European Election Results 2009

[-:Undertaker:-]

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The European Election 2009 results are expected within the next few hours from across the United Kingdom and the European Union, the EU estimates a record low 43% turnout from across Europe and exit polls indicate the centre-right has taken seats from the left in the European Parliament.

The United Kingdom has 72 seats in the European Parliament and all are being contested, among the winners tonight are expected to be mainly the Conservatives, UKIP, Green Party and the BNP. Labour are expected to lose badly and come under UKIP according to the last opinion polls conducted, if Labour does come under UKIP or the Liberal Democrats then many expect the premiership of Gordon Brown to be hanging by a thread.

The predicted results are taken from the UK polling report website from the last poll which was conducted. UK Polling Report (http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/european-elections)


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The Conservative Party is a right wing party and is expected to remain the United Kingdoms' largest party in the European Parliament. The Conservative Party is for re-negociated terms for the UK in the European Union and favours home rule compared to European rule.

Predicted outcome: 1st
Predicted result: 26%


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The United Kingdom Independance Party is a right wing party committed to withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union. UKIP are expected to become the second largest UK party tonight.

Predicted outcome: 2nd
Predicted result: 18%

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The Labour Party is a left wing party which favours futher intergration into the European Union. Labour are expected to do badly tonight and are closely competiting with UKIP and the Liberal Democrats.

Predicted outcome: 3rd
Predicted result: 16%

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The Liberal Democrats are a left wing party which favours futher intergration into the European Union. The Liberal Democrats are expected to come out of the election with the same number of seats that they entered with.

Predicted outcome: 4th
Predicted result: 15%

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The Green Party are a left wing organisation which support intergration into Europe based on climate change issues. The Greens are expected to pick more more seats than they did in the 2004 elections.

Predicted outcome: 5th
Predicted result: 10%

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The British National Party are a prominently right wing party with some left wing tendancies who want complete withdrawal from the European Union. The BNP are expected to pick up their first seat tonight in the North-West of England and are also being closely watched in London where in London Assembly elections they picked up a seat.

Predicted outcome: 6th
Predicted result: 5%


As the results are coming in we can gather what the mood appears to be, the result of the expenses row on politics and whether or not Gordon Brown will be able to hang on past monday as Prime Minister.

Apart from the results, who were you supporting in the European Union Parliamentary elections, or if you did vote, who did you vote for and why?

[jam666]

I am in support of the Conservative party:)

With any luck labour will get below 20% of the votes and then gordon brown will be forced to resign :) If he did resign a new leader would be appointed and a general election could be called as early as October. If the Conservatives got elected they would then call a referendum on the lisbon treaty and thus everyone would be happy :).

[Immenseman]

I am in support of labour :)

[Hecktix]

I voted for labour :)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Hopefully Gordon Brown hangs on and we would then see the Labour Party do even worse than it is expected to at the next General Election. I'm in support of the Conservatives and UKIP tonight, although I would like to see the BNP gain a seat to show how disgusted we are with the expenses row and also to show that people now want British interests to be protected. :)

[jam666]

It would be more devasting for the labour party if gordon brown did step down as then a general election would HAVE to be called therefore a new government (conservatives) can be elected and then we can finally have a referendum on the lisbon treaty.

[Technologic]

The Green party.

Bahaha, Nick Griffin being mobbed in Manchester being called "Nazi Scum"

[Immenseman]

It would be more devasting for the labour party if gordon brown did step down as then a general election would HAVE to be called therefore a new government (conservatives) can be elected and then we can finally have a referendum on the lisbon treaty.
i have only seen like 5 of your posts and every single one has mentioned this lisbon treaty...

[-:Undertaker:-]

It makes me laugh - the hypocrisy against the BNP, how can the BNP be called racist when there is a Black Police Officers Association? - the protesters against the BNP appear to all be long-haired hippy students who no doubt support partys such as the Communist Party of Great Britain yet we never hear of calls for these equally bad partys who are totally against democracy to be banned.

I don't support the BNP and most people, even those who vote for them, know they have a lot of thugs within the party and probably would ruin this countrys economy if they ever did get into power. The thing that makes people vote for the BNP and the thing that people are sick to death of is that British people are becoming second class citzens in their own country, people are sick to their back death of political correctness gone mad.

Either you have a Black Police Officers Association and a British National Party or you ban them both - there is no two way about it, people are sick to death of the hypocrisy from this government and the other parties aswell.

[Mickword]

GO WOOOOP, MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY!

[jam666]

i have only seen like 5 of your posts and every single one has mentioned this lisbon treaty...

They include the lisbon treaty as it is a key issue that needs to be discussed.

[Hecktix]

North East:

1) Labour
2) Conservative
3) Lib Dem
4) UKIP


woop woop!

Labour down 9% of the vote, conservatives only up 1%.

[Sammeth.]

1 seat to each of the main three so far. Go labour!

[Hecktix]

1 seat to each of the main three so far. Go labour!

Shame that that was the only really Labour dominated area in the first place :(

Labour: 1
Conservative: 1
Lib Dem: 1
UKIP: 0
BNP: 0
Green: 0

[Sammeth.]

Yeah, but still a seats a seat!

[Hecktix]

I sure hope it's more than one Sam :P

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Dutch far right party has come second place in the Dutch results, the focus of the elections will be to see whether or not Labour can manage to stay ahead of UKIP and the Liberal Democrats, its them two partys which are crucial to Gordon Browns survival.

It is also an indicator of the General Election and the big problem the Conservatives face is whether or not in a General Election people from the fringe partys will either desert them partys, join the Conservatives or join Labour.

On the North East results, a Labour stronghold - glad to see terrible results there for Labour who are down 9% in a stronghold. :)

[Sammeth.]

I sure hope it's more than one Sam :P

Oh it will be :8

[Misawa]

Conversative Party is inevitably coming out victorious at the General Election. Now all that needs to happen is for it to hurry up and arrive. Hopefully more of a public uproar against Labour will emerge and a GE will be forced.

[jam666]

Conversative Party is inevitably coming out victorious at the General Election. Now all that needs to happen is for it to hurry up and arrive. Hopefully more of a public uproar against Labour will emerge and a GE will be forced.

Agreed. Im 100% sure that the majority of the UK would not want to allow labour to have another year to wreck this country.

Bring on the general election!

[Immenseman]

Is only Gordon Brown and his party allowed to decide when the next General Election is?

[PriceTags]

The queen can shout at him and ask for one I think.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Parliament has to be dissolved by mid-2010, however inbetween then and now Gordon Brown and Labour have the power to choose when to dissolve parliament, unless the Queen did so due to a national emergency.

[jam666]

at this moment in time yes, however if gordon brown was to step down and a new leader appointed, a general election would have to be brought forward as it will then be the 3rd leader in 1 term of government and the 2nd leader that the public has not voted in.

Therefore if gordon was to step down right now we would be looking at a possible general election in October.

[Immenseman]

OK, so realistically if Brown stays which I think he will he will put the election off until May?

[jam666]

OK, so realistically if Brown stays which I think he will he will put the election off until May?

Yes it will be held as late as possible as he wants to push through the lisbon treaty :P

[Immenseman]

LEAVE THE TREATY ALONE!!!

[Hecktix]

How many times!

Gordon Brown is not leaving the General Election until the last possible moment to 'push through the lisbon treaty'

He's leaving it until last minute so he has 11 months to attempt to save his party from disaster.

[PriceTags]

You're going a bit OTT with the treaty thing; we get the point.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I hope he stays on as long as possible, the more seats Labour lose the better, but then again, for Cameron to be a success he will have to be radical like Margaret Thatcher and if he isn't then he will fail.

