View Full Version : If Adam and Eve were the first Humans.....
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 11:35 AM
then we're all incested? Correct?
Immenseman
16-04-2009, 11:37 AM
yes, but they weren't so who cares
paul4wolves
16-04-2009, 11:39 AM
then we're all incested? Correct?
Yeah, this is where Christians fail because incest is not allowed in the religion.
Contradiction I think so.
The story of Adam and Eve is just that, a story to form the doctrine of original sin
Sixiz
16-04-2009, 11:42 AM
Adam and eve weren't Family were they?
But if they were then who was there parents ( Unexplained )
If they weren't God was there Parent's (incestism)
Twist
16-04-2009, 11:43 AM
Yeah, this is where Christians fail because incest is not allowed in the religion.
Contradiction I think so.
Are you a Wolves fan?
Anyway if Adam was the first human the world would come to an abrupt halt.
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 11:44 AM
yes, but they weren't so who cares
Then why are there some many dysfunctional new borns?
Maybe they were the first humans on earth and they had a baby boy, then a girl, then a few years later the baby boy and girl who have now gowned up had a child, with the process repeating in a cycle.
Sixiz
16-04-2009, 11:46 AM
Then why are there some many dysfunctional new borns?
Maybe they were the first humans on earth and they had a baby boy, then a girl, then a few years later the baby boy and girl who have now gowned up had a child, with the process repeating in a cycle.
That would make them incested, which is against the Christian religion
Jordy
16-04-2009, 11:49 AM
Then why are there some many dysfunctional new borns?
Maybe they were the first humans on earth and they had a baby boy, then a girl, then a few years later the baby boy and girl who have now gowned up had a child, with the process repeating in a cycle.When questioning the Christian religion, incest is not the first thing that pops into my mind. I'd start with questioning how God got here and how Adam and Eve got here not incest. If you think this is an explanation for the dysfunctional newborns today, not only are you completely wrong as these can usually be explained, but you must believe in the story of adam and eve to believe that.
Adam and Eve is a story anyway and not a theory. Besides who's to say Adam and Eve were Christians anyway, just because God created them doesn't mean they believe in God. There's a chance that God created me but I don't believe in him.
paul4wolves
16-04-2009, 01:00 PM
Are you a Wolves fan?
Anyway if Adam was the first human the world would come to an abrupt halt.
Yes I am.
jackass
16-04-2009, 01:06 PM
Adam and eve weren't Family were they?
No, but if they had children, then the only way for the population to carry on is for their children to reproduce.
Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, and there was no mention that they were the only humans on Earth, just they were created first.
Yeeh the bibles full of incest, if u read it it says all the kids adam nd eve supposedly had. They all lived till like 900 to!
just read it and then argue it!
Ostinato
16-04-2009, 05:28 PM
Yeah, this is where Christians fail because incest is not allowed in the religion.
Contradiction I think so.
If you actually had any depth towards your knowledge of the situation, other than your arrogant personal opinions, you would perhaps be aware that the Catholic Church recognises that the story of Adam and Eve should be taken on story level at that basis. Many Catholics (including high priests) actually don't take every story in the bible for face value or that each one physically happened in time - many are metaphorical stories and tales that portray a meaningful message in one way or another - with Adam and Eve being just that.
They had 2 kids, Kain & Able.
But Kain killed Able so...
Anyway Adam & Eve is just a way of putting the creation story into words that thickos will understand.
LoveToStack
16-04-2009, 05:39 PM
They had 2 kids, Kain & Able.
But Kain killed Able so...
Anyway Adam & Eve is just a way of putting the creation story into words that thickos will understand believe.
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paul4wolves
16-04-2009, 05:46 PM
If you actually had any depth towards your knowledge of the situation, other than your arrogant personal opinions, you would perhaps be aware that the Catholic Church recognises that the story of Adam and Eve should be taken on story level at that basis. Many Catholics (including high priests) actually don't take every story in the bible for face value or that each one physically happened in time - many are metaphorical stories and tales that portray a meaningful message in one way or another - with Adam and Eve being just that..
Is incest okay?
No, incest is not okay. Incest is the sexual relations between family members either by birth or marriage. God has forbidden this in the Bible.
