General Election 2010

[-:Undertaker:-]

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Leader: Gordon Brown
Current Position: Her Majestys Government


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Leader: David Cameron
Current Position: Her Majestys Opposition

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Leader: Nick Clegg
Current Position: Third largest party in United Kingdom.

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(Best poll I could find)

Basically the question is, not who do you support but who do you think will win the next General Election which has to be held at the latest; in 2010. This is not a question of who you support/want to win - but who you think will win.

Personally I think the Conservatives and I can't wait until the curtain finally falls on this failure of a government, like all Labour Governments.

[Bun]

Labour.

[Ardemax]

if gordon gets us out of this economic meltdown then the polls will turn and labour will be leading the way

[-:Undertaker:-]

if gordon gets us out of this economic meltdown then the polls will turn and labour will be leading the way

Doubt it, after all he was the one who sold most of our gold in 1997 for cheap prices, who has put the state in debt and is continuing to do so. I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.

I just hope for the countries sake we get this government out and get a Conservative government in who will hopefully (like they did in 1979) come in fix the country again.

[Fez]

Its obvious people are looking at Brown, what he's done, shaking their head and turning to Cameron.

In the Daily Mail, they said that Cameron was a "prime minister in waiting"

So I'm betting Conservatives will get to power.

[Jordy]

Doubt it, after all he was the one who sold most of our gold in 1997 for cheap prices, who has put the state in debt and is continuing to do so. I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.

I just hope for the countries sake we get this government out and get a Conservative government in who will hopefully (like they did in 1979) come in fix the country again.You're right but sadly this isn't common knowledge, if all electorates thought like us and knew this then I'd be 100% sure that Labour wouldn't win :P

The reason Labour won the 2005 election was because Michael Howard spent too long in his campaign criticising and attacking Labour continually rather than actually promoting his policies. I worry that this might happen again as David Cameron has showed that he's very good at debating with the PM during PM Questions but lets hope he makes some decent policies, doesn't get scared away from topics such as the EU and immigration and most importantly, makes us aware of his parties policies.

And two other reasons they won the election were the Tories were no better as they too supported the war in Iraq but the main thing is The Sun won the election for Labour. People don't just read the news in this country, they believe it and follow it. The Sun (and The Times and presumably more papers) encouraged people to vote Labour in the elections and gave biased news in the run-up to the general elections therefore 'swaying' their readers.

The Sun, The Times and Sky are all part of Rupert Murdoch's media enterprise and basically Tony Blair favoured Sky in some of his decisions and in return, the media group favoured Labour during the General Election. An example of this was the government giving the contract to watch Cricket on TV to Sky Sports.

The media dictates Politics in this country therefore I'm not sure on who will win the next election and although everyone's saying Gordon Brown is shocking I wouldn't rule him out at all.

[Ardemax]

I wouldn't mind a new Prime Minister, but seriously, Cameron?
The guy who needs a trike to get into work and needs his MP's to tie his laces?
That Cameron? :lol:

[Agnostic Bear]

Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.

[Ardemax]

Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.


their leader certainly won't be using public transport to get there!

[-:Undertaker:-]

You're right but sadly this isn't common knowledge, if all electorates thought like us and knew this then I'd be 100% sure that Labour wouldn't win :P

The reason Labour won the 2005 election was because Michael Howard spent too long in his campaign criticising and attacking Labour continually rather than actually promoting his policies. I worry that this might happen again as David Cameron has showed that he's very good at debating with the PM during PM Questions but lets hope he makes some decent policies, doesn't get scared away from topics such as the EU and immigration and most importantly, makes us aware of his parties policies.

And two other reasons they won the election were the Tories were no better as they too supported the war in Iraq but the main thing is The Sun won the election for Labour. People don't just read the news in this country, they believe it and follow it. The Sun (and The Times and presumably more papers) encouraged people to vote Labour in the elections and gave biased news in the run-up to the general elections therefore 'swaying' their readers.

The Sun, The Times and Sky are all part of Rupert Murdoch's media enterprise and basically Tony Blair favoured Sky in some of his decisions and in return, the media group favoured Labour during the General Election. An example of this was the government giving the contract to watch Cricket on TV to Sky Sports.

The media dictates Politics in this country therefore I'm not sure on who will win the next election and although everyone's saying Gordon Brown is shocking I wouldn't rule him out at all.

I thought Michael Howards campaign was smoothly run, after all he did increase the Conservatives popularity and number of seats considerably and did increase number of votes for Conservatives which nearly matched up to Labour in polls. Yes your right though, Labour are excellent spin doctors the way they operate.

