)

Go jews :)

[efq]

Hamas have captured to Israeli soldiers just now, Skynews breaking news.
Israeli deep inside gaza strip.

[Virgin Mary]

what did they expect when they put two extreme religions together?

[--ss--]

Face it, Isreal only came into existance as the Western world didn't like Jewish people living in their land so they got rid of them by stealing land off the Arabs and bullying them into their own side. This was even before the holocast happened in the 2nd world war. The Palestinians are trying to fight back and regain their stolen land as they are getting bullied into staying on their side without any technology, food or aid. The only reason America are backing Isreal is because they are one of the main reasons to blame for all of the hatred in the middle East. It is clear that the Americans were always racist towards the Jews in the 1910's/20's when they started migrating in from eastern europe to seek fortune, they didn't like it so they got rid of all the Jews by giving them their so called "own land". Now that the US are over the Jew hatred and on a Islam hatred phase they are backing Isreal to get rid of the Muslims.

[DaveTaylor]

If Israel wanted to get rid of the whole of gaza which is what some folk are claiming around forums they would probably just nuke them.

[ArcD]

If Israel wanted to get rid of the whole of gaza which is what some folk are claiming around forums they would probably just nuke them.
Yeah... but Israel doesn't care what we have to say and shouldn't. And the folk around forums mostly know nothing about the situation. And to ss, it's not stolen land.... sorry. It more had to do with the eastern world after the Holocaust.

[FlyingJesus]

If Israel wanted to get rid of the whole of gaza which is what some folk are claiming around forums they would probably just nuke them.

Where are you getting that from :S no-one's said that at all, you're just dodging having to face up to facts, I'm sorry.


Yeah... but Israel doesn't care what we have to say and shouldn't. And the folk around forums mostly know nothing about the situation. And to ss, it's not stolen land.... sorry. It more had to do with the eastern world after the Holocaust.

Can you SERIOUSLY not read? If you can give me a reason why the land belongs to a particular religious group (not even a country in exile, as Israel hadn't been a country for centuries) and why it's justified that the land was wrested from Palestine, then I'll consider your input as useful. Currently however you're just repeating yourself with no backup.

[Technologic]

Once again the USA shows it's skills as a peacekeeper by blocking calls by other countries for a ceasefire...

[JackBuddy]

I'm sure the American deserts and the northern stretch of Alaska are pretty under-populated...

edit:
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[ArcD]

FlyingJesus....
First you should know that the land was not 100% Palestinian when it was owned by Palestine. There were a lot of Jewish people there.
ONE of the reasons the land was given to the Israelis was because of the Holocaust. We all know that.
I may be repeating myself, but it is true, you cannot just jump to a certain date, stop there, and point that the land belongs to a certain group. It goes back a long time.

[FlyingJesus]

The Holocaust had nothing to do with the Palestinians though, and yeah there were Jews living there but there were Jews in most of Europe and North America too, if them living there is reason to give them the country then why not give them Croatia or somewhere like that? I'm sure it had nothing to do with gaining a Western ally in the East...

[Virgin Mary]

American-indians lived in America first so why doesn't George Bush give them their land back and move to mcdonalds in ireland or w.e. americans came from?

[ArcD]

Exactly Virgin Mary. FlyingJesus, it is more complicated then that, and has happened in many other areas countless times. People arrive to someone else's land, kick them out, and take over. The argument goes both ways.
For eight years, certain Palestinians have been launching rockets at Israel. Israel is sick of this, and is trying to put an end to it.

Edited by Wayne (Forum Super Moderator) Posts merged due to lag.

[alexxxxx]

Why do the USA give Israel Aid! THEY BREAK UN TREATIES AND AGREEMENTS! THE USA BLOCK UN CALLS FOR CEASEFIRES! The amount of people who have been killed by Hamas (or other groups) rockets is NOTHING compared to the amount of civillians killed in air-raids. Why do you support Israel Dentafrice?

They have slowly been eating away at the Arab's lands for years and years on end. Gaza is a TINY place, and is the largest open air prison. Of course the Hamas (who were ELECTED, as they are the voice of the people) live amongst the people, (it's that small). Everything is controlled by the israelies, their water, imports, electricity, everything! You would be pissed off too! It isn't right that the Gaza people have to suffer.

Today the Israelies bombed a UN-run school. A UN-RUN SCHOOL. The Israelies wouldn't be ablem to do this in any way if they weren't aided by the USA so much.

I'm not anti-jew but I think the way israel was created and it's illegal expansion is disgusting. Of course rocket fire is not a good way to try to solve anything, but if the INTNTL community can't find a way for the two states to live in peace, then that's terrible.

Read this - http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html

A letter which explains some things about how the arabs felt when Israel was founded (note the date), but the sentiment and the feeling i guess is the same today.