Lev. 20:11-12 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.11-12), "If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them. 12 If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
Lev. 20:19-21 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.19-21), "You shall also not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they shall bear their guilt. 20 If there is a man who lies with his uncle's wife he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin. They shall die childless. 21 If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They shall be childless."
But some may point out that Adam and Eve had children and since there were no other people around, their children would have had to commit incest in order to produce more children. At the time of creation, the genetic line was pure. It wasn't until later, at the time of Moses, that incest was then forbidden as the genetic pool became less and less able to stand interbreeding. "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD," (Lev. 18:6 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2018.6))
Source: http://www.carm.org/questions/about-sexuality/incest-okay
This makes me ignorant, how?
How bout that for a FAIL.
Hushie
16-04-2009, 05:48 PM
Is incest okay?
No, incest is not okay. Incest is the sexual relations between family members either by birth or marriage. God has forbidden this in the Bible.
Lev. 20:11-12 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.11-12), "If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them. 12 If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
Lev. 20:19-21 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.19-21), "You shall also not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they shall bear their guilt. 20 If there is a man who lies with his uncle's wife he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin. They shall die childless. 21 If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They shall be childless."
But some may point out that Adam and Eve had children and since there were no other people around, their children would have had to commit incest in order to produce more children. At the time of creation, the genetic line was pure. It wasn't until later, at the time of Moses, that incest was then forbidden as the genetic pool became less and less able to stand interbreeding. "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD," (Lev. 18:6 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2018.6))
How bout that for a FAIL.
Lul wat?
Ostinato
16-04-2009, 05:49 PM
Is incest okay?
No, incest is not okay. Incest is the sexual relations between family members either by birth or marriage. God has forbidden this in the Bible.
Lev. 20:11-12 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.11-12), "If there is a man who lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death, their bloodguiltiness is upon them. 12 If there is a man who lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed incest, their bloodguiltiness is upon them."
Lev. 20:19-21 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2020.19-21), "You shall also not uncover the nakedness of your mother's sister or of your father's sister, for such a one has made naked his blood relative; they shall bear their guilt. 20 If there is a man who lies with his uncle's wife he has uncovered his uncle's nakedness; they shall bear their sin. They shall die childless. 21 If there is a man who takes his brother's wife, it is abhorrent; he has uncovered his brother's nakedness. They shall be childless."
But some may point out that Adam and Eve had children and since there were no other people around, their children would have had to commit incest in order to produce more children. At the time of creation, the genetic line was pure. It wasn't until later, at the time of Moses, that incest was then forbidden as the genetic pool became less and less able to stand interbreeding. "No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD," (Lev. 18:6 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/nasb/Lev.%2018.6))
How bout that for a FAIL.
God, you really need to grow up and realise that not every word in the bible is set for in stone and has to be taken literally.
As I have made perfectly clear already many catholic officials believe that the majority of - and in particular the story of adam and eve - are not to be taken on a literal basis, but more on a metaphorical one.
You clearly are still failing to comprehend this very simple and competent issue.
Jordan:A
16-04-2009, 05:50 PM
then we're all incested? Correct?
Exactly what i told my r.e teacher !
She didnt listen
God, you really need to grow up and realise that not every word in the bible is set for in stone and has to be taken literally.
As I have made perfectly clear already many catholic officials believe that the majority of - and in particular the story of adam and eve - are not to be taken on a literal basis, but more on a metaphorical one.
You clearly are still failing to comprehend this very simple and competent issue.
I get what your saying don't worry
They had 2 kids, Kain & Able.
But Kain killed Able so...
Anyway Adam & Eve is just a way of putting the creation story into words that thickos will understand.
They had more then Cain and Abel,
The Bible does not give us a specific number. Adam and Eve had Cain (Genesis 4:1 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.1)), Abel (Genesis 4:2 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.2)), Seth (Genesis 4:25 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.25)), and many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%205.4)). With likely hundreds of years of child-bearing capability, Adam and Eve likely had 50+ children in their lifetime.
Like I said, if you want to argue something then atleast read/ research it.
Thats why i dont argue the bible so much, i havn't read it in so long.
Alot of religions don't believe the bible word for word, only a minority of religious people believe in creationism
Im not religious btw
Laggings
16-04-2009, 06:03 PM
2 big rocks fell on earth.
