Brown refuses snap election and admits Labour would lose

[UKIP]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1184999/Brown-refuses-snap-election-chaos-Conservatives-win.html


Gordon Brown slipped up today by claiming a snap General Election would cause chaos because the Conservatives might win.

The Tory leader immediately jumped on the gaffe, in a fiery Prime Minister's Questions, proclaiming it an admission he would lose if he went to the country.

David Cameron insists the only way to draw a line under the expenses scandal is to dissolve Parliament and hold a General Election now.

But Mr Brown claimed this morning that would be 'chaos' at a time when Britain is battling a deep recession and the country is reeling from the expenses row.


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In a blitz of media interviews, he said: 'Do you really want to see tomorrow, in the midst of a recession, while the Government is dealing with this, the chaos of an election?

'There will be an appropriate time to have an election, but at the moment I think people want us to get on, and get on with the job.'

Pressed what he meant in the Commons, he declared: 'What would cause chaos would be if a Conservative government was elected.'

The House erupted at the comment, to which Mr Cameron joyfully replied: 'So there we have it - the first admission he thinks he's going to lose.'

He added: 'I know the Prime Minister is frightened of elections but how can he believe that in the fourth year of a Parliament, in one of the oldest democracies in the world, that a general election could bring chaos? Have another go at a better answer.'

Mr Brown eventually claimed Tory plans for public spending cuts would cause chaos in terms of the UK's recovery from recession.

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Do you think Brown can hang on to the next General Election or do you think he will be ousted by Labour MP's such as Hazel Blears and so forth. Apparently Labour are on their lowest polling in history.

As a Conservative supporter I personally hope he hangs on and makes sure that Labour will not come into grasp of power for many years to come.

[GommeInc]

He's like an injured dog now, he refuses to back down but we all know, including professionals, that he should be taken round back and shot.

[Immenseman]

I'd rather have Gordon Brown running the country than Cameron. I just find him really hypocritical trying to be "hip" when he has evidently had a secure middle class upbringing. I suppose he went to a public school too. It annoys me that he tries to create the image that the "ordinary" man would vote for him when in reality his policies would benefit the middle class rather than the working anyway.

[Jordy]

I think if there's any chance of him being ousted by labour it'll be after the european elections, everyone's waiting out for that. It depends if Labour does badly or very badly. If he does very badly I can see a rebellion forming within the party but probably never enough people to actually get rid of him.

[Immenseman]

My opinion comes from the limited knowledge I have of politics and political parties so don't shoot me, lol. Just my two cents for what they're worth.

[scottish]

Labour ftw, and lol at david cameron

What annoys me though is the likes of such parties like UKIP, convervatives etc saying "oh you made the recession worse" etc and people in the UK are generally idiots and don't know nothing about the economy, so if labour does lose it'll be due to the recession, which UKIP and any other party i very much doubt would have handled as well/any better.

[UKIP]

I'd rather have Gordon Brown running the country than Cameron. I just find him really hypocritical trying to be "hip" when he has evidently had a secure middle class upbringing. I suppose he went to a public school too. It annoys me that he tries to create the image that the "ordinary" man would vote for him when in reality his policies would benefit the middle class rather than the working anyway.
The class war cannot be used anymore, theres no such thing as certain parties for the working class or middle class. We have seen this week, Labour MP's are just as bad as some Conservative MP's, if not worse.

[GommeInc]

The class war cannot be used anymore, theres no such thing as certain parties for the working class or middle class. We have seen this week, Labour MP's are just as bad as some Conservative MP's, if not worse.
It sort of goes to show you how little knowledge is around for politics though. They don't tell you alot to be honest, like, what does this £40 million a day to the EU actually do and what are the advantages. Parties tend to just shout hatred about certain things yet give very little reasoning to back them up (they only go against them, rather than for them, and with very little reason shown).

