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Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:22 PM
Within the U.K. or with the Republic?

In my view it's the UK, the people of NI want to stay with the UK and untill they choose otherwise it shall remain that way.

The IRA represent only the IRA and not the people.

Anvrew
10-03-2009, 05:24 PM
I'd like it to be all of the R.O.I
But obviously they don't want that.
Can't they have a refurendum (?) to make it that way?

Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:26 PM
In 1973 there was a referendum, 98% voted to stay within the UK.

Anvrew
10-03-2009, 05:27 PM
Oh well.
Idc really.
I just hate when on the news they cut us out :'(

Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:32 PM
What do you mean cut out?

Anvrew
10-03-2009, 05:39 PM
in the weather
lmao.
looks ugly without us IMO
8D

(jk btw)

Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:41 PM
Yeah but you know.. the BBC for the UK.... Why would they bother showing the Republic.. that would be like showing France

Abbie.
10-03-2009, 05:43 PM
i want it to be part of the UK, and really, it WILL stay like that as the nationalists have more of a majority over the unionists in northern ireland.

Technologic
10-03-2009, 05:45 PM
i want it to be part of the UK, and really, it WILL stay like that as the nationalists have more of a majority over the unionists in northern ireland.

What is the general feeling towards Unionists and the IRA?

Abbie.
10-03-2009, 05:49 PM
What is the general feeling towards Unionists and the IRA?


well i suppose it never really was possitive was it lol :P
buttt like people are worried that the troubles will start up again i suppose

PaulMacC
10-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Actually the majority want it to be united.
It's like 55% catholic now, last time I checked :P
Well not united but I assume the majority of those would vote for united.
Im not bothered really by either.

Cypher-
11-03-2009, 12:35 AM
Its ridiculous that people ask this question and I dont mean to sound rude its just because I hate it so much. Northern Ireland will always be british, we will always say no surrender to dissident cowards from ireland and if that fateful day comes when Northern Ireland gets handed over like some sort of toy we will rebel against it.

Im disgusted and shocked with the murders of those 3 poor men but now Im also worried that loyalist groups in Northern Ireland will try to avenge their countrymen by plotting attacks on Irish people down south, I dont want to see anyone killed except paramilitary groups and their members and I hope to god the IRA members who murdered those soldiers and the policeman are killed.


i want it to be part of the UK, and really, it WILL stay like that as the nationalists have more of a majority over the unionists in northern ireland.

If you want NI to remain british then you are a Unionist, Nationalist's are mainly the people who want it to be part of Ireland

PaulMacC
11-03-2009, 02:22 AM
Its ridiculous that people ask this question and I dont mean to sound rude its just because I hate it so much. Northern Ireland will always be british, we will always say no surrender to dissident cowards from ireland and if that fateful day comes when Northern Ireland gets handed over like some sort of toy we will rebel against it.

Im disgusted and shocked with the murders of those 3 poor men but now Im also worried that loyalist groups in Northern Ireland will try to avenge their countrymen by plotting attacks on Irish people down south, I dont want to see anyone killed except paramilitary groups and their members and I hope to god the IRA members who murdered those soldiers and the policeman are killed.



If you want NI to remain british then you are a Unionist, Nationalist's are mainly the people who want it to be part of Ireland
It's not just dissident republicans who want a united Ireland. Some of my friends would like Northern Ireland to be a part of Ireland. That doesnt make them cowards.
I cant use euro's for crap, so lol.

Richie
11-03-2009, 03:03 AM
The Brittish have murdered, plundered, stolen, and raped the good people of Ireland for hundreds of years. Its 2009 and its time the brittish caught on to the notion that they are not welcome and never have been. Scotland won thier freedom but have left ireland to fend for itself and america has done little to help . Why cant Brits just leave ireland alone?? Its the same as the palestinians and the Israelis who will not leave them alone. Are you not ashamed?

