Should homosexuals be able to adopt??

[Lost]

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against homosexuals, and they might be just as good parents as a mum and dad! However, do you think it's really fair on the children?

If you think about the child, how they are gonna go through school with everyone knowing that he/she only has 2 dads/ 2 mums? I know this kid who used to be at my school and he left because he was bullied constantley because everyone found out he had 2 mothers., I know, kids can be really cruel.

If you asked a bunch of children if they would prefer a mum and dad to two dads, how many of them do you think would say 'yes'?

And also, some children want annominity, having parents that are both the same gender doesn't really help.

If you ask me, I think they shouldn't. I prefer the whole "norm" thing with one mother and one father, it makes things way easier for the childrens life. I think it's really selfish for gay people to adopt children, because at the end of the day they're only thinking about themselves and not the child.


What do you think?

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Moderator]: Thread closed to prevent further arguments.

[eight]

No, it would be messed up having 2 dads and no mum.

[Kieeran]

i think its wrongnot only is it completely out of nature for the child but when u r gay u know ur not gna be able to have kids end of

[Agnostic Bear]

Absolutely not, they will turn the child gay for sure and we don't need more gays in this society, don't take that the wrong way I have nothing against gays being gay, but do it away from children and the public view.

All gays seem to go on about is gay rights, they have exactly the same rights as us, and we've even given them "marriage" (el oh el), they need to shut up (just like feminists) about rights and get back to being idiots in their own home.

If anyone says I'm being sexist, they can shove it up their ass, women are a lot more sexist than men, and if anyone says I'm being homophobic, they can also shove it up their ass (el oh el) as I'm speaking the flat out truth and nobody wants to hear that apart from those who aren't stupid.

[Kieeran]

Absolutely not, they will turn the child gay for sure and we don't need more gays in this society, don't take that the wrong way I have nothing against gays being gay, but do it away from children and the public view.

All gays seem to go on about is gay rights, they have exactly the same rights as us, and we've even given them "marriage" (el oh el), they need to shut up (just like feminists) about rights and get back to being idiots in their own home.

If anyone says I'm being sexist, they can shove it up their ass, women are a lot more sexist than men, and if anyone says I'm being homophobic, they can also shove it up their ass (el oh el) as I'm speaking the flat out truth and nobody wants to hear that apart from those who aren't stupid.

i completely agree with u lol i was just about to edit my post with something similar its like racsism if they get refused the adoption the social are then homophobic it riles me lol and also my uncle and his partner are gay and theyve never wanted to adopt if u want kids and ur gay **** a bird, simple

[Technologic]

Omg no way. We're completely different species to the straights, therefore we should be referred to as such. Y'know, you HAVE to be straight to be able to care for somebody, it's not like a gay person would know how to take care of children.

[Kieeran]

Omg no way. We're completely different species to the straights, therefore we should be referred to as such. Y'know, you HAVE to be straight to be able to care for somebody, it's not like a gay person would know how to take care of children.

that was pathetic


At the end of the day to have children you need to have straight sexual intercourse. if you choose not to then obviously you chosen not to have children

[Technologic]

Yes because you obviously choose to be gay and giving a child a home is the worst thing possible to do.

[Kieeran]

Yes because you obviously choose to be gay and giving a child a home is the worst thing possible to do.

its not like your picking these children off the streets they are in homes maybe not the best but im sure thye would deal with life much better than having 2 dads

[Technologic]

So you're saying that a child who gets moved every 3 months to a different care home, practically destroying their childhood having adverse social and mental effects is much better than having a child in a stable home, with two same-sex parents, irrespective if they're male or female?

Do you have the same view on having two mothers or are you just a hypocrite like most other people who oppose same-sex adoption?

[Sammeth.]

Absolutely not, they will turn the child gay for sure and we don't need more gays in this society, don't take that the wrong way I have nothing against gays being gay, but do it away from children and the public view.

All gays seem to go on about is gay rights, they have exactly the same rights as us, and we've even given them "marriage" (el oh el), they need to shut up (just like feminists) about rights and get back to being idiots in their own home.

If anyone says I'm being sexist, they can shove it up their ass, women are a lot more sexist than men, and if anyone says I'm being homophobic, they can also shove it up their ass (el oh el) as I'm speaking the flat out truth and nobody wants to hear that apart from those who aren't stupid.

I have two straight parents and I'm not straight, so why would two gay parents mean the child will be gay? :S

[Kieeran]

So you're saying that a child who gets moved every 3 months to a different care home, practically destroying their childhood having adverse social and mental effects is much better than having a child in a stable home, with two same-sex parents, irrespective if they're male or female?

Do you have the same view on having two mothers or are you just a hypocrite like most other people who oppose same-sex adoption?

im agaisnt same sex adoption. i just dont think it would be fair on the child that would be adopted under a 2 father or 2 mother family nothing against gays

[Technologic]

im agaisnt same sex adoption. i just dont think it would be fair on the child that would be adopted under a 2 father or 2 mother family nothing against gays

Why isn't it fair?

[Sammeth.]

I'm glad that the UK recognise that anyone capable of giving a child a healthy, stable start in life deserve the right to adopt and laws reflect this. I think it's great that single people of either sex, married couples, gay single people of either sex, gay people in unions etc can all adopt.

[Lost]

Why isn't it fair?

read what i said in the description... that's why I think it wouldn't be fair.

[Kieeran]

because its not normal they already have the stress of losing their original parents then they go to a family where they would be looking to fit in as normal as they possibly could but nooo 'heres your new home theres your daddy and theres your daddy' also they would get bullied at school

[Sammeth.]

because its not normal they already have the stress of losing their original parents then they go to a family where they would be looking to fit in as normal as they possibly could but nooo 'heres your new home theres your daddy and theres your daddy' also they would get bullied at school
A lot of children have been given up for adoption at birth so don't know who their real parents are and won't have that stress. All they will ever know is being in care homes.

