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Favourtism
09-03-2009, 07:05 PM
YouTube is blocking all premium music videos to UK users after failing to reach a new licensing agreement with the Performing Right Society (PRS).
Thousands of videos will be unavailable to YouTube users from later on Monday.
Patrick Walker, YouTube's director of video partnerships, told BBC News that the move was "regrettable".
Steve Porter, head of the PRS, said he was "outraged... shocked and disappointed" by YouTube's decision.
In a statement, Mr Porter said the move "punishes British consumers and the songwriters whose interests we protect and represent".
The PRS has asked YouTube to reconsider its decision as a "matter of urgency".
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif This action has been taken without any consultation with PRS for Music and in the middle of negotiations between the two parties http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


PRS statement


The body, which represents music publishers, added: "Google has told us they are taking this step because they wish to pay significantly less than at present to the writers of the music on which their service relies, despite the massive increase in YouTube viewing.
"This action has been taken without any consultation with PRS for Music and in the middle of negotiations between the two parties."
Mr Walker told BBC News the PRS was seeking a rise in fees "many, many factors" higher than the previous agreement.
He said: "We feel we are so far apart that we have to remove content while we continue to negotiate with the PRS."
"We are making the message public because it will be noticeable to users on the site."
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gifhttp://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif Consumers must be scratching their heads in amazement at such obstacles to delivering legal content in a timely and straightforward fashion. http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Darren Waters, Technology editor, BBC News website

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Read more on the Dot.Life blog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/03/youtube_row_reflects_online_mi.html)



Videos will begin to be blocked from 1800 GMT with the majority of them made inaccessible over the next two days.
YouTube pays a licence to the PRS which covers the streaming of music videos from three of the four major music labels and many independent labels.
Stream online
While deals with individual record labels cover the use of the visual element and sound recording in a music video, firms that want to stream online also have to have a separate deal with music publishers which covers the music and lyrics.
In the UK, the PRS acts as a collecting society on behalf of member publishers for licensing fees relating to use of music.
YouTube stressed that it continued to have "strong partnerships" with three of the four largest record labels in the world.
Mr Walker said the PRS was asking for a "prohibitive" rise in the cost of a new license.
While not specifying the rate the PRS was seeking, he said: "It has to be a rate than can drive a business model. We are in the business for the long run and we want to drive the use of online video.
"The rate they are applying would mean we would lose significant amounts of money on every stream of a music video. It is not a reasonable rate to ask."
New deal
YouTube has also complained of a lack of transparency by the PRS, saying the organisation would not specify exactly which artists would be covered by any new deal.
"That's like asking a consumer to buy a blank CD without knowing what musicians are on it," a statement from YouTube UK says on its official blog.
YouTube is the world's most popular online video site but has been under increased pressure to generate more revenue since its purchase by Google for $1.65 billion in 2006.
"We are not willing to do this [new licensing deal] at any cost," said Mr Walker.
He said the issue was an industry-wide one and not just related to YouTube.
"By setting rates that don't allow new business models to flourish, nobody wins." Services such as Pandora.com, MySpace UK and Imeem have also had issues securing licence deals in the UK in the last 12 months.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7933565.stm

PRS sounds like the PPS ****s who contacted habbo fansites lol.

Hazza
09-03-2009, 07:09 PM
Can't you just like put the music on without videos? Videos aren't a big loss.

Favourtism
09-03-2009, 07:09 PM
Nope, doubt it^

Bren
09-03-2009, 07:09 PM
**** u **** u **** u

Hazza
09-03-2009, 07:10 PM
Youtube's pointless now.

Crimson
09-03-2009, 07:12 PM
omg... lol :O

Jordy
09-03-2009, 07:13 PM
As per usual I posted in Technology Discussion but it's replicated here, always happen with technology news (Not a personal dig just saying).

Just use American proxy's to access the music videos.

Hazza
09-03-2009, 07:14 PM
As per usual I posted in Technology Discussion but it's replicated here, always happen with technology news (Not a personal dig just saying).

Just use American proxy's to access the music videos.
Provide us with one?

Jordy
09-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Provide us with one?Here's a few thousand.

www.proxy.org (http://www.proxy.org)

Just make sure it's not based in the UK that's all there is to it.

Edit: You need a proxy which has flash capabilities my bad, there's still quite a few of them though.

Kipp
09-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Omg thats sooo unfair

jackass
09-03-2009, 07:17 PM
Won't be using Youtube much anymore then. :P

Hazza
09-03-2009, 07:20 PM
They will loseee so many users from this but hey.

Minstrels
09-03-2009, 07:20 PM
And at which point will I cancel my account?

.ZzZzZ
09-03-2009, 07:26 PM
They will loseee so many users from this but hey.

No they wont they is still something to watch like Films and Videos
However this is so stupid so they are stopping us from viewing Music now ? Who do they think they are ******* loons

Hazza
09-03-2009, 07:28 PM
They will, there is a massive userbase for just music, imagine it, all them gone...

flatface
09-03-2009, 07:29 PM
Don't use Youtube much anyways.

Slowpoke
09-03-2009, 08:23 PM
Has it stopped working yet?

Jord
09-03-2009, 08:35 PM
Im still listening to music atm lol

Rozi
09-03-2009, 08:43 PM
Yeh, listening to music right now.

