How does this VIP Rule work exactly?

[Moh]

I was wondering how does this VIP rule work?

Could you not have on a separate domain a purchase VIP form which is linked to this database, which doesn't have habbo in the domain and any habbo images?

Because that way, technically the forum it self isn't doing anything wrong.

[GommeInc]

I was wondering how does this VIP rule work?

Could you not have on a separate domain a purchase VIP form which is linked to this database, which doesn't have habbo in the domain and any habbo images?

Because that way, technically the forum it self isn't doing anything wrong.
It is, by allowing it and the money goes to the same pocket, and it's set up by people who work for the forum. It's like Britvic making another small company to make hate campaigns against Coca-Cola, it's still them doing it, just indirectly.

They've not given a reason for this rule, but because they hold the copyright button, they can close down any site they wish with Habbo images, with no reasons at all :P

[Yonder]

Your not allowed to link or associate to any service that charges a premium to the members of the site, advertisements are allowed as they have nothing to do with charging members for a service. Habbo have said (apparently) habbo fansites can accept donations and in return give a name colour change. Which IMO is stupid because if you are allowed to let a user donate and in return give them a different colour username what difference to Habbo is it if your allowed to view rep, bigger avvys/sigs, etc.

[Bomb-Head]

what difference to Habbo is it if your allowed to view rep, bigger avvys/sigs, etc.

Because that's what they class as 'premium access' which is what they have said we can't do :P

[efq]

But at the end of the day, your making money off their work.

[Moh]

It is, by allowing it and the money goes to the same pocket, and it's set up by people who work for the forum. It's like Britvic making another small company to make hate campaigns against Coca-Cola, it's still them doing it, just indirectly.

They've not given a reason for this rule, but because they hold the copyright button, they can close down any site they wish with Habbo images, with no reasons at all :P
So if you own a fansite, your not allowed to make ANY website which makes profit?

On the other website, you could be paying for premium services on that website, and you just happen to get a free voucher for here.

Also, Sulake staff aren't allowed to register on Habbo Fansites ;)

[GoldenMerc]

Also, Sulake staff aren't allowed to register on Habbo Fansites ;)

Incorrect, redtiz plus becs plus disarno are all registered on HHGS.

[Moh]

Incorrect, redtiz plus becs plus disarno are all registered on HHGS.
You sure thats correct?

Sulake staff are only allowed to sign up on official fansites for events only.

[Immenseman]

You sure thats correct?

Sulake staff are only allowed to sign up on official fansites for events only.

If it's just official, HHGS isn't official.

[GoldenMerc]

Yeh because i emailed redtiz & Disarno about events, both did it. but i had to make it in admincp and then they verifed them to there emails.

[Immenseman]

I know that staff use this forum also, not for events. I have been F/R by a staff member for something I said on here last year.

[GoldenMerc]

Staff just look through threads for naughty people like u Jake !!!111

[Immenseman]

no they dont, lia.

[GoldenMerc]

I got told of for leaking a email so they obv r looking for people norti, e.g u

[Immenseman]

Yeah I was spoken to for a good reason though :') they're looking for god boys and girl and naughty boys and girls.

[Sammeth.]

I'm sure the only reason Habbo Staff have a look round these parts is because its a quick and easy way to get the public opinion of something, and the response to any changes. Innit.

[Immenseman]

To see what's going down, underground and all that aye.

[Yonder]

Because that's what they class as 'premium access' which is what they have said we can't do :P

Ano but isnt donating and recieving a name colour change theoretically charging for a premium service?

[GommeInc]

Because that's what they class as 'premium access' which is what they have said we can't do :P
Contradictory statement on Habbos half then. Because getting a different colour change through a donation is VIP access. Comparing it to something we all know, cash for honours for example, people paid money for a title. It is the same thing. And bigger avatars, signatures, rep and usertitles are not really that different to coloured names, because these coloured names can only be done by VIPs who have paid for access to them - Now change 'coloured names' to rep and so on and the same outcome comes out.