They were eaten and digested by monsters.
Time to use the bathroom, poof, out comes adam and eve.
2 big rocks fell on earth.
They were eaten and digested by monsters.
Time to use the bathroom, poof, out comes adam and eve.
YOUR WELL FUNI
jackass
16-04-2009, 06:06 PM
2 big rocks fell on earth.
They were eaten and digested by monsters.
Time to use the bathroom, poof, out comes adam and eve.
Yet again, you bring an amazing contribution to the forum. :eusa_clap
Laggings
16-04-2009, 06:11 PM
Yet again, I bring some humor in such a debated topic.
Yet again, I bring some humor in such a debated topic.
where did u do that
How did they know how to have sex in the first place?
Did Adam go upto Eve and ask her what would happen if he put his stick into her hole?
Jordan:A
16-04-2009, 06:16 PM
How did they know how to have sex in the first place?
Did Adam go upto Eve and ask her what would happen if he put his stick into her hole?
Yeah, and she went "If you put that thing in me one more time, im going to break it"
who cares? it's all made up anyway. :8
don't think i'm going to view this thread again because i'll get flamed badly lol.
How did they know how to have sex in the first place?
Did Adam go upto Eve and ask her what would happen if he put his stick into her hole?
Its instinct, just like animals no how to have sex!
who cares? it's all made up anyway. :8
don't think i'm going to view this thread again because i'll get flamed badly lol.
ooh cheeky
In my opinion the bible is a load of nonsense anyway.
I'd rather believe Darwin's evolutionary theory anyday.
Its instinct, just like animals no how to have sex!
Do humans even have sex instinct?
Explain this..
Why don't children know what that part is used for?
How many girls know what the hell is going on when they start their period?
How come we have sex education in primary school?
If we had that instinct, then we would know all of that at birth ;)
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 06:41 PM
Exactly what i told my r.e teacher !
She didnt listen
She couldn't answer you that's why! :P
In my opinion the bible is a load of nonsense anyway.
I'd rather believe Darwin's evolutionary theory anyday.
The Bible was written by people who could basically made up a load of poo. I think every religion holy whatever is misleading somehow.
You have one religion saying were not going to Heaven and god is on earth. We have another religion saying Allah is the god, you have one saying Jesus is the son of the devil. It's just all madness.
Theres only one right religion.
She couldn't answer you that's why! :P
The Bible was written by people who could basically made up a load of poo. I think every religion holy whatever is misleading somehow.
You have one religion saying were not going to Heaven and god is on earth. We have another religion saying Allah is the god, you have one saying Jesus is the son of the devil. It's just all madness.
Theres only one right religion.
dat last religion u sed sounds funky
Catchy
16-04-2009, 06:55 PM
I'm sure the name 'adam' wasn't around all them millions of years ago! :)
Dragkid
16-04-2009, 06:59 PM
True. But who listens to that stuff?
-:Undertaker:-
16-04-2009, 07:03 PM
The Bible is more of a moral guidance and our world is based upon it believe it or not, and like it or not. As for the strange incest debates around this forum, it is wrong and you risk having a child with more problems than a normal child would encounter.
Do humans even have sex instinct?
Explain this..
Why don't children know what that part is used for?
How many girls know what the hell is going on when they start their period?
How come we have sex education in primary school?
If we had that instinct, then we would know all of that at birth ;)
animals only have the instinct to have sex when they hit puberty, animals hit puberty at younger ages then humans, the main reason we have sex education is to do with condoms, sti, the troubles of childbirth etc.
Unlike animals, we have knowledge so yes people know about sex before they have it now. Look at evolution, when man kind started out we didnt have knowledge so we worked on our instincts.
How many dogs know exactly why there bleeding when there on heat? None, but they have the urge to mate with males.
Its all to do with hormones and stuff
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 07:19 PM
dat last religion u sed sounds funky
Lol. Tell me about it. :P
The Bible is more of a moral guidance and our world is based upon it believe it or not, and like it or not. As for the strange incest debates around this forum, it is wrong and you risk having a child with more problems than a normal child would encounter.