[Lost]

A lot of children have been given up for adoption at birth so don't know who their real parents are and won't have that stress. All they will ever know is being in care homes.

It will be obvious they were adopted by having two dads/mums...

[Kieeran]

A lot of children have been given up for adoption at birth so don't know who their real parents are and won't have that stress. All they will ever know is being in care homes.

and not knowing their real parents at all will mean they will long for a family where they fit in with a mum a dad a brother/sister even more

[GommeInc]

I don't see why not? If the two in question have commitment, then it is perfectly fine. If both of them have no abuse records or anything of that kind, it is fine. I don't see how children could be at all effected, other than these brain dead bullies. It's better than rotting in a care home

[Technologic]

Kieran, That is the stupidest comment so far

[leah]

I don't know, I guess gay people can care for a child just as well as straight people, but it would cause the child a lot of stress in the long run.

[Sammeth.]

and not knowing their real parents at all will mean they will long for a family where they fit in with a mum a dad a brother/sister even more
So by that logic single people (regardless of sexuality) shouldn't be able to adopt either?

[Technologic]

Oh oh, what about a same-sex couple with no children adopting?

Won't the adopted child long for a brother and sister.

[GommeInc]

So by that logic single people (regardless of sexuality) shouldn't be able to adopt either?
And adding to that, single parents who have lost their spouse shouldn't keep their children or adopt either. Because that's how pathetic his argument is becoming :P

[Kieeran]

So by that logic single people (regardless of sexuality) shouldn't be able to adopt either?

Basically what im saying is you got o any care home across the country and ask what would be the ideal situation for you

'to have a mother that loves me '

'to have a family with brothers n sisters' etc etc

which child out of the thousands is gna say ' I WANT 2 DADS!!!'

[Technologic]

I'm pretty sure most would say

"to have a home"

[Sammeth.]

At the end of the day a child is subject to stress anyway, its part of growing up and its inevitable. It may come in different forms, but we can't do anything to stop it. Luckily they are growing up in a society where being gay is becoming more and more socially accepted.

[Lost]

I'm pretty sure most would say

"to have a home"

Yes, but ask any child this

would you rather have a mother and a father
or
would you rather have a two fathers...

i'm pretty sure most of them would say a mother and a father?

[Kieeran]

I'm pretty sure most would say

"to have a home"

they're not homeless

[Lost]

At the end of the day a child is subject to stress anyway, its part of growing up and its inevitable. It may come in different forms, but we can't do anything to stop it. Luckily they are growing up in a society where being gay is becoming more and more socially accepted.

yes, well said.

[Sammeth.]

I'm pretty sure most would say

"to have a home"

Or "to be loved" or "to be cared for" or "to have someone I can rely on".

I doubt when you go to a care home and ask a child they have a checklist of requirements, wants and needs.

[GommeInc]

they're not homeless
In theory they are, a care home isn't exactly a proper home, just a glorified hotel with long stays really - no freedom.

[Kieeran]

Or "to be loved" or "to be cared for" or "to have someone I can rely on".

I doubt when you go to a care home and ask a child they have a checklist of requirements, wants and needs.

nobody said they had a checklist what i said is based what i think the majority of the kids would say and those 3 u said sammeth. i agree but its making me out to be a gay hater when im not i just dont think gay adoption is fair tis all

[Sammeth.]

I don't think you're a gay hater, you have a valid view I'm just the opposition. I'm appreciative that we're in a country that sees it my way :P!

[GommeInc]

nobody said they had a checklist what i said is based what i think the majority of the kids would say and those 3 u said sammeth. i agree but its making me out to be a gay hater when im not i just dont think gay adoption is fair tis all
At least you're honest, it's not gay hating, it's just a belief and you do come out with some valid points, some children will say they want a mum AND dad. It's just one of those situations where it probably does eventually depend on the child, but because theya re so young they won't really be able to answer for themselves - would they know what's happening and would they be "Okay" with it.

Technically speaking, it should be fine for them to adopt. Socially though, it may cause hiccups.

[Technologic]

Yes, but ask any child this

would you rather have a mother and a father
or
would you rather have a two fathers...

i'm pretty sure most of them would say a mother and a father?

What about two mothers, a fair few would go for two mothers

[Lost]

What about two mothers, a fair few would go for two mothers

i've actually tried to be careful in this form not to come across as sexest, by only saying 2 fathers and forgetting about the mothers. mb. The kid at my school who left and is now home schooled beacuse he got bullied about having two parents of the same sex, had two mothers, so i guess it applies for both men and women.

[Kieeran]

i havnt really got much more to say without repeating myself and making me look stupid to above i also went to school with someone who had '2 mums' his BIRTH mother turned lesbian and he had a step mum via his mum he didnt neccasarily get bullied but people used to say so'n'sos mums a beefy lesbian jus for a laugh

[Technologic]

i havnt really got much more to say without repeating myself and making me look stupid to above i also went to school with someone who had '2 mums' his BIRTH mother turned lesbian and he had a step mum via his mum he didnt neccasarily get bullied but people used to say so'n'sos mums a beefy lesbian jus for a laugh

Those comments probably came from people like you....

[Lost]

Those comments probably came from people like you....

you're saying that just because he had a different opinion from you? i find that a bit unfair... if that's what he thinks about this topic then that's what he thinks. you cannot decide if its bad or not, as many other people who opposed him said, he had good points about this, it doesnt make him against gays in anyway, which is basically what you are implying(he's against gays)

*he said so himself that he isn't against gays.