Tories were no better, but then again Labour did provide the dodgy dossier which said Saddam Hussein could launch a nuclear attack within 45 minutes; which was an utter lie. As for the newspapers your right again, and especially the BBC I thought were biased in the 2005 General Election towards Labour, after all they are a left-wing leaning organisation and Labour being in power is better than anyone who has anything to do with their ex-enemy, Margaret Thatcher.

He could win sure, but I think if he does I will be so amazed at how anyone can vote these people in again after 11 years of lies, red tape, debt, war and absurd tax. I just want it to end.


Conservatives need to get in to power, get labour out and fix up the country.

Couldn't of put it better myself, yet again the Conservatives will have to pick up and repair the broken mess a Labour government has created.

EDIT: In reply to Ardemax, is that another attempt by a Labour supporter to try pass the Conservatives off as toffs? - maybe thats why John Prescott had two jaguars, really working class of him wasn't it?

[Bun]

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

[Fez]

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?
We don't know yet do we.

[-:Undertaker:-]

you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

I'd put more faith in him than the man who sold 60% of our gold reserves when gold prices were at a 20 year low, not to mention the fact he told international markets when he was selling the gold, causing gold prices to plummit before he even sold.

Afterall, who was it in the 1980's who had to correct and save the United Kingdoms economy after years of post-war neglect and the terrible winter of discontent and mis-management of the economy by the Labour government which led to us having to go capin-hand to the IMF.

It was a Margaret Thatcher who saved us, a conservative.

[Flora]

I think (and hope) that the Conservatives will win the next general election.

[FlyingJesus]

Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

I agree they are too similar now, but I do think the major difference between Labours socialist stance and a Conservative stance will be government red tape. I think with a Conservative government the erosion of our freedoms and rights will pause, until ultimatley another Labour government gains power again and sets up new databases/bureaucratic laws.

[Technologic]

Tories blates. Who would vote for the gelatinous blob we call Prime Minster? The man didn't even win an election...

Also, the government does **** all, it's the civil services that run this country

[Fez]

I looked on the web about how Gordon Brown being the choice of Prime Minister, looks like Tony Blair just left everyone else a month to decide who would be the PM, I think they all pointed at Brown just because he was there.

A couple of months ago, Brown was in talks about holding an early election and refused to do it "because it's pointless", David Cameron replied "he's the only prime minister to ever call off an election because he was afraid he would win it...".

I lol'd.

[Technologic]

We'll be out of this "recession" by next year. Hell, what recession? Sure a few shops closed and quite a few people lost jobs but it's no great depression... Things are already beginnign to pick up again

[Ardemax]

im sorry but if you're actually being serious about david cameron then we may need a chill pill here


how could he get us out of an economic meltdown?

[GommeInc]

Pffft, like any prime minister would make a difference :/ Looking at the policies (or what were the policies) in the past, they were all the same, just worded differently. I really do not know who to vote for, candidates seem to argue amongst themselves rather than address their policies and what they will change - They never clearly state what they will do, they just let the voters pick up the points in scrambled arguments.
Not forgetting how the UK sits as far as EU policies seem to go. Whoever is elected would have to follow EU regulations making seperate parties pretty much void of opinions and policies. You may aswell vote for who has the best voice or looks sexiest, because that's about as much use as you can get :/

/moan over

[FlyingJesus]

Cool you voting for me then Ryan

[Ardemax]

Cool you voting for me then Ryan


unless im in for the running :eusa_hand

[JackBuddy]

Tories, hopefully.

They might be able to apply some common sense that hasn't been seen in parliament for a while now.

[Frodo13.]

Tories will, but I doubt they will get longer then one term in office. I personally don't want a bunch of out of touch s**** running our country, who still havn't proven that they could do any better than the Conservatives at running our country.

With the current problems with the economy, uneducated people who ain't got a clue about politics or the economy look for someone to blame, and that man is Gordon Brown unfortunatly.

[Ardemax]

Tories will, but I doubt they will get longer then one term in office. I personally don't want a bunch of out of touch s**** running our country, who still havn't proven that they could do any better than the Conservatives at running our country.

With the current problems with the economy, uneducated people who ain't got a clue about politics or the economy look for someone to blame, and that man is Gordon Brown unfortunatly.


I know Tories will win, but cameron? He's not going to do a better job.