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 4
Labour - 2
Lib Dems - 2
UKIP - 2

[Hecktix]

Huntingtonshire:

Conservative
UKIP
Lib Dem
Labour

Labour down 6%

Conservative: 4 seats
Labour: 2 Seats
UKIP: 2 seats
Lib Dem: 2 seats

[Misawa]

Is only Gordon Brown and his party allowed to decide when the next General Election is?

If there is enough public outcry against Labour, like a huge, huge uproar, then a GE is forced. The sooner the better. And realistically, such an uproar is more than possible. Just look what's happening to his own party. Gordon Brown is absolute scum.

[Hecktix]

Current Percentage Standings:

Conservative: 28.1%
UKIP: 18.4%
Lib Dem: 14.8%
Labour: 14.4%
Green: 8%
BNP: 6.8%

[Uwe]

C'mon BNP. Hopefully the BNP will get at least 1 seat, although Griffen thinks it's doubtful.
I voted BNP - oh, and before I get mobbed with -rep, please actually LOOK at what the BNP want to do instead of what the media says they want to do, in no way are the BNP racist xoxo.

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 6
Labour - 3
UKIP - 3
Lib Dems - 3
BNP - 1

16 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[Hecktix]

Conservative: 6
Labour: 3
UKIP: 3
Lib Dem: 3
BNP: 1

Oh dear.

[Uwe]

w00p. C'mon BNP!

[PriceTags]

C'mon BNP. Hopefully the BNP will get at least 1 seat, although Griffen thinks it's doubtful.
I voted BNP - oh, and before I get mobbed with -rep, please actually LOOK at what the BNP want to do instead of what the media says they want to do, in no way are the BNP racist xoxo.

Tell us what the BNP want to do besides kicking non-white people and gay people out of the country.

[Hecktix]

C'mon BNP. Hopefully the BNP will get at least 1 seat, although Griffen thinks it's doubtful.
I voted BNP - oh, and before I get mobbed with -rep, please actually LOOK at what the BNP want to do instead of what the media says they want to do, in no way are the BNP racist xoxo.

Paying BRITISH CITIZENS to leave the country because of their skin colour is in no way racist? :rolleyes:

Yorks & Humber

Conservative
Labour
UKIP
Lib Dem
BNP

[-:Undertaker:-]

This country cannot call the BNP racist when we have organisations allowed such as the Muslim Council of Great Britain and the Black Police Officers Association. Either we have no divides over race or we allow divides over race, it must be equal and fair, not one sided. The BNP have just won a seat and i'd say good luck on them, they were fairly elected.

National share of the vote so far puts Labour under the Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Conservatives and other. :)

[Misawa]

Tell us what the BNP want to do besides kicking non-white people and gay people out of the country.

And creating Hitler Youth camps indoctrinating children via social networking websites with a white supremacist mascot.

[Uwe]

Tell us what the BNP want to do besides kicking non-white people and gay people out of the country.

Wrong on both things you say, the BNP do not want to kick non-white people out of the country.

The BNP want British jobs for British people - BRITISH. British can be black, white, pink or blue. The BNP want to close the boarders to immigrants, the BNP don't blame nor hate the immigrants, they blame the greedy politicians that let the country get into this state. Black British people are more than welcome into the country as they give to the country etc etc. Here is a good link for you to read: http://bnp.org.uk/2007/12/is-the-bnp-racist/

edit: You may also point that Nick Griffen said that he doesn't believe a white should marry a black (I was having this arguement earlier and a friend pointed this out), however, Griffen doesn't plan on making any rules on this. You can't tell me that ALL Labour, Lib dems PM's aren't racist? or they are all for homosexual rights? Also, like the Conservsatives, the BNP WERE against homosexuals (key word: WERE). If you are going to hold that against the BNP, (their past) then you should also look closely at the past of the conservatives.

[Fez]

C'mon BNP. Hopefully the BNP will get at least 1 seat, although Griffen thinks it's doubtful.
I voted BNP - oh, and before I get mobbed with -rep, please actually LOOK at what the BNP want to do instead of what the media says they want to do, in no way are the BNP racist xoxo.
Evict all immigrants? Abolish immigration? Make a whole indigenous Britain?

It's not the immigrants fault that they 'get jobs' and 'get houses first', it's the governments, and it's obvious a new government would change this. BNP would go in an entirely different direction and make the UK generally unstable and insufficient without immigrants' workforce.

[Fez]

Wrong on both things you say, the BNP do not want to kick non-white people out of the country.

The BNP want British jobs for British people - BRITISH. British can be black, white, pink or blue. The BNP want to close the boarders to immigrants, the BNP don't blame nor hate the immigrants, they blame the greedy politicians that let the country get into this state. Black British people are more than welcome into the country as they give to the country etc etc. Here is a good link for you to read: http://bnp.org.uk/2007/12/is-the-bnp-racist/

You've been brainwashed.

[PriceTags]

Wrong on both things you say, the BNP do not want to kick non-white people out of the country.

The BNP want British jobs for British people - BRITISH. British can be black, white, pink or blue. The BNP want to close the boarders to immigrants, the BNP don't blame nor hate the immigrants, they blame the greedy politicians that let the country get into this state. Black British people are more than welcome into the country as they give to the country etc etc. Here is a good link for you to read: http://bnp.org.uk/2007/12/is-the-bnp-racist/

They don't deny any of the things I said they did in that article. They are pointing out that other communities have their own associations like the BNP have one. As far as the BNP are concerned people who aren't white aren't British.

Edit: In reply to your point: because I don't support the BNP doesn't automatically mean I support the Conservatives. I am a Labour supporter at the moment.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Despite me not actually supporting the British National Party, anyone here who actually comes out and says they support it - I shall give them positive reputation. We live in a so called fair and equal democracy, and I too am sick to my back teeth of the three main partys slamming the BNP for having a 'whites only' policy when we have a government, non-biased organisation such as the police having a Black Police Officers Association. Why are the three main partys not slamming the BPOA?

Good gains for UKIP, it seems their share of the vote is quite higher and hopefully they will come behind the Conservatives nationally. :)

[Uwe]

Evict all immigrants? Abolish immigration? Make a whole indigenous Britain?

It's not the immigrants fault that they 'get jobs' and 'get houses first', it's the governments, and it's obvious a new government would change this. BNP would go in an entirely different direction and make the UK generally unstable and insufficient without immigrants' workforce.

Like I've said, the BNP DO NOT blame the immigrants, they blame the policitians that have allowed this to happen. and no, I haven't been brain washed, I made great research into all polictical parties before making my decision to vote the BNP for both local and EU elections.

[Fez]

Despite me not actually supporting the British National Party anyone here who actually comes out and says they support it, I shall give them positive reputation. We live in a democracy, and I too am sick to my back teeth of the three main partys slamming the BNP for having a 'whites only' policy when we have a government, non-biased organisation such as the police having a Black Police Officers Association. Why are the three main partys not slamming the BPOA?

Good gains for UKIP, it seems their share of the vote is quite higher and hopefully they will come behind the Conservatives nationally. :)

I hate to sound rude but the BNP having a 'whites only' policy is nothing like the BPOA. I'll admit that it's really just uneeded segregation but it's not exactly hurting anyone? They're still in the police? If you were black and wanted to join the BNP however, you'd be refused, even though they support black britains. It's a hypocritical party.

Happy for UKIP btw, it's about time they got a break.

[Uwe]

They don't deny any of the things I said they did in that article. They are pointing out that other communities have their own associations like the BNP have one. As far as the BNP are concerned people who aren't white aren't British.