[buttons]

Omg no way. We're completely different species to the straights, therefore we should be referred to as such. Y'know, you HAVE to be straight to be able to care for somebody, it's not like a gay person would know how to take care of children.
Then why on earth do the MAJORITY of homosexuals act as though they're a different species to straight people? With their whole gay pride etc, it's nothing to be proud of, it's what you are not as though you're doing something so great it needs to be praised. No offence just how I see it.

that was pathetic


At the end of the day to have children you need to have straight sexual intercourse. if you choose not to then obviously you chosen not to have children
Yes you have to have sexual intercourse to have a child, we're talking about being able to care for one and you don't need to have sex to care for one :S Are you to say that someone shouldn't care for your child if they haven't had straight sex!?? Or what about the people that can't actually have any children, do they not deserve them? Then what would happen to orphans and children up for adoption if these people don't deserve them and neither do same sex parents?:S

I can see where you are coming from Kieran, if only you could be a little less forceful in your argument then maybe you could get somewhere. I couldn't imagine how it would feel being adopted, then brought up with the same sex mother/father then on top of that having to go through the "embarassement" at school. It's just not fair on the children and at the end of the day it's the child that counts, not whoever is bringing them up. I think it's important for a child to have a mother and a father, a girl put into a family with two males are especially going to feel out of place. They're going to need to talk about girls troubles and other things that you wouldn't tend to talk about with your father. In saying that, it's just the same as having one parent. I know of a girl who lives with only her dad due to her mums death and they get on great, probably because she's older and knows all the girl bizz already.
In my family it's just myself, mum and my brother. He doesn't find it any different :S He doesn't get bullied for not having a father figure and just two girls, what's the difference really??? You can't win at school, you could get bullied regardless of your parents, if the fathers/mothers are going to be there for their kids in times like this then I see no harm in it.

i would say no to any male (str8 or not) havin kids coz they're all useless :@:@:@ nah jk dnt hurt me, to confirm I think it's fine for homosexuals to adopt :eusa_danc

[Wootzeh]

no they shouldn't.

/thread.

[Technologic]

Then why on earth do the MAJORITY of homosexuals act as though they're a different species to straight people? With their whole gay pride etc, it's nothing to be proud of, it's what you are not as though you're doing something so great it needs to be praised. No offence just how I see it.

Yes you have to have sexual intercourse to have a child, we're talking about being able to care for one and you don't need to have sex to care for one :S Are you to say that someone shouldn't care for your child if they haven't had straight sex!?? Or what about the people that can't actually have any children, do they not deserve them? Then what would happen to orphans and children up for adoption if these people don't deserve them and neither do same sex parents?:S

I can see where you are coming from Kieran, if only you could be a little less forceful in your argument then maybe you could get somewhere. I couldn't imagine how it would feel being adopted, then brought up with the same sex mother/father then on top of that having to go through the "embarassement" at school. It's just not fair on the children and at the end of the day it's the child that counts, not whoever is bringing them up. I think it's important for a child to have a mother and a father, a girl put into a family with two males are especially going to feel out of place. They're going to need to talk about girls troubles and other things that you wouldn't tend to talk about with your father. In saying that, it's just the same as having one parent. I know of a girl who lives with only her dad due to her mums death and they get on great, probably because she's older and knows all the girl bizz already.
In my family it's just myself, mum and my brother. He doesn't find it any different :S He doesn't get bullied for not having a father figure and just two girls, what's the difference really??? You can't win at school, you could get bullied regardless of your parents, if the fathers/mothers are going to be there for their kids in times like this then I see no harm in it.

i would say no to any male (str8 or not) havin kids coz they're all useless :@:@:@ nah jk dnt hurt me, to confirm I think it's fine for homosexuals to adopt :eusa_danc

Just to clarify, gay people who go out of their way to make it obvious really annoys me. Gay Pride annoys me too, they just alienate being gay and it's stupid.

[Kieeran]

Those comments probably came from people like you....
techno they didnt actually but you know what, theres no need to take it to a personal level. if i wanted to i couldve but im not going to stoop to your level.

you're saying that just because he had a different opinion from you? i find that a bit unfair... if that's what he thinks about this topic then that's what he thinks. you cannot decide if its bad or not, as many other people who opposed him said, he had good points about this, it doesnt make him against gays in anyway, he said so himself, which is basically what you are implying.

Thanks ^ and this is a 'discuss anything' thread where this topic has become a debate and as youve read tech i am against it but because your homosexual i cant have an opinion can i

[Mentor]

My view can be quickly summed up as;

parents > no parents.

Asumming they are good parents its unfair on the child to deprive them of a loving family simply because of society's homophobic commuity.

> For those saying its not normal? how on earth is no parents at all any more normal?

> For those of you saying gay parents will make the child gay, yea what great logic you use, that explains why all straight couples have straight children... *cough* :rolleyes:

[PriceTags]

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against homosexuals, and they might be just as good parents as a mum and dad! However, do you think it's really fair on the children?

If you think about the child, how they are gonna go through school with everyone knowing that he/she only has 2 dads/ 2 mums? I know this kid who used to be at my school and he left because he was bullied constantley because everyone found out he had 2 mothers., I know, kids can be really cruel.

If you asked a bunch of children if they would prefer a mum and dad to two dads, how many of them do you think would say 'yes'?

And also, some children want annominity, having parents that are both the same gender doesn't really help.

If you ask me, I think they shouldn't. I prefer the whole "norm" thing with one mother and one father, it makes things way easier for the childrens life. I think it's really selfish for gay people to adopt children, because at the end of the day they're only thinking about themselves and not the child.


What do you think?

Gay people are becoming more and more accepted in society and children are becoming more aware of this.

Why should everyone know that someone has two parents of the same sex? Nobody will know unless they tell everyone.

I think that saying gay people are selfish for adopting is wrong. They want the best life for the child and they think they can provide that and I see no reason why they shouldn't.


i think its wrongnot only is it completely out of nature for the child but when u r gay u know ur not gna be able to have kids end of

They can get a surrogate mother to have the child for them.

I find the following reply really offensive:


Absolutely not, they will turn the child gay for sure and we don't need more gays in this society, don't take that the wrong way I have nothing against gays being gay, but do it away from children and the public view.

