Habbox Productions/Shows - What went wrong?

[Hecktix]

Habbox Shows were always immensely popular, the shows team in 06/07 filling a 20 space audience for a good hour or two once a week, when Habbox Productions then produced Cinderella Dec 2006, we had hundreds of people queuing to get into the room hours before the start time...

So why did Habbox Productions die out? I'm not actually aware of any changes made to the department after my departure... but yeah what went wrong for it to close?

Images of Olden Days:
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Thread closed by ,Jess, (Forum Super Moderator): Due to the fact that it's gone on to a completely different topic and to prevent any arguments.

[Nixt]

Might I ask if anyone has the video for the Cinderella. That would be a good example.

[Hecktix]

Might I ask if anyone has the video for the Cinderella. That would be a good example.

I can't remember who filmed it I was too busy doing everything else xD

[leah]

You can tell by the old habbo that these were quite a while ago, I guess things change.

[Titch]

As a former manager, i miss it to however the demand for it was no longer there. Shows started in my opinion to become a bit tedious and boring. It was also had to get a full room for the show. It seems habbos dont want to sit around 1 an hour having a laugh anymore.

Miss the good old days, :( Me (under Glen-Powers) Sam, PriceTags, Matt (Test:tube:baby) scott (galaxay). Had some good fun :)

[Immenseman]

what happened? the shows were boring.

[scottish]

As a former manager, i miss it to however the demand for it was no longer there. Shows started in my opinion to become a bit tedious and boring. It was also had to get a full room for the show. It seems habbos dont want to sit around 1 an hour having a laugh anymore.

Miss the good old days, :( Me (under Glen-Powers) Sam, PriceTags, Matt (Test:tube:baby) scott (galaxay). Had some good fun :)

Yeh 'cause you lot got banned leaving me in the room ;L

It's the same as help desk really, HD used to be well popular then its just died to what it is now, people prefer games and such on habbo prefered to watching productions/shows etc.

[nvrspk4]

The Habbo Base changed, much like humanity has changed, now we like instant gratification and Habbos too want instant gratification, they really don't want to sit through a show unless its hugely interesting and even then, a staff member can only capture their interest for so long.

[Titch]

Yeh 'cause you lot got banned leaving me in the room ;L

It's the same as help desk really, HD used to be well popular then its just died to what it is now, people prefer games and such on habbo prefered to watching productions/shows etc.

haha was funny though. Was all sams fualt though for starting it ;)

[leah]

what happened? the shows were boring.
Exactly, I only went to them when they were giving stuff away or had habbo staff there. :P

[Hecktix]

I disagree, there are always ways of capturing people's attention, you just need to find the right way. I understand that society has changed but surely that just requires things to change to suit society and if one thing doesn't work you try another.

It's like with HxHD, clearly it was affected by the lack of need for Help Desks anymore and something was changed to coincide with this.. now look at HxHD - it's quite successful.

The key to shows always used to be audience participation. We based our shows on our audience and in all honesty 'show' was a loose term to use.. because a 'show' implies performing... and we weren't performing at all.. we were just fuelling the audience.. and the audience carried the show... our plans would be basic, but the shows would be extensive due to the audience...

At the end of the day millions of people.. including children who may use Habbo watch TV shows such as Ant & Dec's Saturday night takeaway?

I think this point alone is sufficient evidence that people do find this sort of thing interesting and there must be some sort of rescue plan that could come about.

Habbox's presence on Habbo has decreased, there would usually always be three or four official Habbox rooms FULL on Habbo... now there's just HxHD and maybe an event if one is happening.

You just need to find people dedicated enough to the idea who will try everything possible to grab an audience.. and then let the audience take it from there.

Looking at announcement from the shows last year, I think some of them may have been at inappropriate times.. weeknights tend to bring homework.. saturday is generally a day people spend out... When the smaller Shows Department was around we ran a normal show every friday night then specials on sunday afternoons. We never failed to get an audience.

I just think it's a waste of a lot of peoples' hard work. I'd love to see something done.

[Sammeth.]

The key to shows always used to be audience participation. We based our shows on our audience and in all honesty 'show' was a loose term to use.. because a 'show' implies performing... and we weren't performing at all.. we were just fuelling the audience.. and the audience carried the show... our plans would be basic, but the shows would be extensive due to the audience...

The shows that were held by the department up until the end were these type of shows where we did a basic time plan and that was it. We had certain topics up for discussion and the audience would be the main part of it, we did competitions etc to keep them entertained but the numbers drop and drop and drop and when it gets to the point where you're doing everything you can yet only 6 or 7 people turn up (mostly staff) then I think that's more of an insult to peoples hard work and dedication.


At the end of the day millions of people.. including children who may use Habbo watch TV shows such as Ant & Dec's Saturday night takeaway?

I think this point alone is sufficient evidence that people do find this sort of thing interesting and there must be some sort of rescue plan that could come about.

There is a humongous difference between big budget talkshows and entertainment shows that are produced by people who work in television for a living and are 100% professionals in their trade, than a few teenagers holding a show on a teen social site. Comparing the two is a little over the top.



Habbox's presence on Habbo has decreased, there would usually always be three or four official Habbox rooms FULL on Habbo... now there's just HxHD and maybe an event if one is happening.

There are events every day, HxHD, HxL will have party rooms for its shows. Habbox is very much alive on Habbo Hotel itself. In fact technically Habbox is always present as the main feature of Habbo, trading, goes hand in hand with the rare values which happens to be one of Habbox's best features so there'll always be someone needing or using Habbox alongside Habbo. With the seasons and festivities we always pull out all the stops. In fact in about 4 days you'll notice a huge difference when the details of our Easter Extravaganza will be posted.


You just need to find people dedicated enough to the idea who will try everything possible to grab an audience.. and then let the audience take it from there.

Looking at announcement from the shows last year, I think some of them may have been at inappropriate times.. weeknights tend to bring homework.. saturday is generally a day people spend out... When the smaller Shows Department was around we ran a normal show every friday night then specials on sunday afternoons. We never failed to get an audience.

I just think it's a waste of a lot of peoples' hard work. I'd love to see something done.

It all sounds so easy on paper to say "We can do such and such like this and it will work" but in actual fact is a lot harder than it looks when you start putting things into practice. Habbo changes a lot, and so do the trends that come with it. I think the majority of Habbos don't go on Habbo and think "Ooh, I could do with a nice debate and a talkshow". It's just not what's current.

Maybe one off shows would be good every now and again as a novelty, but I don't think a whole department needs to be dedicated to it.

[luce]

I used to love productions but i can see what Leah and Jake are saying i don't think i would want to sit around for an hour watching people fool around. People comes to events because they know they can win something and it's more interactive. But maybe we could have like shows every so often like the Cinderella or something because they sound really good fun to produce :D

[leah]

It's like with HxHD, clearly it was affected by the lack of need for Help Desks anymore and something was changed to coincide with this.. now look at HxHD - it's quite successful.
Thanks ;)


You just need to find people dedicated enough to the idea who will try everything possible to grab an audience.. and then let the audience take it from there.
The last set of productions staff were extremely dedicated and hardworking, that comment totally undermines their efforts and suggests that they weren't trying hard enough. People just weren't interested anymore.


I just think it's a waste of a lot of peoples' hard work. I'd love to see something done.
I don't see how it is a waste of peoples hard work? The department got closed because it wasn't working, that takes nothing away from how it ran in the past or the staff that put work and effort in?

[PriceTags]

As a former manager, i miss it to however the demand for it was no longer there. Shows started in my opinion to become a bit tedious and boring. It was also had to get a full room for the show. It seems habbos dont want to sit around 1 an hour having a laugh anymore.

Miss the good old days, :( Me (under Glen-Powers) Sam, PriceTags, Matt (Test:tube:baby) scott (galaxay). Had some good fun :)

You were manager for what, a week? A week is barely enough time to call yourself 'a former manager'.

You don't know how disappointed I was when you left, because you always seemed to have a passion for the department and so many good ideas, but you just left to work on your own site. Someone who left after a short moment without making an impact has no right to begin their posts with 'As a former manager...".