It's one thing I've noticed lately, people are going by what they see, rather than do any research because, why should they? They should be told what each things does, not in great detail, but enough to make people not in the know, know ;)

[Mrs.McCall]

I think good on Gordon Brown. It's sensible politics. If there were to be an election now people would be voting off the back of a scandal and the uneducated voter would vote based on headlines and soundbites rather than actual policy.

I also think it is economically wise to not call an election as they cost millions. I think right now Gordon Brown needs to be/needs to do:

-Stronger and tougher
-A Cabinet reshuffle... LONG overdue
-Discuss more Labour policy
-Be more open

I think he seems to be hiding away and only responding when there is lots of pressue. We need the Iron Chancellor back, not somebody who won't lead.

[UKIP]

Labour ftw, and lol at david cameron

What annoys me though is the likes of such parties like UKIP, convervatives etc saying "oh you made the recession worse" etc and people in the UK are generally idiots and don't know nothing about the economy, so if labour does lose it'll be due to the recession, which UKIP and any other party i very much doubt would have handled as well/any better.

Anyone with economic competance, such as the people who run business and pay mortages in this country know perfectly well you don't overspend, this is were, yet again, Labour have tripped up.

YES it is a world recession, YES it was unavoidable, but i'm afraid inheriting one of the best balance sheets this country has had from when the Conservatives left office to spending and spending our way into debt and not saving money for a rainy day, not to mention the disasterous decision the man took with selling our gold while it was at a 25 year low and not only that, but told gold markets a week before he was planning to sell which sent gold prices plummetting in value - them decisions have no excuse, he was far from the economic miracle he was made out to be, as shown with his refusal to cut spending.


It sort of goes to show you how little knowledge is around for politics though. They don't tell you alot to be honest, like, what does this £40 million a day to the EU actually do and what are the advantages. Parties tend to just shout hatred about certain things yet give very little reasoning to back them up (they only go against them, rather than for them, and with very little reason shown).

It's one thing I've noticed lately, people are going by what they see, rather than do any research because, why should they? They should be told what each things does, not in great detail, but enough to make people not in the know, know ;)

Parties very rarely tell you why they they are for or against things, or even what their policy is, your correct. Just look at the Labour 2005 manifesto in which we were promised a referendum on EU reforms - ended up in the shredder just like Tony Blairs expenses documents.

[Immenseman]

The class war cannot be used anymore, theres no such thing as certain parties for the working class or middle class. We have seen this week, Labour MP's are just as bad as some Conservative MP's, if not worse.

So conservatives wouldn't be less lenient on the high taxes people from upper middle class families pay. They can afford it at the end of the day and it's beneficial to the running of the country. Until social class bias is removed from wider society it won't be removed from politics or any other aspect of life.

[scottish]

Anyone with economic competance, such as the people who run business and pay mortages in this country know perfectly well you don't overspend, this is were, yet again, Labour have tripped up.

YES it is a world recession, YES it was unavoidable, but i'm afraid inheriting one of the best balance sheets this country has had from when the Conservatives left office to spending and spending our way into debt and not saving money for a rainy day, not to mention the disasterous decision the man took with selling our gold while it was at a 25 year low and not only that, but told gold markets a week before he was planning to sell which sent gold prices plummetting in value - them decisions have no excuse, he was far from the economic miracle he was made out to be, as shown with his refusal to cut spending.

Oh yeh, lets just let out banking industry fail 4 da LuLzzz 'cause we can't afford to bail 'em out, meh only about 60million people will lose a few thousand to a few million pound, heh.

If we don't spend then ultimately the result is worse the entire sector will just fail, and a financial sector like banking fail that would just completely £$%£$ up our country.

also i don't remember countries having a balance sheet :P Countries have a balance or payments accuont etc, not balance sheets that final accounts in business's ;)

[UKIP]

So conservatives wouldn't be less lenient on the high taxes people from upper middle class families pay. They can afford it at the end of the day and it's beneficial to the running of the country. Until social class bias is removed from wider society it won't be removed from politics or any other aspect of life.