What's the problem with being gay? I don't understand why gay people can't go out in public and why there doesn't need to be gay people in society. I don't see how having two parents of the same sex can turn someone gay either


All gays seem to go on about is gay rights, they have exactly the same rights as us, and we've even given them "marriage" (el oh el), they need to shut up (just like feminists) about rights and get back to being idiots in their own home.

People don't go on about gay rights as much any more, they just don't like that some people treat them unfairly by saying they shouldn't be able to have a union or be able to adopt.


If anyone says I'm being sexist, they can shove it up their ass, women are a lot more sexist than men, and if anyone says I'm being homophobic, they can also shove it up their ass (el oh el) as I'm speaking the flat out truth and nobody wants to hear that apart from those who aren't stupid.

In your reply you've said that gay rights activists should shut up because they have the rights, then you're saying that gay people should be confined to being gay in their own home. I don't see how it makes sense.

-rep (I'm sure I'm not the first). You can't back up your views. You just say "if you disagree, go away."


i completely agree with u lol i was just about to edit my post with something similar its like racsism if they get refused the adoption the social are then homophobic it riles me lol and also my uncle and his partner are gay and theyve never wanted to adopt if u want kids and ur gay **** a bird, simple

They can get the sperm inside 'a bird' other ways, but I think gay people feel they're doing a service by adopting, like other people do and why not?

[Kieeran]

k theres alot to take in off this page and i cba quoting it but maybe my opinions did come across slightly forceful and percieved incorrectly however its not changed my mind and i think that diff-sex couples who cant have children should be prioity to adopt

[PriceTags]

k theres alot to take in off this page and i cba quoting it but maybe my opinions did come across slightly forceful and percieved incorrectly however its not changed my mind and i think that diff-sex couples who cant have children should be prioity to adopt

What if a same-sex couple could provide a better home than an opposite-sex couple?

[Sammeth.]

Just to clarify, gay people who go out of their way to make it obvious really annoys me. Gay Pride annoys me too, they just alienate being gay and it's stupid.

I agree with this. We might as well have Blonde Pride Parade or 6ft Tall Pride Parade cus all of those things, including being gay, are normal to who a person is. There is so much more to a person than being gay, sexuality is irrelevant. I dislike it when people live their lives off of being gay.

(Previously in a conversation with Jen I used the example of having Ginger Pride Parade but she bought up the good point of: "Why would anyone be proud of being ginger?")

[Kieeran]

What if a same-sex couple could provide a better home than an opposite-sex couple?

A same-sex couple couldnt in my opinion love an adopted child the way a opp-sex couple who have tried and failed to concieve children natrually would


dont flame me because its just my opinion

[Mentor]

k theres alot to take in off this page and i cba quoting it but maybe my opinions did come across slightly forceful and percieved incorrectly however its not changed my mind and i think that diff-sex couples who cant have children should be prioity to adopt

If think you have a few misconceptions about how adoption works? You make it sound as if theres a shortage of children and that they are some sort of disposable commodity? Plus im totally against anyone who says any group should have priority in such issues, and think its sick that you think of children in such a way. Its deeply worrying.

Adoption should be based around the children, they should be placed in families who will look after them next. Most definitely not just given to people who match some arbitrary criteria or get "priority".

There are far more children in need of homes, than those willing and suitable to give them homes. Ruleing people out on petty basis's such as gender, sexuality, race or religion is purely stupid. Hence my position gay couples should have exactly the same adoption rights as anyone else.
If people are willing to take in a child and capable of looking after them, then hopefully they can make a dramatic improvement to that child's quality of life.

[ashyboy999]

what make me laugh really hard is the fact how people pass judgement when they have no idea what their talking about. adoption is for when you cant have kids or if your gay. we have in this county straight couple who slaughter and torture innocent babies like baby peter for example.

i know some gays and im not homophobic i actually respect them for saying "if you dont like me then ********". in terms of bullies they can be cruel for whatever reason. my bullies hated me for two reasons first was because my dad wernt a slob on benefits and secondly because i wanted to have a future and not be some drug addict.

straight parents with the kids of today you should be ashamed of yourselves. gays couldnt possibly do a worse job than some of the parents in this country raising thugs, murderers. i say give them a chance.

ill also add that the straight lads i know are wannabe gangsters who think their "sick" with their girlfriends and babies at 15 or 16 years old. but the gay lads ive met have been a completely other spiecies because they actually got manners and are polite and wouldnt stab you if you looked at them the wrong way

[PriceTags]

A same-sex couple couldnt in my opinion love an adopted child the way a opp-sex couple who have tried and failed to concieve children natrually would


dont flame me because its just my opinion

I don't flame people; I respectfully disagree with them. How could a same sex couple not love a child in the same way as an opposite sex couple? You avoided my original question.

[Lost]

If think you have a few misconceptions about how adoption works? You make it sound as if theres a shortage of children and that they are some sort of disposable commodity? Plus im totally against anyone who says any group should have priority in such issues, and think its sick that you think of children in such a way. Its deeply worrying.

Adoption should be based around the children, they should be placed in families who will look after them next. Most definitely not just given to people who match some arbitrary criteria or get "priority".

There are far more children in need of homes, than those willing and suitable to give them homes. Ruleing people out on petty basis's such as gender, sexuality, race or religion is purely stupid. Hence my position gay couples should have exactly the same adoption rights as anyone else.
If people are willing to take in a child and capable of looking after them, then hopefully they can make a dramatic improvement to that child's quality of life.


Adoption should be based around the children, they should be placed in families who will look after them next. Most definitely not just given to people who match some arbitrary criteria or get "priority".

Yes, you are right about how it should be based around the children, and that's why I think it's unfair, because I don't think the children would of wanted the same-sex parents, it causes a lot of bullying and confusion for them.


If people are willing to take in a child and capable of looking after them, then hopefully they can make a dramatic improvement to that child's quality of life

I kinda agree with you on that, I think that the standards of parenting in the UK nowadays is pretty awful, and I think quite a lot of gay people really like children, and they are better than some parents out there in the uk at the moment.