[DaveTaylor]

Ok as you all are aware I will always stick up for israel but to be honest, hitting that school, that hurt me.

[ArcD]

Alexxx...... the USA gives Palestinians aid too. They just pledged to give about 80 million to them last week.

[efq]

Wow anyone supporting Israel after that school hit should be shot.

[DaveTaylor]

Wow anyone supporting Israel after that school hit should be shot.

****, please read,
Regards,
David



At least 30 people were reportedly killed and 53 wounded in an explosion in a UN-run school in the town of Jabalya in the northern Gaza Strip, according to Palestinians.

The Israel Defense Forces issued a statement saying the school grounds were used by terrorists to fire mortar shells at the troops. According to the IDF, among the dead were members of a Hamas launching cell, including operatives Immad Abu Askar and Hassan Abu Askar.

The infantrymen returned mortar shell fire into the school grounds, the army said. Defense officials told The Associated Press that booby-trapped bombs in the school triggered the secondary explosions which killed scores of Palestinians on the site.

The IDF released a video taken by a UAV in the end of 2007 showing terrorists firing mortar shells from right outside the school.

"Hamas has in the past fired at Israel and at troops from inside schools, cynically using civilians, as is proven by UAV footage," the army said.

[efq]

There was still young children, terrorist inside or not, you do not go bombing near a school. Countrys can be pretty sick at times. Atleast both allowed 3 hours of cease fire will aids came in, some good for once.

[BeanEgg]

The UN even gave co-ordinates to Israel, and they still fired and innocent kids.

Who the hell is that stupid? The US supposedly trained Israel and yet they make continuous mistakes?

Israel has no land, they are savage and cruel.

Hamas obviously cannot control his own people, so even if he tried to stop, and call a cease-fire the Israeli's wouldn't.

To sum up, God bless Palestine and Hamas.

Israel, go rot.

Feel free to -Rep. I stand by what I believe.

[efq]

The UN even gave co-ordinates to Israel, and they still fired and innocent kids.

Who the hell is that stupid? The US supposedly trained Israel and yet they make continuous mistakes?

Israel has no land, they are savage and cruel.

Hamas obviously cannot control his own people, so even if he tried to stop, and call a cease-fire the Israeli's wouldn't.

To sum up, God bless Palestine and Hamas.

Israel, go rot.

Feel free to -Rep. I stand by what I believe.
+Rep because I agree with all of that, Israel storm the Gaza strip and in under 3 days they hit children? They can **** off because thats on big mistake in my books if they want any relationship with any country. For that I will NEVER like Israel again, they can do something good though and get the **** out of there and live with being the losers all the time.

Edit: Gotta spread rep first!

[ArcD]

Don't be ignorant. The Palestinians hit an Israeli school just last week.

[PaintYourTarget]

http://blogs.abcnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/23/rt_hamas_070423_nr.jpg
Because Hamas don't target the innocent...

And Nad1, I saw that too. Luckily it was empty.

[Dentafrice]

Personally.. if there are 32 Hamas people inside of a school, shooting missiles out at us.. and 10 kids are killed.. I'm not going to feel as bad about it.

We just took out 32 bad guys. Yeah, some innocent people had to be sacrificed.. but those 32 Hamas people were a big threat, and if they were not taken out.. even more lives would be taken.

[ArcD]

The media is so biaased in favor of the Palestinians.
Just so all of you know, Israel wasn't snatched from the palestinians. Palestine was a land with no government and a minimal amount of people. Yes, I agree that Gaza and the Palestinian part of Jerusalem should not have been occupied by Israel.
Also, why isn't Hamas focusing on building bomb shelters for their people, rather then building bombs.

[Eddolyn]

Alright, yes I'm new to this forum and specifically for this topic.

I must say I'm disgusted to see some of the responses here. For a great amount of time now, Israel has been 'abused' (you can take that term however you like) by everyone surrounding Israel. Mostly the palestinians. Imagine living in a country surrounded by enemies..

Israel has been getting bombed, or mistreated or however you want to call it, for a great amount of time now..and it's about damn time they fought back. Yes the land was given to Jews by the UN..get over it. Move on with your life, and stick with whats happening NOW. America did the same with the indians, and people seem to ignore that fact. Great Britain used to have an expansion over the entire world, but nobody complained unless it happened to your country. But no, you only feel that Israel doesn't deserve it's land because it was given to us by the UN? I've got some news for you guys, that land would have become Israel whether it would be by force or not. There would have been a much greater war if that hadn't happened. Not to mention that the land was ORIGINALLY for Jew's, yes because of the history.

