Idea ~ Rewarding

[AgnesIO]

Hey,

Since I did actually raise one decent point in my last thread I will post here..

I was saying that users that do actually behave (Unlike me atm..) don't get rewarded for actually behaving.

I know it sounds babyish, but people might behave if they get extra reputation (or something along those lines) if they don't get a warning/infraction for a certain amount of time.

At the moment, especially for me the warning/infraction system is a joke, so perhaps if users that do behave got rewarded you might not get such a hard time, as to be fair I have given many MOD's, especially Catzy, and unfair hard time.

Thoughts,

Dom

[iAdam]

I disagree, why should we reward you for doing something that you are meant to do anyway, it's like rewarding you for breathing.

[Luke]

Well hang on...

So if you got rewarded for being "good", what would be the point?
You don't get rewarded for obeying the law do you?

And what would you expect as a reward, cause i can't think of any prizes or situations where you COULD be rewarded..

[Sammeth.]

I disagree, why should we reward you for doing something that you are meant to do anyway, it's like rewarding you for breathing.

This wins everything.

[AgnesIO]

I disagree, why should we reward you for doing something that you are meant to do anyway, it's like rewarding you for breathing.

It was just a bloody idea.


Well hang on...

So if you got rewarded for being "good", what would be the point?
You don't get rewarded for obeying the law do you?

And what would you expect as a reward, cause i can't think of any prizes or situations where you COULD be rewarded..

Well actually, you get rewarded for doing well in your job, and you get fired for doing badly?

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Why do you lot have to flame me anyway? When I try and give a POSITIVE idea or post to the forum I get flamed.
:S

[Sammeth.]

It was just a bloody idea.



Well actually, you get rewarded for doing well in your job, and you get fired for doing badly?

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Why do you lot have to flame me anyway? When I try and give a POSITIVE idea or post to the forum I get flamed.
:S
You aren't getting flamed, they are just pointing out the flaws in your idea. The flaw being you shouldn't get rewarded for not breaking the rules as its what you're supposed to do. People get rewarded for making good contributions to the community through the Member of the Month scheme. People don't need to get rewarded for things that are just common sense.

[iAdam]

We're not flaming you, we're stating opinions. We never said anything against you, just the idea. Flaming is personal and our comments were not personal.

[AgnesIO]

You aren't getting flamed, they are just pointing out the flaws in your idea. The flaw being you shouldn't get rewarded for not breaking the rules as its what you're supposed to do. People get rewarded for making good contributions to the community through the Member of the Month scheme. People don't need to get rewarded for things that are just common sense.


Yes they do Sam.

If you look in work places, you get promoted for doing well..

And prisoners in jail get released early, or game consoles for doing well..

[Sammeth.]

Yes they do Sam.

If you look in work places, you get promoted for doing well..

And prisoners in jail get released early, or game consoles for doing well..
People don't get promoted for not breaking company rules or whatever, as that's expected. People get promoted for making a positive contribution to their work place. Just like people here are rewarded for making a positive contribution to the forum.

[iAdam]

People don't get promoted for not breaking company rules or whatever, as that's expected. People get promoted for making a positive contribution to their work place. Just like people here are rewarded for making a positive contribution to the forum.

I agree, hence MOTM. Bottom line is, we will never reward you for something you are meant to do anyway.

[AgnesIO]

People don't get promoted for not breaking company rules or whatever, as that's expected. People get promoted for making a positive contribution to their work place. Just like people here are rewarded for making a positive contribution to the forum.


About 8 people a month, who post of them are the same each month, well done!!!11!

:)

[xxMATTGxx]

About 8 people a month, who post of them are the same each month, well done!!!11!

:)

Actually myself and Garion made some new rules about MOTM. That the same people are no longer allowed to be selected until after so many MOTM's.

[Catzsy]

Thanks Dom, your words are appreciated. :) MOTM is something worthwhile to go for I believe. I hope to see your name there soon!

[Immenseman]

Dom, it's good to see you want to improve the forum but when people highlight the aspects of the idea that wouldn't work they aren't flaming you merely pointing it out. You can get rewarded anyway. MOTM has already been mentioned, people give +REP if you post constructively and integrate good thoughts into your posts which is a "reward".

[PriceTags]

Dom, you throw accusations of flaming around too easily. I am now going to show you the widely accepted definition of flaming from Urbandictionary.