[Bun]

i've changed my mind now. although there's not much chance of it, i actually wouldn't mind the lib dems winning. labour wouldn't bother me. if the tories get in then at least everyone could see they aren't the right thing for this country.

[Fez]

With everyone shouting "TORIES FTW!" and "STHU, THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING." I'd just like to point out that we don't have a damn clue what they will do in office. It's obvious that they have a way bigger chance now thanks to the face of Gordon Brown all over the Labour party - but Labour still has some better policies than Tories.

[Frodo13.]

I know Tories will win, but cameron? He's not going to do a better job.


Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.

[Hecktix]

I never worked out why Labour managed to win in 2005 either, especially after the disgrace of the Iraq War.


Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.
The problem is they did as much bad as they did good in their what was it? 17 years in power? It's hard for some people to forgive


you can't seriously think david cameron is going to be able to get us out of this recession?

No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...


Conservatives will likely get it because despite most of us only having real memory of a Labour reign, they are the predominant party of Britain and Labour aren't entirely popular at the moment. That said, I don't think it'll make any difference as currently Conservatives aren't very conservative and Labour aren't anywhere near as socialist as they once were - both are far more central and frankly I don't expect too much of a change whoever wins.

Too true they very similar, however if the Tories got in I do think people would want Labour back.


I agree they are too similar now, but I do think the major difference between Labours socialist stance and a Conservative stance will be government red tape. I think with a Conservative government the erosion of our freedoms and rights will pause, until ultimatley another Labour government gains power again and sets up new databases/bureaucratic laws.

And no doubt they will lose these databases on trains :rolleyes:

[Ardemax]

Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.


Agreed with you there.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i've changed my mind now. although there's not much chance of it, i actually wouldn't mind the lib dems winning. labour wouldn't bother me. if the tories get in then at least everyone could see they aren't the right thing for this country.

What, and Labour and the Liberal Democrats are? - the partys which opposed Mrs Thatchers econimic reforms which made this country strong and wealthy.


With everyone shouting "TORIES FTW!" and "STHU, THEY WON'T DO ANYTHING." I'd just like to point out that we don't have a damn clue what they will do in office. It's obvious that they have a way bigger chance now thanks to the face of Gordon Brown all over the Labour party - but Labour still has some better policies than Tories.

Promises, but ones that are not kept. A good one comes to mind from their manifestos, whiter than white & a referendum on the Libson Treaty - I wonder what happend to those and many other promises.


Sorry, I meant they havn't proven they will do a better job then Labour. As I said, the only reason people will vote Conservative is because they blame politicans for things that are out of their control, such as the recession.

They proved it in the 1980s by turning a debt ridden, falling to socialism country into a financial capital and wealthy country. It is Labours fault this recession, who sold all of our gold reserves when they were at a 20 year low? - Labour. Who didn't keep any money for a rainy day - Labour.


Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.
The problem is they did as much bad as they did good in their what was it? 17 years in power? It's hard for some people to forgive

No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...


Labour managed to win in 2005 yes, but with a strong campaign by Michael Howard their popularity was greatly reduced. You think bad is closing the mines and saving this country from going bankrupt? - you need to learn common sense basic economics if that is the case.

David Cameron will have to do what Mrs Thatcher did in the 1970s, reduce spending to fill the national debt black hole which is getting bigger and bigger every second. He will also have to pave the way for us to have extra cash in the future so we can weather any future recessions, which is the opposite to what Labour are doing which is spending and now the recession has hit, we have no money to deal with it.

[Frodo13.]

They proved it in the 1980s by turning a debt ridden, falling to socialism country into a financial capital and wealthy country. It is Labours fault this recession, who sold all of our gold reserves when they were at a 20 year low? - Labour. Who didn't keep any money for a rainy day - Labour.

No, what they did do is lead the country to a complete standstill and sucessfully alienated every single working class person in the country. The sole reason Thatcher lasted one term? Falklands War.

And I also believe it was the Conservative government under John Major who were forced to withdraw the pound from the ERM because they were that incompetent to keep it above its agreed lower limit. The result? Over £800m in trading losses. And before you come out with some rubbish that this was the best thing to happen to the Sterling, if the pound had of remained under the ERM, the UK would have made a £2.4bn profit on the sterlings devaluation. So no, the Conservatives have done naff all to convince me they could save the economy. And when the Conservatives do come to power, and the ecomomy will improve, it won't be down to them, it will be down to the Bank of England (who for a matter of fact, were put in charge of our economy by Labour.)