Half of you don't even know the history. I can sit here and name each country/civilization that has ever attacked Israel/Jews. The amount of heartbreak Jews have faced throughout history is the disgusting crime. It's about time as I said before, that Israel does something. Israel has given countless warnings and peace treaty's, but they kept saying no. Why in gods name would you ever support someone who is anti-peace? Yes, I'm not proud when Israel bombed the school, but wake up to reality, that's war. Palestinians have done the same things more then once.

And yes America supports Israel..and yes it's a clear and valid reason to do what Israel is doing now. They've got the support of one of the strongest country's in the world.

To some responses I saw..Tecnologic: Israel overreacted? Imagine the jewish people being captures over 20 times, having to move to different countries every century. When a country was finally GIVEN to us, we make the nice gesture of giving GAZA BACK TO THEM. And what do they do? Exactly was terrorists do, torture for more. I'm sorry, compared to what we're doing now, is nothing to what they've done in the past.

LOL..FlyingJesus..most of your posts made me laugh :).
"Imagine someone you really don't like. Then imagine an entire country's worth of them, and think about how you'd feel if you were forced out of your home so that they could live there."

Like I've said before, imagine a whole civilization having to move and getting captured more then 20 times by 20 different groups of people..I won't repeat everything I said, just read the above again.

This is all I'm gonna post for now..I'll wait for more responses.

[efq]

Their turning to Hilters but NOT one reason gives ANY country priority to endanger children on purpose, don't say it was a accident because it wasn't. They knew a school was right next to it, do they think or care? NOT ONE BIT, you just don't do it, US wouldn't dream doing that and if they accidently would atleast they'd send troops to go help them than focusing on trying to win something you won't ever win. US Supporting Israel has lost the US alot of support. These are the countrys that don't care, thank god now Israel have finally accepted a cease fire for 3 hours every day so aid and funerals can take place. About time they did something nice.

[Virgin Mary]

Alright, yes I'm new to this forum and specifically for this topic.

I must say I'm disgusted to see some of the responses here. For a great amount of time now, Israel has been 'abused' (you can take that term however you like) by everyone surrounding Israel. Mostly the palestinians. Imagine living in a country surrounded by enemies..

Israel has been getting bombed, or mistreated or however you want to call it, for a great amount of time now..and it's about damn time they fought back. Yes the land was given to Jews by the UN..get over it. Move on with your life, and stick with whats happening NOW. America did the same with the indians, and people seem to ignore that fact. Great Britain used to have an expansion over the entire world, but nobody complained unless it happened to your country. But no, you only feel that Israel doesn't deserve it's land because it was given to us by the UN? I've got some news for you guys, that land would have become Israel whether it would be by force or not. There would have been a much greater war if that hadn't happened. Not to mention that the land was ORIGINALLY for Jew's, yes because of the history.

Half of you don't even know the history. I can sit here and name each country/civilization that has ever attacked Israel/Jews. The amount of heartbreak Jews have faced throughout history is the disgusting crime. It's about time as I said before, that Israel does something. Israel has given countless warnings and peace treaty's, but they kept saying no. Why in gods name would you ever support someone who is anti-peace? Yes, I'm not proud when Israel bombed the school, but wake up to reality, that's war. Palestinians have done the same things more then once.

And yes America supports Israel..and yes it's a clear and valid reason to do what Israel is doing now. They've got the support of one of the strongest country's in the world.

To some responses I saw..Tecnologic: Israel overreacted? Imagine the jewish people being captures over 20 times, having to move to different countries every century. When a country was finally GIVEN to us, we make the nice gesture of giving GAZA BACK TO THEM. And what do they do? Exactly was terrorists do, torture for more. I'm sorry, compared to what we're doing now, is nothing to what they've done in the past.

LOL..FlyingJesus..most of your posts made me laugh :).
"Imagine someone you really don't like. Then imagine an entire country's worth of them, and think about how you'd feel if you were forced out of your home so that they could live there."

Like I've said before, imagine a whole civilization having to move and getting captured more then 20 times by 20 different groups of people..I won't repeat everything I said, just read the above again.

This is all I'm gonna post for now..I'll wait for more responses.
When the IRA was bombing england we didn't blow up ireland.

[Geraint]

Are Hamas and Hezbollah gone in the head? "Hey, let's just attack our neighbours - a country with a great army and a country who couldn't give a **** even if they had to nuke us". It's like Wales and Scotland bombing England. Hamas will never win.

[Dentafrice]

Their turning to Hilters but NOT one reason gives ANY country priority to endanger children on purpose, don't say it was a accident because it wasn't.

Of course, because defending your country is "turning to Hitlers", I believe you need to check your history book mate, and see what Hitler actually did.

(btw, that was the SS-Totenkopfverbande that ran the concentration camps, before you reply with that).

They know it wasn't an accident.. they aimed for it.. it had Hamas people in it.. Hamas are terrorists.. sometimes you have to sacrifice civilians to take care of the bad guys whether they be men, women, or children.