An online argument that becomes nasty or derisive, where insulting a party to the discussion takes precedence over the objective merits of one side or another


Neither I or the other member who has been accused of flaming by you have insulted you or been nasty to you. You need to understand that people will disagree with what you say at one point or another.

[Mint]

If someone said to me "go "x" time without getting an infraction and you will get 10 free reputation points", sure it would be nice and I would obviously go for it. But if I said "no I'm not going to go for it" then I'm basically saying that I will not follow the forum rules, as to get 10 free reputation points all I have to do is follow the rules. So what I am trying to say is that all we are doing is getting rewarded for doing something that we should do anyway. But I do kind of see what you are saying, it would encourage you to do follow the forum rules, but back to square one, all you are doing is following the rules. :P

[AgnesIO]

If someone said to me "go "x" time without getting an infraction and you will get 10 free reputation points", sure it would be nice and I would obviously go for it. But if I said "no I'm not going to go for it" then I'm basically saying that I will not follow the forum rules, as to get 10 free reputation points all I have to do is follow the rules. So what I am trying to say is that all we are doing is getting rewarded for doing something that we should do anyway. But I do kind of see what you are saying, it would encourage you to do follow the forum rules, but back to square one, all you are doing is following the rules. :P


Yeh I know what you mean.

It would obviously be that kind of, but it might give moderators an easier time - as I know for a fact I have often given mod's a rough time - they don't deserve it though!

[buttons]

If you are to say it's to be given to members that start behaving aswell as the ones that have always behaved then it wouldn't work. At school the badly behaved were the only ones that got treats like days out if they started behaving but soon after they would start misbehaving again. It wasn't fair because for the rest of us (yes I behave at school :eusa_ange) we didn't get anything for behaving in the first place but we learn to deal with that. There are many members who can behave on their own accord, they may not get rewarded for it but at least they are not getting punished for it. For me personally, I can not go 4 months or so without receiving an infraction, it doesn't mean i'm misbehaving as it could be down to posting off-topic or double posting. If it was, say 8 months without an infraction and I got 1 for pointless posting it wouldn't be fair if I was disqualified from getting any rewards as it's hardly that much of an offense. Insulting members or being rude, which you seem to have a problem doing, is much worse and I could see why these people wouldn't be praised for it, it wouldn't be fair judgement if people didn't get it for the teeny tiniest things. You would also get members that didn't receive it complaining about favouritism

Along with Member of the Month, (I do think it's flawed tbh, I can always think of better contenders but it's down to judgement from the staff) the rep system is a sufficient enough way of rewarding members. I give rep to others for giving good posts & points etc that will contribute to the forum and benefit the forum other than just the poster, these are generally to the well behaved anyway so they are infact getting the right rewards. The fact that well behaved people (I'm thinking of moderators obviously and people that have had very few or no infractions/warnings) don't seem too bothered about the rewarding issue just shows they're fine with how it is already. All that seems to be brought up is the punishment system, if people are complaining about the punishment system it also shows that people need to start behaving first before rewards could even be considered being given out. As this is thread was created by someone who may be put into the group of misbehaviours (I think you can see from the threads you make of how you get too many infractions :P) then it also clarifys the fact that the ones that can behave are fine without the extra rep or whatever else.

The staff give rewards by VIP from Member of the Month & members can too along with staff by issuing reputation to others for good posts therefore the rewarding system is more than enough. People need to start behaving for themselves - not being hypocritical because I need to too, before rewards should even be thought of. :D

[AgnesIO]

Its not so much insulting members I have a problem with haha :D

Its telling them to leave opr saying I don't like their rooms which is what I normally get in trouble for :P

If it was on a reputation basis it could work like:

1 week = 1 rep
2 weeks = 2 rep
3 weeks = 4 rep
4 weeks = 8 rep
5 weeks = 12 reps

Then people would actually have to be good for a long period to make it worth it - although I know what you mean by the school bit. I hate it when kids that are bad at school, pick up a pencil and get a 'well done' and other crap, but ifyou constantly do well you get nothing.