[Hecktix]

The shows that were held by the department up until the end were these type of shows where we did a basic time plan and that was it. We had certain topics up for discussion and the audience would be the main part of it, we did competitions etc to keep them entertained but the numbers drop and drop and drop and when it gets to the point where you're doing everything you can yet only 6 or 7 people turn up (mostly staff) then I think that's more of an insult to peoples hard work and dedication.

I've been looking into this and I've been in several discussion rooms on Habbo and I've found a number of lively discussions.. so clearly it's not down to people not wanting to discuss topics.
You refer to competitions to "keep them entertained" - you basically mean give them free stuff to keep them coming. Now I understand that greed in Habbo has grown tremendously, and people do expect free things. The "competitions" within shows shouldn't be "competitions" as such, we've got the competitions department for that, and lets face it if people just wanted to win stuff they would participate in competitions, or events. Shows were to entertain and for some reason the methods used were not entertaining users. When we used to do 'Games' in our Shows, the audience were more lively than the selected participants who may win prizes! In all honesty I think you tried a bit too hard with your shows, they were very often, and I believe this is what people got bored with. In the 6 months I was Manager, we did about 8-10 shows... all packed, and it's fair enough that was a long time ago, but I've seen similar things to this going on around Habbo today, you just need to go in at the precise angle to capture an audience... which correct me if i'm wrong... is what any bloody organisation does... God for crying out loud I work for the Theatre in Lincoln and some groups struggle to bring more than 20 people in, where others have a full house every night. There is always a way to entertain people, we just have to find what that is at the moment.




There is a humongous difference between big budget talkshows and entertainment shows that are produced by people who work in television for a living and are 100% professionals in their trade, than a few teenagers holding a show on a teen social site. Comparing the two is a little over the top.I beg to differ, comparing the two is completely fine... kids (and lets face it, we are dealing with an audience of kids here) aspire to be sat in the audience to these kind of shows... obviously this is a rare opportunity therefore if they find an opportunity to go to a show like this on Habbo, they'll go, and probably come back and try to get involved with the running of it. Habbo is used by so many as a subsitute of Real Life, yes this is a worrying factor however these people are our target audience therefore we must aim to please them.





There are events every day, HxHD, HxL will have party rooms for its shows. Habbox is very much alive on Habbo Hotel itself. In fact technically Habbox is always present as the main feature of Habbo, trading, goes hand in hand with the rare values which happens to be one of Habbox's best features so there'll always be someone needing or using Habbox alongside Habbo. With the seasons and festivities we always pull out all the stops. In fact in about 4 days you'll notice a huge difference when the details of our Easter Extravaganza will be posted.Habbox has no presence on Habbo in comparison to a year or two ago. There is no denying that. Yes rare values will always be a major presence, but lets face it I look for a Habbox room everytime I go on Habbo and usually the place with most people in is HxHD, or an event which is full so you can't really go anyway, and there is no alternative - which there always used to be.



It all sounds so easy on paper to say "We can do such and such like this and it will work" but in actual fact is a lot harder than it looks when you start putting things into practice. Habbo changes a lot, and so do the trends that come with it. I think the majority of Habbos don't go on Habbo and think "Ooh, I could do with a nice debate and a talkshow". It's just not what's current. You think you are some sort of expert in this? I know it's not easy, I spend my life organising events for children in secondary schools, I know the kind of entertainment they like varies week by week.
And no, people don't think "i could do with a debate & a talkshow" but more than often do people think "oh I'm bored I could do with something to do.." then stumble across the room or an advertisement for the show, think it may sound interesting and come in. So what if it's only people floating to start with, you have to build a fan base somehow.


Maybe one off shows would be good every now and again as a novelty, but I don't think a whole department needs to be dedicated to it.A "whole department" was never a lot until it was blown out of proportion by 8Freak8 after my departure in 2006. I had 5 people working on shows :rolleyes: and we were extremely successful.



The last set of productions staff were extremely dedicated and hardworking, that comment totally undermines their efforts and suggests that they weren't trying hard enough. People just weren't interested anymore.

Well people have interests, you've got to keep trying until you find them, people haven't just lost all interest in everything all of a sudden!



I don't see how it is a waste of peoples hard work? The department got closed because it wasn't working, that takes nothing away from how it ran in the past or the staff that put work and effort in?Several people put a lot of effort into shows, myself and managers after me. The department we dragged up to something successful was just chucked down because people became bored with the type of shows being produced... if you have a show which doesn't attract many people, you give up on that show, learn from your mistakes and build another, and you keep going until you find one that generates a small audience, then you keep going along that line, and the small audience will invite more people, and through word of mouth you become popular again.

Habbox Productions was never turned into what myself & 8Freak8 planned, infact you never changed it from Habbox Shows, so stop calling it Habbox Productions as that was a name I gave to a department which was going to be built, which never got built... it just remained as a small Shows department, and I dont think the majority of people referring to "Habbox Productions" know what Habbox Productions even was - this is the work that was wasted. And in all honesty, Habbox Shows produced the biggest Habbox event ever to be held on Habbo.. yet there is nothing to recall this, or celebrate it apart from a small paragraph on the website.

[Sammeth.]

You think you are some sort of expert in this? I know it's not easy, I spend my life organising events for children in secondary schools, I know the kind of entertainment they like varies week by week.

Well... yeah I kinda do. I was management of the department for all of 2007, and mid 2008 up until its closure. I've also spent the last two years of my life in college learning about childcare which pretty much revolved around activities for 0-16 year olds, child psychology, importance of play and the such like, so I know a bit about that too, heck I'm qualified in it if anything.

Im not going to individually pick out points and post counter-counter arugments to them as I'll simply be repeating what I've already said and I will always stick by what I say. After being with the department so long, especially through its later days it was clear to anyone that it wasnt what it used to be. There were discussions of closing it which I didn't know about but I suggested it myself and so that was that.

What I do find baffling is that although you do post quite a bit round the forum and are still active enough, its taken you 6 months from the closure of the department to actually start saying and doing something. As you can see from the posts in this thread you are in quite a minority, and I welcome you to create a poll to see just how many people are interested in seeing this department reopen. Hypothetically if it does actually reopen or something comes of it, I think you would be one of few people to turn up to watch it as part of the audience along with a larger amount of empty seats.

[Hecktix]

Well... yeah I kinda do. I was management of the department for all of 2007, and mid 2008 up until its closure. I've also spent the last two years of my life in college learning about childcare which pretty much revolved around activities for 0-16 year olds, child psychology, importance of play and the such like, so I know a bit about that too, heck I'm qualified in it if anything.

Learning about it means nothing. Try organising events for 11-16 year olds on a monthly, then you'll understand what they like & don't like.


Im not going to individually pick out points and post counter-counter arugments to them as I'll simply be repeating what I've already said and I will always stick by what I say. After being with the department so long, especially through its later days it was clear to anyone that it wasnt what it used to be. There were discussions of closing it which I didn't know about but I suggested it myself and so that was that.

You were wrong to give up. There would have been a way.


What I do find baffling is that although you do post quite a bit round the forum and are still active enough, its taken you 6 months from the closure of the department to actually start saying and doing something.

I've only been active on this forum again for just over a month, and one of the first things I spoke to Nvrspk about when I started getting involved with Habbox again and he told me some of the arguments presented in this thread and I then researched those arguments to find if these are true, and they are only partly true. Not completely by any means.


As you can see from the posts in this thread you are in quite a minority, and I welcome you to create a poll to see just how many people are interested in seeing this department reopen. Hypothetically if it does actually reopen or something comes of it, I think you would be one of few people to turn up to watch it as part of the audience along with a larger amount of empty seats.

The only reason I am part of a minority is because the majority of the arguments are coming from people who weren't around when Habbox Shows started, so they don't actually know how easy it was, and why people shouldn't give up on it. As for me not turning up to watch, I watched several of your shows ;). And I would be fully supportive of any attempt to kickstart Habbox Shows, I would attend shows and help out in the department if possible.

But no, if Sammeth can't do it nobody can?

[Sammeth.]

Learning about it means nothing. Try organising events for 11-16 year olds on a monthly, then you'll understand what they like & don't like.