You don't seem to ******* understand this, and are still stuck under their arms.. this is war, this is not about "oh, that's a child..".

Just like many a times you see children walk into a room of US soldiers with a bomb up their ass, and they blow themselves up.. "oh, that's a child..".


atleast they'd send troops to go help them than focusing on trying to win something you won't ever win.

Why the **** would we send troops in, 'to help them', when we just blew them up?

When we blow things up, we mean for there to be no survivors.. we wouldn't send troops in to help people.. we'd send troops in to confirm that our mission was a success.

Of course we'd help the civilian casualties, if there were any, if they were alive.. but we wouldn't send in troops just for that reason.. what a waste of troops.

"On something you won't ever win.." I'm sorry, but I see that quite frankly.. you're acting like an idiot.

You're just setting your opinion on what the media tells you.. and are just crying and mad because Israel hit a school full of Hamas terrorists.

Go save Bambi.


US Supporting Israel has lost the US alot of support.

The people who's "support" we have lost, we didn't really need in the first place.

We don't need people like you to support us, your government still supports us, a few countrymen may not.. like you, because they base everything they know from their TV and internet.. but that doesn't really matter to us.


These are the countrys that don't care, thank god now Israel have finally accepted a cease fire for 3 hours every day so aid and funerals can take place. About time they did something nice.

Just wait until Hamas starts firing rockets again during this 'cease fire', it won't last very long ;) and you'll be whining again.

I may not know everything in the world, or the history of everything, but that's my opinion.

[Technologic]

Israel fired upon a UN convoy killing a UN aid worker, all aid to gaza has been suspended due to this.

Go israel.

>.>

Edit: @dentafrice you really should stop watching fox news

[Dentafrice]

I don't just watch Fox News, I watch a mix between CNN, NBC, and Fox News.. Fox News always appears to be the most reliable, and I feel that it responds very closely to my conservative beliefs.

[ArcD]

Their turning to Hilters but NOT one reason gives ANY country priority to endanger children on purpose, don't say it was a accident because it wasn't. They knew a school was right next to it, do they think or care? NOT ONE BIT, you just don't do it, US wouldn't dream doing that and if they accidently would atleast they'd send troops to go help them than focusing on trying to win something you won't ever win. US Supporting Israel has lost the US alot of support. These are the countrys that don't care, thank god now Israel have finally accepted a cease fire for 3 hours every day so aid and funerals can take place. About time they did something nice.
Sorry, you're incorrect. They're not turning to hitlers. They are trying to defend their country. Hamas and Palestinians have been throwing bombs over for EIGHT YEARS! Enough is ENOUGH! Don't be a hypocrite, a Hamas shell hit Israel just last week.

[Technologic]

Israel have had gaza under siege for years, restricting food, water, electricity, supplies etc. Hamas want palestinians to move freely between israel and gaza and they got pissed so they started firing. Israel are the evil doers in this one, they seem to think that it is alright to completely wipe out a country's freely elected government that only wants the best for its people. The death toll in israel is nothing compared to gaza. Israel (and most conservative americans) seem to think that the collateral is acceptable. They seem to think that it's fine to kill people that go to work, go to school, have families just like they do as long as they 'kill the bad guys.'

[DaveTaylor]

Israel have had gaza under siege for years, restricting food, water, electricity, supplies etc. Hamas want palestinians to move freely between israel and gaza and they got pissed so they started firing. Israel are the evil doers in this one, they seem to think that it is alright to completely wipe out a country's freely elected government that only wants the best for its people. The death toll in israel is nothing compared to gaza. Israel (and most conservative americans) seem to think that the collateral is acceptable. They seem to think that it's fine to kill people that go to work, go to school, have families just like they do as long as they 'kill the bad guys.'

*** are you drunk?

[Technologic]

Imagine you're locked in a house with 20 other people, you are not allowed out, nobody is allowed in. You receive 5 loaves of bread a day and 2 gallons of water. You have 6 hours of electricity a day.

All this is controlled by somebody on the outside who lives in essential freedom.

You have a gun.

What do you do?

[DaveTaylor]

Imagine you're locked in a house with 20 other people, you are not allowed out, nobody is allowed in. You receive 5 loaves of bread a day and 2 gallons of water. You have 6 hours of electricity a day.

All this is controlled by somebody on the outside who lives in essential freedom.

You have a gun.

What do you do?

that's irrelevant, hamas want nothing to do with Israel, they want Israel to disappear into thin air.

[Technologic]

that's irrelevant, hamas want nothing to do with Israel, they want Israel to disappear into thin air.

What
would
you
do?

[FlyingJesus]

Imagine living in a country surrounded by enemies..

Everyone hates the British, just no-one attacks us.