Edit: In reply to your point: because I don't support the BNP doesn't automatically mean I support the Conservatives. I am a Labour supporter at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8lprxiOFc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwidgets.vodpod.com%2Fjavascripts %2Fvideo_popup%2F2619729%3Fad%3Duser&feature=player_embedded

Watch this video. They BNP don't say that people who aren't whites aren't British. :]

[Fez]

Like I've said, the BNP DO NOT blame the immigrants, they blame the policitians that have allowed this to happen. and no, I haven't been brain washed, I made great research into all polictical parties before making my decision to vote the BNP for both local and EU elections.

Then why do they wish to make Britain, an entirely indigenous country? Surely any hard-working immigrant who came to this country should be allowed to say.

Sorry if I appeared rude as well, me and the BNP have some history...

[Technologic]

Crap. The BNP got a seat.

[Fez]

Crap. The BNP got a seat.
In Leeds. My hometown. I'm actually ashamed.

And scared.

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 7
Labour - 4
UKIP - 4
Lib Dems - 3
BNP - 1
Other - 1

20 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[Uwe]

LOL, minus rep already :P The BNP DO NOT pay people to leave the country, please stop reading the sun newspaper.

It's okay, Apeel, you do not sound rude. I linked to a YouTube video earlier, give it a watch :]

[-:Undertaker:-]

I hate to sound rude but the BNP having a 'whites only' policy is nothing like the BPOA. I'll admit that it's really just uneeded segregation but it's not exactly hurting anyone? They're still in the police? If you were black and wanted to join the BNP however, you'd be refused, even though they support black britains. It's a hypocritical party.

Happy for UKIP btw, it's about time they got a break.

The Black Police Officers Association has the word 'black' in it because it is intended for black police officers. The BNP and BPOA both have to allow anyone inside their organisations as far as i'm aware as that is the law, however i'm afraid while this country is intitutionally racist then it cannot and has no right to preach to the BNP about racism.

The police as a government body and supposedly non-biased organisation should not have any organisations like that.

I believe both should be allowed as I am for total democracy, but if the government ever thinks of banning the BNP then it has a lot of closely related-government organisations it will have to ban aswell, otherwise it is totally hypocritical.

[Hecktix]

Wrong on both things you say, the BNP do not want to kick non-white people out of the country.

The BNP want British jobs for British people - BRITISH. British can be black, white, pink or blue. The BNP want to close the boarders to immigrants, the BNP don't blame nor hate the immigrants, they blame the greedy politicians that let the country get into this state. Black British people are more than welcome into the country as they give to the country etc etc. Here is a good link for you to read: http://bnp.org.uk/2007/12/is-the-bnp-racist/

edit: You may also point that Nick Griffen said that he doesn't believe a white should marry a black (I was having this arguement earlier and a friend pointed this out), however, Griffen doesn't plan on making any rules on this. You can't tell me that ALL Labour, Lib dems PM's aren't racist? or they are all for homosexual rights? Also, like the Conservsatives, the BNP WERE against homosexuals (key word: WERE). If you are going to hold that against the BNP, (their past) then you should also look closely at the past of the conservatives.

Lets see then....
when my internet works i'll take a quote from the BNP site that criticises this.

Considering they talk about a "British Gene" and people who have the "British Gene" are white.

[Fez]

LOL, minus rep already :P The BNP DO NOT pay people to leave the country, please stop reading the sun newspaper.

It's okay, Apeel, you do not sound rude. I linked to a YouTube video earlier, give it a watch :]
I think minus rep is pathetic, especially about political opinions. It's your opinion and you shouldn't be minus repped for making it.

I've seen the BNP political broadcast and their claims are just ridiculous. I might have a breakdown of it on my political blog later, but right now all I can ask is why are they blaming the main parties? Labour, Conservs, Lib Dems, UKIP etc. when in the end, some of those are aiming for the same change.

[PriceTags]

LOL, minus rep already :P The BNP DO NOT pay people to leave the country, please stop reading the sun newspaper.

It's okay, Apeel, you do not sound rude. I linked to a YouTube video earlier, give it a watch :]

Oh yes they do:

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.


Clicky! (http://bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration/)

The BNP aren't exactly going to say "people who aren't white aren't British" in a political broadcast.

[Technologic]

I dont think you understand what the BNP stand for, yes many people have qualms about immigration, including myself at times. However, the BNP are a far right, nationalist fascist party. It is comprised of entirely white members, these are the same people who support the National Front and Combat 18. These people are behind attacks of legal immigrants.

The fact is, they are Nazis in disguise.

[Uwe]

Oh yes they do:


Clicky! (http://bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration/)

The BNP aren't exactly going to say "people who aren't white aren't British" in a political broadcast.

the chance, not forced to, like claimed in the -rep I received. :P

[Fez]

I dont think you understand what the BNP stand for, yes many people have qualms about immigration, including myself at times. However, the BNP are a far right, nationalist fascist party. It is comprised of entirely white members, these are the same people who support the National Front and Combat 18. These people are behind attacks of legal immigrants.

The fact is, they are Nazis in disguise.
It also scares me that during the German depression in the 1930s that during a call out on the government in power, they turned to something they didn't understand. The Nazis.

I know the world's moved on from then, but you never know what will happen.

[PriceTags]

the chance, not forced to, like claimed in the -rep I received. :P

You said they wouldn't be paid to leave, which clearly they would be. You didn't mention the -rep once. You appear to misunderstand what the BNP stand for. They want to pay immigrants to leave, they want to kick asylum seekers out of our country, they want to brainwash and manipulate children through British history a la Nazi Germany among other things.

[champions]

I can't believe the BNP actually got a seat. I think people just vote without knowing what the party actually stands for. Shocking.

[Fez]

Nick Griffen, BNP leader, was on the BBC Two Elections Results programme, he said that the whites only membership is only because ''ethnic groups get placed above indigineous britains''... how does that justify putting your party as a whites only membership? These ethnic groups may care just as much as you, and most of the black/asian/mixed race peoples are completely and utterly born in Britain by a (usually) half-British family.

[PriceTags]

I can't believe the BNP actually got a seat. I think people just vote without knowing what the party actually stands for. Shocking.

Your point has been demonstrated by Uwe.

[Uwe]

You said they wouldn't be paid to leave, which clearly they would be. You didn't mention the -rep once. You appear to misunderstand what the BNP stand for. They want to pay immigrants to leave, they want to kick asylum seekers out of our country, they want to brainwash and manipulate children through British history a la Nazi Germany among other things.

Yes I did mention the -rep? and no, the BNP wants to offer the immigrants the chance to leave with money. The BNP, as stated by Nick Griffen several minutes ago, doesn't want to force any immigrants to leave, who are working and giving to the country. The BNP wishses to remove asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

I'm not going to say that I agree with EVERYTHING the BNP wants, and I'm not going to pretend that I know everything but not one person can tell me they voted for a party because they like ALL of what they want.

[Fez]

I'm not going to say that I agree with EVERYTHING the BNP wants,

Then why vote for them?

[PriceTags]

Yes I did mention the -rep? and no, the BNP wants to offer the immigrants the chance to leave with money. The BNP, as stated by Nick Griffen several minutes ago, doesn't want to force any immigrants to leave, who are working and giving to the country. The BNP wishses to remove asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.

I'm not going to say that I agree with EVERYTHING the BNP wants, and I'm not going to pretend that I know everything but not one person can tell me they voted for a party because they like ALL of what they want.

People generally vote for a party because they know what they want then agree with it.

