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Samishlol
31-03-2009, 08:16 PM
Security experts are downplaying the potential impact of a virus which some believe is set to strike on 1 April.

Conficker has infected up to 15 million computers to date and is set to change the way it works on Wednesday.

There have been some reports the worm could trigger poisoned machines to access personal files, send spam, clog networks or crash sites.

"We don't know what will happen but don't expect anything dramatic," Symantec's Vincent Weafer told the BBC.

He added: "We believe the software is geared towards making money. The characteristic of this type of worm is to keep it slow and low, keep it under the radar to slowly maximise profits over the long term."

Mr Weafer, vice-president of security response at anti-virus firm Symantec, said: "We are going to be on high alert for a long time. Come 2 April we will still be watching while most people will have moved their focus elsewhere."

Origins

Conficker, also known as Downadup or Kido, first appeared last November. The worm is self-replicating and has attacked a vulnerability in machines using Microsoft's Windows operating system, the software that runs most computers.

It can infect machines via a net connection or by hiding on USB memory drives used to ferry data from one computer to another. Once in a computer, it digs deeps, setting up defences making it hard to extract.

Among those affected by the virus have been the House of Commons and the defence forces of the UK, Germany and France.

The reason for the hype and the concern around Conficker is that 1 April is the day the worm is set to change the way it updates itself, moving to a system that is much harder to combat.

Five months ago a consortium of web security firms banded together to form the Conficker Working Group, to learn more about the worm and to try to stop it.

Last weekend the team located what they call a "fingerprint" or "signature" for the virus that means they can detect how an infected machine can be identified on a network much quicker than previously.

Security researcher Dan Kaminsky, a member of the group and director of penetration testing at IOActive, told the BBC this was a major breakthrough.

"We know these bad guys are in places they really shouldn't be. With this new trick it is much easier to find them. It means we can say, OK, I don't know what will happen but I can tell you 10,000 systems are under the control of the bad guys and here they are."

Lucrative

While no-one in the industry is 100% sure of the aim of Conficker, they are positive the people behind it are more concerned about making money than causing mayhem.

That is a view backed by PC Magazine editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff.

"People write malware today not because they want to make a public splash. It's old school to want to make computer screens turn red and say Love Bug.

"Today crime syndicates run these things because they are interested in making money and if they are not making money there is no point in it."

A recent report by security firm Finjan claimed that cybercrime is as lucrative a business as drug trafficking.

Its Cybercrime Intelligence Report found that a single hacker could make as much as $10,800 (£7,300) a day, which the company extrapolated to $3.9m (£2.6m) a year.

Finjan's chief technology officer Yuval Ben-Itzhak said: "Cybercrime today is a very, very big business and those behind Conficker have spent a lot of money organising, writing code and securing these machines so they will be looking for a return soon.

"This type of cybercrime activity is here to stay and will grow because there is so much money involved and its hard to get caught."

"Arms race"

In February Microsoft put up a bounty of $250,000 to anyone who could help identify those behind Conficker. It also issued patches to address the vulnerability.

Industry experts say consumers and companies should regularly update their security software and apply Windows updates as well as protect computers and files with strong passwords.

Symantec has issued a free trial version of its products that will detect and remove the worm.

VeriSign, one of the guardians of the networked world, believes these bugs exist because the general level of security is just not high enough.

"This is a testament to making consumer products useable and user friendly, which means security has to be relaxed a little," said VeriSign's chief technology officer Ken Silva.

"If all the security measures were deployed that should be deployed, they would become too annoying and too difficult for most consumers."

Many in the industry describe Conficker as one of the worst worms they have seen for years and certainly one of the more aggressive.

"This is an arms race," said Mr Kaminsky. "We have to find these guys. We have done it in the past. I can do what I can as a geek but there is as much need for law enforcement and state action as there is for technical creativity.

"But people should feel good because the good guys are working to stop these bad guys."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7973131.stm

Sounds really serious! I hope I don't get it LOL

Kipp
31-03-2009, 08:19 PM
That sounds horrible and serious !!!!!!

Laggings
31-03-2009, 08:24 PM
Yeah, I'm looking forward to what is going to happen. The possibility of having 15M computers under your control is endless. You could ddos, steal passwords, mass email attacks. It's going to be AMAZING :O

GommeInc
31-03-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm interested to know how they think the baddies are doing it for money... They don't seem to explain...