Israel has been getting bombed, or mistreated or however you want to call it, for a great amount of time now..and it's about damn time they fought back. Yes the land was given to Jews by the UN..get over it. Move on with your life, and stick with whats happening NOW. America did the same with the indians, and people seem to ignore that fact. Great Britain used to have an expansion over the entire world, but nobody complained unless it happened to your country. But no, you only feel that Israel doesn't deserve it's land because it was given to us by the UN? I've got some news for you guys, that land would have become Israel whether it would be by force or not. There would have been a much greater war if that hadn't happened. Not to mention that the land was ORIGINALLY for Jew's, yes because of the history.

I can't believe you actually came out with "get over it" as a way of justifying Israel. That's like coming out of WW2 and saying "hey, the world's been kicking the Jews around for centuries, they need to move on with their lives, get over it, stick to what's happening now".

As for the land being theirs historically, that's only the case if you're actually religious. Yes, the Jews inhabited the area for a long time, but they took it over from others before (cf. The Torah/The Old Testament). The idea of it "belonging" to anyone is only the same as any conquered land.


Half of you don't even know the history. I can sit here and name each country/civilization that has ever attacked Israel/Jews.

You're mistaking the modern nation of Israel with the historical misdeeds done to the Israelites of old.


The amount of heartbreak Jews have faced throughout history is the disgusting crime. It's about time as I said before, that Israel does something. Israel has given countless warnings and peace treaty's, but they kept saying no.

You're right. You're ENTIRELY right. The Jews never attacked anyone in the past, right? Oh, wait... I completely forgot about that holy book full of stories of Jewish conquests and expansions, and so did you it seems. Moreover, you have forgotten the fact that it's entirely irrelevent to the situation we're actually discussing.


LOL..FlyingJesus..most of your posts made me laugh :).
"Imagine someone you really don't like. Then imagine an entire country's worth of them, and think about how you'd feel if you were forced out of your home so that they could live there."

Like I've said before, imagine a whole civilization having to move and getting captured more then 20 times by 20 different groups of people..I won't repeat everything I said, just read the above again.

Like you've said before - precisely. All you've done is repeat yourself over and over, and I've already rebutted your single reasoning.


You're just setting your opinion on what the media tells you.. and are just crying and mad because Israel hit a school full of Hamas terrorists.

like you, because they base everything they know from their TV and internet

So where do you get your opinions from? Of course we used the TV and internet, that's the entire point of the media. I don't think you can blame the school bombing for peoples' sentiments seeing as how this has been ongoing far before that.


Sorry, you're incorrect. They're not turning to hitlers. They are trying to defend their country. Hamas and Palestinians have been throwing bombs over for EIGHT YEARS! Enough is ENOUGH! Don't be a hypocrite, a Hamas shell hit Israel just last week.

I agree that the Hitler mention was not needed and made little sense, however..

Israel and the US military have been stealing land for EIGHT YEARS! Enough is ENOUGH! Don't be a hypocrite, Israel is the cause of this entire war.

[Technologic]

Anybody been watching fox news, it's amazing how ignorant they are

[Geraint]

surely people would have learnt by now that if israel have to drop the atom bomb on gaza, they will. there's no messing with the israelis.

[Jordy]

To be fair I think most of you may as well leave the topic and you're simply ****-stirring as you have no idea of history from the past century, specifically the relations between the UK & US with Israel since WWI. Some of you think that the US supporting Israel is recent? It goes back much longer than that.

I have no feeling for Israel at all and I've been supportive of Hamas for a while now but I do feel the air-strike of the school was Hamas's fault and not Israel's for once. It hasn't been looked at this way as it's easy to blame Israel for killing innocent children but Hamas knew their activists were going to be killed by Israel, the deliberately put them in a school to either deter Israel or to put shame on Israel (And it does seem to of worked) but I think it's quite clear Hamas deserve the blame here, they simply should not of go in the school, they're the one's who are sacrificing children.

Above: Please leave Atom bombs out of this, you'll be lucky-enough to never see any within your lifetime and the rest of the world would be left with no choice but to either wipe-out Israel or invade it if they dropped an Atom bomb on Gaza, bare in mind Gaza is still part of Israel and isn't a country and although they're killing people in Gaza, they're not wiping it out.

If you want to know how powerful Atom bombs are, may I suggest going here: http://www.carloslabs.com/projects/200712B/GroundZero.html

Put in a large town in Gaza such as Jibaliya and choose Hybrid mode then a bomb, although this is just a 'fun' resource, it's quite simple to see they'd hit their own country and potentially Egypt (Which would force an Arab attack on Israel).