I think all this should stop the IRA are not doing the right thing

Jordy
11-03-2009, 10:20 AM
The Brittish have murdered, plundered, stolen, and raped the good people of Ireland for hundreds of years. Its 2009 and its time the brittish caught on to the notion that they are not welcome and never have been. Scotland won thier freedom but have left ireland to fend for itself and america has done little to help . Why cant Brits just leave ireland alone?? Its the same as the palestinians and the Israelis who will not leave them alone. Are you not ashamed?
?
I think all this should stop the IRA are not doing the right thingIn what way has Scotland separated from the UK? Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales all have their own Parliaments now due to referendums in the late '90s but they're still governed from London in most respects.

GommeInc
11-03-2009, 02:03 PM
Yeah but you know.. the BBC for the UK.... Why would they bother showing the Republic.. that would be like showing France
They used to and possibly still do for the BBC News at 10pm weather :D

It's whatever the N.I. people want, and if the old referendum is anything to go by, then it should; stay as part of the UK. But that's of course if people in N.I. still stick by what they said 30 years ago...

PaulMacC
11-03-2009, 04:02 PM
Northern Ireland is 55-60% Catholic now though, a redferendum would show differernt results that it did 40 some years ago.

Abbie.
11-03-2009, 04:10 PM
Its ridiculous that people ask this question and I dont mean to sound rude its just because I hate it so much. Northern Ireland will always be british, we will always say no surrender to dissident cowards from ireland and if that fateful day comes when Northern Ireland gets handed over like some sort of toy we will rebel against it.

Im disgusted and shocked with the murders of those 3 poor men but now Im also worried that loyalist groups in Northern Ireland will try to avenge their countrymen by plotting attacks on Irish people down south, I dont want to see anyone killed except paramilitary groups and their members and I hope to god the IRA members who murdered those soldiers and the policeman are killed.



If you want NI to remain british then you are a Unionist, Nationalist's are mainly the people who want it to be part of Ireland

no unionists want a union..... nationalists dont, im pretty sure im right.

and i pretty much agree with you.

PaulMacC
11-03-2009, 04:16 PM
Yes but your forgetting what Richie mentioning that the british army has murdered innocent also.

no waiii
11-03-2009, 04:55 PM
no unionists want a union..... nationalists dont, im pretty sure im right.

and i pretty much agree with you.

unionst want a union with britain, that makes you unionist not nationist

Technologic
11-03-2009, 05:55 PM
Yes but your forgetting what Richie mentioning that the british army has murdered innocent also.

Only in retaliation really... the IRA probably killed more civillians than the UK army.

Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain, it's part of the UK.

Richie
11-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Yes but your forgetting what Richie mentioning that the british army has murdered innocent also.

Think of how many people from Ireland the British army have killed!



I dont wana arguement but think of how many people where murdered in dublin bk in the day also a little off topicness but then people from N Ireland wanted too march through dublin with the orange flag, there were riots over it because we wouldnt let it happen why do you think we didnt let it happen because thousands of Irish people where killed in dublin over this!

Pfft and the Irish get blammed for the riot!

Sarah
11-03-2009, 08:49 PM
Well, is should be the choice of the people in northern Ireland, and these killings and stuff will not make the UK surrender to the IRA?

(I think its the IRA who are in ireland that want northern ireland right?)

-:Undertaker:-
11-03-2009, 09:06 PM
The Brittish have murdered, plundered, stolen, and raped the good people of Ireland for hundreds of years. Its 2009 and its time the brittish caught on to the notion that they are not welcome and never have been. Scotland won thier freedom but have left ireland to fend for itself and america has done little to help . Why cant Brits just leave ireland alone?? Its the same as the palestinians and the Israelis who will not leave them alone. Are you not ashamed?

I think all this should stop the IRA are not doing the right thing

This is typical socialist nationalism, the British Empire BUILT your countries, sad to say it but we built most of Africa, India & Ireland up from NOTHING.

You will all deny it as usual, but i'm afraid the British Empire didn't just build you up, yes we did invade and take over a lot of places, most of which didn't even have borders/governments (Africa) but we saved the world from the evil that was the Thrid Reich, so instead of living in a pre-British Imperial world right now, you'd be living in a Third Reich World dictatorship.