[Bun]

Labour managed to win in 2005 due to nobody trusting the Tories.

No single leader or party is going to get us out of the recession.
After all it's a worldwide economic crisis, what's it gonna be DC SAVES THE WORLD? I don't think so...

Actually that was more the case in 1997. Labour didn't win the election, the Tories just lost it.

And obviously not, but isn't that the main reason everyone wants Gordon Brown out?

[Ardemax]

Actually that was more the case in 1997. Labour didn't win the election, the Tories just lost it.

And obviously not, but isn't that the main reason everyone wants Gordon Brown out?


We don't want David Cameron in though.

[Fez]

We don't want David Cameron in though.
'We'...?

[Bun]

'We'...?
smart people.

jooooooking, just trollin' :8

[-:Undertaker:-]

No, what they did do is lead the country to a complete standstill and sucessfully alienated every single working class person in the country. The sole reason Thatcher lasted one term? Falklands War.

And I also believe it was the Conservative government under John Major who were forced to withdraw the pound from the ERM because they were that incompetent to keep it above its agreed lower limit. The result? Over £800m in trading losses. And before you come out with some rubbish that this was the best thing to happen to the Sterling, if the pound had of remained under the ERM, the UK would have made a £2.4bn profit on the sterlings devaluation. So no, the Conservatives have done naff all to convince me they could save the economy. And when the Conservatives do come to power, and the ecomomy will improve, it won't be down to them, it will be down to the Bank of England (who for a matter of fact, were put in charge of our economy by Labour.)

More socialist rubbish yet again, they saved the working class and made more wealth then ever before, the effects which have been lasting all through Labours term in office. You just cant accept it because your living some fantasy in which the mines are still open and business will not come to the United Kingdom due to high taxes which are high to support useless and non-profit making industry.

I don't know much about the ERM but I would want a independant currency, not some european dream in which the euro would take over the sovereign currencies. That was its aim, to achieve money stability in europe in prepartion for the single currency. We don't want the euro so would would we tie ourselves down to this ERM scheme which again, we have coped with fine without for years. Spectating brought the pound sterling to a collapse that day, and spectating cannot be controlled properly by any government.

As the Labour government has had to appeal to the IMF once, and could well have to do so if it keeps spending the way it is, I would not compare the Conservative record of strong growth, turning a declining economy around and creating new wealth against a party which has made us appeal to the IMF, did nothing to rescue the economy and sold most gold stocks in 1997 - early 000's when they were at a 20 year low, now leaving us with no backup what so ever, thus why we are getting deeper and deeper into a quagmire of debt.

[Fez]

smart people.

jooooooking, just trollin' :8

I lol'd

To the rest of the thread. I just wanted to point out that if we just about fully came under the EU rules and restrictions, you're life would change dramatically. For a start you would have to use the Euro, and for the first couple of months it would be a weak currency and wouldn't be very nice.

But the influence of Britain and our own rules could change the EU itself, and propell the Euro to a powerfuller currency. But really at the end of the day, we're getting screwed over.

For those who can vote, and are going to vote. Use you're common sense when casting your ballot you lucky thieves.

[Frodo13.]

More socialist rubbish yet again, they saved the working class and made more wealth then ever before, the effects which have been lasting all through Labours term in office. You just cant accept it because your living some fantasy in which the mines are still open and business will not come to the United Kingdom due to high taxes which are high to support useless and non-profit making industry.

I don't know much about the ERM but I would want a independant currency, not some european dream in which the euro would take over the sovereign currencies. That was its aim, to achieve money stability in europe in prepartion for the single currency. We don't want the euro so would would we tie ourselves down to this ERM scheme which again, we have coped with fine without for years. Spectating brought the pound sterling to a collapse that day, and spectating cannot be controlled properly by any government.

As the Labour government has had to appeal to the IMF once, and could well have to do so if it keeps spending the way it is, I would not compare the Conservative record of strong growth, turning a declining economy around and creating new wealth against a party which has made us appeal to the IMF, did nothing to rescue the economy and sold most gold stocks in 1997 - early 000's when they were at a 20 year low, now leaving us with no backup what so ever, thus why we are getting deeper and deeper into a quagmire of debt.

Thatcher did one thing for the economy, which was privatisation of most publicly owned businesses, which I admit, was her finest hour in some aspects. Then again, privatisation of many places has led to them being compleatly wiped out. However, the boost it gave to the economy is nothing compared to that of Brown when he was Chancellor. Up until now, the UK economy has continued to boom like it has never before. All economies are due a downturn, ours is now, and Gordon Brown is not the man to blame for it.