[xxMATTGxx]

Nick Griffen, BNP leader, was on the BBC Two Elections Results programme, he said that the whites only membership is only because ''ethnic groups get placed above indigineous britains''... how does that justify putting your party as a whites only membership? These ethnic groups may care just as much as you, and most of the black/asian/mixed race peoples are completely and utterly born in Britain by a (usually) half-British family.

I really dislike Nick Griffin, if i could use strong language on here then I would to show how much I hate the guy. BNP is a part that scares me if they ever got into power and what damage they would cause to the United Kingdom. I don't mind if its Labour, Conv or UKIP for now, but BNP. No way.

[Uwe]

Then why vote for them?



As I agree with the majority? :P

British National Party Policies:

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH
EUROPE - back to British independence
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime
ECONOMY - British workers first
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity
HEALTH - first-class healthcare
TRANSPORT - time to invest
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers
DEFENCE - no more cuts
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britains interests first
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide

[PriceTags]

As I agree with the majority? :P

British National Party Policies:

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH
EUROPE - back to British independence
LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime
ECONOMY - British workers first
EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement
AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity
HEALTH - first-class healthcare
TRANSPORT - time to invest
ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future
FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people
PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers
DEFENCE - no more cuts
FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britains interests first
DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide

Some other parties could give you most of those things without the racism and a lot of them could give you some of those things.

[Misawa]

I really dislike Nick Griffin, if i could use strong language on here then I would to show how much I hate the guy. BNP is a part that scares me if they ever got into power and what damage they would cause to the United Kingdom. I don't mind if its Labour, Conv or UKIP for now, but BNP. No way.

Don't worry, they never will.

[Fez]

As I agree with the majority? :P


Okay let's break this down

IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH

Time to say keep it down, not switch off the valve completely. Just fix the leaks on the immigration pipes.

EUROPE - back to British independence

What is British independence? UKIP has that... stop stealing their polices kthx

LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime

... wat?

http://buttonmashing.com/wp-content/uploads/crackdown.jpg

we have the 3rd best police force in the world, my darling, it can't possibly get better.

ECONOMY - British workers first

All workers = people, all people are equal and must have equal oppurtunities.

EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement

Like we already have?

AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity

Then we can't feed everyone in the country, yay.

HEALTH - first-class healthcare

Already done

TRANSPORT - time to invest

Time to look outside at a bus stop...

ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future

Green party... stop stealing... AGAIN

FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people

And let everybody else die, cool.

PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers

I'll give you that one...

DEFENCE - no more cuts

Ah, so you want to boost every other financial situation... but that's generally unstable and can't be done, even with the strength of our economy

FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britains interests first

So no more joining in wars? All for it

DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide

Aye aye captain

[Hecktix]

Racism = discrimination of people of a particular race.

Does Nick Griffin & his band of facist idiots not discriminate any other race than White by not allowing them into the party? :rolleyes:

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 10
Labour - 6
UKIP - 5
Lib Dems - 4
Green - 1
BNP - 1
Plaid Cymru - 1

28 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[Browney]

The list of points posted above are your average politician waffle. Things everyone likes to hear.

LOWER TAXES
TOUGH ON CRIME
BETTER EDUCATION
BETTER HOSPITALS
MORE BRITISH JOBS

see, easy being politician.

[Hecktix]

Conservative: 27%
Labour: 18%
UKIP: 15.3%
Lib Dem: 13.7%
Green: 8.7%
BNP: 6.7%
PC (Welsh National): 2.2%

Not completely embarassing for Labour atm, at least it's not the 3rd or 4th some predicted... so far.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Nick Griffen, BNP leader, was on the BBC Two Elections Results programme, he said that the whites only membership is only because ''ethnic groups get placed above indigineous britains''... how does that justify putting your party as a whites only membership? These ethnic groups may care just as much as you, and most of the black/asian/mixed race peoples are completely and utterly born in Britain by a (usually) half-British family.

I have had ENOUGH of this political correctness on this forum and in the media and of all our partys. You all refuse point blank to answer my question below, i'm no supporter of the BNP but i'm afraid you all refuse to answer this question and it makes a mockery of any BNP racism argument.

HOW CAN PEOPLE NAME THE BNP RACIST FOR HAVING A WHITES-ONLY POLICY WHEN WE HAVE A BLACK POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION?

Come on everyone, i'm waiting for the answer.

Also an amazing breakthrough for the Conservatives in Wales, apparently they haven't done this good in Wales since 1918!

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 12
Labour - 7
UKIP - 6
Lib Dems - 5
Green - 1
BNP - 1
Plaid Cymru - 1

32 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[Hecktix]

Got scared the BNP would bag a seat in my region then.

European Results (in seats):
European People's Party:
Socialists: 185
Liberal: 83
No Group: 71
Green: 50
Left: 35
Independant/Democratic: 21

[Fez]

HOW CAN PEOPLE NAME THE BNP RACIST FOR HAVING A WHITES-ONLY POLICY WHEN WE HAVE A BLACK POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION?

Because a political party and a police association are completely different things. If you take them in a different sense however, then it's somewhat.. complicated.

They're are more whites than any other race, let's be statistical, and basically say there's around 3 billion white people in the world. 93% of Britain is of White/British origin, and just 3% of it is Black. The rest been multi-racial.

What the BNP are doing is basically bullying/racism. They refuse to let any blacks into their party simply for them being black. You may think this is entirely the same with the BPOA, except they won't let whites in, but when you consider a mass majority of the UK is white, well that's just discrimination.

Besides, we can call both of them racist can't we?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because a political party and a police association are completely different things. If you take them in a different sense however, then it's somewhat.. complicated.

They're are more whites than any other race, let's be statistical, and basically say there's around 3 billion white people in the world. 93% of Britain is of White/British origin, and just 3% of it is Black. The rest been multi-racial.

What the BNP are doing is basically bullying/racism. They refuse to let any blacks into their party simply for them being black. You may think this is entirely the same with the BPOA, except they won't let whites in, but when you consider a mass majority of the UK is white, well that's just discrimination.

Besides, we can call both of them racist can't we?


Basically what you have just told me is that multi-culturism does not exist and that it is ok for one race to have its own organisation but not alright for another race to have their own group.

That my friend, is the definition of racism.

[PriceTags]

I have had ENOUGH of this political correctness on this forum and in the media and of all our partys. You all refuse point blank to answer my question below, i'm no supporter of the BNP but i'm afraid you all refuse to answer this question and it makes a mockery of any BNP racism argument.

HOW CAN PEOPLE NAME THE BNP RACIST FOR HAVING A WHITES-ONLY POLICY WHEN WE HAVE A BLACK POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION?

Come on everyone, i'm waiting for the answer.

Also an amazing breakthrough for the Conservatives in Wales, apparently they haven't done this good in Wales since 1918!

If you're going to compare two organisations, at least compare two who both count for something similar. The BPOA aren't trying to run the country; they just bring together black police officers.

[Sammeth.]

Got scared the BNP would bag a seat in my region then.

We would have blamed it allll on you.

[Fez]

Basically what you have just told me is that multi-culturism does not exist and that it is ok for one race to have its own organisation but not alright for another race to have their own group.

That my friend, is the definition of racism.

It's so confusing to call the people calling racists out, racists and the racists, racists. Really it's kind of a circular logic that everyone has their own beliefs/cultures/skin colour class and discriminating against those beliefs/cultures/skin colour class is wrong. Yet they have their own beliefs about discriminating against these people and basically you're being the racist.

It's not okay for one race to have it's own organisation, but I don't actually see the harm the BPOA is doing, or any other racial minority group is doing?

[-:Undertaker:-]

If you're going to compare two organisations, at least compare two who both count for something similar. The BPOA aren't trying to run the country; they just bring together black police officers.