[LoveToStack]

Yeah sure, why not.

[Mentor]

Yes, you are right about how it should be based around the children, and that's why I think it's unfair, because I don't think the children would of wanted the same-sex parents, it causes a lot of bullying and confusion for them.
I'm sure they would all much prefer having no parents and no one that loves them..?
Equally, consider what you just said. Gay parents are bad becuse people dislike gay people. Sounds to me like the problems homophobia, not homosexuality...


I kinda agree with you on that, I think that the standards of parenting in the UK nowadays is pretty awful, and I think quite a lot of gay people really like children, and they are better than some parents out there in the uk at the moment.
Sexuality has little impact on how good a father/mother someone is, the difference is the bad mothers/fathers would never pass inspection and be able to adopt anyway. So you can be reasonably sure regardless of sexuality any parent's who adopt will be good parent's



For those having a hard time understanding the issue, just sway the word gay with black, and you'll see how absurd most the anti gay adaption claims sound. Discrimination based on sexuality has overtaken racism by quite some way in the uk "/

[ashyboy999]

a child wants and needs love, you can give love and time to a baby whatever your sexuality, just like you can if the baby isnt the same colour as you like madonna did and it also dosent matter what religion you are faithful too..

discrimination against homo/bi-sexuals is just as wrong as plain old racism

[Mentor]

a child wants and needs love, you can give love and time to a baby whatever your sexuality, just like you can if the baby isnt the same colour as you like madonna did and it also dosent matter what religion you are faithful too..

discrimination against homo/bi-sexuals is just as wrong as plain old racism
Great sum up. The madonna bit is lols, but the point is simple, true and somthing i can totally agree with.

[ifuseekamy]

Probably, if they're responsible adults. At least they'd be better than the parents who disown or do worse things to their own children on the grounds that they've come out as gay.

[Lost]

Equally, consider what you just said. Gay parents are bad becuse people dislike gay people.

either I'M reading this wrong or YOU'RE reading this wrong. I said the complete opposite to that. I said that most gay parents would probably be better than the parents that we have today in the UK. You hear a lot of stories about baby killings in the news today, which is extremely worrying, all of them were done by same-sex parents. that's why i said i kinda agree with you.

[Mentor]

either I'M reading this wrong or YOU'RE reading this wrong. I said the complete opposite to that. I said that most gay parents would probably be better than the parents that we have today in the UK. You hear a lot of stories about baby killings in the news today, which is extremely worrying, all of them were done by same-sex parents. that's why i said i kinda agree with you.

The response is to the text above it, not the text below it. You states "Yes, you are right about how it should be based around the children, and that's why I think it's unfair, because I don't think the children would of wanted the same-sex parents, it causes a lot of bullying and confusion for them."
Which i responded to first. The response to the second part of what you said can be seen under the quotation of it.

[Caution]

Can they not adopt atm, like?:S:$
Anyway, I think they should have they right to, and it should be up to them whether they want to or not (obv). What I mean is, a gay couple wanting to adopt should think of how the kid would be treated. People in general find it hard to keep their nose out, so an adopted child with gay parents would get bullied most likely. Maybe in a few years when being gay isn't such a big thing, it will be easier for kids growing up with gay parents.

[Mentor]

Can they not adopt atm, like?:S:$
Anyway, I think they should have they right to, and it should be up to them whether they want to or not (obv). What I mean is, a gay couple wanting to adopt should think of how the kid would be treated. People in general find it hard to keep their nose out, so an adopted child with gay parents would get bullied most likely. Maybe in a few years when being gay isn't such a big thing, it will be easier for kids growing up with gay parents.
Although in order for it to become more socially accepted, people do have to start pushing the boundary. If gay adoption is not allowed now, then it will likely halt its progress in to becoming more socially accepted significantly, on the other hand, if its allowed, although it may be a little harder on some kids, those kids will grow up knowing having gay parents isnt a something bad an attitude they will pass on to there own kids, working the homophobia out of society in the coming generations :)

[Lost]

Although in order for it to become more socially accepted, people do have to start pushing the boundary. If gay adoption is not allowed now, then it will likely halt its progress in to becoming more socially accepted significantly, on the other hand, if its allowed, although it may be a little harder on some kids, those kids will grow up knowing having gay parents isnt a something bad an attitude they will pass on to there own kids, working the homophobia out of society in the coming generations :)

how can you say that? you have no idea if they'll grow up thinking it will be great and everything will be wonderful! they could have the worst childhood ever for all you know! i mean, believe me, if i could stop all these idiotic bullies from doing all this stupid stuff with other kids because they're a bit different than them, i would. but we can't, that's reality, quite a lot of kids that have 2 dads or 2 mums will get bullied. and i don't know if you've been bullied before but a lot of people that have been bullied grow up very insecure and in some cases start to agree with what the bullies are saying (in this case; that growing up with 2 dads or 2 mums is wrong) and then what will happen - the kid will probably turn on its own foster parents!!

[Technologic]

Lol, how relevant http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8081829.stm

[Roboevil]

Well, it's either that, or the child stays in a foster home with no parents at all.

There are plenty of children in foster homes at the moment that need parents, if there was a shortage, perhaps as a society we'd be more selective on the parents who get to adopt a child. As it isn't, I'm all for gays adopting.

[Mentor]

how can you say that? you have no idea if they'll grow up thinking it will be great and everything will be wonderful!
Well its kinda already happened/happening? Children have been adopted/raised by gap parents and turned out fine?
Equally in terms of raising a child as opposed to the adoption aspect, this is little different to the response and effect of mixed race couples and there children not all to long ago.


they could have the worst childhood ever for all you know! i mean, believe me, if i could stop all these idiotic bullies from doing all this stupid stuff with other kids because they're a bit different than them, i would. but we can't, that's reality, quite a lot of kids that have 2 dads or 2 mums will get bullied.
Quite a lot of kids that dont have 2 dads or 2 mums get bullied too?


and i don't know if you've been bullied before but a lot of people that have been bullied grow up very insecure and in some cases start to agree with what the bullies are saying (in this case; that growing up with 2 dads or 2 mums is wrong) and then what will happen - the kid will probably turn on its own foster parents!!
Along with all the kids that think being tall/short/fat/thin/ginger/blond/black/white/mixed-race/any other possible aspect that can be different from another/ect ... is bad?