Jeez, someone do the honourable and close Habbo down, or at least hunt down the imbesiles in their customer relations and HRM team... I don't think I've ever heard any other company be so daft and terrible with backing up their policies. They just chuck them out and because they can play the copyright card when people don't listen, they can get away without having to tell anyone a reason, because everyone knows now that Habbo have no reason behind this, not a logical one at least and a company the size of theirs knows this :rolleyes:

[nvrspk4]

The idea is that a colored name for donation is simply "recognizing" them for donating and allowing people who donated to be "recognized" by other forum members.

[Agnostic Bear]

The idea is that a colored name for donation is simply "recognizing" them for donating and allowing people who donated to be "recognized" by other forum members.

Allow them to be "recognized" by a larger avatar and "recognized" by a nice profile.

Playing on words is the way to get around pretty much anything.

[nvrspk4]

Allow them to be "recognized" by a larger avatar and "recognized" by a nice profile.

Playing on words is the way to get around pretty much anything.

Problem is that Sulake enforces the spirit of the rule - not the word of the rule. Either they will reject our definition or change theirs, they have the ability to make the rules however they want since they have the magic copyright.

[Yonder]

The idea is that a colored name for donation is simply "recognizing" them for donating and allowing people who donated to be "recognized" by other forum members.


Allow them to be "recognized" by a larger avatar and "recognized" by a nice profile.

Playing on words is the way to get around pretty much anything.

Exactly what i was going to say so if they make the rules and they are saying recognition we are allowed to use then why cant we call bigger avvys, sigs, viewing rep etc recognition for donating. I totally agree with Jewish Bear they are playing and enforcing a flawed rule, exploit it in my opinion.

[leah]

Sulake have made a pathetic rule with may flaws in it, own them nvr!

[UrbanRyan]

Its a stupid rule in the first place. God knows why they made it.

[GommeInc]

The idea is that a colored name for donation is simply "recognizing" them for donating and allowing people who donated to be "recognized" by other forum members.
Surely the other features of VIP could come under that wording too? I like how are so bad an properly enforcing rules. They don't stick to the script, they make it up as they go along.

Habbo are such a lame company now :/

[leah]

Surely the other features of VIP could come under that wording too? I like how are so bad an properly enforcing rules. They don't stick to the script, they make it up as they go along.

Habbo are such a lame company now :/
we shoud sue them tbh

[nvrspk4]

Surely the other features of VIP could come under that wording too? I like how are so bad an properly enforcing rules. They don't stick to the script, they make it up as they go along.

Habbo are such a lame company now :/

Exactly, it could, however they say anything which provides "extra features" or an "extra level of access" is unacceptable. They simply don't recognize a name color as "extra features".

[Yonder]

Exactly, it could, however they say anything which provides "extra features" or an "extra level of access" is unacceptable. They simply don't recognize a name color as "extra features".

but it is.

[nvrspk4]

but it is.

Ya but if we make that argument they won't say ok you can have avatars, they'll say ok you just can't have colored names.

[Yonder]

Ya but if we make that argument they won't say ok you can have avatars, they'll say ok you just can't have colored names.

Touché, but you dont get anywhere in life without asking

[Frisky]

So basically NOONE will be able to have a big siggy or avatar and will have to suffer with small ones ... literally all the time.

[Yonder]

So basically NOONE will be able to have a big siggy or avatar and will have to suffer with small ones ... literally all the time.

Either that or maybe they will change stuff for normal users or just give away the VIP features for comps or something i dunno.

[Moh]

I know that staff use this forum also, not for events. I have been F/R by a staff member for something I said on here last year.
You don't have to register to view threads :P

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=177563

Could maybe twist the rule to work with that?

[Technologic]

They could just give us all vip.. or at least so you can see who gave you rep...