But if it is blocked that's youtube pretty useless to me! I only use it for music, and lets face it, without the music aspect youtube would have never have been as popular as it is now!

IceNineKills
09-03-2009, 10:48 PM
even now i can still veiw all the music videos on my favourites.

Anvrew
09-03-2009, 10:50 PM
Not Ireland?


:8:8:8:8:8

Jord
09-03-2009, 10:54 PM
They will, there is a massive userbase for just music, imagine it, all them gone...


yup, Ndubz, Chipmunk, WestwoodTV

All of them have hundreds or 1000's or even 10,000's of subscribers.


if you dont like youtube go to

www.megavideo.com

or


www.veoh.com

Absently
09-03-2009, 10:56 PM
Not Ireland?


:8:8:8:8:8

yeah, that's what i was wondering... will the republic of ireland still be able to watch the youtube music vids? =S

Bun
09-03-2009, 11:04 PM
what ********s.

Favourtism
10-03-2009, 03:12 PM
Not Ireland?


:8:8:8:8:8
They probly feel sorry for Irish people due to the recent IRA attacks.... that or because Ireland has a different PPL type of group who are more reasonable.

cunning
10-03-2009, 04:01 PM
They will loseee so many users from this but hey.

It's YouTube...They will never lose many users...only if the block them.

I would block countries if I had to pay extra money for nothing too. That's stupid, it's like people are trying to scam them. If you can use proxies, that would be the best thing to do.

BeanEgg
10-03-2009, 04:01 PM
That's a shame. :(
But I don't actually watch the videos, just listen. :(

Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:09 PM
You do know this is only temporary until they reach an agreement with the nazis PRS?

FlyingJesus
10-03-2009, 05:17 PM
I BET THIS IS SULAKE'S FAULT :@

but yeah pretty sure live music and user-made videos can still be gotten to, just not "official" videos for most stuff

Anvrew
10-03-2009, 05:19 PM
Thats up North, Not the rebulbliccccc

8)))))

Japan
10-03-2009, 05:27 PM
You do know this is only temporary until they reach an agreement with the nazis PRS?
Lol Hopefully =P

Loser
10-03-2009, 05:28 PM
YouTube is **** now anyways, the only things you can find now that isn't blocked/taken down due to copyright, are boring teenagers making boring videos about something boring because they've just worked out how to use Windows movie maker.

Anvrew
10-03-2009, 05:30 PM
or memorial videos for scumbags lmaoooooooo

FlyingJesus
10-03-2009, 05:30 PM
Sounds boring

Technologic
10-03-2009, 06:19 PM
Thank **** all the music i listen to on youtube is on really obscure breakbeat labels.

Hazza
10-03-2009, 06:25 PM
Spotify ftw.

Niall!
10-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Hey guys, pirating was here.

Youtube is for losers.

GommeInc
10-03-2009, 08:25 PM
Can't you just like put the music on without videos? Videos aren't a big loss.
I think its the music which causes this problem, aswell as the official music videos.

They're going to lose alot of money out of this, YouTube is the main source to 'try before you buy' music, if not its far up there.

Marucho
10-03-2009, 08:27 PM
Ooo
If you dont make an account, it'll come up with the "We set your preferences to UK" Click CANCEL. And it will be worldwide. This seems to give me all the videos again.

pwn.

GommeInc
10-03-2009, 08:30 PM
Ooo
If you dont make an account, it'll come up with the "We set your preferences to UK" Click CANCEL. And it will be worldwide. This seems to give me all the videos again.

pwn.
Isn't the change set for the end of the week? Or has Radio 1 been lying to me?

Hazza
10-03-2009, 08:30 PM
Ooo
If you dont make an account, it'll come up with the "We set your preferences to UK" Click CANCEL. And it will be worldwide. This seems to give me all the videos again.

pwn.
Doesn't work, they check your IP. Wait till Monday and you'll find out. I tried setting mine to Australia and it still didn't work... check the other thread for one thats already blocked :)

Marucho
10-03-2009, 08:31 PM
Isn't the change set for the end of the week? Or has Radio 1 been lying to me?

Mabye :/
When i was set to UK i got all the live songs and covers not any of the actual songs. Now i have everything again.
Hrm

Edit: Guess that wont work then. Dam.

no waiii
11-03-2009, 04:59 PM
dis dont count for ireland rite?

Sameer!
11-03-2009, 05:13 PM
omg what unfairnes!

Loser
11-03-2009, 05:41 PM
dis dont count for ireland rite?

i dnt no m8

Jack.Lfc
11-03-2009, 05:56 PM
I uploaded a video from at the match y;day it was removed within hours :S

Naruto!
11-03-2009, 06:17 PM
I'm listening to music now? :S

himynameisdean
11-03-2009, 06:23 PM
oh god, whats the point in that

Neversoft
11-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Discrimination!

IceNineKills
11-03-2009, 11:12 PM
is it all music or just like the main crappy artists like in the charts?

Oleh
14-03-2009, 08:50 AM
to be honest, i am yet to come across a blocked video

Niall!
14-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Yet again, pirating was here.

Youtube is a loser.

lew!
14-03-2009, 12:13 PM
In a few months, I think they will say actually dont worry about it, music videos are backkk etc etc because of the pure thousands of users that use youtube each day for music videos.

underscore
15-03-2009, 09:28 PM
Lots of people have been unable to get music, yet I can get anything, proper big new tunes and everything.. Lol :P

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