[Lost]

Lol, how relevant http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8081829.stm

Lolllll!!!

[CJW93]

No way, imagine how badly that kid would get terroised in school

[Kieeran]

If think you have a few misconceptions about how adoption works? You make it sound as if theres a shortage of children and that they are some sort of disposable commodity? Plus im totally against anyone who says any group should have priority in such issues, and think its sick that you think of children in such a way. Its deeply worrying.

Adoption should be based around the children, they should be placed in families who will look after them next. Most definitely not just given to people who match some arbitrary criteria or get "priority".

There are far more children in need of homes, than those willing and suitable to give them homes. Ruleing people out on petty basis's such as gender, sexuality, race or religion is purely stupid. Hence my position gay couples should have exactly the same adoption rights as anyone else.
If people are willing to take in a child and capable of looking after them, then hopefully they can make a dramatic improvement to that child's quality of life.

i dont see children as 'disposable commodity'

But your right i don't understand the adoption process fully so its unfair of me to say who i believe should get priority.

I don't agree with same-sex couples adopting but i am all for people adopting obviously all anyone wants is whats best for the kids but in my opinion if i was an adoptee id rather be put with a straight couple than a gay couple.

[PriceTags]

i dont see children as 'disposable commodity'

But your right i don't understand the adoption process fully so its unfair of me to say who i believe should get priority.

I don't agree with same-sex couples adopting but i am all for people adopting obviously all anyone wants is whats best for the kids but in my opinion if i was an adoptee id rather be put with a straight couple than a gay couple.

Again, I would like to ask you what if a same sex couple could provide a better home? You've done quite well in backing up your views (unlike some others), but I think straight people having priority, 'gay people not loving a child in the same way' and this post above are nonsense.

[Kieeran]

Again, I would like to ask you what if a same sex couple could provide a better home? You've done quite well in backing up your views (unlike some others), but I think straight people having priority, 'gay people not loving a child in the same way' and this post above are nonsense.

i and to the loving bit i meant if a straight couple had tried for a baby n failed numerous times then they would treasure an adopted child moreso than a gay couple. dont twist my words because u know what i mean.


good for them if they could, don't mean i agree with it because ive gave my view i dont agree with same sex couples adopting but u know what this thread has changed my views a little wincy bit because if the childs happy with a gay couple then who am i to judge it

[PriceTags]

i and to the loving bit i meant if a straight couple had tried for a baby n failed numerous times then they would treasure an adopted child moreso than a gay couple. dont twist my words because u know what i mean.


good for them if they could, don't mean i agree with it because ive gave my view i dont agree with same sex couples adopting but u know what this thread has changed my views a little wincy bit because if the childs happy with a gay couple then who am i to judge it

The point I'm making is at the end of the day, the couple (opposite sex or same sex) who can provide the best home will get the child as long as the child is happy to go to them. It's a completely fair system. I can't say I did know what you mean by "gay people wouldn't love a child in the same way". I took that to mean a gay couple wouldn't be able to look after a child and care for it in as well as a straight couple.

[Kieeran]

I cant be bothered to say anymore on the subject unless questioned i've said my views and why. in a nutshell; I don't agree with Gay adopting however if the child is happy i don't care who adopts

[PriceTags]

I cant be bothered to say anymore on the subject unless questioned i've said my views and why. in a nutshell; I don't agree with Gay adopting however if the child is happy i don't care who adopts

Well in general children don't end up with parents they aren't happy with.

[Lost]

The point I'm making is at the end of the day, the couple (opposite sex or same sex) who can provide the best home will get the child as long as the child is happy to go to them. It's a completely fair system. I can't say I did know what you mean by "gay people wouldn't love a child in the same way". I took that to mean a gay couple wouldn't be able to look after a child and care for it in as well as a straight couple.

mhm, I think Gay Couples would be way better carers than some of the scum parents we say today in the uk who end up getting them taken away anyway.

[Sammeth.]

To the person who asked, its perfectly fine for gay people to adopt in the UK and so it should be!

http://www.adoptionuk.org/adoption_facts.asp?session=England&menuid=1

Who can adopt in England and Wales?
Marital Status Single people, married couples, cohabiting couples and same-sex couples can all adopt. Sexuality is not a barrier to adoption.

Age Adopters in England and Wales must be over 21 years of age (18 if one of a couple is the birth parent). There is no upper age limit, but the placing authority must be confident anyone adopting a child will have the energy required and be in good enough health to offer a stable home.

Finances You do not need to be wealthy or a homeowner to adopt, but will need to give details of income and explain how you would support a child. You must have adequate space to cater for the needs of the child and, depending on your circumstances, may be eligible for financial support from the local authority, reviewed annually. You can also apply for means tested benefits and tax credits like any other family.

Health Adoptive parents need the energy to cope with family life and meet the needs of the child throughout childhood and into early adulthood. Health and well-being play a part in the assessment process, but you are not automatically disqualified for being disabled, overweight or having a medical condition. If you have a medical condition or disability, but are unsure how you would cope on a practical level, use Adoption UK’s PAL service to speak to an adopter with that condition.

Other Considerations If you have a criminal record, you must disclose this when applying. It will not automatically disqualify you from adopting, but the law will not permit anyone to adopt or foster if they, or a member of their household, has been convicted or cautioned for offences against a child.