I did, as part of the course you had to work in various different schools. Cheers for apparently knowing more about my life than I do though.


But no, if Sammeth can't do it nobody can?

I don't believe anyone in this thread has ever made such a silly assumption and you've picked that out of thin air. Crazy.

One thing that does get me as well is the fact that you were quite friendly with me until you learnt that I wasn't supportive of reopening Habbox Shows/Productions. Since then you've been nothing but aggressive and very rude towards me. If it were ever to reopen, it would be classed as a community department and therefore it would be in my area at Habbox. As dedicated as I am to the community I know for a fact that for the last 6 months we have coped perfectly fine without it, and we can continue to cope without it for many moons to come. It seems so much more hassle than its worth. We have five fantastic community outlets and they all offer very different things. We don't need a sixth. I really doubt that anything will come of this, so I'm sorry for that.

[Titch]

You were manager for what, a week? A week is barely enough time to call yourself 'a former manager'.

You don't know how disappointed I was when you left, because you always seemed to have a passion for the department and so many good ideas, but you just left to work on your own site. Someone who left after a short moment without making an impact has no right to begin their posts with 'As a former manager...".

Excuse me, was manager for over 2 months thank you! and i left to presue my own site which i am still glad i did. Otherwise my site wouldnt be where it is today.

[Hecktix]

I'm not being rude or aggressive I'm simply arguing my point. It's not a case of "omg i dont like u u disagreed with me". I respect your side of the argument... however I disagree.

I think it's a shame Habbox Shows had to close as it had so much going for Habbox, as it was a pretty unique department.

I'm pretty sure there are ways around it, as I have previously said people don't lose interest in absolutely everything, so there will be ways to capture their attention, it may just take time & effort.

However without sufficient support it's not going to go anywhere.. however much that is a shame that something once highly regarded by general management would now not be given a whisper of support.

By the way, Habbox Shows failed miserably in early 2006.. it was regenerated after that.

[Sammeth.]

I'm not being rude or aggressive I'm simply arguing my point. It's not a case of "omg i dont like u u disagreed with me". I respect your side of the argument... however I disagree.

I think it's a shame Habbox Shows had to close as it had so much going for Habbox, as it was a pretty unique department.

I'm pretty sure there are ways around it, as I have previously said people don't lose interest in absolutely everything, so there will be ways to capture their attention, it may just take time & effort.

However without sufficient support it's not going to go anywhere.. however much that is a shame that something once highly regarded by general management would now not be given a whisper of support.

By the way, Habbox Shows failed miserably in early 2006.. it was regenerated after that.
During its life span there were several attempts to shake it up and breathe new life into it and it never seemed to get us that fair. We kept at if for nearly 2 years, so if thats not sticking at it and giving it loads of support I don't know what is. It never really worked as a department and the idea of doing one of pantomimes or shows around festivities does seem appealing but it just doesn't seem to really warrant a department. We tried and tried, kept on trying, and it lasted a long long time. Longer than it should really. It had a very good run. General Management were very supportive at the time however there just isnt much point in trying to bring back the dead in my opinion.

[PriceTags]

Excuse me, was manager for over 2 months thank you! and i left to presue my own site which i am still glad i did. Otherwise my site wouldnt be where it is today.

Glen-powers now productions manager. (Posted February 14th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=455083&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager) Glen-powers resigns from Habbox. (Posted March 5th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=461937&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager)

2 months my eyelash.

And let's not forget this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=492748).


I'm not being rude or aggressive I'm simply arguing my point. It's not a case of "omg i dont like u u disagreed with me". I respect your side of the argument... however I disagree.

I think it's a shame Habbox Shows had to close as it had so much going for Habbox, as it was a pretty unique department.

I'm pretty sure there are ways around it, as I have previously said people don't lose interest in absolutely everything, so there will be ways to capture their attention, it may just take time & effort.

However without sufficient support it's not going to go anywhere.. however much that is a shame that something once highly regarded by general management would now not be given a whisper of support.

By the way, Habbox Shows failed miserably in early 2006.. it was regenerated after that.

I have nothing but negative memories of you as a manager. There was constant favouritism and some ongoing arguments within the department. Let's not forget the time you told Gjay to "read the effing script" and got banned for doing so, and I think that upset Gjay and some of the other staff. I reported you for that, and I got promoted from tree to prince - score!

[Hecktix]

I have nothing but negative memories of you as a manager. There was constant favouritism and some ongoing arguments within the department. Let's not forget the time you told Gjay to "read the effing script" and got banned for doing so, and I think that upset Gjay and some of the other staff. I reported you for that, and I got promoted from tree to prince - score!

My running of Habbox Shows was efficient and smooth according to 8Freak8 and Sierk. 8Freak8's criticism of me was I paid more attention to HxHD which was a shame.

Yes I swore at GJay on the day of the pantomime, after some very stressful events. But may I add this was the only one time? And I don't seem to remember any favouritism? My running of Shows was continuously praised by General Management... so I can't have been doing that much wrong.

Edit: There were no arguments within Shows, all ongoing arguments were within HxHD.
Strange considering I seem to remember you as an active & fluent member of the Shows team for quite some time... and you never complained then?

[PriceTags]

My running of Habbox Shows was efficient and smooth according to 8Freak8 and Sierk. 8Freak8's criticism of me was I paid more attention to HxHD which was a shame.

Yes I swore at GJay on the day of the pantomime, after some very stressful events. But may I add this was the only one time? And I don't seem to remember any favouritism? My running of Shows was continuously praised by General Management... so I can't have been doing that much wrong.

Strange considering I seem to remember you as an active & fluent member of the Shows team for quite some time... and you never complained then?

The whole atmosphere in the department was very glum and I felt I was very undervalued at times. I didn't complain to you for fear of getting my head bitten off, so I thought I'd try and prove myself instead, but I did complain to general management at around Christmas time that year, and I made some other members of staff aware that I did so, and some of them decided to do so themselves.

The shows department was very depressing in comparison to articles which had a lovely atmosphere and everyone was friendly and constructive, and that was thanks to our managers over the time I was there. You could argue that that was due to the contrasting nature of the two departments, (one dealt with outside promotion of Habbo and entertaining people by getting them involved at 7pm on a Thursday and the other was writing interesting articles once or twice a week) but Sam managed to run what was effectively the same department in a way where there was a sense of community and everyone wanted to help.

[Bomb-Head]

I have nothing but negative memories of you as a manager. There was constant favouritism and some ongoing arguments within the department. Let's not forget the time you told Gjay to "read the effing script" and got banned for doing so, and I think that upset Gjay and some of the other staff. I reported you for that, and I got promoted from tree to prince - score!

I disagree here - Oli was always a fantastic Manager. The whole swearing at GJay was blown way out of proportion and was a one off incident after a very stressful time.

I won't comment on Productions though as I am a noob in that area!

[Hecktix]

I disagree here - Oli was always a fantastic Manager. The whole swearing at GJay was blown way out of proportion and was a one off incident after a very stressful time.

I won't comment on Productions though as I am a noob in that area!

Thanks David :)
I know I ran Shows well so PriceTags stop criticising it, there was no 'glum' feeling in the Shows Department.. well apart from that time Vicky-Lou ran it for me for a month...

[PriceTags]

Thanks David :)
I know I ran Shows well so PriceTags stop criticising it, there was no 'glum' feeling in the Shows Department.. well apart from that time Vicky-Lou ran it for me for a month...

I'm not criticising the department without reason - I found you very intimidating and very arrogant - and the above post just confirms that. The department itself was well run, but the morale in the department was awful. Vicky wasn't the most amazing manager, but the atmosphere was a bit nicer when she was managing for a bit, because she cared for the staff.

[Hecktix]

I cared for my staff. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. Within my Habbox Shows the staff worked together to put on the shows, everybody was given equal responsibility and everybody participated. If anybody had any problems all they had to do was PM me.. which they did.. Shows was always very relaxed, calm & smooth.

Can't say the same for HxHD when I ran that... but I will defend shows until I go blue in the face.