[Alkaz]

Maybe the usergroup things can be updated so platinum users can update profile colours and things like that? It is encouragement to post or something? I dont know :(

[nvrspk4]

Touché, but you dont get anywhere in life without asking

Yus but its not worth losing the ability to give name colors in order to argue and lose :P

Also, VIP will still be around...just we'll be giving it out in competitions ;)

[GommeInc]

Ya but if we make that argument they won't say ok you can have avatars, they'll say ok you just can't have colored names.
May aswell not have any features then. Coloured names aren't a substantial reason to have "VIP". Play them at their own game by calling them stupid by saying it is an extra feature. Then, not allow members to have the coloured names. Afterall, why make people VIPs when they're really just donators with a coloured name. You may aswell just let members donate with no extra features. It's either that, or lower your mental margins to that of the clearly stupid Sulake team by accepting it isn't a special feature, when it clearly is.

[nvrspk4]

May aswell not have any features then. Coloured names aren't a substantial reason to have "VIP". Play them at their own game by calling them stupid by saying it is an extra feature. Then, not allow members to have the coloured names. Afterall, why make people VIPs when they're really just donators with a coloured name. You may aswell just let members donate with no extra features. It's either that, or lower your mental margins to that of the clearly stupid Sulake team by accepting it isn't a special feature, when it clearly is.

They are donators with colored names, they're not going to be called VIP you essentially will just get a colored name for being a donator.

[GommeInc]

They are donators with colored names, they're not going to be called VIP you essentially will just get a colored name for being a donator.
Or just VIPs with no other features, only coloured names :P They've pretty much got you to make us change what we believe to be VIPs, which on the outside are just members with coloured names.

[Supersam]

Its a stupid rule in the first place. God knows why they made it.

They are greedy pigs like most large companies.

[Dada]

Well, maybe for now habboxforum should give out coloured names for donations? Except alot cheaper because you'd only be getting the coloured name. Wont be much profit, but it's better then nothing

but yeah its such a stupid rule >.<

[GommeInc]

They are greedy pigs like most large companies.
Except Habbo/Sulake are worse because, although they are a company that solely exist to make money, they are a social/community company too.

Time for some boring crap which suggests why Habbo are quite awful lately:

Habbo/Sulake are what business peeps may call a 'socio-economic' company. A socio-economic company usually sell a product which customers are meant to enjoy in a community or 'social' situations. These'social' and 'economic' factors are meant to be balanced, because when one becomes more focused on, the other one fails. At the moment they are focusing too much on the 'economic' or money side of things, and thus the social side is failing e.g. fansites and consumers are losing interest in the product because the company is delivering the goods with limitations i.e. you may not sell your own products when you consume/use products from us - which is where the copyright argument comes in.

It's like a socio-technical company. When the technical side becomes the centre focus point, the social side drops. In other words, when computers do too much of the work, the employees/consumers get bored and alienated.

[Supersam]

Except Habbo/Sulake are worse because, although they are a company that solely exist to make money, they are a social/community company too.

Time for some boring crap which suggests why Habbo are quite awful lately:

Habbo/Sulake are what business peeps may call a 'socio-economic' company. A socio-economic company usually sell a product which customers are meant to enjoy in a community or 'social' situations. These'social' and 'economic' factors are meant to be balanced, because when one becomes more focused on, the other one fails. At the moment they are focusing too much on the 'economic' or money side of things, and thus the social side is failing e.g. fansites and consumers are losing interest in the product because the company is delivering the goods with limitations i.e. you may not sell your own products when you consume/use products from us - which is where the copyright argument comes in.

It's like a socio-technical company. When the technical side becomes the centre focus point, the social side drops. In other words, when computers do too much of the work, the employees/consumers get bored and alienated.

I think they are worse purely due to the fact that they are willing to trample on supporters. If they are so hung up on making money that they are willing to stop small minor sites from making any income then they dont deserve such support.