Black Wednesday and the closing of the mines resulting to the UK coming to a standstill and the eventual loss of thousands of jobs across the country? All down to a useless Tory governemt.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Thatcher did one thing for the economy, which was privatisation of most publicly owned businesses, which I admit, was her finest hour in some aspects. Then again, privatisation of many places has led to them being compleatly wiped out. However, the boost it gave to the economy is nothing compared to that of Brown when he was Chancellor. Up until now, the UK economy has continued to boom like it has never before. All economies are due a downturn, ours is now, and Gordon Brown is not the man to blame for it.

Black Wednesday and the closing of the mines resulting to the UK coming to a standstill and the eventual loss of thousands of jobs across the country? All down to a useless Tory governemt.

Privatisation saved this country, yes some services suffered but if you want an economy to work and a country to have a healthy economy then that is nessacery. Gordon Brown has just enjoyed a world boom which was started by the Regan-Thatcher administration and governments. Gordon Brown is to blame for the sloppy response though, althought I agree not the recession itself as that is a vital part of capitalism which just encourages renewal of growth. He said he abolished boom and bust, well yes he must of well believed he did as he kept no money aside and sold gold stocks when they were at a 20 year low - that is not good management, and neither is trying this absurd idea of splashing out billions we cant afford to 'buy ourselves' out of this recession.

The collapse of the sterling was due to spectators and not the government, the mines closing was a vital part of recovering our economy by Thatcher, and it worked. Why should people subsidise a black hole which was no use at all to us and was holding us back. That is neither fair nor econimical, the only reason the mines lasted as long as they did was due to a incompetant Labour government which was completly in control of the socialist unions and very nearly ran this country into a pit whichI doubt we would of recovered from.

[Frodo13.]

Privatisation saved this country, yes some services suffered but if you want an economy to work and a country to have a healthy economy then that is nessacery. Gordon Brown has just enjoyed a world boom which was started by the Regan-Thatcher administration and governments. Gordon Brown is to blame for the sloppy response though, althought I agree not the recession itself as that is a vital part of capitalism which just encourages renewal of growth. He said he abolished boom and bust, well yes he must of well believed he did as he kept no money aside and sold gold stocks when they were at a 20 year low - that is not good management, and neither is trying this absurd idea of splashing out billions we cant afford to 'buy ourselves' out of this recession.

The collapse of the sterling was due to spectators and not the government, the mines closing was a vital part of recovering our economy by Thatcher, and it worked. Why should people subsidise a black hole which was no use at all to us and was holding us back. That is neither fair nor econimical, the only reason the mines lasted as long as they did was due to a incompetant Labour government which was completly in control of the socialist unions and very nearly ran this country into a pit whichI doubt we would of recovered from.

Brown may of lost us £2bn worth of gold, but the estimated loss of Black Wednesday is £3.4bn - guess that means Conservatives win in terms of economical screw-ups. You say it was for the best for UK to withdraw from the ERM? Not according to the Conservatives. For them, it was a last resort and all of that day, they were trying to prop up the sterling. And do you know how they try to do that? By throwing billions at it and rising interest rates to 15%. So, the Conservatives and their supports really shouldn't criticise Brown for trying to throw money at the economy; they tried it 17 years ago.

[Ostinato]

oopsies didnt realise this was a who will win rather than who do u want to lolol

[-:Undertaker:-]

Brown may of lost us £2bn worth of gold, but the estimated loss of Black Wednesday is £3.4bn - guess that means Conservatives win in terms of economical screw-ups. You say it was for the best for UK to withdraw from the ERM? Not according to the Conservatives. For them, it was a last resort and all of that day, they were trying to prop up the sterling. And do you know how they try to do that? By throwing billions at it and rising interest rates to 15%. So, the Conservatives and their supports really shouldn't criticise Brown for trying to throw money at the economy; they tried it 17 years ago.

How is a government supposed to stop spectating on the sterling, it cant. Therefore it is not the government at that times fault. Conservatives don't get everything right, the difference was that the Conservatives tried to prevent the sterling (our currency) from collapsing, which is different and far worse than a recession. Throwing money at a recession doesnt solve anything, especially when we dont even have that money. The rate was put up to try and get investors to invest in the sterling, which is what you try and do to keep your currencies influence.

[leah]

I want tories to win, although they got the most votes last time but still lost on seats.