[PriceTags]

I cared for my staff. You clearly do not know what you are talking about. Within my Habbox Shows the staff worked together to put on the shows, everybody was given equal responsibility and everybody participated. If anybody had any problems all they had to do was PM me.. which they did.. Shows was always very relaxed, calm & smooth.

Can't say the same for HxHD when I ran that... but I will defend shows until I go blue in the face.

You did do a great deal of good for the department, but when anything that wasn't a normal show came up, the same few people were selected to do it. If I was as good as you say, why was I cast as a tree in the panto?

[Hecktix]

You did do a great deal of good for the department, but when anything that wasn't a normal show came up, the same few people were selected to do it. If I was as good as you say, why was I cast as a tree in the panto?

The only two shows which were "not normal" were the HxHD show, which was given to the show staff who were also HxHD staff plus a few HxHD staff members and then the Panto.

The Panto was Cast on a first-come first-served basis and then checked over by 8Freak8 - who agreed the final cast list. I apologise if you were insulted to be cast as a tree however we tried our hardest to ensure anybody who wanted to be in it, could be in it. It's worth remembering that positions were available to ALL Habbox Staff.

Other than that normal shows were on a rota, as you very well know.

[Immenseman]

It was crap Oli, get over it. It's hardly beneficial to Habbox anyway. I attended every show in the last year or whatever and I even got a special sticky :D lol. They weren't great. The problem was people don't want to listen to Habbo's that are as thick as **** and couldn't maintain a debate.

One thing I do agree with you is that Habbox only has an influence on Habbo with Rare Values. That never used to be this case but it is now. I would say the most influential fansites on Habbo are HFFM and ClubHabbo and CH doesn't even have their own site anymore! I think that has been the case for a good year or so and that's why CHF will probably expand a lot quicker than HxF as will HFFM. However, don't even try that argument because hardly any of Habbox higher management use habbo often and if they do they just sit in HxHD. They have no idea about Habbo to be quite frank.

[Sammeth.]

It was crap Oli, get over it. It's hardly beneficial to Habbox anyway. I attended every show in the last year or whatever and I even got a special sticky :D lol. They weren't great. The problem was people don't want to listen to Habbo's that are as thick as **** and couldn't maintain a debate.

One thing I do agree with you is that Habbox only has an influence on Habbo with Rare Values. That never used to be this case but it is now. I would say the most influential fansites on Habbo are HFFM and ClubHabbo and CH doesn't even have their own site anymore! I think that has been the case for a good year or so and that's why CHF will probably expand a lot quicker than HxF as will HFFM. However, don't even try that argument because hardly any of Habbox higher management use habbo often and if they do they just sit in HxHD. They have no idea about Habbo to be quite frank.
HxHD has increased in popularity compared to what it was last year, and our events get great attendance as do parties held by DJs. The radio has a very large fan base on Habbo, which is great. Of course we can still be improving but I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be.

[Immenseman]

HxHD is up and down depending who is in there. Events are much better in my opinion. HxL I wouldn't know because I'd never go to a party room. Take Rare Values away and Habbox wouldn't be all that great. ClubHabbo and HFFM have a better managed Forum and most people are forced to listen to HxL when they go on Habbox.com for other means.

[Sammeth.]

Which, if they didnt want to stay tuned in, they would mute. It get a lot of listeners who are willing to keep listening and its a very popular department. Of course Rare Values are a corner stone of Habbox but its by no means great itself, but its steadily progressing. I can't speak for the forum though as I don't make many Earth shattering decisions regarding how its ran - but it does well I think otherwise people wouldn't keep coming back surely.

[Immenseman]

Which, if they didnt want to stay tuned in, they would mute. It get a lot of listeners who are willing to keep listening and its a very popular department. Of course Rare Values are a corner stone of Habbox but its by no means great itself, but its steadily progressing. I can't speak for the forum though as I don't make many Earth shattering decisions regarding how its ran - but it does well I think otherwise people wouldn't keep coming back surely.
I get tuned into HxL so I just turn the volume down like many others do thus we're still counted as a listener although we'd rather eat a dead rat. I don't think the forum is poorly ran because at the end of the day we're all teenagers. It just changes too often, sometimes it'll all be serious and treat it like a business and then other times higher management will just have obvious favourites. The day that everyones complaints and feedback are treated the same will be a good day.

[Sammeth.]

Well HxL does get a lot of listeners, a huge load of listeners that are willing listeners which is clearly evident from the sheer amount of requests that get sent in per show and how quickly party rooms manage to fill up, but as you said you wouldn't know cus you don't go to that sort of stuff. There'll never be a day when everyone happy with everything so I guess thats why things change a bit. Gotta try and appeal to as many people as possible seeing as appealing to everyone is out of the question. Can't say I'm one for favourites.

[Immenseman]

Everyone has favourites, you can say you don't but you do. If someone called !x.xJakex.x! made a thread in feedback with an idea and the English and written communication was crap and then MissAlice made one with the same idea in fluent English people would listen to that one a lot more because she is a respected member of the forum. Merely an example.

[Sammeth.]

Everyone has favourites, you can say you don't but you do. If someone called !x.xJakex.x! made a thread in feedback with an idea and the English and written communication was crap and then MissAlice made one with the same idea in fluent English people would listen to that one a lot more because she is a respected member of the forum. Merely an example.
I wouldn't let any friendships or anything influence any decisions made within departments though, is what I meant by that.

[Hecktix]

'Fraid to say it's human nature to be biased. We can't help it nor do we realise what we are doing. It's impossible to be completely impartial.

I like how this is the third argument in the thread though xD.

Jake is right, other fansites do have more of a presence on Habbo now which isn't good :( Habbox used to be King.

HxHD will fill up for half an hour then be empty again... occasionally I'll go in when the room is yellow, go brb for 15 mins come back and be sat on my own! But prime-time is usually good!

I think the main problem has been highlighted by Jake.. and I think the problem highlighted has been a problem for Habbox for a while. This problem being that 90% of the time Habbox General Management don't use Habbo - I don't really blame them afterall they have a lot to do and of course are doing it off their own back. But sometimes they just don't understand what's going on which is a bit of an issue sometimes.

[PriceTags]

It may be impossible to be completely impartial, but it doesn't cost a thing to try anyway.

[Sammeth.]

I can't speak for other General Management but I am very up to date with Habbo. I go on as often as humanly possible, but I have a very time consuming job with Habbox and of course a life. However the job I do for Habbox consumes all Habbo based departments, which helps being in touch with current affairs - so to speak - on Habbo.

[Hecktix]

It may be impossible to be completely impartial, but it doesn't cost a thing to try anyway.

I did try to be impartial when I was a manager. We had very equal opportunities within the shows department. Just because you were cast as a 'tree' in the panto doesn't mean we were choosing favourites, as explained, it was chosen on a first-come first-served basis and finalised by 8Freak8.

[Immenseman]

To be fair to Sam he does come on more than the others but you'd expect that of an AGM which just deals with community. The reason CH lounge used to be a lot more popular than HxHD is because you would see all their management there and even SkaterChu. Imagine sierk being in HxHD? Unthinkable! I understand people are busy but I do hate the "social life" argument because if you don't have the capability to manage your time then you're stuck at a dead end anyway.

[Hecktix]

To be fair to Sam he does come on more than the others but you'd expect that of an AGM which just deals with community. The reason CH lounge used to be a lot more popular than HxHD is because you would see all their management there and even SkaterChu. Imagine sierk being in HxHD? Unthinkable! I understand people are busy but I do hate the "social life" argument because if you don't have the capability to manage your time then you're stuck at a dead end anyway.

You are spot on here Jake :)

[leah]

Excuse me, was manager for over 2 months thank you! and i left to presue my own site which i am still glad i did. Otherwise my site wouldnt be where it is today.
whats it called again? :S

Glen-powers now productions manager. (Posted February 14th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=455083&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager) Glen-powers resigns from Habbox. (Posted March 5th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=461937&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager)

2 months my eyelash.

And let's not forget this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=492748).



I have nothing but negative memories of you as a manager. There was constant favouritism and some ongoing arguments within the department. Let's not forget the time you told Gjay to "read the effing script" and got banned for doing so, and I think that upset Gjay and some of the other staff. I reported you for that, and I got promoted from tree to prince - score!
oh Jack I love you. Im sure you would have been an amazing tree.