I disagree. Say there's two separate family generations, who of which has not had any sort of dysfunctional members in them, one of the members of each family gets together and get pregnant and the baby comes out ok.
Can you see where I'm coming from or am i confusing you?
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 07:23 PM
im now pro incest
You dirty bugger. :eusa_droo
Jordy
16-04-2009, 07:35 PM
Do humans even have sex instinct?
Explain this..
Why don't children know what that part is used for?
How many girls know what the hell is going on when they start their period?
How come we have sex education in primary school?
If we had that instinct, then we would know all of that at birth ;)Like someone said sex education is more guidance on STDs, contraception and pregnancy. Like in animals though, information is passed down through families (and often in schools for humans). Obviously it had to be figured out at the start of time but I'm pretty sure it'd be worked out soon enough. Bare in mind you get sex education mostly before you hit puberty.
She couldn't answer you that's why! :P
The Bible was written by people who could basically made up a load of poo. I think every religion holy whatever is misleading somehow.
You have one religion saying were not going to Heaven and god is on earth. We have another religion saying Allah is the god, you have one saying Jesus is the son of the devil. It's just all madness.
Theres only one right religion.Not necessarily, maybe they're all wrong? Some of them have to be wrong as it's not possible for them to be all correct, that's for sure.
Loser
16-04-2009, 07:46 PM
then we're all incested? Correct?
What are you saying? The Bible isn't completely correct!? My whole life, ruined.
-:Undertaker:-
16-04-2009, 07:48 PM
Lol. Tell me about it. :P
I disagree. Say there's two separate family generations, who of which has not had any sort of dysfunctional members in them, one of the members of each family gets together and get pregnant and the baby comes out ok.
Can you see where I'm coming from or am i confusing you?
The children could well be fine, but it is not worth any risk what so ever. Why defend incest anyway, not only is it strange but is also morally wrong.
paul4wolves
16-04-2009, 08:24 PM
God, you really need to grow up and realise that not every word in the bible is set for in stone and has to be taken literally.
As I have made perfectly clear already many catholic officials believe that the majority of - and in particular the story of adam and eve - are not to be taken on a literal basis, but more on a metaphorical one.
You clearly are still failing to comprehend this very simple and competent issue.
WHAT, now you are telling me the bible is BULL. Seams that I am not the ignorant one...
jackass
16-04-2009, 08:59 PM
WHAT, now you are telling me the bible is BULL. Seams that I am not the ignorant one...
Paul, in all fairness, i'd just stop trying here, you are making no sense... :P
incest is mint end of discussion
drama
16-04-2009, 09:01 PM
the story of adam and eve is metaphorical
u obv werent listening wen i sed incest is mint end off discussion!
paul4wolves
16-04-2009, 09:03 PM
Paul, in all fairness, i'd just stop trying here, you are making no sense... :P
Yeah, I tryed to regain some respect but failed. LOL
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 09:25 PM
Not necessarily, maybe they're all wrong? Some of them have to be wrong as it's not possible for them to be all correct, that's for sure.
Maybe, i think there's too many religions saying too many different stuff, no wonder there's people who don't believe that there is a god, it's madness.
There's only one right one. I believe it's the Holy Bible.
What are you saying? The Bible isn't completely correct!? My whole life, ruined.
Hello bruv. ;)
The children could well be fine, but it is not worth any risk what so ever. Why defend incest anyway, not only is it strange but is also morally wrong.
Lol it's not worth the risk, i wouldn't even think about it, let alone doing it!
Just imagine, we all actually could be brothers and sisters! :P
Jordy
16-04-2009, 09:43 PM
Just imagine, we all actually could be brothers and sisters! :PDoesn't change anything? Paul4wolves is still the forum idiot whether I'm his brother or not :P
Clowgons
16-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Doesn't change anything? Paul4wolves is still the forum idiot whether I'm his brother or not :P
He's alright bruv. :eusa_danc :P
Ewwww that's disgusting if I'm related to Tristan. LOOOOL, :P
GommeInc
16-04-2009, 10:10 PM
This thread went from incest is wrong to "Wow, we're all related :D!"... How worrying :S
Thinking of that though, even if Adam and Eve weren't the same person/related, we'd be related anyway. Wasn't Eve made from a rib off of Adam?
im related 2 ldza of celebs
drama
16-04-2009, 10:18 PM
This thread went from incest is wrong to "Wow, we're all related :D!"... How worrying :S
Thinking of that though, even if Adam and Eve weren't the same person/related, we'd be related anyway. Wasn't Eve made from a rib off of Adam?