Laggings
31-03-2009, 09:55 PM
Then you must really have no idea what 15M computers can do at one time.
It could ultimatly shutdown 100's of 1000's of websites at a single time. If it was a DDOS, or even stealing person information from computer, it could be terrible, and ultimatly profit for the baddies.

J0SH
31-03-2009, 10:10 PM
It's probably an April Fools joke, notice how it's set to start on 1st of April, how would they get an exact date of a bug spread, and it's on the 1st of April!! I so believe this.

Laggings
31-03-2009, 10:58 PM
Omg you seriously must not know anything about virus'. You can make a virus to run something(s) on a certain date, either by your computer clock or an online one. It's not an Aprils Fools joke, believe me.

J0SH
31-03-2009, 11:02 PM
Bit funny how the virus spreads on 1st of April, and you can't comment on that article, yet I can comment on others.. :rolleyes:

Laggings
31-03-2009, 11:30 PM
It doesn't 'spread' on April First. It's BEEN spreading, it changes what it does on April First. :L


Conficker has infected up to 15 million computers to date and is set to change the way it works on Wednesday.

J0SH
31-03-2009, 11:42 PM
Obviously it's an April Fools joke, they're scaring 15 million people into thinking their machine isn't clean and it's going to change the way it works on April Fools day.. Wow you're gullable.

Wootzeh
31-03-2009, 11:47 PM
I'm interested to know how they think the baddies are doing it for money... They don't seem to explain...
They can rent it out to people to perform DDOS attacks for example.

GommeInc
31-03-2009, 11:53 PM
Then you must really have no idea what 15M computers can do at one time.
It could ultimatly shutdown 100's of 1000's of websites at a single time. If it was a DDOS, or even stealing person information from computer, it could be terrible, and ultimatly profit for the baddies.
And they/you know it's for profit, because? And they will make a profit how? Enlighten me :P


They can rent it out to people to perform DDOS attacks for example.
Surely they can't trust anyone they talk to about renting it out for DDOS attacks? The risk of being caught by any sort of authority seems too great a risk...

Laggings
01-04-2009, 12:42 AM
Does 'personal information' ring a bell? If they compromise 15M computers, keylog or steal personal password files, that's an instand what, 15M? And they could sell the passwords to people who black hat easy.

Favourtism
01-04-2009, 10:42 AM
Im waiting for some noob to start saying its *****

Samishlol
01-04-2009, 11:18 AM
The attack failed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7976099.stm

e5
01-04-2009, 11:29 AM
april fools bl8z

Jord
01-04-2009, 12:11 PM
maybe habbox has it lol its been down like 50 times.

Immenseman
01-04-2009, 12:44 PM
lmao jord. nothing has happened yet -yawns

Laggings
01-04-2009, 01:15 PM
Obviously it's an April Fools joke, they're scaring 15 million people into thinking their machine isn't clean and it's going to change the way it works on April Fools day.. Wow you're gullable.

WOW, So every major media group decided to play a joke on 15 million people? Wow, you're gullable. Go google how some virus' work.



The hackers behind the worm, which effectively have all infected machines under their control, have yet to give the virus any specific orders.
But security experts warned that there was no room for complacency.
"We are going to be on high alert for a long time. Come 2 April we will still be watching while most people will have moved their focus elsewhere," said Vincent Weafer, vice president of security response at anti-virus firm Symantec.
He added: "We believe the software is geared towards making money. The characteristic of this type of worm is to keep it slow and low, keep it under the radar to slowly maximise profits over the long term."

Habboish
01-04-2009, 01:17 PM
WOW, So every major media group decided to play a joke on 15 million people? Wow, you're gullable. Go google how some virus' work.


It's called viral marketing, To get more ratings. Seriously.

GommeInc
01-04-2009, 01:20 PM
This reminds me of that crappy film Evan Almighty.

"It's April the first... We're still here... Awkward....!"

Niall!
01-04-2009, 02:41 PM
Conflicker has been around for months and months.

hamheyelliot
01-04-2009, 05:45 PM
'Conficker', which derives from the German for the swear word with four letters... has actually been around since 2000 under the name 'Gimmiv'.

Since then, it has spread from variant A, B, C, which had the intention of spreading themselves and seizing some aspects of infected computers.