You'd think it to be beneficial but isn't, history has proved it.
United Kingdom (1970's)
Soviet Union (throughout its entire existence)
North Korea (since the socialist revolution)

The economic cycle which keeps a country going is not the state but private enterprise. If you have high income tax, which for one isn't fair that one should have a majority of their wage taken away by the government and secondly drives business away, which means in the end the state is losing more money than it was gaing as business then closes/does not open, people lose jobs and then depend on the state and so forth.

The three examples say it all, socialism was a failed project and its about time the remains of it are sent to the history books.



Oh yeh, lets just let out banking industry fail 4 da LuLzzz 'cause we can't afford to bail 'em out, meh only about 60million people will lose a few thousand to a few million pound, heh.

If we don't spend then ultimately the result is worse the entire sector will just fail, and a financial sector like banking fail that would just completely £$%£$ up our country.

also i don't remember countries having a balance sheet :P Countries have a balance or payments accuont etc, not balance sheets that final accounts in business's ;)

I don't remember the Conservatives saying just leave the banks, the banks are still near collapse now and are still not lending money which is the simple reason why the economy is shrinking as business cannot secure the funds needed to invest. In essense, nationalisation hasn't worked.

Countries don't have a balance sheet, however if you want a successful economy you don't build it up on high tax, lots of regulation and debt now do you, because if you built a business up on that it wouldn't last a week.

[scottish]

I'm pretty sure i recall david cameron saying "let the economy sort itself out" as he didn't wish to invest into the banking sectors and such to save them. which would have caused a complete fail.

So why mention balance sheet if you're aware its used in a country :rolleyes:

[Sammeth.]

I would have to agree with Gordon Brown, and Joey has helpfully rounded up my views exactly in a neat lil sentence. Nice. Labour all the way.

[Immenseman]

Also, I hardly think Brown is saying Labour would lose. He is merely saying that the last thing that needs to happen now is a general election. Obviously, Cameron would pounce on it because he's a leech. I don't really care which party is in power but if I was to vote, it'd be a vote for Labour.

[UKIP]

I'm pretty sure i recall david cameron saying "let the economy sort itself out" as he didn't wish to invest into the banking sectors and such to save them. which would have caused a complete fail.

So why mention balance sheet if you're aware its used in a country :rolleyes:

I have just looked and it appears that Conservative policy was for a restructuing of the banks which would of made the banks conform to government policy, without the costly mergers and nationalisation that this government has undergone.

As for the failure of some banks which brought their collapse on themselves, i'd rather in a worst case scenario a few banks go bust than the country itself, the last thing we want to see if the United Kingdom going to the IMF yet again after another disasterous Labour government.

Balance sheets, finances whatever you wish to call the countries economic management. It is all on balance sheets, expenditure, taxation and so forth. The fact is, instead of arguing for Labours' financial record you have decided to argue over whether we should call our countrys finances balance sheets or something different.

Our finances are in a mess because of Labour as I have stated previously in the thread, so either you stand up for great Gordons economic policy over the past 12 years or you accept that Labour have ruined the economy with generally poor management.

[scottish]

Hardly ruined the economy, every economy has booms and slumps and evidently we're in a slump, its the economic cycle nothing we can do will prevent this in the future.

Obviously you can blame labour because their the ones good enough to be in power, but these ones like UKIP and Conservatives can critisize labour as they're not the ones good enought o be in the position to handle it

trying to argue and take part in hx event at same time hence no essays as a response

[Mrs.McCall]

I would have to agree with Gordon Brown, and Joey has helpfully rounded up my views exactly in a neat lil sentence. Nice. Labour all the way.

100% agree.

I like Gordon Brown, just think he needs to just be a leader or more of a leader.

[UKIP]

Hardly ruined the economy, every economy has booms and slumps and evidently we're in a slump, its the economic cycle nothing we can do will prevent this in the future.