Due to the effects of passive smoking on babies and children, some adoption agencies are cautious about placing a young child in a smoking household, particularly if they have a history of heart or respiratory problems. Smokers are not automatically discounted from adopting, but an adoption agency will consider the possible effects and discuss the associative issues with prospective adopters.

[PriceTags]

mhm, I think Gay Couples would be way better carers than some of the scum parents we say today in the uk who end up getting them taken away anyway.

That's why gay people should be and are allowed to adopt.

[Lost]

That's why gay people should be and are allowed to adopt.

yeah, but my point was that the children might not want to go through the childhood it COULD go through with all the bullying etc... i felt real sorry for the kid who is now getting home schooled because of the bullying that went on with him, due to having 2 mothers.

[Jordy]

I see no issue with gay parents being able to bring up the kid, if single parents can bring up kids fine then I'm sure gay parents can do as equally good job.

I think most kids would be happier with any parents rather than no parents at all, it should be purely up to the child. We're not in any position to dictate who should adopt, there's many people who need parents so we can't afford to turn away such a large audience.

[PriceTags]

yeah, but my point was that the children might not want to go through the childhood it COULD go through with all the bullying etc... i felt real sorry for the kid who is now getting home schooled because of the bullying that went on with him, due to having 2 mothers.

I agree that that could be an issue, but the fact that gay people were called "selfish" because of that is outrageous. I think the school should do anything they can to deal with that and educate people about adoption in citizenship lessons.

[7]

if thats someone's choice, then they can do what they want
it's nobody else's business..

[Lost]

I agree that that could be an issue, but the fact that gay people were called "selfish" because of that is outrageous. I think the school should do anything they can to deal with that and educate people about adoption in citizenship lessons.

well i think it is quite selfish sometimes, because there is bullying out there, i mean lets face it, none of us want it but there IS bullying. and those people should know what they are about to put their adopted child through... i'm just saying that gay people that want to adopt and do it without actually thinking of the happiness of the child, and just do it because THEY want one is extremely selfish.

[7]

yeah and the bullies are all the homophobic people that have just posted on this forum about how wrong it is.

[Lost]

if thats someone's choice, then they can do what they want
it's nobody else's business..

that's exactly what i mean... gay people that want to adopt and go 'i can do what i want its my choice' are quite selfish, because you can just tell they're not actually thinking about what the child might have to go through in life.

[PriceTags]

well i think it is quite selfish sometimes, because there is bullying out there, i mean lets face it, none of us want it but there IS bullying. and those people should know what they are about to put their adopted child through... i'm just saying that gay people that want to adopt and do it without actually thinking of the happiness of the child, and just do it because THEY want one is extremely selfish.

Social Services will not allow someone who wants a child for their own benefit have one. It's quite a rare thing, but with a bit of education, the bullying could be stopped.

[7]

that's exactly what i mean... gay people that want to adopt and go 'i can do what i want its my choice' are quite selfish, because you can just tell they're not actually thinking about what the child might have to go through in life.

go through homophobic abuse from people like you?

[Lost]

go through homophobic abuse from people like you?

want do you mean from people like me? you're an actual idiot! because i disagree with something like this, you automatically assume i'm homophobic and against gays. no, i'm not. this is MY opinion, if you actually read what i've just said 'they'd probably be better parents than some of the scum (straight parents) we have today' then you wouldn't of been such a ****** and said what you just said. People like you ******* irritate me like hell.

[Lost]

Social Services will not allow someone who wants a child for their own benefit have one. It's quite a rare thing, but with a bit of education, the bullying could be stopped.

People like 7 really annoy me, why do idiots like him who are probably like 5 year olds irl post replies on this thread anyway? if they clearly don't know what we're talking about? -.-'

he's too naiive to respect OTHER peoples opinions, and assume that i'm homophobic because i've questioned why should they adopt?

[7]

want do you mean from people like me? you're an actual idiot! because i disagree with something like this, you automatically assume i'm homophobic and against gays. no, i'm not. this is MY opinion, if you actually read what i've just said 'they'd probably be better parents than some of the scum (straight parents) we have today' then you wouldn't of been such a ****** and said what you just said. People like you ******* irritate me like hell.

people like you who think they can voice such an offensive opionion to people who want to actually do something happy and positive irritate me. can't stand to see people actually doing what they want to do is your problem. the kids would have a better life with them than growing up with an abusive person that thinks its ok to pick at someone else. in what postion are you to say that, oh wait you arnt.

[Lost]

people like you who think they can voice such an offensive opionion to people who want to actually do something happy and positive irritate me. can't stand to see people actually doing what they want to do is your problem. the kids would have a better life with them than growing up with an abusive person that thinks its ok to pick at someone else. in what postion are you to say that, oh wait you arnt.

1. it's not offensive, you're just assuming it is because i'm disagreeing with something that has something to do with gays.
2. you don't understand the difference between the ADOPTERS happiness, and the CHILDS happiness, if you were smart enough you'd realise that the childs happiness is more important (even if the parents are straight or not)
3. yes, i'm sure, AND i've said in the past few pages that gay people would probably be better parents than some of the straight parents we have today in the world, but the kid is most likely to get bullied at school, which is obviously resulting to a not-so-happy childhood (unless you're too stupid to even understand THAT!)
4. in what position to you think you're in to so boldly disagree with other peoples honest opinions? i'm not being homophobic in ANYWAY at all, i'm just simply saying that the child might not be as happy as he would be with a mum and dad. However, it's idiots like you in the world who assume that we're talking badly about gay people, because we don't agree with ONE thing, which is really pathetic. so yeah, well done on embarrassing yourself on Habboxforum!