PaulMacC
11-03-2009, 09:13 PM
Ireland was already civilized before the british came though :/
It had it's own government that was ruled from Dublin.
Alot of other men fought in ww2 and died in that war that werent british.

-:Undertaker:-
11-03-2009, 09:29 PM
Yes, many did, but many were still living in poverty before the Empire came about and changed the face of the world with the Industrial Revolution. Britain brought wealth to Ireland and other countries. Also yes, thats my point. A United Kingdom, A United Empire helped defeat the Third Reich, and without that Empire it probably would not have been possible.

Anvrew
11-03-2009, 09:41 PM
Just as a matter of interest, Does England learn anything about Irish History?

-:Undertaker:-
11-03-2009, 09:45 PM
I think the United Kingdom is taught, and the sylibus was changed this year so I wouldn't know. Even if it is not, remember that the United Kingdom as a whole is taught, and when we talk about WW1/WW2/Empire it includes all of the Empire, especially the United Kingdom.

Richie
11-03-2009, 09:48 PM
I dont agree with what the IRA are doing, but people are saying how bad the IRA are just remember bloody sunday

-:Undertaker:-
11-03-2009, 10:08 PM
I dont agree with what the IRA are doing, but people are saying how bad the IRA are just remember bloody sunday

However Bloody Sunday was a isolated incident, and yes any killing of innocents is awful and tragic. The IRA on the other hand has not only attacked Northern Ireland, but also cities in England like my own city of Liverpool. The IRA goes out of its way to kill innocent people using terrorist methods.

Abbie.
12-03-2009, 12:24 AM
from the fact of were i live, like the most unionist town in northern ireland, and the fact im doing alevel history i should have known the difference there lol


but from doing alevel history ive learnt that i can see into both sides, but i dont WANT a united ireland

Absently
12-03-2009, 12:31 AM
I think it should belong to Ireland.. because were a country... =S not as if theres a big gap between the republic and the north.. and it's Ireland.. like it's as if it's a different country not belonging to us idkkkkk.

Abbie.
12-03-2009, 12:33 AM
I think it should belong to Ireland.. because were a country... =S not as if theres a big gap between the republic and the north.. and it's Ireland.. like it's as if it's a different country not belonging to us idkkkkk.


i dont want to be associated with a country that uses terror means though.

Absently
12-03-2009, 12:37 AM
i dont want to be associated with a country that uses terror means though.

that's just the IRA though =S

and yeahhh, the UK is an angelic place. [:

Abbie.
12-03-2009, 12:42 AM
that's just the IRA though =S

and yeahhh, the UK is an angelic place. [:

i just still think that sinn fein are a bunch of terrorists if im honest
like they are the political arm of the IRA

and my ict teacher was saying Martin McGuinness was seen about 20 years ago armed part of the IRA so yanno

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-197384/McGuinness-armed-Bloody-Sunday.html


Fresh intelligence has been given to the Saville Inquiry claiming that Sinn Fein's Martin McGuinness was armed with a weapon on Bloody Sunday.
Barrister Gerard Elias QC, who represents some of the soldiers, told the Inquiry there was new evidence that Mr McGuinness, who was second in command of the IRA in the city at the time, was in possession of a Thompson sub machine gun.
In the document presented to the Inquiry, an unknown source said he saw Mr McGuinness, who was then second in command of the IRA with a Thompson sub-machine gun concealed under his coat.
The Sinn Fein chief negotiator, who is due to give evidence to the inquiry when it returns to Londonderry, has already submitted a statement confirming he was on the march on Bloody Sunday but denying he was armed.
The inquiry, which is currently sitting in London, is investigating the events of January 30, 1972 when 13 civilians were shot dead by soldiers during a civil rights march in the Bogside area of Londonderry.
Meanwhile the inquiry has refused to set a deadline for more IRA witnesses to make statements.
Edwin Glasgow QC, representing most of the paratroopers, asked the tribunal to rule that former IRA members had until next month to come forward to the inquiry.
But Tribunal chairman Lord Saville said that while statements must be received quickly, it would be wrong to set an arbitrary deadline.