[Nixt]

We'll be out of this "recession" by next year. Hell, what recession? Sure a few shops closed and quite a few people lost jobs but it's no great depression... Things are already beginnign to pick up again

You don't feel it, because you're young. I don't, either. But the recession is there and it's strong. "A few shops closed" - quite a lot have, actually. Some big chains in some cases too. "Quite a few people" - thousands is not "quite a few"!

I personally think the Conservatives will win. Who will I vote for? I really do not know.

[Christian]

I think the conservatives will probably win. People have lost faith in Labour and somewhat blame them for the recession but I think they're more left wing views will get us out of the recession than the conservatives.

[SugarPlum.]

i will win.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think the conservatives will probably win. People have lost faith in Labour and somewhat blame them for the recession but I think they're more left wing views will get us out of the recession than the conservatives.

To spend money you dont have and to not cut public spending?

[Frodo13.]

To spend money you dont have and to not cut public spending?


Better than what the Conservatives have planned which is, erm, nothing.

[Fez]

Better than what the Conservatives have planned which is, erm, nothing.
Ah, ruining our economy further and delaying 'the fix' is something?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Better than what the Conservatives have planned which is, erm, nothing.

Doing nothing is better than spending money you dont have and refusing to cut down on some of the worst debt in this countries history, oh and also refusing to force the government-owned banks to lend again so business can survive.

[Frodo13.]

Doing nothing is better than spending money you dont have and refusing to cut down on some of the worst debt in this countries history, oh and also refusing to force the government-owned banks to lend again so business can survive.


I'm sure the voters would see it that way also :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

I'm sure the voters would see it that way also :rolleyes:

The voters are starting to see how the country is falling into a black hole of debt which is just getting bigger and bigger, so yes, just like they finally realised in 1979 they will realise in 2010 when they come to cast their ballots.

[Fez]

I'm sure the voters would see it that way also :rolleyes:
Wait what? Spending money you don't have and refusing to compromise is what drove this country into a recession into the first place.

[PaintYourTarget]

Double post, sorry.

[PaintYourTarget]

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COVENTRY MP Bob Ainsworth has entered the controversy over the BID business scheme by calling for it to be scrapped.
In his first public comments about the furore, he calls for the abolition of the private company running it and axing the despised “tax” averaging £500.
About 2,500 firms have been forced to pay for services promised but not received, including new wi-fi broadband and CCTV.
Hundreds of those firms and city Labour MP Geoffrey Robinson have fought a long-running campaign for a vote on whether they want to scrap it.
Wading into the row for the first time, Mr Ainsworth, MP for Coventry North-east, said he had received complaints from BID levy-paying businesses, and questions he had “repeatedly” put to BID company chief executive Stephen Welch had received no reply.



As reported previously in the Telegraph, hundreds of Coventry firms have been taken to court for non-payment by the city council, which collects the levy on the citywide BID’s behalf. A protest group has now been formed by dissenting levy-payers and is raising a fighting fund for High Court action.
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2009/04/20/second-mp-joins-campaign-to-scrap-city-business-levy-92746-23421184/
The Conservative Council also introduced the BID scheme, forcing companies to pay for services they apparently haven't received. Bob Ainsworth, a Labour MP, is strongly opposed to it.

http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/news72815.html
Calling for the resignation of a Conservative Councilor's after a report into the death of a Baby failed by Social Services, which come under the councils control.

Sack 2010, I'm definitely not voting Conservative in the Local Elections on May 7th this year. I've met a lot of their campaign team in this city and they are supremely arrogant and unapproachable. Sure they're regenerating money, but at what cost?

[GommeInc]

Better than what the Conservatives have planned which is, erm, nothing.
Doing nothing is better than doing something of the "not so good/bad" variety. If the Labour government sat down and did nothing we'd probably be better off :/

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2009/04/22/elderly-people-in-coventry-face-hikes-in-cost-of-home-care-services-92746-23439232/
The Conservatives run Coventry Council, on Tuesday they hiked up prices for Elderly
care services just to save the city £530,000

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/2009/04/20/second-mp-joins-campaign-to-scrap-city-business-levy-92746-23421184/
The Conservative Council also introduced the BID scheme, forcing companies to pay for services they apparently haven't received. Bob Ainsworth, a Labour MP, is strongly opposed to it.

http://www.coventryobserver.co.uk/news72815.html
Calling for the resignation of a Conservative Councilor's after a report into the death of a Baby failed by Social Services, which come under the councils control.