[ArcD]

Technologic, you obviously no nothing of the situation, so you should probably go research more. Jordy, yes, Israel has been killing innocent children. But tell me this, why is Hamas putting their money into building bombs and not bomb shelters for their people. Israel has built bomb shelters because for the past EIGHT YEARS, the Palestinian government has been shooting bombs and qassam rockets and catushas (spelling?) at Israel. Israel MUST defend itself. It is sick of these attacks. Do not focus ONLY on what is now, but look at what LED up to this.

[Technologic]

Technologic, you obviously no nothing of the situation, so you should probably go research more. Jordy, yes, Israel has been killing innocent children. But tell me this, why is Hamas putting their money into building bombs and not bomb shelters for their people. Israel has built bomb shelters because for the past EIGHT YEARS, the Palestinian government has been shooting bombs and qassam rockets and catushas (spelling?) at Israel. Israel MUST defend itself. It is sick of these attacks. Do not focus ONLY on what is now, but look at what LED up to this.

Tell that to those who had their houses bulldozed

[ArcD]

Because Idiot Hamas officials were hiding in those people's houses rather then building bomb shelters for the people. No... they couldn't do that anyways because they are wasting their money on bombs. The bombs that they have been sending at Israel for 8 years now.

[alexxxxx]

I don't just watch Fox News, I watch a mix between CNN, NBC, and Fox News.. Fox News always appears to be the most reliable, and I feel that it responds very closely to my conservative beliefs.

Fox News is not reliable. It shows many programmes that are heavily biased which are opinionated and not based on fact (Bill O'Reilly for example). In this country Fox News would not be allowed to air as it would be illegally biased (we have laws in this country that try to prevent the nation being brainwashed under the banner of 'freedom')

Watching a news channel because it responds to your conservative beliefs means that your blind political beliefs alter your reality, wake up fool, the people in palestine are being throttled, choked, provoked by a larger enemy with deeper pockets (filled from other country's coffers).

You are what we europeans think of a stereotypical narrowminded, arrogant american.

[Dentafrice]

Fox News is not reliable. It shows many programmes that are heavily biased which are opinionated and not based on fact (Bill O'Reilly for example). In this country Fox News would not be allowed to air as it would be illegally biased (we have laws in this country that try to prevent the nation being brainwashed under the banner of 'freedom')

Watching a news channel because it responds to your conservative beliefs means that your blind political beliefs alter your reality, wake up fool, the people in palestine are being throttled, choked, provoked by a larger enemy with deeper pockets (filled from other country's coffers).

You are what we europeans think of a stereotypical narrowminded, arrogant american.
Congratulations, you just named very, very smart man. You just don't like Fox News because it goes against your liberal ways and ideals.

You can say Fox News is "heavily biased which are opinionated and not based on fact", yet we can say the same thing about CNN and Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff.

Either way, it doesn't matter.


You are what we europeans think of a stereotypical narrowminded, arrogant american.

No.. I'm not a "stereotypical", I'm a normal American, and thank ya! We're proud to be arrogant. That's what makes us the land of the free, and home of the brave.

[alexxxxx]

Congratulations, you just named very, very smart man. You just don't like Fox News because it goes against your liberal ways and ideals.

You can say Fox News is "heavily biased which are opinionated and not based on fact", yet we can say the same thing about CNN and Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff.

Either way, it doesn't matter.



No.. I'm not a "stereotypical", I'm a normal American, and thank ya! We're proud to be arrogant. That's what makes us the land of the free, and home of the brave.

This is what i'm talking about you tool, once news 'agrees with your viewpoint,' it is no longer news, it is that, a biased account. I have watched Fox news (we have that channel in this country, it isn't based on 'liberal media') and I find it comedic how right-wing it is. It's not because it's 'against my liberal viewpoint' - it's because it just isn't true!

[Jord]

Ive been watching the stream

[Dentafrice]

This is what i'm talking about you tool, once news 'agrees with your viewpoint,' it is no longer news, it is that, a biased account. I have watched Fox news (we have that channel in this country, it isn't based on 'liberal media') and I find it comedic how right-wing it is. It's not because it's 'against my liberal viewpoint' - it's because it just isn't true!
It is true.. I'd love for you to name something they've said that isn't true.

[alexxxxx]

http://www.jedreport.com/2008/07/fox-news-lies-a.html

[Dentafrice]

Okay then. They lied about something.

Lets look at other news networks:

http://www.google.com/search?q=bbc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=cnn+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=abc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=nbc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I could keep going on and on finding them. They all lie. It's the ******* media, what do you expect.

Every single channel is going to be biased one way or the other. It's picking which one resembles you. Far left wing, far right wing, or some are just closer to the middle then others.. just never a major. (MSNBC)

The most unbiased channel is CSPAN..

[alexxxxx]

Okay then. They lied about something.