The D Variant is now more focused on defending itself, and it cannot spread to other computers at this moment in time; But it is said it will await instruction by randomly generated domains.

You should probably take this a whole lot more seriously. Microsoft is issuing $250,000 to anyone with information on the whereabouts of the creators.

GommeInc
01-04-2009, 11:52 PM
'Conficker', which derives from the German for the swear word with four letters... has actually been around since 2000 under the name 'Gimmiv'.

Since then, it has spread from variant A, B, C, which had the intention of spreading themselves and seizing some aspects of infected computers.

The D Variant is now more focused on defending itself, and it cannot spread to other computers at this moment in time; But it is said it will await instruction by randomly generated domains.

You should probably take this a whole lot more seriously. Microsoft is issuing $250,000 to anyone with information on the whereabouts of the creators.
That's not alot really... They could pay-out more than that.

Absently
01-04-2009, 11:56 PM
Oh on that omegle site thing, somebody started talking about this, and wanted to give people it.. and i didn't know what it was, so i googled.. and they were like ''say goodbye to your precious files'' LOL.

J0SH
02-04-2009, 12:00 AM
WOW, So every major media group decided to play a joke on 15 million people? Wow, you're gullable. Go google how some virus' work.

You're a moron, typical the 'hackers' failed to get the 'virus' to 'work' because it was part of the April Fools joke. :rolleyes:

Laggings
02-04-2009, 12:17 AM
It's called viral marketing, To get more ratings. Seriously.

I can see 1 media company doing it, not everyone! And further more, there was an update on the virus. It up'd it's attempts to phone home to get commands from the creator. It did change itself, just not in the way a lot of people thought.


You're a moron, typical the 'hackers' failed to get the 'virus' to 'work' because it was part of the April Fools joke. :rolleyes:

OMG It was an Aprils Fool Joke that has been around for over 3 years? It's called google, seriously. Google the virus and you'll see it's real. People just overreacted on what it was going to do.

J0SH
02-04-2009, 12:20 AM
The real thing could have been around for years but the article based on that the virus was going to strike 15 million computers yesterday was an April Fools joke, can you not get that into your tiny little brain?

Laggings
02-04-2009, 12:29 AM
The real thing could have been around for years but the article based on that the virus was going to strike 15 million computers yesterday was an April Fools joke, can you not get that into your tiny little brain?

It's not GOING to strike 15M computers, it already has! It was what it was going to do with those 15M computers it already had in it's control. Can you not get that into your tiny little brain?


Security experts are downplaying the potential impact of a virus which some believe is set to strike on 1 April.

Conficker has infected up to 15 million computers to date and is set to change the way it works on Wednesday.

There have been some reports the worm could trigger poisoned machines to access personal files, send spam, clog networks or crash sites.

"We don't know what will happen but don't expect anything dramatic," Symantec's Vincent Weafer told the BBC.

J0SH
02-04-2009, 12:43 AM
Okay let me rephrase that, "the way it'll work on the 15M computers is just part of the April Fools joke." happy?

Laggings
02-04-2009, 12:45 AM
Okay let me rephrase that, "the way it'll work on the 15M computers is just part of the April Fools joke." happy?

B...B...B...But, it did change the way it worked :l It doubled it's attempt to phone home for commands from it's creator.

But yeah, you can easily make a program which will execute a command(s) on a set date and time. I did it with a simple program a while ago, every day at Noon my entire network had a message popup saying they were looking at porn and needed to stop :P

J0SH
02-04-2009, 12:48 AM
I doubt it changed the way it works as someone posted a link a few pages in saying that it didn't happen or whatever :P

Laggings
02-04-2009, 12:56 AM
Sorry, took me a while to find it :S Read it on my cellphone, didn't know where on the internet it'd be.


The malicious Conficker Internet worm got more aggressive about trying to reach its creators Wednesday, but computer security researchers appeared correct in their predictions that the effects would be muted.
The worm's programming included a change in tactics on April 1: The estimated 3 million to 12 million computers infected by Conficker were told to step up their attempts to "phone home" for commands. But that seemed to be the only sign of life from the bug.

So, it did actually change it's tactics, but not to the mass effect that everyone thought it would be.

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/computersecurity/2009-04-01-conficker_N.htm

:D Nice having a little constructive debate on this.

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