[7]

1. it's not offensive, you're just assuming it is because i'm disagreeing with something that has something to do with gays.
2. you don't understand the difference between the ADOPTERS happiness, and the CHILDS happiness, if you were smart enough you'd realise that the childs happiness is more important (even if the parents are straight or not)
3. yes, i'm sure, AND i've said in the past few pages that gay people would probably be better parents than some of the straight parents we have today in the world, but the kid is most likely to get bullied at school, which is obviously resulting to a not-so-happy childhood (unless you're too stupid to even understand THAT!)
4. in what position to you think you're in to so boldly disagree with other peoples honest opinions? i'm not being homophobic in ANYWAY at all, i'm just simply saying that the child might not be as happy as he would be with a mum and dad. However, it's idiots like you in the world who assume that we're talking badly about gay people, because we don't agree with ONE thing, which is really pathetic. so yeah, well done on embarrassing yourself on Habboxforum!

if you listened to my point before, kiddie, the only unhappiness that the child will get is from people like you shouting 'OMG I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR PARENTS, ITS WRONG THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ADPOTED YOU' in their face, because like you said, that's your opinion. the same opinion that's going to make a child unhappy, like you said.

[Lost]

if you listened to my point before, kiddie, the only unhappiness that the child will get is from people like you shouting 'OMG I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR PARENTS, ITS WRONG THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ADPOTED YOU' in their face, because like you said, that's your opinion. the same opinion that's going to make a child unhappy, like you said.

F.Y.I i wasn't shouting WHY SHOULD THE GAYS ADOPT THE CHILDREN OMG NO WAY SHOULD THAT HAPPEN ITS WRONG THE SHOULDNT HAVE ADOPTED THEM!! what i said was that should they consider it through before just signing a contract, if they don't then they're being selfish by not thinking what the child could go through. and ALSO if I was a bully like you make me out to be, i wouldn't be taking the time to understand both sides of the story, unlike you who just jump to conclusions in hope to look all big, well listen kid, YOU have to understand both sides of the story to have an argument, before you start one. People like you actually make me want to be sick, and I can't even type anymore of this it's just irritating me... notice how you're the only idiot in this thread that has said all the junk like this. even people that agree with the adoption, has understood what the OTHER side of the story is! Oh yeah, and if you listened to MY point before, i clearly stated MANY times that i have NOTHING against gay people AT ALL. And why would I say all that stuff to the children? if i have just spent about 2 hours stating how the CHILD should be happy, the child comes first etc... man you're a ******* idiot!

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[rudipops]

if you listened to my point before, kiddie, the only unhappiness that the child will get is from people like you shouting 'OMG I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR PARENTS, ITS WRONG THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ADPOTED YOU' in their face, because like you said, that's your opinion. the same opinion that's going to make a child unhappy, like you said.

What the bobbaaa. Why are you having an argument over his opinion? What you're saying is just YOUR opinion so can you like SHUTUP :S

[7]

F.Y.I i wasn't shouting WHY SHOULD THE GAYS ADOPT THE CHILDREN OMG NO WAY SHOULD THAT HAPPEN ITS WRONG THE SHOULDNT HAVE ADOPTED THEM!! what i said was that should they consider it through before just signing a contract, if they don't then they're being selfish by not thinking what the child could go through. and ALSO if I was a bully like you make me out to be, i wouldn't be taking the time to understand both sides of the story, unlike you who just jump to conclusions in hope to look all big, well listen kid, YOU have to understand both sides of the story to have an argument, before you start one. People like you actually make me want to be sick, and I can't even type anymore of this it's just irritating me... notice how you're the only idiot in this thread that has said all the junk like this. even people that agree with the adoption, has understood what the OTHER side of the story is.

glad you think im right :)
now stop being a homophobic bully and let people get on with their own lives without having to have a say in everything and feeling you need to tell them to do what you think is best.

[Lost]

glad you think im right :)
now stop being a homophobic bully and let people get on with their own lives without having to have a say in everything and feeling you need to tell them to do what you think is best.

1. you just joined this conversation, you have literally no idea what's going on.
2. taht's why you just jumped to the conclusion that i was a homophobic bully.
3. i've just spent 2 hours defending the child, so hwo can i be a bully?
4. please quote any phrases that i have said which makes me in any way homophobic.
5. i'm not telling anyone what is best, i'm simply saying what I think of it, and letting other people say what they think of it, you are doing nethier of them and just shouting at the people on the opposing side of what you think, which is immature and stupid - i guess that pretty much fits you anyway.
5. I didn't force you to go in this thread, people had their own choice to comment and say what they think - afterall this is a debate, you probably don't know what that means though, considering you're 7 years old.
6. You've realised that you have been defeated, and you are wrong, and you've made a total fool out of yourself on HxF, so you try and end this argument by saying "glad you think i'm right".
7. I would really like to see those QUOTES that imply that i'm a homophobic bully, like you said i am.
8. You're actually so stupid you fill me with anger. please leave HxF.

thank you, and good day!

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[7]

8. You're actually so stupid you fill me with anger.

yeah that was my aim :eusa_danc

bye bully


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[Lost]

yeah that was my aim :eusa_danc

bye bully

bye bully. ahah very mature, thank you for proving my point on "You're 7 years old irl" and "stupid and immture" :D!

Oh yeah and thanks for also proving my point on "you've realised you are wrong so you leave stupid comments like that and leave"

i love how you just embarrassed yourself on HxF!! :D!!!

[Japan]

The child being happier with two stable parents instead of being carted around care homes depends on their personality.
I know one kid who has had about four sets of foster parents, and shes perfectly happy.

[Dinosaurawrr]

not anyone can make a mum or a dad it depends on how they are with the children but they can learn to become good parents.
children love there parents either way wether theres 2 mums or 2 dads it may be alot of hassel for the children but what is norm.
its over rated is it normal to be this normal to be that?
normal depends on the person the child may feel that having two mums is normal or 2 dads is normal because alot of the time as a child they wouldent know any better as they have grown up with this.
when they get older they will realise that other children have mum and a dad but in all fairness
some children have to mums and two dads because there parents have split up and moved on
therefore its the same imo.
either way that child will love whoever there parents are no matter what
its how things are..



p.s whys everyone fighting :O