Lets look at other news networks:

http://www.google.com/search?q=bbc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=cnn+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=abc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://www.google.com/search?q=nbc+lies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I could keep going on and on finding them. They all lie. It's the ******* media, what do you expect.

Every single channel is going to be biased one way or the other. It's picking which one resembles you. Far left wing, far right wing, or some are just closer to the middle then others.. just never a major. (MSNBC)

The most unbiased channel is CSPAN..

I was not saying channels don't lie, I was answering your question. If you know that 'all networks lie' why ask me to find one about fox?

Of course there is media biased the opposite way! But there ARE some media outlets that are less biased (Euronews is the least biased I have come across, only english thing on tv on holiday.) In this country you have to be very careful in what you say, it has to be true, and there has to opinions from both sides in a 'factualy based programme.'

Watching or reading something because it agrees with your own ideas is a stupid thing to do.

[Skajo]

Great, more places to send our forces :rolleyes:.

Let them bomb ten heaps of crap out of one another and leave them to it. It's their mess.

[ArcD]

Whose forces are you talking about?

[alexxxxx]

Whose forces are you talking about?

don't worry, i don't think he quite understands the conflict

[PaintYourTarget]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2J3my3pOIc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4

Some interesting Hamas children's tv programmes.

[iUnknown]

My view:


http://i44.tinypic.com/303eex5.png

Hamas are hiding behind their citizens - Israel are protecting theirs.


What else can Israel do? They aren't aiming for citizens obviously, what will that achieve?

[DaveTaylor]

My view:


http://i44.tinypic.com/303eex5.png

Hamas are hiding behind their citizens - Israel are protecting theirs.


What else can Israel do? They aren't aiming for citizens obviously, what will that achieve?

lol agreed +rep for that one.

[Dentafrice]

Agreed also. +REP :)

[Pyroka]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2J3my3pOIc
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4

Some interesting Hamas children's tv programmes.

Lol thats not insinuating anything is it.

[alexxxxx]

My view:


http://i44.tinypic.com/303eex5.png

Hamas are hiding behind their citizens - Israel are protecting theirs.


What else can Israel do? They aren't aiming for citizens obviously, what will that achieve?

The ultimate destruction of Palestine.

[Dentafrice]

The ultimate destruction of Palestine.
Then so be it.

[alexxxxx]

Then so be it.

You are the biggest tool on this forum.

Edited by Wayne (Forum Super Moderator) Please don't insult other members of the forum.

[Dentafrice]

You are the biggest tool on this forum.

Edited by Wayne (Forum Super Moderator) Please don't insult other members of the forum.
Thanks. I enjoy being the biggest tool.

You just can't handle that I have strong southern conservative values. If you don't like them, that's fine. I don't like some of the things that you believe/think.. but I respect them, and don't go around calling you 'the biggest tool'.

So if you want to continue thinking that, go ahead, I'm not the one who can't respect other people's opinions though. Closed minded idiot.

[Technologic]

Then so be it.

So be it?

That's 1 million people...

[PaintYourTarget]

Lol thats not insinuating anything is it.
What can I say, they put their kids first.

[alexxxxx]

Thanks. I enjoy being the biggest tool.

You just can't handle that I have strong southern conservative values. If you don't like them, that's fine. I don't like some of the things that you believe/think.. but I respect them, and don't go around calling you 'the biggest tool'.

So if you want to continue thinking that, go ahead, I'm not the one who can't respect other people's opinions though. Closed minded idiot.

They aren't conservative values mate, they are borderline facsist. That's why I don't respect them.

I don't respect facsists who wish or allow the destruction and killing of millions of people in the name of a country who repeatedly defy the UN.

Alrighty, that's all i have to say on the matter.

[Dentafrice]

They aren't conservative values mate, they are borderline facsist. That's why I don't respect them.

I don't respect facsists who wish or allow the destruction and killing of millions of people in the name of a country who repeatedly defy the UN.

Alrighty, that's all i have to say on the matter.
Maybe if you could actually spell fascist, then I would consider listening to what you say.

We're not destructing or killing anyone.. Israel is.. and it's not our job (America) to stop them. It's their country.. and their affairs.

The UN is the most idiotic organization in the world, that gets their nose in other people's affairs.

Let countries work it out on their own, or instead of complaining and relying on the UN/US.. step in and do it themselves.

Why don't Europe step in and actually do something about it, and stop the fighting, instead of relying on the US? or the UN?

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I don't see how they are borderline "fascist", none of my morals and values are.. I don't wish for the destruction and killing of millions of people.. because that's not going to happen.

This isn't a genocide.. this isn't a plot to murder millions of people.

Israel don't want to kill innocent Palestinian people, they want to take care of the bad guys (Hamas) who continue to fire rockets at Israel.

It's not the same the other way around.. Hamas wants to kill innocent Palestinian people.. they want to destroy Israel.. just like they stated.