I disagree here - Oli was always a fantastic Manager. The whole swearing at GJay was blown way out of proportion and was a one off incident after a very stressful time.

I won't comment on Productions though as I am a noob in that area! you're always a noob deedee


You did do a great deal of good for the department, but when anything that wasn't a normal show came up, the same few people were selected to do it. If I was as good as you say, why was I cast as a tree in the panto?
lol Jacks just bitter cos he didn't want to be a tree.

HxHD is up and down depending who is in there. Events are much better in my opinion. HxL I wouldn't know because I'd never go to a party room. Take Rare Values away and Habbox wouldn't be all that great. ClubHabbo and HFFM have a better managed Forum and most people are forced to listen to HxL when they go on Habbox.com for other means.
HxHD is generally busy from 3 - 10 actually, it's a lot better than it was before and gets a lot more people in there.

I get tuned into HxL so I just turn the volume down like many others do thus we're still counted as a listener although we'd rather eat a dead rat. I don't think the forum is poorly ran because at the end of the day we're all teenagers. It just changes too often, sometimes it'll all be serious and treat it like a business and then other times higher management will just have obvious favourites. The day that everyones complaints and feedback are treated the same will be a good day.
thats strange jake, as there is no volume button on habboxlive... the only thing you can do is stop it which makes you not count as a listener soo...

To be fair to Sam he does come on more than the others but you'd expect that of an AGM which just deals with community. The reason CH lounge used to be a lot more popular than HxHD is because you would see all their management there and even SkaterChu. Imagine sierk being in HxHD? Unthinkable! I understand people are busy but I do hate the "social life" argument because if you don't have the capability to manage your time then you're stuck at a dead end anyway.
---MAD--- used to come in HxHD loads
step up nvr :eusa_ange

[Hecktix]

---MAD--- used to come in HxHD loads
step up nvr :eusa_ange


LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Mad on habbo "loads" ahahah you do make me laugh.

8Freak8 constantly came on Habbo and HxHD died when he stopped coming on as much...

I see a pattern there...

[Immenseman]

HxHD is generally busy from 3 - 10 actually, it's a lot better than it was before and gets a lot more people in there.
I actually agree. HxHD is better but I see that as a direct correlation with the fact CH no longer has it's own site and there are no Habbo eXperts.


thats strange jake, as there is no volume button on habboxlive... the only thing you can do is stop it which makes you not count as a listener soo...
silly me! i forgot i could alter the sound on my laptop :rolleyes: ouch.

[Sammeth.]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Mad on habbo "loads" ahahah you do make me laugh.

8Freak8 constantly came on Habbo and HxHD died when he stopped coming on as much...

I see a pattern there...
You mean cus now the current owner goes in there a lot its alive n kickin?! That kind of pattern :D

[Immenseman]

The only people I see in HxHD a lot and I'm in there daily are:
Josh
Leah
Joe

There are others like me who are in there daily but I'd hardly say any one else is in there loads.

[Hecktix]

You mean cus now the current owner goes in there a lot its alive n kickin?! That kind of pattern :D

No darling the pattern of which the General Manager of Habbox goes there and its alive & kickin :P

If Sierk was in HxHD i'm pretty sure it'd be full all the time...

[leah]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Mad on habbo "loads" ahahah you do make me laugh.

8Freak8 constantly came on Habbo and HxHD died when he stopped coming on as much...

I see a pattern there...
seeing as you were too busy playing habbo big brother or something at the time then you don't know when ---MAD--- came in or not, he had a spell where he would visit the desk regularly, he even had his own casino.

I actually agree. HxHD is better but I see that as a direct correlation with the fact CH no longer has it's own site and there are no Habbo eXperts.I don't, most of the people in aren't asking for help and people from CH don't come in unless they follow you.



silly me! i forgot i could alter the sound on my laptop :rolleyes: ouch. yeh cos you'd do that instead of pausing HxL...


The only people I see in HxHD a lot and I'm in there daily are:
Josh
Leah
Joe

There are others like me who are in there daily but I'd hardly say any one else is in there loads.
well thats not true, loads of staff are in there often, as is scott :rolleyes:
It's always busy, thats like saying theres only 3 most of the time when that most certainly isn't the case.

[FlyingJesus]

Sierk isn't the GM

[Hecktix]

seeing as you were too busy playing habbo big brother or something at the time then you don't know when ---MAD--- came in or not, he had a spell where he would visit the desk regularly, he even had his own casino.


I remember that time very well.
He had only just turned GM if I remember rightly, as he would speak to me on MSN. It didn't last for long though did it!!!???:rolleyes:


Sierk isn't the GM

I do know that Thomas, I was mentioning sierk in reference to something Jake said about Sierk, but just for you..

If Nvrspk4 was in HxHD (and not brb), actively talking, the place would be nearly packed. I say nearly because Habbox isn't as popular as it used to be.

[FlyingJesus]

Well in that case it'd be useful probably if Leah was actually talking in there ever and not just afk dancing :P

This has deviated somewhat from the original discussion, let's move back to productions because I want to see more of Jack's hilarious posts

[Immenseman]

seeing as you were too busy playing habbo big brother or something at the time then you don't know when ---MAD--- came in or not, he had a spell where he would visit the desk regularly, he even had his own casino.
I don't, most of the people in aren't asking for help and people from CH don't come in unless they follow you.

nice to see the hxhd manager come across nice and mature :eusa_clap


yeh cos you'd do that instead of pausing HxL...

yes i would rather scroll something along then move the mouse and click a button. babe, you're making no sense especially when you don't know my laptop. i'll take a pic if you want :rolleyes:



well thats not true, loads of staff are in there often, as is scott :rolleyes:
It's always busy, thats like saying theres only 3 most of the time when that most certainly isn't the case.

if you had the capability of reading you'd understand i said they were the only three who were in there for hours. yes, scott also but i was under the impression he was banned. not that it actually stopped him due to the lack of control you have in hxhd.

[Hecktix]

nice to see the hxhd manager come across nice and mature :eusa_clap

I was going to say that but I think it would be being a bit hypocritical :rolleyes::rolleyes::D

[Immenseman]

I was going to say that but I think it would be being a bit hypocritical :rolleyes::rolleyes::D
it's not hypocritical coming from me at all it would be from you, yes :P my behaviour is second to none :lol:

[Sammeth.]

Would just like to say that its hard for nvrspk4 to be in the desk at peak times due to the timezones and stuff like that, he comes on quite late so if he turned up there wouldn't be many people there for him to talk to. Which is expected at like 3am when very few habbos inhabit the hotel :8

[FlyingJesus]

Jake you're forgetting that Leah knows people better than they know themselves. I made that mistake yesterday when I told her I didn't like someone and she made a point of noting that I don't know them - I was pretty sure I'd seen enough of them around to make an opinion but apparently I was much mistaken there, thank god she corrected me.

[Immenseman]

Jake you're forgetting that Leah knows people better than they know themselves. I made that mistake yesterday when I told her I didn't like someone and she made a point of noting that I don't know them - I was pretty sure I'd seen enough of them around to make an opinion but apparently I was much mistaken there, thank god she corrected me.
Silly me :eusa_wall

[Hecktix]

Would just like to say that its hard for nvrspk4 to be in the desk at peak times due to the timezones and stuff like that, he comes on quite late so if he turned up there wouldn't be many people there for him to talk to. Which is expected at like 3am when very few habbos inhabit the hotel :8

Fair point.
Nevertheless, a presence of General Management on Habbo would be good.

Unfortunately that can't be helped :(


oh & leah, I assure you MAD did not use Habbo around the time of Habbo Big Brother - this was near the end of MADs run as GM.

[buttons]

It's like with HxHD, clearly it was affected by the lack of need for Help Desks anymore and something was changed to coincide with this.. now look at HxHD - it's quite successful.
it's not successful, it's only ever staff or the regulars that are in with jakes occasional egfs ;) and even then it's just petty little arguments or the annoying little ***** with that come in to bum each other, for serious.
I used to love productions but i can see what Leah and Jake are saying i don't think i would want to sit around for an hour watching people fool around.
what? i can sit in hxhd for an hour and that's exactly what i do, watch people fool around.