Obviously you can blame labour because their the ones good enough to be in power, but these ones like UKIP and Conservatives can critisize labour as they're not the ones good enought o be in the position to handle it

trying to argue and take part in hx event at same time hence no essays as a response

I acknowledged that earlier on, and went on to explain how Labour have generally made bad economic decisions and were the reason we were unprepared for the recession. The selling of the gold, the massive public spending program that has piled debt on the countrys finances, the pointless and costly cut in VAT, the nationalisation of the banks, high taxes and finally the continuation of the overblown public spending budget which is driving us deeper into debt.

The IMF, EU and Bank of England Governor seem to think we are one of the worst countrys in the world to battle the recession, and that IS Labours' fault, as stated above.

Conservatives and UKIP can blame Labour indeed, and they have a right to. They are not the parties which drove the country to the IMF in the past and maybe in the future, they left office with one of the best debt records in the countrys history.

[scottish]

And if UKIP or Conservative was in power then labour would be laughing at their failure in the economy... but at end their meant to be here to help our country so the parties should be like helping each other and such, instead of everything labour does being critisized, if they have a better idea then they should be speaking to each other as our political parties laughing at each others failure isn't going to help us at all

[Mrs.McCall]

I acknowledged that earlier on, and went on to explain how Labour have generally made bad economic decisions and were the reason we were unprepared for the recession. The selling of the gold, the massive public spending program that has piled debt on the countrys finances, the pointless and costly cut in VAT, the nationalisation of the banks, high taxes and finally the continuation of the overblown public spending budget which is driving us deeper into debt.

The IMF, EU and Bank of England Governor seem to think we are one of the worst countrys in the world to battle the recession, and that IS Labours' fault, as stated above.

Conservatives and UKIP can blame Labour indeed, and they have a right to. They are not the parties which drove the country to the IMF in the past and maybe in the future, they left office with one of the best debt records in the countrys history.

Intresting you say that regarding the IMF:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8059861.stm

They've said that there are ways to improve but we're on the right path.

[FlyingJesus]

Anyone want to hazard an opinion on why a general election at this very moment in time would be a good thing? Labour have made mistakes, yes, and I'm not a supporter of them myself, but when a government is unstable, adding instability doesn't tend to help. If someone else came into power right now they'd have to come up with and carry out plans to "solve" whatever multiple problems there are around, which would likely be far slower than letting the current ones continue for now - at least until we're in a better state to handle change.

Not to mention the cost of general elections...

[Fez]

Snap elections don't fix anything, I think the Convervs are just like a little kid going "BUT I DON'T WANT TO WAIT, I WANT IT NOW!". Thank god Gordon didn't give into them.

One thing though, I do want a general election next year. As far as I remember, there HAS to be one

[scottish]

Yes; there has to be one every 4 years iirc.

[Jordy]

And if UKIP or Conservative was in power then labour would be laughing at their failure in the economy... but at end their meant to be here to help our country so the parties should be like helping each other and such, instead of everything labour does being critisized, if they have a better idea then they should be speaking to each other as our political parties laughing at each others failure isn't going to help us at allSo in other words you want a coalition government? They generally don't work (World War II being the obvious exception).

Over the past few years the Tories have come out with many policies which Labour has openly took on board and simply stolen. I suspect this would explain why the Tories don't announce many of their ideas and policies anymore as they're never going to get to power if Labour just steals all their ideas.

Believe it or not, political parties are there to get into power and not to help each other out other than at times of war.

[scottish]

No i wish for political parties like such atm; but at times like this they shouldn't be going about laughing at each others mistakes, they should be helping each other (obviously labour having the final say but the other parties opinions actually being considered) cause their meant to be here to help our country but atm they're just ******** about each other than trying to solve the final problem.