My reputation was mainly made from my first year at the forum when I have about ten infractions/warnings at any one point - up until like this week, I didn't get ifnractions or warnings for months :D


If you are to say it's to be given to members that start behaving aswell as the ones that have always behaved then it wouldn't work. At school the badly behaved were the only ones that got treats like days out if they started behaving but soon after they would start misbehaving again. It wasn't fair because for the rest of us (yes I behave at school :eusa_ange) we didn't get anything for behaving in the first place but we learn to deal with that. There are many members who can behave on their own accord, they may not get rewarded for it but at least they are not getting punished for it. For me personally, I can not go 4 months or so without receiving an infraction, it doesn't mean i'm misbehaving as it could be down to posting off-topic or double posting. If it was, say 8 months without an infraction and I got 1 for pointless posting it wouldn't be fair if I was disqualified from getting any rewards as it's hardly that much of an offense. Insulting members or being rude, which you seem to have a problem doing, is much worse and I could see why these people wouldn't be praised for it, it wouldn't be fair judgement if people didn't get it for the teeny tiniest things. You would also get members that didn't receive it complaining about favouritism

Along with Member of the Month, (I do think it's flawed tbh, I can always think of better contenders but it's down to judgement from the staff) the rep system is a sufficient enough way of rewarding members. I give rep to others for giving good posts & points etc that will contribute to the forum and benefit the forum other than just the poster, these are generally to the well behaved anyway so they are infact getting the right rewards. The fact that well behaved people (I'm thinking of moderators obviously and people that have had very few or no infractions/warnings) don't seem too bothered about the rewarding issue just shows they're fine with how it is already. All that seems to be brought up is the punishment system, if people are complaining about the punishment system it also shows that people need to start behaving first before rewards could even be considered being given out. As this is thread was created by someone who may be put into the group of misbehaviours (I think you can see from the threads you make of how you get too many infractions :P) then it also clarifys the fact that the ones that can behave are fine without the extra rep or whatever else.

The staff give rewards by VIP from Member of the Month & members can too along with staff by issuing reputation to others for good posts therefore the rewarding system is more than enough. People need to start behaving for themselves - not being hypocritical because I need to too, before rewards should even be thought of. :D

[Dan2nd]

Yes they do Sam.

If you look in work places, you get promoted for doing well..

And prisoners in jail get released early, or game consoles for doing well..

In a way we do get promoted on Habbox Forum, by not breaking the rules and getting banned you have the priviledge to post more and when you post more (in a non spammy way) you work yourself up the wonderful user ranks *cough* erm yeah exciting lol (if thats even how the user ranks work nowdays)

[Arch]

Yeah, this isnt exacty the best idea as many have posted already, and i don't feel like re-typing peoples points.
Although i do understand what you mean Dom, although it would be nice
i think it would be kinda lame :P

[AgnesIO]

Haha iArch :P

The only decent idea I have had that actually got used was the new members having to have post checked!

Ill think of another one, one day... xD

[Catzsy]

Haha iArch :P

The only decent idea I have had that actually got used was the new members having to have post checked!

Ill think of another one, one day... xD



That was an excellent idea and stops a lot of problems on the forum. Very well done for that! =]

[Arch]

Yerr your 1 idea ahead of me, i havnt helped or given anything at all :P

[nvrspk4]

Yerr your 1 idea ahead of me, i havnt helped or given anything at all :P

That's not true, being a part of the discussion is also a big part of the process of making improvements. Anyone who contributes a legitimate point or helps to further the discussion is helping. There's a reason why all members can reply to feedback threads and not just management, everyone has different opinions, viewpoints, and conclusions and when you listen to as many different points of view as you can, you make a more informed and usually better decision :)

On the topic of the thread I really have little to add, I don't think that there need to be rewards, the police don't come give you a lollipop for not shoplifting :P Usually what you do is reward people for being good, not for not being bad. And people are rewarded for being good, via MOTM. Yes, its not a perfect system but unless you have a better one (in which case I'm all ears) I think its a good system. I don't think your system would be a good replacement because its a reward for not being bad, as opposed to for being good. I think the view you're taking on infractions is a little off, you're viewing an infraction as something that is bound to happen and should be expected, while its really something that ideally shouldn't happen, just as an arrest or speeding shouldn't happen.