Sack 2010, I'm definitely not voting Conservative in the Local Elections on May 7th this year. I've met a lot of their campaign team in this city and they are supremely arrogant and unapproachable. Sure they're regenerating money, but at what cost?

If that is the case with your local council if I were you, email and inform Conservative Central Office, if them allegations are true then that is a disgrace, but none of that is as bad as what Labour did to my city in the 1980s, it was awful and gave us the reputation we have now.


Doing nothing is better than doing something of the "not so good/bad" variety. If the Labour government sat down and did nothing we'd probably be better off :/

Exactly, Labour like all socialists struggle when it comes to economics but dont struggle when it comes to making empty promises.

[Ardemax]

I just don't think Conservatives are the way forward atm.

[PaintYourTarget]

If that is the case with your local council if I were you, email and inform Conservative Central Office, if them allegations are true then that is a disgrace, but none of that is as bad as what Labour did to my city in the 1980s, it was awful and gave us the reputation we have now.



Exactly, Labour like all socialists struggle when it comes to economics but dont struggle when it comes to making empty promises.
Why email them something they already know and ultimate drop into their junk folder when I can just vote them out?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why email them something they already know and ultimate drop into their junk folder when I can just vote them out?

Alright then don't bother, from personal experience though I know that most Liberal Democrat & Conservative councils are better than Labour councils, Labour destroyed my city.

[Roboevil]

What makes the conservatives so good?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Lets see;


Conservative idealogy means tougher on crime, immigration and on sentences. This compared with Labour, who under them our prison sentences have gone to situtations such as 10 years for murder.
Conservative idealogy tends to prefer a independant Unites Kingdom, whereas Labour would happily sign up fully to the European Union fully tommorow and sign away more and more of our sovereignty.
Conservatives support lower taxes and always have.
Conservatives left office in 1997 with a excellent low debt record.
Conservatives believe if you cant afford it then you cut public spending, as you do not spend money you do not have as this Labour government has which means we have a massive mountain of debt.
In the 1980s this country was transformed from the sick man of europe to a ever growing economy, thanks to Margaret Thatcher.
Thanks to 1980s Thatcherism introduced in both United Kingdom and United States we have seen most other countries follow and in turn have became much wealthier over the past 20 or so years.
Conservatives believe in the poor being richer and the rich being richer, opposed to socialisms belief that the poor should be poorer and the rich should be poorer - because you cant have it both ways.
Margaret Thatcher cut taxes in order to allow business to grow.
Conservatives stopped the post-war decline we had in the United Kingdom since World War II.
Margaret Thatcher stopped the dangerous threat of militant socialism which was rampant in the 1970s and which caused the winter of discontent.
Conservatives cut union power so that the unions became unions and not government, as they were basically in control of the 1970s Labour government.
That is why the Conservatives are better, and I just hope for the reputation of the party and more so for this country that he, David Cameron is a radical like Margaret Thatcher was. If he isn't then he will fail, if he is, then hopefully he can turn us around from this mess Labour have spent, and blundered their way into.

[Roboevil]

Why does labour believe in high taxes?

Although I've not followed it for ages, since I last did, I know there were many more benefits (especially economic) with joining the European Union.

Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up Margaret Thatcher as a pro for Conservatism, she's not going to be leading.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Why does labour believe in high taxes?

Although I've not followed it for ages, since I last did, I know there were many more benefits (especially economic) with joining the European Union.

Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up Margaret Thatcher as a pro for Conservatism, she's not going to be leading.

Labour are left wing, and since left wing believes in big government and the state they also believe in higher taxes to fund that, you obviously dont know Labour that good. In the 1980s tax on the richest was 80%, which led to no investment in this country and it destroyed our economy, leading us to go cap in hand to the IMF.

They say that, but the common market destroyed our farms which went bust overnight when we joined the common market. The French fishermen are not happy with EU fishing regulations and neither are British fishermen. We pay billions in donations and membership fees to the EU, most of which we never see again. There are hundreds of countries in this world that have existed and traded for hundreds of years, why, all of a sudden is it 'vital' we be in this command style of economy when we have coped for hundreds of years on our own and other countries are still doing so today. Market aside, what right does the EU have to move out of any economic regulations and so on, it has no right and never will to dictate our laws and give us red tape after red tape of regulations which it costs us to implement and our police to enforce. - it has no right.

As for Margaret Thatcher, people who understand economics and politics have overwhelming support for her, as most of England is pro-Conservative and want another Thatcher, that is why the top selling newspapers are mostly anti-EU and historically pro-Conservative.