PaulMacC
12-03-2009, 08:14 AM
i dont want to be associated with a country that uses terror means though.
That's pretty unfair labelling the country as a whole.

Sarah
12-03-2009, 09:38 AM
That's pretty unfair labelling the country as a whole.

Shes talking about ireland not northern ireland which your from?

Cypher-
12-03-2009, 10:00 AM
that's just the IRA though =S

and yeahhh, the UK is an angelic place. [:

Tell that to your Damilola Taylors :S But I always want my country of Northern Ireland to be British, Id hate to be affiliated with Ireland in any way. There are Irish people up north still who say to me that they hate living there in British rule and I think its like the muslim hate preachers who ******* our boys the other day, piss off to your own home then and stop defiling ours. The famine's over ;)

Richie
12-03-2009, 02:13 PM
However Bloody Sunday was a isolated incident, and yes any killing of innocents is awful and tragic. The IRA on the other hand has not only attacked Northern Ireland, but also cities in England like my own city of Liverpool. The IRA goes out of its way to kill innocent people using terrorist methods.


I dont agree with what there doing, but they just are trying to get our country back and perhaps revenge?


Also people are saying N Ireland is not part of Ireland when it clearly is and think about this if Ireland had a big enough force to take over london, would you still class London as England and would you find it fair to say thats apart of england just give us it back

scottish
12-03-2009, 02:54 PM
If ireland took over england then it wouldn't be the people of englands choice to go with ireland?

from what im aware NI had chose UK?

Virgin Mary
12-03-2009, 04:23 PM
America, where potatoes and whisky grow in abundance.

PaulMacC
12-03-2009, 04:58 PM
I was born in Dundalk though. I am an Irish citizen so you shouldnt be branding and sterotyping the whole irish population based on other peoples actions.
Thats like me saying all americans are fat, which they arent.

Richie
12-03-2009, 05:59 PM
Yeah, Paul people always do that though, trying too be funny i aint laughing, but yet as you said if we said 'all americans are fat' they would have a go at us pfft

Technologic
12-03-2009, 07:44 PM
Tbh the IRA did do a nice job of cleaning up Manchester

Geraint
12-03-2009, 07:48 PM
Northern Ireland belongs at the bottom of the sea tbh.

-:Undertaker:-
12-03-2009, 09:08 PM
Northern Ireland has a choice, be 'united' with the South but be funded and taught what to do from Brussels, or stay with the United Kingdom and at least have some independance.

The time will come within a few years when the United Kingdom and others will have to make a choice, either carry on surrending power to the European Union or stay independant.

The two tie in due to the masses of funding Ireland recieves from the EU, and its going to be an issue in a few years. Although I must stay, congratulations on the Irish people turning down the Lisbon treaty. :)

Breakfloor
12-03-2009, 09:16 PM
northern ireland belongs just above the republic of ireland.

no waiii
13-03-2009, 07:45 PM
Northern Ireland belongs at the bottom of the sea tbh.

along with wales, they cud use the water (3rd world country)

Abbie.
14-03-2009, 02:13 AM
If ireland took over england then it wouldn't be the people of englands choice to go with ireland?

from what im aware NI had chose UK?

*bangs head*

omg u need to learn irish history soooo badly.....

Richie
14-03-2009, 02:26 AM
*bangs head*

omg u need to learn irish history soooo badly.....


Well said :eusa_danc

LeeroyJenkins
14-03-2009, 05:08 PM
northern ireland belongs with the US

we want are damn land back.

Technologic
14-03-2009, 09:08 PM
yeah well we want the us back plz. i dunno why you guys got so pissed

no waiii
14-03-2009, 09:42 PM
yeah well we want the us back plz. i dunno why you guys got so pissed

it wasnt yours to start with, we had it you invaded and took it..


and the vikings want uk back aswell den

womanizer
15-03-2009, 11:45 AM
UK please.

Technologic
15-03-2009, 11:47 AM
it wasnt yours to start with, we had it you invaded and took it..


and the vikings want uk back aswell den

Yeah and the africans want the world back pls.