Glen-powers now productions manager. (Posted February 14th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=455083&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager) Glen-powers resigns from Habbox. (Posted March 5th 2008) (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=461937&highlight=Glen-Powers+manager)

2 months my eyelash.

And let's not forget this (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=492748).



I have nothing but negative memories of you as a manager. There was constant favouritism and some ongoing arguments within the department. Let's not forget the time you told Gjay to "read the effing script" and got banned for doing so, and I think that upset Gjay and some of the other staff. I reported you for that, and I got promoted from tree to prince - score!
lol i knew someone would bring up that last link. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about, does it? It's not really fair to use stuff against someone when it's nothing they're talking about. If he was worthy enough to be manager then why shouldn't he have that "title" ??. There's always gonna be favourtism wherever you go, it happens in hxhd atm. Someone says something you'll get a "stop being rude" when the other person is the aggressor, it's stupid. I took screenies of some staff swearing 'cause i'm sad like that and obviously it isn't acceptable from a manager but no offence to Leah, she had a racist term in her tags :X not having a go at you but if you're gonna hold that against Oli it isn't fair

There are events every day, HxHD, HxL will have party rooms for its shows.
and it's the same old people that come to them, same people who win. & thank god about HxL getting party rooms.



Thanks David :)
I know I ran Shows well so PriceTags stop criticising it, there was no 'glum' feeling in the Shows Department.. well apart from that time Vicky-Lou ran it for me for a month...
right lol you THINK you ran it well, maybe vicky-lou felt she ran it well too? no-ones allowed to criticise you but it's ok for you to?


Everyone has favourites, you can say you don't but you do. If someone called !x.xJakex.x! made a thread in feedback with an idea and the English and written communication was crap and then MissAlice made one with the same idea in fluent English people would listen to that one a lot more because she is a respected member of the forum. Merely an example.
I agree staff do have favourites on here but that's from all the bum licking that goes on. & if anyone denys any bumlicking too there's examples in loads of feedback threads with just "i agree" or "exactly" not mentioning names but it seems as though some people are only friends with others as they're the only people that will defend them all times. If you dunno who i'm talking bout then forget it but it's so obvious, the few people I can think of that will go against what their friends think because they disagree is you (not bumlicking, it's true), flyingjesus and geraint. Usually if someone goes against me I have this massive crowd that will jump in which seriously irritates me because then it looks like i'm the ring leader of everything that happens, as for staff when I said I didn't like the idea of Leah being Manager or whatever it was I got called a "*****" by one of them on msn which was probably fair enough but what ever happened to freedom of speech

I think the main problem has been highlighted by Jake.. and I think the problem highlighted has been a problem for Habbox for a while. This problem being that 90% of the time Habbox General Management don't use Habbo - I don't really blame them afterall they have a lot to do and of course are doing it off their own back. But sometimes they just don't understand what's going on which is a bit of an issue sometimes.
if you're trying to say they don't know what's going on hxhd, you're right. There's arguments and some of the staff are really ignorant. Some of them hardly ever go behind the desk to help and if anyone asks for help the staff are always be right back or probably just can't be bothered

You mean cus now the current owner goes in there a lot its alive n kickin?! That kind of pattern :D
because they don't half bum lick her.

The only people I see in HxHD a lot and I'm in there daily are:
Josh
Leah
Joe

There are others like me who are in there daily but I'd hardly say any one else is in there loads.
Ben is in there a lot and he's the only one i see even offering help.

seeing as you were too busy playing habbo big brother or something at the time then you don't know when ---MAD--- came in or not, he had a spell where he would visit the desk regularly, he even had his own casino.
It's always busy, thats like saying theres only 3 most of the time when that most certainly isn't the case.
so you're trying to say MAD only came into HXHD when habbo big brother was on? because that wasn't very long, convenient timing then


anyway i don't really know anything bout productions. I remember a show ages ago and i remember it being realllly popular, the entrance was usually on red even when people were in the main (if i'm thinking of the right thing). But when actually inside it was out of control and it just consisted of people being stupid and getting kicked from the room, but when nvr was there it was "well behaved" (except the odd rebels..). I'm not sure his exact position then as I wasn't using hxf at the time but it does kind of show that a bit more authority figures or being more strict i guess is needed for hxhd and would have been for these shows? Like Oli and Jake said, it would be a good idea if more "important" staff were there (and weren't acting immature ;)) to overview things and would keep some people under control
Like you say, habbox would be pretty crappy without their rare values so i guess that kind of shows it's important to have habbo involved more (well it is a habbo fansite) so the shows would be a good idea, worth a try and if you're saying it started failing maybe you just had the wrong people in charge?
or i could be on the completely wrong tracks here

[FlyingJesus]

There's always gonna be favourtism wherever you go

God I hope not lol


if anyone denys any bumlicking too there's examples in loads of feedback threads with just "i agree" or "exactly" not mentioning names but it seems as though some people are only friends with others as they're the only people that will defend them all times.

Exactly, I agree. Wonder who does that though strut wid big brow


if you're trying to say they don't know what's going on hxhd, you're right. There's arguments and some of the staff are really ignorant. Some of them hardly ever go behind the desk to help and if anyone asks for help the staff are always be right back or probably just can't be bothered

Most of the time if I do see staff there they'll be afk, and if not they're just having conversations with regulars. I saw someone ask a fair few times earlier about "pixels" and what that's all about, and no-one helped her. Worse than that, I saw a certain habbo hotel user who's HxHD staff racially abusing some guy just because he was talking about the injustice in Palestine and he happened to disagree

[leah]

Well in that case it'd be useful probably if Leah was actually talking in there ever and not just afk dancing :P

This has deviated somewhat from the original discussion, let's move back to productions because I want to see more of Jack's hilarious posts
Tom, you're never in HxHD so you can't say i'm always afk dancing, I go in there a lot and spend some time looking at msn or on the forum. I never go behind the bar inactive, didn't realise that I was meant to be in the desk staring at the computer screen at all times, my mistake.

nice to see the hxhd manager come across nice and mature :eusa_clap



yes i would rather scroll something along then move the mouse and click a button. babe, you're making no sense especially when you don't know my laptop. i'll take a pic if you want :rolleyes:




if you had the capability of reading you'd understand i said they were the only three who were in there for hours. yes, scott also but i was under the impression he was banned. not that it actually stopped him due to the lack of control you have in hxhd.
Firstly, me immature? really? :rolleyes:
Also the fact that Scott returns to the desk after he is kicked everytime has nothing to do with the staff's control, He is kicked loads but he doesn't give up and it gets tiresome clicking his pixel, then kicking him and repeating this process over and over for sometimes hours.

also Jen, The desk is more social than for help now, if staff are ignoing people then i'd love to see evidence of this as it shouldn't be happening, I haven't seen this though. Staff are also entitled to being away aslong as they don't do it when behind the bar.
I hardly think agreeing with someone is "bum licking" maybe some people raise points that others were going to post so offering support really isn't bum licking.

[Hecktix]

Firstly, me immature? really? :rolleyes:
Also the fact that Scott returns to the desk after he is kicked everytime has nothing to do with the staff's control, He is kicked loads but he doesn't give up and it gets tiresome clicking his pixel, then kicking him and repeating this process over and over for sometimes hours.

You are immature.

And no offence darling but I'm sure it's not too hard to deal with Scott.. it's called PERSERVERANCE. It's not hard to press a button.

Ask Pleke... I used to kick him from HxHD constantly for HOURS. And I have no patience whatsoever so if I can do it you can :S:S:S:S

[leah]

You are immature.

And no offence darling but I'm sure it's not too hard to deal with Scott.. it's called PERSERVERANCE. It's not hard to press a button.

Ask Pleke... I used to kick him from HxHD constantly for HOURS. And I have no patience whatsoever so if I can do it you can :S:S:S:S
Resulting to name calling now? :S
How can you possibly know? You've been in the desk twice in the last week and tried to get rehired? :S I and many others have kicked him for ages and it gets tiresome and he does not give up, im sure he would agree that he doesn't give up. But im sure scott and pleke are exactly the same person so would give up at the exact same time and all.