The BNP are an organisation for white people, the BPOA is are an organisation for black people, yet the BNP is labelled as racist and the BPOA isn't? - you are all just making excuses for it now.

Any segrigation based on race, is racism.

I don't see the harm the BNP are doing, if people are democratically voting for the BNP and aslong as the BNP are not involved in terrorist plots/plots to overthrow the government then the BNP isn't doing anything wrong either.

[PriceTags]

Basically what you have just told me is that multi-culturism does not exist and that it is ok for one race to have its own organisation but not alright for another race to have their own group.

That my friend, is the definition of racism.

Anyone who wants an organisation can have one. What people object to is the BNP's policies. The BPOA are having their own organisation and hurting nobody.

You're accusing us of making excuses. Making excuses as opposed to what exactly?

[Fez]

The BNP are an organisation for white people, the BPOA is are an organisation for black people, yet the BNP is labelled as racist and the BPOA isn't? - you are all just making excuses for it now.

Any segrigation based on race, is racism.

Who is labelling them may I ask? The main political british parties? But they have reason because the BNP wish to cause harm while the BPOA are just the BPOA.

[Hecktix]

Sorry but what was that about the BNP MEP Brons said..

He'd rather go to prison than sit in a national meeting with a black person?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Anyone who wants an organisation can have one. What people object to is the BNP's policies. The BPOA are having their own organisation and hurting nobody.

You're accusing us of making excuses. Making excuses as opposed to what exactly?

That is politics yes, however the only thing people have to say about the BNP is racism, if the BPOA are allowed their organisation for black people then the BNP can choose to have its own policy on a whites only rule for themselves, they are also not hurting anybody.

The excuses you are all making is that its alright to have an organisation for one race, yet if another race has an organisation for itself then according to you all it is racist.

The BPOA is for black people, the BNP is for white people - now either they are both racist or they are not, make your decision.

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 15
UKIP - 8
Labour - 7
Lib Dems - 6
Green - 1
BNP - 1
Plaid Cymru - 1

38 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Fantastic news for UKIP, BBC predict UKIP and Labour to come equal at the end. Hopefully UKIP gets a few over them. :)

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 19
UKIP - 10
Labour - 8
Lib Dems - 8
Green - 2
BNP - 1
Plaid Cymru - 1

48 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Amazing and idealogical speeches both by Nigel Farage (UKIP Leader) and Daniel Hannan (Shadow Europe Minister) and something which politics needs, idealogy. I think Hannan could very well be the next Conservative leader, he has the charisma and a view on the EU which would rest very well with all Conservative supporters.

[Sammeth.]

Conservatives - 24
UKIP - 13
Labour - 11
Lib Dems - 10
Green - 2
BNP - 2
Plaid Cymru - 1

63 out of 72 seats allocated so far.

[ifuseekamy]

HOW CAN PEOPLE NAME THE BNP RACIST FOR HAVING A WHITES-ONLY POLICY WHEN WE HAVE A BLACK POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION?
Because it's just an incentive for minorities to join? And probably because they aren't threatening to kick out non-blacks, denying the holocaust, calling interracial marriage unnatural, mixed race children 'cursed', saying rape against women is okay, homosexuality a disease, the list goes on.

[alexxxxx]

i can't believe BNP got seats... and I can't believe that you say the BNP aren't racist. I think one of their councillers saying 'if i had a gun, i'd go round and shoot some *Removed*' is a bit racist.

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[Catzsy]

This country cannot call the BNP racist when we have organisations allowed such as the Muslim Council of Great Britain and the Black Police Officers Association. Either we have no divides over race or we allow divides over race, it must be equal and fair, not one sided. The BNP have just won a seat and i'd say good luck on them, they were fairly elected.

National share of the vote so far puts Labour under the Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Conservatives and other. :)

UKIP did very well. The leader seems to have a vision so good luck to them whether I support them or not. I do not think that you can equate an association with a political party though. You seem to have named all the ethnic minority associations which is telling in itself but the same thing could be said about the W.I., the girl guides, professional associations where you need certain qualifications to be considered. It's a bit of a spurious argument really. Yes the BNP were elected fairly but I still say they have a very dark side under the suited and booted public persona.

[alexxxxx]

i don't understand why people are saying it costs so much money the EU, we spent $60bn+ on our military last year!

[champions]

i can't believe BNP got seats... and I can't believe that you say the BNP aren't racist. I think one of their councillers saying 'if i had a gun, i'd go round and shoot some *Removed*' is a bit racist.
You're not allowed to call the ****s on here. I did the same and got warned for it - I don't see the problem with it though

BNP got two seats now? Where did they get the other seat :eusa_wall

[Hecktix]

Seats in European Parliament Allocated to the British Parties:

Conservative: 25
UKIP: 13
Labour: 13
Lib Dem: 11
Green: 2
BNP: 2
SNP: 2
PC: 1

Share of the vote within Britain

Conservative: 27.7%
UKIP: 16.5%
Labour: 15.7%
Lib Dem: 13.7%
Green: 8.6%
BNP: 6.2%
SNP: 2.1%
PC: 0.8%

European Parliament Groups (Seats):

European People's Party: 264
Socialists: 183
Liberal: 84
No Group: 72
Green: 50
Left: 34
Union for Europe of the Nations: 28
Independance/Democratic: 21


So all in all, a bad day for left wing politics :(:@

[-:Undertaker:-]

Because it's just an incentive for minorities to join? And probably because they aren't threatening to kick out non-blacks, denying the holocaust, calling interracial marriage unnatural, mixed race children 'cursed', saying rape against women is okay, homosexuality a disease, the list goes on.

Then why are people not mentioning these things and backing them up with some real evidence from the BNP website, why is it the only thing people seem to be able to pick on is their whites-only policy yet people aren't ranting and raving over the Black Police Officers Association are they?

An incentive for minorities? - I thought this country is supposed to be a multi-cultural country and that is why our politicians scream we should not vote BNP, yet at the same time this government has allowed a basically apartheid system to be implemented.

It is not an excuse and until someone can come up with a real reason why the BNP are racist, but at the same time admitting a BPOA is racist then you/them are lacking and real argument.


i can't believe BNP got seats... and I can't believe that you say the BNP aren't racist. I think one of their councillers saying 'if i had a gun, i'd go round and shoot some *Removed*' is a bit racist.

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Why will you not answer me on why it isn't racist to have a group for one race yet it is racist to have a group for another race.


UKIP did very well. The leader seems to have a vision so good luck to them whether I support them or not. I do not think that you can equate an association with a political party though. You seem to have named all the ethnic minority associations which is telling in itself but the same thing could be said about the W.I., the girl guides, professional associations where you need certain qualifications to be considered. It's a bit of a spurious argument really. Yes the BNP were elected fairly but I still say they have a very dark side under the suited and booted public persona.

Nigel Farage is a very good leader indeed. If we are allowed these other groups for minorities, then how is it racist to let the BNP have their group for white people - it isn't. It can't be both ways, yes I know a lot of them are thugs and its why I don't support them, along with some of their other policies - but this is the reason why they get votes, we are told to accept multi-culturalism and that everyone is equal, yet there is outcry from politicians against the BNP for having a whites-only policy while the government fully supports the police having a Black Police Officers Association.

If this hypocrisy was finished overnight there wouldn't be a BNP left tommorow because that is where their support comes from, until then, I wish the BNP, a democratically elected party, all the luck in the world against this pathetic political correctness that has engulfed our country.


i don't understand why people are saying it costs so much money the EU, we spent $60bn+ on our military last year!