Bun
15-03-2009, 11:48 AM
The Brittish have murdered, plundered, stolen, and raped the good people of Ireland for hundreds of years. Its 2009 and its time the brittish caught on to the notion that they are not welcome and never have been. Scotland won thier freedom but have left ireland to fend for itself and america has done little to help . Why cant Brits just leave ireland alone?? Its the same as the palestinians and the Israelis who will not leave them alone. Are you not ashamed?

I think all this should stop the IRA are not doing the right thing
nope... still fighting for it.

Just as a matter of interest, Does England learn anything about Irish History?
how many potatoes does it take to kill an irishman?

none :badgrin:

leah
17-03-2009, 12:03 PM
I don't see why there is "Northern Ireland" and Ireland, its like having newcastle and northumberland seperate from the rest of england tbh. It's really up to Northern Ireland though, although they're a part of Ireland.

no waiii
17-03-2009, 02:51 PM
nope... still fighting for it.

how many potatoes does it take to kill an irishman?

none :badgrin:

how many

edit i nver saw spoiler

xxMATTGxx
17-03-2009, 03:58 PM
Tbh the IRA did do a nice job of cleaning up Manchester

I agree in some areas as it made Manchester to rebuild most of the city centre and making it look much nicer then it did before it got bombed. But they still shouldn't of done it. Although due to that bomb going off, its made Manchester city centre modern :P

Lee
18-03-2009, 09:55 AM
I agree in some areas as it made Manchester to rebuild most of the city centre and making it look much nicer then it did before it got bombed. But they still shouldn't of done it. Although due to that bomb going off, its made Manchester city centre modern :P
Did anybody die in that bombing?

Cypher-
18-03-2009, 10:09 AM
Northern Ireland belongs at the bottom of the sea tbh.

Id actually laugh if you died :)

And to most other poster's on this thread, you cant even distinguish Northern from Southern which just shows the lack of knowledge you even have on this subject. Ive lived in england for about 6 months now whilst Im at Uni and people are like Ah your irish and Im like no Im northern irish so they say ah its all the same isnt it. Its like calling the scottish english and the welsh idiots? (Well maybe not the last part)

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18-03-2009, 11:10 AM
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no waiii
18-03-2009, 05:14 PM
ops posted twice caus of lag

no waiii
18-03-2009, 05:14 PM
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are you like 12 or somthing

Abbie.
18-03-2009, 05:35 PM
I don't see why there is "Northern Ireland" and Ireland, its like having newcastle and northumberland seperate from the rest of england tbh. It's really up to Northern Ireland though, although they're a part of Ireland.

1st of all, Northern Ireland is NOT part of ireland, and 'ireland' is a republic hence why its called the republic of ireland

actually i cant be bothered, some people are just ignorant to history and comment when they have no clue.

leah
18-03-2009, 06:36 PM
1st of all, Northern Ireland is NOT part of ireland, and 'ireland' is a republic hence why its called the republic of ireland

actually i cant be bothered, some people are just ignorant to history and comment when they have no clue.
It's not about ignorance it's about opinion and they're both joined together seperate from the UK which is why I think they should just all be "Ireland". We learn british history in school anyway, don't bother with Ireland.

-:Undertaker:-
18-03-2009, 07:43 PM
It's not about ignorance it's about opinion and they're both joined together seperate from the UK which is why I think they should just all be "Ireland". We learn british history in school anyway, don't bother with Ireland.

That makes no logic what so ever, in that case then Asia, Africa, Europe would all be one country and America would all be one country so we'd be left with about 10 countries.

Out of all the territorial possessions of the United Kingdom, it makes more sense to keep Northern Ireland as its closest to the mainland, compared to the Falklands etc.

Abbie.
18-03-2009, 08:12 PM
oh yea and the majority of Northern ireland would LOVEEE a united ireland, seriously, imagine all the fighting if that actually happened

and thanks for the idiot who -repped me, obv some ignorant english ****

Absently
18-03-2009, 08:28 PM
Tbh. I just call Northern Ireland, Ireland. At the end of the day it's part of the United Kingdom, but it's still Ireland, and always will be Ireland, if it wasn't part of Ireland, it wouldnt be called Northern Ireland, it's name would of been changed ages ago..