"A man's right to work as he will, to spend what he earns, to own property, to have the state as servant and not as master. These are the British inheritance. They are the essence of a free country, and on that freedom all of our other freedoms depend." - Margaret Thatcher

[Bun]

I want tories to win, although they got the most votes last time but still lost on seats.
they never lol

[-:Undertaker:-]

they never lol

Their number of seats didn't fairly represent their number of votes, as is the problem with first past the post system.

[Roboevil]

Labour are left wing, and since left wing believes in big government and the state they also believe in higher taxes to fund that, you obviously dont know Labour that good. In the 1980s tax on the richest was 80%, which led to no investment in this country and it destroyed our economy, leading us to go cap in hand to the IMF.
I don't follow politics, it's why I was asking about it.


As for Margaret Thatcher, people who understand economics and politics have overwhelming support for her, as most of England is pro-Conservative and want another Thatcher, that is why the top selling newspapers are mostly anti-EU and historically pro-Conservative.
It's because you're using her to exemplify why the Conservatives should be in power when she no longer has anything to do with Politics.

[PaintYourTarget]

Alright then don't bother, from personal experience though I know that most Liberal Democrat & Conservative councils are better than Labour councils, Labour destroyed my city.
Conservatives are ruining my city and ask the great majority of people here their opinions on Thatcher and you wont get one that doesn't involve profanity. If you've got the right to vote then use it.

[Ardemax]

undertaker you're gettin on everyone's nerves here with your "conservatives are the best they are the best there is nothing wrong with them they are the best theyre the coolest ever their policies have no faults theyre so awesome"

can i just mention how much more tax you'd have to pay if the conservatives got into power.

[Fez]

undertaker you're gettin on everyone's nerves here with your "conservatives are the best they are the best there is nothing wrong with them they are the best theyre the coolest ever their policies have no faults theyre so awesome"

can i just mention how much more tax you'd have to pay if the conservatives got into power.
I'd be prepared to pay more tax if they get us out of the recession.

Can we also talk about the local elections in here? I'd make a new thread but I cba.

[PaintYourTarget]

I'd be prepared to pay more tax if they get us out of the recession.

Can we also talk about the local elections in here? I'd make a new thread but I cba.
yeah sure, I've been talking about Locals.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I don't follow politics, it's why I was asking about it.


It's because you're using her to exemplify why the Conservatives should be in power when she no longer has anything to do with Politics.

The majority of the Conservative Party follow her idealogy, therefore it is very relavent as she was the 'biggest' Prime Minister since Sir Winston Churchill. Her policies shaped the modern day Conservative Party and this country, her legacy is very much still alive.


Conservatives are ruining my city and ask the great majority of people here their opinions on Thatcher and you wont get one that doesn't involve profanity. If you've got the right to vote then use it.

It is the same in my city, as my area is supportive of the Liberal Democrats and Labour. You will get good and bad Conservative councils, however the point I am making is that a national Conservative government is much better than a Labour government, who have plunged this country in to very, very deep debt yet Labour supporters and socialists still go on and on about how Thatcher 'ruined' this country, when she saved it.


undertaker you're gettin on everyone's nerves here with your "conservatives are the best they are the best there is nothing wrong with them they are the best theyre the coolest ever their policies have no faults theyre so awesome"

can i just mention how much more tax you'd have to pay if the conservatives got into power.

I tell you what is annoying, your silly little pro-Labour comments you keep posting in the threads, why post if you don't know what your talking about because judging from that post you clearly don't. I have said before, I await what Cameron will be like and as I stated clearly before, I said acknowledged he will have to be radical to be successful. The Conservative Party isn't an amazing party, I still disagree with some of its policies such as its line on Climate Change and the European Union, so; it isn't perfect and never have I said that it is so stop putting words in my mouth.

As for tax; David Cameron hasn't said anything about tax rises as far as i'm aware, if we do have to pay higher taxes do you know why we have to? - because we have to clear the mountain of debt Labour have left us with.


can i just mention how much more tax you'd have to pay if the conservatives got into power.

Since when were you appointed to the role of Shadow Chancellor, you treat me as if I make it all up, but it is you who is making it up as you go along. Do you not understand that this government is spending money that it does not have and is refusing to cut spending so our debt just soars higher and higher?

That is exactly why at this minute we're facing a situation like in 1979 but not as bad, yet. David Cameron needs to be radical or he will fail.