[luce]

It's a good time to be Conservative or BNP. Everyone has turned to BNP now lol they say they're going to get more seats next election because of this. A conservative government is on the way i think aswell. Shame he won't just have an election and get it over with now instead of prolonging his death.

Even he has seen that he won't be in number 10 for very long now.

[scottish]

He obviously won't have an election now because we're in the middle of an economic disaster, i'm pretty sure he has better stuff to do than try and advertise his party :S

You support David Cameron, so just go..... :P

I'm pretty sure ALOT of people would hate to see that idiot in control of this country.

[clueless]

I am a labour supporter however I do feel as if they need to be voted out in order to make them come round better the next time. I feel their time is up. Parties seem to stay in twice and then people want change and they go to the next party it just seems to be the general trend and I think now change is needed. I don't like Cameron and I certaintly dont trust him, I dont believe we would be in any better position if we had him running the country and it would probably be worse. In a way I hope conservatives get in so that people dislike them again and realise they would do no better!

[Immenseman]

My head tells me Conservatives will be voted into power in the next General Election. However, I also think this time in like 4 years when another General Election is up and coming people will be very eager to get the conservatives out and Cameron like Brown will delay the election because they think they're going to lose.

[clueless]

i agree with that :)! conservatives need to go in to boost labour support again

[Immenseman]

Once we realise they are not fit to run the country :eusa_danc

[UKIP]

No i wish for political parties like such atm; but at times like this they shouldn't be going about laughing at each others mistakes, they should be helping each other (obviously labour having the final say but the other parties opinions actually being considered) cause their meant to be here to help our country but atm they're just ******** about each other than trying to solve the final problem.

How can the Conservatives stand by while Gordon Brown and Labour are running up one of the biggest debt figures this country has ever had? They are called Her Majestys Opposition for a reason.


He obviously won't have an election now because we're in the middle of an economic disaster, i'm pretty sure he has better stuff to do than try and advertise his party :S

You support David Cameron, so just go..... :P

I'm pretty sure ALOT of people would hate to see that idiot in control of this country.

You say that to people who support David Cameron, yet I gave numerous examples on why this government has handled the economy badly and you haven't defended or even acknowledged them at all yet, so until you justify why it makes sense not to cut spending, why it makes sense to sell gold at a 25 year low price, why it makes sense not to save money for a rainy day and why it makes sense to nationalise banks (costing billions) yet exercising no control over them, then you have no argument and no right to criticise someone who supports David Cameron and the Conservatives.


I am a labour supporter however I do feel as if they need to be voted out in order to make them come round better the next time. I feel their time is up. Parties seem to stay in twice and then people want change and they go to the next party it just seems to be the general trend and I think now change is needed. I don't like Cameron and I certaintly dont trust him, I dont believe we would be in any better position if we had him running the country and it would probably be worse. In a way I hope conservatives get in so that people dislike them again and realise they would do no better!

It will be hard in the next four years, Cameron has said it himself, the amount of debt Labour have ran up will make it very hard for Cameron and the Conservatives to manage this country, but if they suceed like Margaret Thatcher did; then the majority of this country will see that yet again, the Conservatives had to clear up the mess left behind a Labour government.


My head tells me Conservatives will be voted into power in the next General Election. However, I also think this time in like 4 years when another General Election is up and coming people will be very eager to get the conservatives out and Cameron like Brown will delay the election because they think they're going to lose.

As above, if they suceed in fixing this mess Labour have yet again left behind as they leave office then people will see them as a success, if they are not radical like Thatcher was then they will fail as the mess Labour have ran us into this time will take a lot to fix. They have a lot on their plate.

[clueless]

It will be hard in the next four years, Cameron has said it himself, the amount of debt Labour have ran up will make it very hard for Cameron and the Conservatives to manage this country, but if they suceed like Margaret Thatcher did; then the majority of this country will see that yet again, the Conservatives had to clear up the mess left behind a Labour government.



i do not see her as a success so we disagree from stage one.

[UKIP]

i do not see her as a success so we disagree from stage one.