Abbie.
18-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Tbh. I just call Northern Ireland, Ireland. At the end of the day it's part of the United Kingdom, but it's still Ireland, and always will be Ireland, if it wasn't part of Ireland, it wouldnt be called Northern Ireland, it's name would of been changed ages ago..

but its not still Ireland as we are part of the UK and we are classed as British ;)........

Technologic
18-03-2009, 08:59 PM
I guess NI is kind of like Alaska....

Abbie.
18-03-2009, 11:52 PM
I guess NI is kind of like Alaska....

lol:S:S

im obv not going to agree with anyone whos from the ROI or catholic so whatever

no waiii
19-03-2009, 12:12 AM
lol:S:S

im obv not going to agree with anyone whos from the ROI or catholic so whatever

That's just igronent

Agnostic Bear
19-03-2009, 01:39 PM
That's just igronent

No that's just being from a country that can't accept others, their religions or their beliefs.

Technologic
19-03-2009, 05:37 PM
lol:S:S

im obv not going to agree with anyone whos from the ROI or catholic so whatever

Well like Alaska doesn't touch the main bit of the USA but its still the USA... NI isn't on Great Britain, it's on Ireland but it's still part of the UK....

Mikey
19-03-2009, 05:58 PM
In the UK.

Abbie.
19-03-2009, 06:50 PM
That's just igronent

not really, i just dont agree with your political parties


No that's just being from a country that can't accept others, their religions or their beliefs.

that has nothing to do with it but w.e

no waiii
19-03-2009, 08:06 PM
not really, i just dont agree with your political parties



that has nothing to do with it but w.e

the political partys have nothing to do with realigon so it is "really"

Virgin Mary
19-03-2009, 09:30 PM
I guess NI is kind of like Alaska....
More like Iraq and Afghanistan. The IRA is the taliban.

Abbie.
19-03-2009, 10:52 PM
the political partys have nothing to do with realigon so it is "really"

learn to spell


and most of the sinn fein leaders have something to do with the IRA from the past, tbh they are alot like the Nazis from that whole Nazi Germany time.

Sarah
19-03-2009, 11:32 PM
No that's just being from a country that can't accept others, their religions or their beliefs.

I dont see how the UK cannot accept others, their religions or there beliefs where the UK is more a multicultural country than ever before in my view.
As you are saying saying her country you are also insulting the UK as NI is apart of the UK.

PaulMacC
19-03-2009, 11:34 PM
but its not still Ireland as we are part of the UK and we are classed as British ;)........
Your classing the whole of Northern Ireland based on that, I have an Irish passport, surely that doesnt classify me as British. Im sure others have the same.

I dont really mind if Ireland stays as it is, I agree that fighting for it is wrong and there is a more peaceful way to decide though right now I really dont care.

Absently
19-03-2009, 11:37 PM
Wait, did you say you're not going to agree with somebody who's Catholic or from ROI.. so, just 'cos of their religion you will not agree with them =S even if they're right..?

Cypher-
20-03-2009, 03:40 AM
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Cypher-
21-03-2009, 12:09 AM
Yoshimitsui how are the posts in this thread not offensive to my country? Or to Ireland? Stop jumping the gun and put my comment back up. it was my expression and opinion and of course it was likely to instigate an argument as you put it in the PM. Debates are arguments spoken tactfully.

Abbie.
21-03-2009, 12:11 AM
i dont get why it was removed either, it was the truth

Cypher-
21-03-2009, 12:14 AM
i dont get why it was removed either, it was the truth

Im only going to assume the yoshi guy is English (Im guessing) but it probably hurt his feelings someone said so many horrible things about his magnificent country of obesity murder and terrorist cells :)

no waiii
21-03-2009, 12:21 AM
learn to spell


and most of the sinn fein leaders have something to do with the IRA from the past, tbh they are alot like the Nazis from that whole Nazi Germany time.