Yeah she was.
Rib-woman.. Worst. Superhero. Ever.
SoraUS
17-04-2009, 02:01 AM
No. You're wrong!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
Incest has nothing to do with it - it's called evolution =)
Rapidshare
17-04-2009, 02:31 AM
They warent the first people on Earth.
No offence but no because Adam And Eva were white
TheEclipse
21-04-2009, 09:32 AM
Not that I'm religious, but in actuality, if you have two genetically healthy people, and they had children who were genetically healthy, and those children were incestuous, you wouldn't end up with disabilities. So yes, they were incestuous, but *apparently* Adam and Eve had lots of children (other than Cain and Abel) over a very long time, and it was for the sake of humanity/God's will, so that would mean incest was alright. :P After a few generations, any 'incest' would be no longer between brothers and sisters anyway.
I can't believe I'm arguing for the bible, but nowhere does it say that Adam and Eve were white, (just like Jesus wasn't white!), and I think Christians believe that any skin colour variations etc happened afterwards (which even evolutionists believe).
Dan2nd
21-04-2009, 08:40 PM
But if you were to beleve in evolution and if everything on this planet evolved from the same source of life or whatever does that not mean in some seriously distant way everything that is 'alive' on earth is in some distant way related and has just evolved in different directions?
Is that correct or have I misunderstood? :P
SugarPlum.
21-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Apparently they only had two sons aswell, so basically they had to have sex with their mum :S Basically Eve was the worlds first woman, and the worlds first ****:)
Unlucky if she had another boy after that.
Clowgon
21-04-2009, 09:16 PM
Ooo, intresting. :O
ecstasy
21-04-2009, 09:35 PM
ive always thought that. they had two sons, so one must have had sex with their mum. seems odd to me.
im not sure why im commenting on this thread tbh. i cant understand how anyone could believe the bible, but hey, thats just me. dont start getting all :@ with me
PriceTags
21-04-2009, 11:07 PM
No. You're wrong!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam
Incest has nothing to do with it - it's called evolution =)
They're not the real Adam and Eve; they are just two human ancestors named after the characters in the story.
FlyingJesus
22-04-2009, 12:36 AM
Apparently they only had two sons aswell, so basically they had to have sex with their mum :S Basically Eve was the worlds first woman, and the worlds first ****:)
Unlucky if she had another boy after that.
ive always thought that. they had two sons, so one must have had sex with their mum. seems odd to me.
im not sure why im commenting on this thread tbh. i cant understand how anyone could believe the bible, but hey, thats just me. dont start getting all :@ with me
They had far more than just 2 children. The most notable (and really the only one much mentioned) other than Cain and Abel is Seth, who is often seen as Abel's replacement and whose descendants make their way down to Noah and then on from there after the flood etc. Seth's wife is stated as Azura btw, so he didn't do his mum :P
They had more then Cain and Abel,
The Bible does not give us a specific number. Adam and Eve had Cain (Genesis 4:1 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.1)), Abel (Genesis 4:2 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.2)), Seth (Genesis 4:25 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%204.25)), and many other sons and daughters (Genesis 5:4 (http://bible.logos.com/passage/niv/Genesis%205.4)). With likely hundreds of years of child-bearing capability, Adam and Eve likely had 50+ children in their lifetime.
Like I said, if you want to argue something then atleast read/ research it.
Thats why i dont argue the bible so much, i havn't read it in so long.
Alot of religions don't believe the bible word for word, only a minority of religious people believe in creationism
Im not religious btw
Apparently they only had two sons aswell, so basically they had to have sex with their mum :S Basically Eve was the worlds first woman, and the worlds first ****:)
Unlucky if she had another boy after that.
ive always thought that. they had two sons, so one must have had sex with their mum. seems odd to me.
im not sure why im commenting on this thread tbh. i cant understand how anyone could believe the bible, but hey, thats just me. dont start getting all :@ with me
why not read the thread first? :s
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