The economics say different, compare the 1970's British to 1980's Britain and maybe then you will see the mass improvement.

I would like to ask, would you like to see the United Kingdom go back to the IMF and experience another winter of discontent where the military considered staging a coup against the government as it was so bad?

[clueless]

check the unemployment rates of the 80s.

and i want conservatives in, maybe for different reasons to you so i dont see us as disagreeing

[UKIP]

check the unemployment rates of the 80s.

and i want conservatives in, maybe for different reasons to you so i dont see us as disagreeing

Unemployment isn't economics, if you knew half the story you would know that unemployment was high because old industry had to be sorted and closed, and in time it takes to create new jobs, which led to the recent boom along with the rest of the world.

In the 1970's we had a government controlled by the socialist, even communist unions, a military in serious decline, a economy in dangerous collapse, we had to appeal to the IMF just to keep going, we had dead bodies rotting in the morgues, garbage on the streets, strike after strike as the unions whipped up hate and militantism in support of themselves and we had a mass of younger people actually leaving this country for a better life elsewhere, as it genuinely looked as though the United Kingdom would become a third world country.

If you can't see that, then it must mean you believe in the socialist hate that was whipped up in mostly the North and Scotland against Thatcher by the unions, anyone who thinks decent taxpayers and people should suffer to keep a old dying industry alive is selfish and arrogant above all else.

She encouraged individualism and that is what had made this country have one of the biggest booms in the world over the past fifteen years, those who hate her have either been brought up to hate her, have no understanding of economics or enjoy seeing this country decline.

[Immenseman]

I'm going to be run for PM one day, hope you all vote me.

[clueless]

so you are saying the unemployment rates have nothing to do with her?

[UKIP]

so you are saying the unemployment rates have nothing to do with her?

Actually I said the opposite, I stated that her economic reform of industry led to unemployment. In essence you don't even know why you hate her, you can't reply to what I wrote can you? - because you know its right.

[clueless]

then how exactly can she have been good?

[Immenseman]

i dont like her because my step-mum doesn't.

[UKIP]

then how exactly can she have been good?

I cannot actually believe your ignorance here, I listed in my post not long ago, which you mostly ignored, reasons why Thatcher was good for this country, how she saved this country from economic oblivion. I have listed why her economic reforms were nessacery, so ask yourself once you have read my points properly, would you rather have those circumstances that we had in the 1970's, or do you think unemployment statistics are more important than the countrys health on the whole, I know what everyone else would pick, hence why she was elected to government in 1979.

I also listed earlier to someone else why Gordon Browns policies and actions have failed. It seems you just want to lead me away from them points more and more, so here, I shall post yet again and maybe, just maybe, we'll get a decent discussion out of you instead of one-liners.

In a short response to your question, considering she gave millions the first chance to buy their own homes, put the country on footing to become one of the best, booming economics in Europe, stopped postwar decline, destroyed the corrupt and poisenous unions, closed dying industry which was virtually making us bankrupt and made sure we would never have the circumstances for a potential military coup again because the country was, before her term in office, becoming so bad.

Not only that but she restored national pride, she saved the Falklands from being simply taken by the Argentines and made the United Kingdom proud once again.



Unemployment isn't economics, if you knew half the story you would know that unemployment was high because old industry had to be sorted and closed, and in time it takes to create new jobs, which led to the recent boom along with the rest of the world.

In the 1970's we had a government controlled by the socialist, even communist unions, a military in serious decline, a economy in dangerous collapse, we had to appeal to the IMF just to keep going, we had dead bodies rotting in the morgues, garbage on the streets, strike after strike as the unions whipped up hate and militantism in support of themselves and we had a mass of younger people actually leaving this country for a better life elsewhere, as it genuinely looked as though the United Kingdom would become a third world country.