[Inseriousity.]

Test:Tube:Baby, 2 managers before Sammeth took it over again, was going to do a 'Little Red Riding Hood' and I did some of the script for that. It was actually quite fun and I think it would have interested people because it was given a twist to it (Little Red Riding Hood was a chav, the wolf was an emo... hehe, my idea. It's a modern take of it and has links to youth culture). That's just my opinion though and Mrs.McCall clearly didn't agree because he didn't go ahead with it. I suppose it was fair enough. He'd have had his reasons and there's no point crying over spilt milk. :)

HxTV was then going to be resurrected and I wrote a script for that. If I'd have been able to film it, it might have worked but unfortunately, the workload for that department was huge (writing script, filming script etc) and there was just no work being done by the HxTV staff so that went under. Productions closed with it.

As for HxL and HxHD, I can't comment because I hardly listen and go ask for help so yeah... best to not look like a total prat :P

[Hecktix]

Resulting to name calling now? :S
How can you possibly know? You've been in the desk twice in the last week and tried to get rehired? :S I and many others have kicked him for ages and it gets tiresome and he does not give up, im sure he would agree that he doesn't give up. But im sure scott and pleke are exactly the same person so would give up at the exact same time and all.

It's not calling you... it's just saying the way you spoke to me was clearly very immature.

I've been in the desk every night this week, and i've seen you twice, just like you saw me twice. I'm not going to start saying omg leah is never there because i've only seen you twice, because I'm not in there 24 hours a day so I cannot comment on your attendance as you more than likely are there when I am not, same goes for me.. I am there when you are not.. so don't tell me how many times i've been in HxHD cause I think I can count.

Also, Scott & pleke are not the same person, and pleke used to bring tens of clones in.. and we managed to deal with them sufficiently.

You should be able to enforce your bans, if not they are absolutely pointless and you aren't doing your job properly in that respect.

[leah]

It's not calling you... it's just saying the way you spoke to me was clearly very immature.

I've been in the desk every night this week, and i've seen you twice, just like you saw me twice. I'm not going to start saying omg leah is never there because i've only seen you twice, because I'm not in there 24 hours a day so I cannot comment on your attendance as you more than likely are there when I am not, same goes for me.. I am there when you are not.. so don't tell me how many times i've been in HxHD cause I think I can count.

Also, Scott & pleke are not the same person, and pleke used to bring tens of clones in.. and we managed to deal with them sufficiently.

You should be able to enforce your bans, if not they are absolutely pointless and you aren't doing your job properly in that respect.
They are enforced but we can hardly stop people reloading constantly and loading clones can we?

[Hecktix]

They are enforced but we can hardly stop people reloading constantly and loading clones can we?

I could stop people reloading constantly?

[,Jess,]

I don't see why this thread has gone from talking about bringing productions back to critisizing the Help desk. Anyway I think that the help desk is doing a lot better than it used to, true I am not always in there so I might be talking crap but from my point of view it looks like it is picking up and I have seen people go in there, ask for help and actually get it. The help desk can't turn into the most popular room over night and maybe it won't but people are putting a lot of hard work and effort into it for example with the quizes they are starting to hold on a regular basis.

I see Leah in the desk a lot and like I said I don't go that often, so either it's coincidence that I go in then or she's in there a lot.

On the topic of bringing productions back, I think that Habbo is used more for fun now and going to have a discussion just doesn't appeal. I think I remember people used to turn up and 10 minutes into the show people would leave because they got bored. They might work with big productions every once in a while but bringing the department back completely is not the way to go imo.

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lol i knew someone would bring up that last link. It has nothing to do with what you're talking about, does it? It's not really fair to use stuff against someone when it's nothing they're talking about. If he was worthy enough to be manager then why shouldn't he have that "title" ??. There's always gonna be favourtism wherever you go, it happens in hxhd atm. Someone says something you'll get a "stop being rude" when the other person is the aggressor, it's stupid. I took screenies of some staff swearing 'cause i'm sad like that and obviously it isn't acceptable from a manager but no offence to Leah, she had a racist term in her tags :X not having a go at you but if you're gonna hold that against Oli it isn't fair

Titch was making out that he had this wonderful loyalty to Habbox and he had been manager for 2 months (a whole 19 days!! in reality), so I think my three links were evidence to disprove this. I don't believe Oli was a good manager when it came to the actual staff - the department was run fine in the fact it did what was required of it, but when it came to the staff, I believe he had no idea how to treat us. I think the fact he told me to 'stop criticising his department' and he 'knew' he was running it fine shows that he's not very good at listening and taking other people's views into account.

[scott]

You are immature.

And no offence darling but I'm sure it's not too hard to deal with Scott.. it's called PERSERVERANCE. It's not hard to press a button.

Ask Pleke... I used to kick him from HxHD constantly for HOURS. And I have no patience whatsoever so if I can do it you can :S:S:S:S
Why she should spend the whole time she is in the help desk kicking someone? It gets boring after a while, how you managed to sit for hours kicking someone i have no idea. :rolleyes:


It's not calling you... it's just saying the way you spoke to me was clearly very immature.

I've been in the desk every night this week, and i've seen you twice, just like you saw me twice. I'm not going to start saying omg leah is never there because i've only seen you twice, because I'm not in there 24 hours a day so I cannot comment on your attendance as you more than likely are there when I am not, same goes for me.. I am there when you are not.. so don't tell me how many times i've been in HxHD cause I think I can count.

Also, Scott & pleke are not the same person, and pleke used to bring tens of clones in.. and we managed to deal with them sufficiently.

You should be able to enforce your bans, if not they are absolutely pointless and you aren't doing your job properly in that respect.
I go into the help desk quite a few times on a night i see Leah in there most of the time, dont forget she has Super Staff who can inform her of what is going on if it's really needed.

[leah]

I could stop people reloading constantly?
I can kick everyone except scott actually, most give up after 10 - 20 minutes but he continues to come back and back and back, sorry for not spending hours of my life kicking someone from a helpdesk but I do my best and so do my staff and atm the desk is running well so i'm happy with it.

[Hecktix]

I don't see why this thread has gone from talking about bringing productions back to critisizing the Help desk. Anyway I think that the help desk is doing a lot better than it used to, true I am not always in there so I might be talking crap but from my point of view it looks like it is picking up and I have seen people go in there, ask for help and actually get it. The help desk can't turn into the most popular room over night and maybe it won't but people are putting a lot of hard work and effort into it for example with the quizes they are starting to hold on a regular basis.

I see Leah in the desk a lot and like I said I don't go that often, so either it's coincidence that I go in then or she's in there a lot.

On the topic of bringing productions back, I think that Habbo is used more for fun now and going to have a discussion just doesn't appeal. I think I remember people used to turn up and 10 minutes into the show people would leave because they got bored. They might work with big productions every once in a while but bringing the department back completely is not the way to go imo.

In all honesty it's not criticising the help desk, nor Leah. Just Habbox on Habbo in general :P and leah has got a little defensive :rolleyes:

Do you think the thread should be closed as it's served it's purpose.

edit;; leah... I played with pleke for 45 minutes once, then he gave up (:

[scott]

In all honesty it's not criticising the help desk, nor Leah. Just Habbox on Habbo in general :P and leah has got a little defensive :rolleyes:

Do you think the thread should be closed as it's served it's purpose.

edit;; leah... I played with pleke for 45 minutes once, then he gave up (:
So would you if you were the manager???????

[Hecktix]

So would you if you were the manager???????

Manager of Habbox maybe but if you read through the ******* thread instead of just jumping in and bum-licking you'll read that I earlier said HxHD is successful. We aren't criticising the help desk, just Habbox's presence on Habbo in general.