Umm no one likes sinn fein they win at most 5 seats at election and spelling dosnt matter

Virgin Mary
21-03-2009, 12:23 AM
Im only going to assume the yoshi guy is English (Im guessing) but it probably hurt his feelings someone said so many horrible things about his magnificent country of obesity murder and terrorist cells :)
hey I remember you from those expose forums

Cypher-
21-03-2009, 12:25 AM
hey I remember you from those expose forums

Awesome, colin's one? Keeping well?

Yoshimitsui
21-03-2009, 12:27 AM
So you call the above post an appropriate comment for a debate? It has nothing to do with the ins and outs of what has happend between countries in the past, but to the forum rules you did and did not follow.

Cypher-
21-03-2009, 12:31 AM
So you call the above post an appropriate comment for a debate? It has nothing to do with the ins and outs of what has happend between countries in the past, but to the forum rules you did and did not follow.

And exactly what did the other guys post have to do with the "ins and outs" Telling us that ireland gave england leprechauns and the colour green? Well kiss my Northern Irish ass, I didnt know those points came up in our politics scheme.

And of course what I said had relevance to the topic, it was truthful and helped to rationalise the points previously made on what they were about and why I made them, you seem a bit slow so maybe you should just go away as you dont seem to grasp what is actually going on here.

P.S. I thought forum mods/super mod's were meant to tell us to "Please keep on topic thanks - Yoshimitsui" Not further pull the conversation away from it :)

-:Undertaker:-
21-03-2009, 01:02 AM
Im only going to assume the yoshi guy is English (Im guessing) but it probably hurt his feelings someone said so many horrible things about his magnificent country of obesity murder and terrorist cells :)

The truth Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland should never have been given their own parliaments. When Labour came to power in 1997 it really spelt the death of the United Kingdom, or the decline in my view. If the Conservatives come to power in 2010 and the SNP hold a referendum on Scottish Independance, sad to say it but the chances are that they might win.

I'm an imperialist and I believe the British Empire did a lot of good for the world and as we all worked together, we beat the Kaiser's German Empire and we beat Hitler's Third Reich. When your united, you are strong.

I don't believe Northern Ireland should leave the United Kingdom, mainly because many think it would get better to be a 'United Ireland', however it wouldn't. Ireland is not a major world player and isn't part of organisations like NATO. Ireland also is majorly supported by the European Union and without the EU funding, Ireland would not have had the boom/investment it had in the last 10 years an of course, now the bubble has burst they will need to lean evermore on the EU which is not a good thing.

It shows the utter arrogance the Irish have already had to deal with, and if Ireland becomes one it just means more Irish people will have to grapple with the arrogance of the EU.



The No vote in Ireland has not solved the problems which the Lisbon Treaty is designed to solve... The European Commission believes the remaining ratifications should continue to take their course... The treaty is not dead. I believe the treaty is alive.
- JOSE MANUEL BARROSO, EUROPEAN COMMISSION PRESIDENT

If you think the United Kingdom is bad/you shouldn't be a part of it, think what it would be like to be under people like that who won't take NO for an answer.

Cypher-
21-03-2009, 01:24 AM
Valid points fort and nice facts and opinions to back them up but the fact of the matter is this: No English citizen really doesnt have a place to debate in this thread simply because you need to be a resident of Northern Ireland to know what you want and to know the effects Ireland's struggle to get our land has had on people you know and places you visit in our beautiful country.

-:Undertaker:-
21-03-2009, 02:19 AM
With all due respect; you have had no struggle. The only struggle has been the United Kingdom (England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland itself) having to right off murderous, evil, vile terrorists from the Republic of Ireland who want a United Ireland, even though the people of Northern Ireland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the United Kingdom.

Cypher-
21-03-2009, 03:18 AM
If you read my post more carefully you would notice I did not say we had a struggle, I was refering to Irelands struggle to get us to form a United Ireland and the toil of this is still taking its effect today, for instance the 3 poor men shot and killed by the PIRA.

I will always be British and Northern Ireland will always be British, No Surrender! :)

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