If you can't see that, then it must mean you believe in the socialist hate that was whipped up in mostly the North and Scotland against Thatcher by the unions, anyone who thinks decent taxpayers and people should suffer to keep a old dying industry alive is selfish and arrogant above all else.

She encouraged individualism and that is what had made this country have one of the biggest booms in the world over the past fifteen years, those who hate her have either been brought up to hate her, have no understanding of economics or enjoy seeing this country decline.

[clueless]

okay yeah she did a few good things and arguebly left the uk in a better state than how it was before but you cant deny that she led us to the money crazed society we are today. she didnt care for the unemployed or lower classes and a perfect example of this is the poll tax and she basically destroyed industries such as mining that people depended on.

[UKIP]

You would rather poverty than wealth and prosperity? - you try living in socialist countrys/former socialist countries like North Korea, Soviet Union and the Peoples Republic of China under Chairman Mao and then come back and tell me you think money isn't important to people, because i'm sure the citzens of them countrys would all tell you they would gladly swap lives with you.

She did care for the unemployed and lower classes, hence why she allowed them to buy their own houses, the only chance they had ever got close to, or had, of buying their own home. You are only saying that because you have been brought up to believe she was like that, she was a daughter of a greengroucer, not like a lot of politicians who are brought up on a country estate.

The mines I have explained earlier on, if its a choice between keeping some mines open which were not making any money and were infact making a loss, making the country bankrupt and ruining the economy or having everyone pay to keep these dying industries open which contributed absolutley nothing to this country, which would you choose?. I have explained before, a service which isn't making money and is a great burden, that isn't vital should be cut.

Poll tax made taxing more fair as there were a lot of inequalities in the taxing system, Thatcher believed in paying for yourself and not for others, below is an example of how the Poll tax made taxing fairer;

Before poll tax, if you were living in your friends house, your friend would have to pay the tax for all people living in that house - that isn't fair, why should one person be taxed for everyone else, as everyone uses council services.

After poll tax, it ment that each person paid for themselves, individually.

These examples show you haven't a clue what your on about and makes me believe, even more so, that your just throwing out what you have heard others around you say, rather than actually thinking about the subject as I did.

[clueless]

i dont htink you have the right to patronise me and act as if i know nothing on the topic, my parents were both victims of her evil ways and the bad decisions she made throughout her time which benifited upper classes but not the lower classes. you obviously have very set views on her and that might be to do with your position of wealth who knows but for me i know all the facts there is to know and have made my judgement. im too tired to debate back for now and anyway this has gone completely off topic. im sure lots will agree with me that she was no good for the country but lots will agree with you that she was, a matter of opinion and dependant on your status.

[UKIP]

i dont htink you have the right to patronise me and act as if i know nothing on the topic, my parents were both victims of her evil ways and the bad decisions she made throughout her time which benifited upper classes but not the lower classes. you obviously have very set views on her and that might be to do with your position of wealth who knows but for me i know all the facts there is to know and have made my judgement. im too tired to debate back for now and anyway this has gone completely off topic. im sure lots will agree with me that she was no good for the country but lots will agree with you that she was, a matter of opinion and dependant on your status.

I can't believe what i'm hearing here, despite all the examples I gave you can still not provide any answers or replys to them which shows you were brought up to believe this.

I'm not wealthy, i'm from Liverpool which is often painted as a victim of Thatcherism, however I looked into the whole story myself and it was infact not Thatcher, but the unions and militant communists/socialists who gave my city its bad reputation.

You say you know facts but you have given none, and you have not even given opinion on my facts which shows you entered this discussion with the intention of me replying to your "thatcher was evil" statements with "thatcher was good" statements, you got that very wrong.

I gave numerous examples of how she benefitted the poor more so than any other government in modern history yet you have chosen to ignore this, like you have chosen to ignore all of this discussion.

Next time your going to enter a discussion on something and start throwing around words like evil and claming she was bad for the economy, maybe actually get together some idea of what the discussion is about, instead of making it up as you go along.