If Canada was shooting rockets across the border at the USA, do you think we would let it last even more then a day? Hell no.

Because it's not just the rockets.. it's the principle behind them.. they're willing to shoot explosive devices at you, and your people, and your country.. it has a ******* motive behind it.

Anyways, if you're still going to "attempt" to argue, with your stupid comments on fascism.. and just ignorant ********.. I won't be replying unless you have an actual intellectual post that goes beyond what you have said.

[alexxxxx]

We're not destructing or killing anyone.. Israel is.. and it's not our job (America) to stop them. It's their country.. and their affairs.


But it's alright to AID them though? It's US bullets and bombs that kill them



The UN is the most idiotic organization in the world, that gets their nose in other people's affairs.

Let countries work it out on their own, or instead of complaining and relying on the UN/US.. step in and do it themselves.


The UN is a good idea but all large superpowers constantly defy it.



Why don't Europe step in and actually do something about it, and stop the fighting, instead of relying on the US? or the UN?


If you knew much about Europe you'd know that Europe does not have it's own military force and it's member states are only loosely tied together, with different foreign policies. A large 'european army' would create its own problems within Europe.

And we (UK) have asked for a ceasefire and so have the UN (but the USA vetoed it). I do agree a multi-national taskforce could be useful, but it would have to be impartial either way.
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This isn't a genocide.. this isn't a plot to murder millions of people.

Israel don't want to kill innocent Palestinian people, they want to take care of the bad guys (Hamas) who continue to fire rockets at Israel.

It's not the same the other way around.. Hamas wants to kill innocent Palestinian people.. they want to destroy Israel.. just like they stated.


There is a reason for the Palestinians to want to shoot rockets at Israel, many feel opressed by Israel and it's dominance over them, with its ultimate control over them and stealing of their land. If Canada or Mexico started to take land from the USA, would the USA sit still and let them take it.. no, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with you pushing them back to the border.

http://www.nogw.com/images/wiping-off-map.jpg
Can you understand their anger now?

I think Israel has a right to exist and I'd like to see a two state solution, but it's impossible at this moment in time.

I think we've all got to look at the bigger picture. We all know shooting rockets one way or the other is wrong, but there really is more to it than that.

All that Israel are doing are increasing hatred towards themselves and their allies and all that ends up with is more bloodshed.

[FlyingJesus]

In case anyone cares, fascism simply means an iliberal view that the good of society as a whole is more important than the rights of individuals. It's associated with WW2 Axis but its actual basis isn't a bad one as long as you aren't some bleeding heart.

Here ends my contribution to this thread as most of my points went ignored, and the topic's changed to petty arguments.

[ArcD]

Even with the bit of land that they have, they still manage to screw everything up. They are run by a terrorist organization. They fund bombs, not hospitals.

[Technologic]

^ I'd be pretty pissed off if somebody was stealing my land, confining me to a small area and restricting trade

[ArcD]

They didn't steal their land.
A) It was given by the British because Jews were kicked out of Europe and not allowed into the West.
B) They had absolutely no government.
C) There was already Jews living there.
D) They just started blocking off shipments recently, because Hamas doesn't know how to control themselves.
You know absolutely nothing about the situation.

[alexxxxx]

They didn't steal their land.
A) It was given by the British because Jews were kicked out of Europe and not allowed into the West.


That's true, my grandfather was born in Palestine because his dad was peacekeeping or something at the time, HOWEVER, if you looked at the map I showed you, Israel has moved passed the boundaries set by the UN when Israel was established, therefore 'stealing' the land.



B) They had absolutely no government.


Because it was run by the british.



C) There was already Jews living there.


Yes, as my map showed, however, not as many as the arabs.



D) They just started blocking off shipments recently, because Hamas doesn't know how to control themselves.
You know absolutely nothing about the situation.
That still doesn't help the people that need medicine or want to export/import things. They have tunnels to egypt to import weapons, blocking off things from the sea won't do alot.

[ArcD]

They have been letting in aid recently, and doing small cease fires.
You are making it sound like it is one way, when really it is much more then that.
4800+ rockets fired by Hamas in the past couple years.

[alexxxxx]

They have been letting in aid recently, and doing small cease fires.
You are making it sound like it is one way, when really it is much more then that.
4800+ rockets fired by Hamas in the past couple years.

More than a thousand killed in less than a couple of weeks.

[ArcD]

Yes. The civilian deaths were quite unfortunate, but the Hamas deaths were for a reason. Cease fire called and an hour later Hamas blasted off more rockets.

[efq]

No matter what Britain do, nearly all the time no-one will attack us but will hate us, they know attacking us would be the biggest mistake they ever make.

[ArcD]

No. Attacking the USA would be much worse.