I notice you say our military, our people pay tax to be spent on our country, not an organisation that refuses to give its people a choice, and when it does have to give them a choice it forces the question on them again because they voted for the 'wrong answer' - people want our money for our military, not to go to the EU which hasn't had its finances checked properly for years now and billions upon billions have just disappeared from its books.

[Catzsy]

Then why are people not mentioning these things and backing them up with some real evidence from the BNP website, why is it the only thing people seem to be able to pick on is their whites-only policy yet people aren't ranting and raving over the Black Police Officers Association are they?

An incentive for minorities? - I thought this country is supposed to be a multi-cultural country and that is why our politicians scream we should not vote BNP, yet at the same time this government has allowed a basically apartheid system to be implemented.

It is not an excuse and until someone can come up with a real reason why the BNP are racist, but at the same time admitting a BPOA is racist then you/them are lacking and real argument.


Why will you not answer me on why it isn't racist to have a group for one race yet it is racist to have a group for another race.



Nigel Farage is a very good leader indeed. If we are allowed these other groups for minorities, then how is it racist to let the BNP have their group for white people - it isn't. It can't be both ways, yes I know a lot of them are thugs and its why I don't support them, along with some of their other policies - but this is the reason why they get votes, we are told to accept multi-culturalism and that everyone is equal, yet there is outcry from politicians against the BNP for having a whites-only policy while the government fully supports the police having a Black Police Officers Association.

If this hypocrisy was finished overnight there wouldn't be a BNP left tommorow because that is where their support comes from, until then, I wish the BNP, a democratically elected party, all the luck in the world against this pathetic political correctness that has engulfed our country.



I notice you say our military, our people pay tax to be spent on our country, not an organisation that refuses to give its people a choice, and when it does have to give them a choice it forces the question on them again because they voted for the 'wrong answer' - people want our money for our military, not to go to the EU which hasn't had its finances checked properly for years now and billions upon billions have just disappeared from its books.

The point I was making, Dan, whether I agree with a Black Police Association or not is that the crucial difference is they would never really be in any position of power to change a policy in the country or parts of a country . I do not agree that they should be banned though. Having said that I think it is the Government's right to say dont vote BNP. All the parties say it about each other - they just happen to be like minded when it comes to that party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The point I was making, Dan, whether I agree with a Black Police Association or not is that the crucial difference is they would never really be in any position of power to change a policy in the country or parts of a country . I do not agree that they should be banned though. Having said that I think it is the Government's right to say dont vote BNP. All the parties say it about each other - they just happen to be like minded when it comes to that party.

The police as a supposedly non-biased body should not be able to ban police from being in the BNP when the police themselves have a Black Police Officers Association. It can't be both ways, either you allow race groups or you don't.

[Hushie]

Very dissapointed that the north west will now be seen as being racist and homophobic

[alexxxxx]

The police as a supposedly non-biased body should not be able to ban police from being in the BNP when the police themselves have a Black Police Officers Association. It can't be both ways, either you allow race groups or you don't.

The police have every right to NOT EMPLOY people of certain groups from joining if it is a conflict of interests. Police Officers have power to an extent and meet people from every corner of society, if the Police believe that, as a member of the BNP, they cannot treat everyone equally, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THE JOB. Police need to have an unbiased approach for their work. It is their choice after all who to employ.

The BPO is racist, in the way that it ONLY tries to protect people of minorities in the police force, but they are fighting against racism towards their own members and trying to even everything up, therefore it's acceptable. Just as the many single-ethnic associations there are in the UK also, they are acceptable. I assume in Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Dubai, there are also similiar groups for white people.

[Jordy]

i don't understand why people are saying it costs so much money the EU, we spent $60bn+ on our military last year!We play a leading part in NATO and we're on the UNSC. We're also fighting 2 wars atm (Albeit we just pulled out of Iraq yesterday) and most of our equipment is out-dated Cold War stuff. I personally see it as justified and if anything not enough, we still need more armoured vehicles and more body armour for our troops in Afghanistan.

[Hushie]

LOlololol calling the bpoa racist is the same as branding someone anti-homophobic as heterophobic

[Catzsy]

The police as a supposedly non-biased body should not be able to ban police from being in the BNP when the police themselves have a Black Police Officers Association. It can't be both ways, either you allow race groups or you don't.

Most government departments especially in the law & order areas don't allow their middle to ranking employees to be a member of any political party because of bias. I do see what you mean though. Being in the BNP is not against the law whether they are distasteful or not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The police have every right to NOT EMPLOY people of certain groups from joining if it is a conflict of interests. Police Officers have power to an extent and meet people from every corner of society, if the Police believe that, as a member of the BNP, they cannot treat everyone equally, THEY WOULD NOT BE SUITABLE FOR THE JOB. Police need to have an unbiased approach for their work. It is their choice after all who to employ.

The BPO is racist, in the way that it ONLY tries to protect people of minorities in the police force, but they are fighting against racism towards their own members and trying to even everything up, therefore it's acceptable. Just as the many single-ethnic associations there are in the UK also, they are acceptable. I assume in Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Dubai, there are also similiar groups for white people.

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.


We play a leading part in NATO and we're on the UNSC. We're also fighting 2 wars atm (Albeit we just pulled out of Iraq yesterday) and most of our equipment is out-dated Cold War stuff. I personally see it as justified and if anything not enough, we still need more armoured vehicles and more body armour for our troops in Afghanistan.

Eurocrats would think that not a worthy cause of our money and would much rather have that money going into a European military or to carry on their dream of building a unelected-EU superstate that nobody wants.

These elections as Labour keeps saying, aren't a backlash against Labour itself, it is now showing that the majority of this country do not want the European Union, hence why anti-european partys have gained so massively, the vast majority of the votes which went to the Conservatives, UKIP and the BNP all show support not for pro-EU partys, but for partys which are opposed to the European Union.

One day the European Union and its supporters will get the message, especially when proportional representation is eventually introduced, and that message is loud and clear; NO.

[ifuseekamy]

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.



Eurocrats would think that not a worthy cause of our money and would much rather have that money going into a European military or to carry on their dream of building a unelected-EU superstate that nobody wants.

These elections as Labour keeps saying, aren't a backlash against Labour itself, it is now showing that the majority of this country do not want the European Union, hence why anti-european partys have gained so massively, the vast majority of the votes which went to the Conservatives, UKIP and the BNP all show support not for pro-EU partys, but for partys which are opposed to the European Union.

One day the European Union and its supporters will get the message, especially when proportional representation is eventually introduced, and that message is loud and clear; NO.
It isn't just the left that hates the BNP, the right does too. Although the BNP is only right wing in its "nationalist" approach, socially and economically it is more left wing and appeals to the working class. The BPOA doesn't incite hatred. It's just a stupid organisation founded on political correctness, not malicious neo-nazi ideologies. The BNP is more anti-british than british anyway, if they're going to make britain oh-so-british again what will they do? Destroy all foreign made cars and get rid of curry/kebab/chinese takeaways? It's a failure of a party aimed at idiots. And obviously the EU won't get the message hence they keep holding referendums until people are oblivious and say yes. Luckily we'll probably be dead before having to experience anything similar to '1984'.

[alexxxxx]

The BNP are a legal and democratically elected party and no one has the right to punish people for supporting/voting for the BNP. I'd like to turn it around, are police officers who are in socialist/communist partys also being punished? - I doubt it very much. It shows how scared the left are of the right and always have been, them protestors outside Manchester Town Hall last night were most likely Labour supporters and infact the BNP themselves have stated how Labour had behaved last night, the protest was turning violent at one point - so what right do the main partys and them protestors have, to call the BNP thugs? - when they themselves were acting like they were in Zimbabwe.