[AgnesIO]

Yerr your 1 idea ahead of me, i havnt helped or given anything at all :P

As nvr said, you have done contributions! Your posts to this thread in paticular have been good :)


That's not true, being a part of the discussion is also a big part of the process of making improvements. Anyone who contributes a legitimate point or helps to further the discussion is helping. There's a reason why all members can reply to feedback threads and not just management, everyone has different opinions, viewpoints, and conclusions and when you listen to as many different points of view as you can, you make a more informed and usually better decision :)

On the topic of the thread I really have little to add, I don't think that there need to be rewards, the police don't come give you a lollipop for not shoplifting :P Usually what you do is reward people for being good, not for not being bad. And people are rewarded for being good, via MOTM. Yes, its not a perfect system but unless you have a better one (in which case I'm all ears) I think its a good system. I don't think your system would be a good replacement because its a reward for not being bad, as opposed to for being good. I think the view you're taking on infractions is a little off, you're viewing an infraction as something that is bound to happen and should be expected, while its really something that ideally shouldn't happen, just as an arrest or speeding shouldn't happen.


Ok final idea.. Take me off the DNHL? :D:D

My local policeman gave me a lolli (and my friends) once xD

[Arch]

This may sound stupid but what is MOTM
i prob know i just cant think of it atm

[Jam-ez]

As probably mentioned, this is already sort of in place. The reward is having a profile picture and half the stuff that cautioned members don't get. It's just the other way round, you start as "being good!" rather than "an average guy."

[AgnesIO]

This may sound stupid but what is MOTM
i prob know i just cant think of it atm


Member of the Month.

Moderators pick the best contributors to their paticular forums, and they pick a winner.

The person who wins gets 1 month Donator!

[Jam-ez]

Member of the Month.

Moderators pick the best contributors to their paticular forums, and they pick a winner.

The person who wins gets 1 month Donator!

Bias could and probably would occur.

[Catzsy]

Bias could and probably would occur.

Well I would hope not as it would soon become apparent. There is more than one moderator for each section though so it would be more than one person choosing. :)

[dirrty]

Bias could and probably would occur.
Moderators of their sections develop a value consensus regarding who they believe is best suited for MOTM so no, a moderator being biased isn't really an issue. In addition as Catzsy said, there's more than one moderator for each section so all the moderators (of their sections) put their opinion into the pot.

[leah]

I disagree, why should we reward you for doing something that you are meant to do anyway, it's like rewarding you for breathing.


This wins everything.
It really does. You shouldn't be awarded for not being bad, members who do bad are punished and those who do good are rewarded through MOTM. Those who do nothing aren't rewarded and shouldn't be.

[AgnesIO]

It really does. You shouldn't be awarded for not being bad, members who do bad are punished and those who do good are rewarded through MOTM. Those who do nothing aren't rewarded and shouldn't be.

It was just an idea :)

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P.S. Whoever it was in another thread saying 'And you wanted to be rewarded for your good posts'..

I didn't post this for MY game, as I know all to well it wont help me - I weas just posting it as an idea for those do behave!

[kuzkasate]

People! Its only an idea lol your giving the guy a hard time :P Some people might argue with what I said, but personally to me it does look like your giving him a hard time! Its only a suggestion :P

But anyway, I like the idea very much. However I think not everyone on hxf cares about rep & also just think how many people will be good... nearly everyone so that will take a hell of a long time to give rep to all these people.

[AgnesIO]

People! Its only an idea lol your giving the guy a hard time :P Some people might argue with what I said, but personally to me it does look like your giving him a hard time! Its only a suggestion :P

But anyway, I like the idea very much. However I think not everyone on hxf cares about rep & also just think how many people will be good... nearly everyone so that will take a hell of a long time to give rep to all these people.


If no one else is willing to do it I would, mind you I doubt I am trusted by some of the managem,ent with Super Mod tools :P (To get in Mod Panel..)

The idea was to get some people to behave more, and it isnt much point unless you actually behave for a long time - I mean 1 rep means nothing! haha :D

I caqn think of one member of management (Not nessercarily green managers) who has the time to do it LOL

Anyway thanks for the kind comment :)

[Hecktix]

You do get rewarded for behaving... you don't get punished :)

[kr0n1kd0p3]

You don't get rewarded for obeying the law do you?


True, There is no point in bribing people to be good, If you do, what if they take the rewards away people will leave the site? Or annoy Mods about taking there rewards away for doing something they should already be doing.