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Jordy
28-03-2009, 11:04 PM
Saw this on another forum and found this rather interesting so I thought I'd share, it basically shows what some people consider as a flaw in the tax system (That's for you to decide).


Every day ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men — the poorest — would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man — the richest — would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six — the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too . . . It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

-:Undertaker:-
28-03-2009, 11:26 PM
I don't believe rich people should be taxed stupid amounts like 45% anyway, I think if you earn your money why should you be taxed more? - Obviously they should be taxed more, but not to stupid amounts.

no waiii
28-03-2009, 11:30 PM
soz nvm dis

Virgin Mary
28-03-2009, 11:30 PM
I don't believe rich people should be taxed stupid amounts like 45% anyway, I think if you earn your money why should you be taxed more? - Obviously they should be taxed more, but not to stupid amounts.
I agree. I don't even get it, how do "poor" people come out with nothing? Realistically the poorest people get masses in benefits from disability/jobseekers to EMA.

N!ck
28-03-2009, 11:35 PM
It's correct. There's no flaw. Tax works on percentages.

If you wanted tax to be 100% fair then you'd have to charge every person an equal, fixed abount of tax. I don't know how much this would be, but i guess it would be at least £20000 per working adult in the UK. People having to pay way more tax than money they earn just wouldn't work lol.

Jordy
28-03-2009, 11:43 PM
There's no realistic alternative to this tax system anyway, so whether it's right or wrong we're pretty much stuck with it regardless.

If you keep taxing the rich ridiculous amounts they'll continue to emigrate to tax-havens so there's really no point as the government will be getting nothing from them then.

It's time that fines in the UK followed percentages though or something similar, you still get fined the same amount for speeding no matter how much you earn, although you do get points on your license, £100 is nothing to some people so the law is hardly punishing.

Virgin Mary
29-03-2009, 12:14 AM
That's a crude assumption. Assuming what people can, can't, will and won't do based on their earnings alone is why taxes and benefits are unfair. Unless they run financial profiling on every individual, there will never be a fair way of doing it. But it's annoying that poor people don't just get on with it. They'll complain about how immigrants "sponge" off their hard-earned wages, yet seem to think it's every right of theirs that a large proportion of their earnings are coming free from the higher earners.

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