[leah]

In all honesty it's not criticising the help desk, nor Leah. Just Habbox on Habbo in general :P and leah has got a little defensive :rolleyes:

Do you think the thread should be closed as it's served it's purpose.

edit;; leah... I played with pleke for 45 minutes once, then he gave up (:
You clearly have been criticising me as you said I don't enforce bans, with all the proof of that you have and all. :rolleyes:

[Hecktix]

You clearly have been criticising me as you said I don't enforce bans, with all the proof of that you have and all. :rolleyes:

By no means was the discussion about Habbox in this thead targetted at you or criticising you.. when you decided to get all defensive because you thought Jake & myself were criticising you it then turned into something about you, and you brought the ban thing on yourself and I believe it's fair for me to say you don't enforce bans cause lets face it, if you give in with kicking banned people what's the point in having bans?

If you notice everywhere else I haven't criticised you.... until you said that when I made one small comment which in all fairness is factual.

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also Jen, The desk is more social than for help now, if staff are ignoing people then i'd love to see evidence of this as it shouldn't be happening, I haven't seen this though. Staff are also entitled to being away aslong as they don't do it when behind the bar.
I hardly think agreeing with someone is "bum licking" maybe some people raise points that others were going to post so offering support really isn't bum licking.
well it happens a lot. it has to be said but agreeing with the same few people 24/7 is actually "bumlicking" but i'm not having a go.


I see Leah in the desk a lot and like I said I don't go that often, so either it's coincidence that I go in then or she's in there a lot.
well clearly you're going to back her up, you're her friend and if this isn't favourtism i dont know what is. :)

Titch was making out that he had this wonderful loyalty to Habbox and he had been manager for 2 months (a whole 19 days!! in reality), so I think my three links were evidence to disprove this. I don't believe Oli was a good manager when it came to the actual staff - the department was run fine in the fact it did what was required of it, but when it came to the staff, I believe he had no idea how to treat us. I think the fact he told me to 'stop criticising his department' and he 'knew' he was running it fine shows that he's not very good at listening and taking other people's views into account.
you don't decide who was a good manager no matter how long they were managers or not, you can decide on your own judgement but that's about it.

Why she should spend the whole time she is in the help desk kicking someone? It gets boring after a while, how you managed to sit for hours kicking someone i have no idea. :rolleyes:
because it's the rules, if she can't do her own job then what's the point on even being manager?!

[Titch]

However much i am not getting on with leaahh at the moment i will give her and her team there due, they do try to enforce bans and she does a good job with the HxHD. When i was banned few weeks back david sat there for hour and half kiking me untill i gave up re-loading, and leah sits there for long periods at time kicking scott and others that are banned. They do there best and it does work.

[,Jess,]

In all honesty it's not criticising the help desk, nor Leah. Just Habbox on Habbo in general :P



I do think that Habbox's presence has increased recently though, there's events and I'm pretty sure there's more of them than ever, normally 2 a day and you have HxL with the party rooms and also the events it holds.




well clearly you're going to back her up, you're her friend and if this isn't favourtism i dont know what is. :)



I'm not backing Leah up because I'm her friend it's because that's my opinion and if it wasn't I would have posted differently.

[scott]

Manager of Habbox maybe but if you read through the ******* thread instead of just jumping in and bum-licking you'll read that I earlier said HxHD is successful. We aren't criticising the help desk, just Habbox's presence on Habbo in general.
I have read the thread actually, yeah HxHD is succesful, you were criticsing her department she deffended it, and please why would i need to bum-lick? :rolleyes:

[Hecktix]

I do think that Habbox's presence has increased recently though, there's events and I'm pretty sure there's more of them than ever, normally 2 a day and you have HxL with the party rooms and also the events it holds.

Also I'm not backing Leah up because I'm her friend it's because that's my opinion and if it wasn't I would have posted differently.

The thing is though Jess it's the same people there day in day out, Habbo should be a method of bringing people to Habbox, the only department that does that at the moment is Rare Values.

HxHD used to - doesn't anymore.
Productions used to - doesn't even exist anymore.


But I think Events have always been for the people of Habbox, which I won't criticise because I think this is right :)


DINASAW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD HAVE I CRITICISED HABBOX HELP DESK IF YOU HAD READ IT LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAVE YOU WOULD REALISE THAT.

[myke]

Manager of Habbox maybe but if you read through the ******* thread instead of just jumping in and bum-licking you'll read that I earlier said HxHD is successful. We aren't criticising the help desk, just Habbox's presence on Habbo in general.

Leahs obviously been offended by it....


You clearly have been criticising me as you said I don't enforce bans, with all the proof of that you have and all. :rolleyes:


So would you if you were the manager???????

Therefore making this comment valid.

[Hecktix]

Leahs obviously been offended by it....


Therefore making this comment valid.

Oh my god, how many people are just going to jump in without realising the context of this thread.

READ THE THREAD BEFORE CRITICISING.

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Leahs obviously been offended by it....





Therefore making this comment valid.
lol this is funny. because oli is "arguing" with scotty you felt you needed to come and defend him?
if you were gonna post it could at least be about productions not just butting in like the rest and before you say i've already given what i think about it thx.

[leah]

By no means was the discussion about Habbox in this thead targetted at you or criticising you.. when you decided to get all defensive because you thought Jake & myself were criticising you it then turned into something about you, and you brought the ban thing on yourself and I believe it's fair for me to say you don't enforce bans cause lets face it, if you give in with kicking banned people what's the point in having bans?

If you notice everywhere else I haven't criticised you.... until you said that when I made one small comment which in all fairness is factual.
no because I do enforce them to the best of my ability but I have things on the forum to be doing, managing the help desk doesn't just include sitting there kicking people. for the last hour ive sat and kicked scott, and some clones yet they're still reloading.

well it happens a lot. it has to be said but agreeing with the same few people 24/7 is actually "bumlicking" but i'm not having a go.


because it's the rules, if she can't do her own job then what's the point on even being manager?! Jen, you know im in the desk loads cos I see you in there and I do do my job but as I said above the job doesnt just consist of kicking people over and over again, although I do it regardless.


However much i am not getting on with leaahh at the moment i will give her and her team there due, they do try to enforce bans and she does a good job with the HxHD. When i was banned few weeks back david sat there for hour and half kiking me untill i gave up re-loading, and leah sits there for long periods at time kicking scott and others that are banned. They do there best and it does work.
Thanks.

[,Jess,]

The thing is though Jess it's the same people there day in day out, Habbo should be a method of bringing people to Habbox, the only department that does that at the moment is Rare Values.

HxHD used to - doesn't anymore.
Productions used to - doesn't even exist anymore.


But I think Events have always been for the people of Habbox, which I won't criticise because I think this is right :)


DINASAW FOR CRYING OUT LOUD NOWHERE IN THIS THREAD HAVE I CRITICISED HABBOX HELP DESK IF YOU HAD READ IT LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAVE YOU WOULD REALISE THAT.

I would say the radio does a good job of bringing people to Habbox (maybe I'm biased) because of the current listeners inviting and events such as the giveaway the otherday. People hear about the values, thats how I found out about Habbox and it's always going to be one of the main things that pulls people in because as said earlier in this thread the rare values are a massive influence on Habbo. I agree about events being for Habbox people but I'm sure they bring people to Habbox as well.

I think people who know about Habbox already are more likely to go to the help desk though and not the other way around due to the fact it's just become a place to socialise really and normally on Habbo people will be looking for rooms where they can play a game or something instead, not for help as there's the whole Habbo guides thing etc.

[Hecktix]

I would say the radio does a good job of bringing people to Habbox (maybe I'm biased) because of the current listeners inviting and events such as the giveaway the otherday. People hear about the values, thats how I found out about Habbox and it's always going to be one of the main things that pulls people in because as said earlier in this thread the rare values are a massive influence on Habbo. I agree about events being for Habbox people but I'm sure they bring people to Habbox as well.

I think people who know about Habbox already are more likely to go to the help desk though and not the other way around due to the fact it's just become a place to socialise really and normally on Habbo people will be looking for rooms where they can play a game or something instead, not for help as there's the whole Habbo guides thing etc.

So all in all, Habbox doesn't have a huge presence on Habbo?

Not your fault, not Leah's fault... it's just the way it is.

[leah]

Just because productions is closed doesnt mean habbox isnt on habbo as much, HxHD is popular, events are popular and so is HxL not to mention how rare values pulls peole in. Productions was failing, it happened ages ago and habbox is still as strong as ever.