I'm sorry but they are both as bad as eachother, if you segregate people based on race then that is apartheid, basically racism. In so called to 'combat-racism' they have created a racist group itself, if politicians and the BPOA have a problem with the BNP having a whites only policy, then how can they call the BNP racist when they themselves are doing exactly what the BNP are doing.



I smell a closet BNP supporter. No, being a communist or socialist supporter doesn't stop a policeman from doing his job. He or She still treats everyone equally, but his political views are not likely to intefere with their job. It could be argued that the BNP's views (I once saw a particularly derogratry cartoon on their website with some horribly negatively-stereotyped racist figures) on immigrants and asylum seekers (and anyone not traditionally british) could intefere. Being a socialist or a communist doesn't. The people outside in manchester were holding UaF signs (United against Fascism) and could have been supporters of the greens, ukip, conservative, libertas, jury team, labour or any political party who HATE RACISM. Hating racists isn't exclusively a labour trait. Violence is always wrong, but sometimes you have to take better of the two evils. If the BNP were elected to government here, I would have no problems in joining a street mob. The BNP are scum and will always be scum. The dangerously left-wing nutter paper, the guardian, has written a nice piece about the newly elected BNP member Andrew Brons. He was in mobs in THIS country, militant right-winger. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/08/european-elections-bnp They can't complain about people marching against them as they've done it themselves. They are thugs. Just with a smile.

No, it ISN'T as bad as the BNP. The BPOA allow ANYONE within policing to join them, the BNP only allow white people. It's the same as women's rights groups. It's sad we need them, but it's a sign of change. There will be a day when the BPOA and other similiar organisations will no longer need to exist.

Just add a BNP supporter logo to your name now. I won't think any less of you.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I smell a closet BNP supporter. No, being a communist or socialist supporter doesn't stop a policeman from doing his job. He or She still treats everyone equally, but his political views are not likely to intefere with their job. It could be argued that the BNP's views (I once saw a particularly derogratry cartoon on their website with some horribly negatively-stereotyped racist figures) on immigrants and asylum seekers (and anyone not traditionally british) could intefere. Being a socialist or a communist doesn't. The people outside in manchester were holding UaF signs (United against Fascism) and could have been supporters of the greens, ukip, conservative, libertas, jury team, labour or any political party who HATE RACISM. Hating racists isn't exclusively a labour trait. Violence is always wrong, but sometimes you have to take better of the two evils. If the BNP were elected to government here, I would have no problems in joining a street mob. The BNP are scum and will always be scum. The dangerously left-wing nutter paper, the guardian, has written a nice piece about the newly elected BNP member Andrew Brons. He was in mobs in THIS country, militant right-winger. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jun/08/european-elections-bnp They can't complain about people marching against them as they've done it themselves. They are thugs. Just with a smile.

No, it ISN'T as bad as the BNP. The BPOA allow ANYONE within policing to join them, the BNP only allow white people. It's the same as women's rights groups. It's sad we need them, but it's a sign of change. There will be a day when the BPOA and other similiar organisations will no longer need to exist.

Just add a BNP supporter logo to your name now. I won't think any less of you.

I have said before I agree with some elements of their policies (I DO think we should have controlled immigration, I DO think we should leave the EU) although I do think they go too far and are racist in some areas. I think if the BNP were incharge the economy would go bust as they support a Labour doctrine of nationalising industry. I may agree with certain things out of the BNP's doctrine, but so do you, I presume; support nationalising everything as it was before Margaret Thatcher? - I am not accusing you of being supportive of the BNP now am I?

Socialism and communism is just as far and radical as the BNP are. Socialists would gladly like a revolution in this country and that would threaten our democracy and our monarchy. I can tell you now that them people were most likely from the left side of politics. In the 1970s in Liverpool, if you had put a Conservative poster up in your window when everyone else had Labour up then your window was bricked in. Let us compare this to a possible Conservative area, if I was in a Conservative area and I put a Labour poster in my window I can gurantee the chances of my window being bricks are almost zero. It is the same with prisoners, what party do you think prisoners are most likely to support? - Labour, without a doubt.

You would join a street mob despite the BNP being a democratically elected government? - if the BNP acted like that right now because Labour are in power i'm pretty sure you would be one of those shouting racist facists who should be locked up. Socialists never like it when their position of power is ebbing away or when they can't get what they want, hence why the Russian Revolution was only ever supported by a small group of people who were socialists.

The BNP are legal and have been democratically elected whether you like it or not, and when people on the media and on here are going to be politically correct and shout racist to the BNP because of them having a whites-only policy, I will confront that as I have done and people have still not answered this very simple question; how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?

Legally anyone can join the BNP due to equality laws, if it is just an association then why has it got the word black in it? - These organisations do not need to exist, there is no need for them - if these groups closed tonight in the morning I can tell you now, that over half the BNPs' support will of dropped away.

While we have continuous political correctness from this government and from you it seems and even from the press/politicians who have even tried to label even UKIP racist in the past, then i'm all for the BNP to go on and win seats because maybe one day this government will sit up and listen, and its the same with Cameron who now makes no mention of core Conservative beliefs of the EU, immigration and so forth.

As ifuseekamy says, the BNP is rather socialist in its message and that is another reason why I do not support them, along with the fact that I know their message is just as bad as the message this government is sending out, creating an apartheid system. Do not say I support the BNP when I clearly don't, as that is one thing I cannot stand, people putting words in my mouth.

[alexxxxx]

I have said before I agree with some elements of their policies (I DO think we should have controlled immigration, I DO think we should leave the EU) although I do think they go too far and are racist in some areas. I think if the BNP were incharge the economy would go bust as they support a Labour doctrine of nationalising industry. I may agree with certain things out of the BNP's doctrine, but so do you, I presume; support nationalising everything as it was before Margaret Thatcher? - I am not accusing you of being supportive of the BNP now am I?

That's ridiculous, you won't condone they're racist and they're unfit for government and you wish they get seats. That's called supporting. I hate the BNP, I actively hate them and I condone them. Of course I don't support the BNP.


Socialism and communism is just as far and radical as the BNP are. Socialists would gladly like a revolution in this country and that would threaten our democracy and our monarchy. I can tell you now that them people were most likely from the left side of politics. In the 1970s in Liverpool, if you had put a Conservative poster up in your window when everyone else had Labour up then your window was bricked in. Let us compare this to a possible Conservative area, if I was in a Conservative area and I put a Labour poster in my window I can gurantee the chances of my window being bricks are almost zero. It is the same with prisoners, what party do you think prisoners are most likely to support? - Labour, without a doubt.

Police aren't an army to take on anyone, they arrest people for selling drugs, fights and racial abuse. A policeman who thinks that everything should be nationalised and believe that socialism would be the best course of action in the UK won't be affected if he sees a racially-aggregated attack, whilst a BNP would be more likely to. If the Police feel a police officer's membership of the SWP clouds their judgement, I'd expect they'd ask them to leave also.

BNP is a symbol of racism in general, conservatives hate racism, labour hate racism, ukip hate racism (probably) and the lib dems hate racism. If I put a conservative poster in my window, noone would care, if I put a UKIP poster, noone would care, if i put a lib dem poster, noone would care - it's the same for ALMOST everywhere. Why would prisoners definately vote labour? No substance whatsoever.



You would join a street mob despite the BNP being a democratically elected government? - if the BNP acted like that right now because Labour are in power i'm pretty sure you would be one of those shouting racist facists who should be locked up. Socialists never like it when their position of power is ebbing away or when they can't get what they want, hence why the Russian Revolution was only ever supported by a small group of people who were socialists.

The BNP have ALREADY done this. Their members were parts of the National Front who organised rallies and murdered anti-fascists. BNP members WERE (and still are) militant right-wingers. It's fact.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jul/31/thefarright.ukcrime

I hate racism, I hate how someone can be told 'you can't do this, you can't be this' because of something they cannot control. You call yourself a freemarketer, but you aren't, you think you are, but you aren't. A freemarketer LOVES open borders, LOVES immigrants, LOVES international cooperation because they are a basic barrier in the economic model.




The BNP are legal and have been democratically elected whether you like it or not, and when people on the media and on here are going to be politically correct and shout racist to the BNP because of them having a whites-only policy, I will confront that as I have done and people have still not answered this very simple question; how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?

Because the BNP are whites only, whilst the BPOA's goal is to eliminate racism in the police force. The BPOA allows anyone of any race to join. BNP however, DON'T. I've replied to your question, I responded with 'The BPOA is a racist organisation' - as it predominately helps to combat racism with non-whites.' The BPOA also DO care about racism against white people also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/aug/22/race.ukcrime

Does that not quite fit in with your argument?


Legally anyone can join the BNP due to equality laws, if it is just an association then why has it got the word black in it? - These organisations do not need to exist, there is no need for them - if these groups closed tonight in the morning I can tell you now, that over half the BNPs' support will of dropped away.

It's got the word 'black' in it because that's what the cause is generally for. It's for people who are not white mostly. But everyone is allowed to join and support the cause for removing racial barriers. The BNP polled LESS votes this time than last time, it's only because of a drop in turnout.



While we have continuous political correctness from this government and from you it seems and even from the press/politicians who have even tried to label even UKIP racist in the past, then i'm all for the BNP to go on and win seats because maybe one day this government will sit up and listen, and its the same with Cameron who now makes no mention of core Conservative beliefs of the EU, immigration and so forth.

So you are a supporter of the BNP. You want them to win seats... UKIP aren't racist they're just rubbish. The people of britain will see. I expect UKIP and BNP will be hunted down over the next 5 years by the media to see what they get up to in the EU Parliament. Why would the conservatives be not for EU and immigration? They passed the Masstrict (cba to spell) treaty giving the EU the power it has today.



As ifuseekamy says, the BNP is rather socialist in its message and that is another reason why I do not support them, along with the fact that I know their message is just as bad as the message this government is sending out, creating an apartheid system. Do not say I support the BNP when I clearly don't, as that is one thing I cannot stand, people putting words in my mouth.
You DO support them though. You just said.

[Ostinato]

[COLOR=navy][B]how can it be racist for the BNP to have a whites-only policy when we have a Black Police Officers Association?


Because if you actually have any background knowledge on the Police and the entry system you would be aware of the high level of racism that occured in relation to the acceptance of Black candidates and the shockingly low proportion of them in comparison to whites who where being accepted despite their level of qualification, physical and mental abilities.

The BNP's "white only" policy is something very different indeed though. Your colour does not affect your ability in any respect and ultimately the creation of the Black Police Officers Association is to address the issue of racism faced against Blacks - as has been proven.

The creation of the BNP does not provide the same facility however. Whites can join any political party and so can Blacks. Therefore there is ultimately no racism in relation to this aspect of politics or entry. I therefore find it ludicrous that people such as yourself and BNP continually try and throw out this argument that you are somewhat on the same level or playing field as the BPOA when you quite clearly are not.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am a for free market, I am for immigration - I am not however, for uncontrolled immigration in which dangerous criminals and people who we do not need are coming in. People of this country were never asked if they even wanted immigration or multi-culturalism, personally I do as it is a benefit to the economy if managed - that is the crucial difference.

If the BPOA are for people of all colours then why do they have Black in their title? - sorry this 'battling racism' argument does not hold up, we're all supposedly against racism so why do we need an organisation for just black people? - we don't and until organisations like that are finished then the BNP will have support.

The BNP have been violent in the past, but so have the opposing side to the BNP. How can anti-facist protestors preach about peace, democracy and equality when they themselves were turning violet last night? - hypocrisy, and that is just how the BNP gathers its support.

I do not support the BNP, me wanting BNP to gain seats isn't me supporting them at all, thats like saying if I wish for the Liberal Democrats to take a Labour seat at the next General Election then I support the Liberal Democrats - again, putting words in my mouth. I want them to make a impact such as in the European Elections so that of course they will not get into power anytime soon, but will hopefully begin to raise the issue of political correctness in this country, which the three main partys are unwilling to discuss.

The BNP stand against a lot of things I support and they are racist thugs yes, no denying that - my point is, until organisations which create an equal apartheid such as the BPOA are abolished, then the BNP will have a case and will continue to be democratically elected.

Why would most prisoners vote Labour? - because the EU, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are the ones who have been pushing to give them the vote. Lets face it truthfully, murderers and so forth have never had it so good before, thanks to Labour. Ian Huntley has his gaming console to play on at our expense despite him murdering two little girls, and the other prisoners must love the fact that under this government prison sentences have become a utter joke.

UKIP are gaining ground and you eurocrats don't like it, if your so against the BNP for being racist and facist, then why aren't you against the dictators in the EU who aren't even elected. I would like to ask, do you think we should be given a referendum on the EU? - of course you will probably say no, because you know it will lose.

UKIP make a very good argument and its a very simple argument, why should we pay to fund an organisation which is not even democratically elected that can overrule our own parliament?

Why is it so hard to understand that people do not want the European Union, tell me why it is so hard to understand this?

[Ostinato]

I am a for free market, I am for immigration - I am not however, for uncontrolled immigration in which dangerous criminals and people who we do not need are coming in. People of this country were never asked if they even wanted immigration or multi-culturalism, personally I do as it is a benefit to the economy if managed - that is the crucial difference.

If the BPOA are for people of all colours then why do they have Black in their title? - sorry this 'battling racism' argument does not hold up, we're all supposedly against racism so why do we need an organisation for just black people? - we don't and until organisations like that are finished then the BNP will have support.

The BNP stand against a lot of things I support and they are racist thugs yes, no denying that - my point is, until organisations which create an equal apartheid such as the BPOA are abolished, then the BNP will have a case and will continue to be democratically elected.


UKIP make a very good argument and its a very simple argument, why should we pay to fund an organisation which is not even democratically elected that can overrule our own parliament?

Why is it so hard to understand that people do not want the European Union, tell me why it is so hard to understand this?

Seriously, do you understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means?
You are sitting spouting all your crap about how why should we have an organisation which isn't democratically elected and that you don't see how it's so hard to understand people do not want something that isn't elected in a democratic way....
Fair enough - but Gordon Brown anyone? ;l

You say all that crap yet you support Gordon Brown (as I have witnessed in your other posts). Gordon Brown was never once democratically elected. The party was and Tony Blair was a leader - but not once did I vote for Gordon Brown to lead this country. Likewise it is pretty evident that the country no longer want him in charge and want to call a General Election. So if you seriously want to run on the grounds of all your abolishing what wasn't "democratically elected" and stuff that "people don't want" - then I think you should very closely take a look at Gordon Brown who you support and condone to lead this country.

I also find it particularly humorous you say "why do we need an organisation only for black people" yet you then go on to condone one soley for whites?!
Surely, anyone who can sit and dispute over such a matter and totally condemn an organisation set up for one individual race alone should surely not then condone another?!

And, although you have ignored my previous post, I would like to reiterate that I seriously think you should maybe do some research on why the BPOA was set up and you will see pretty evidently that it was for some very relative reasons - unlike the very deluded BNP.

I think the common theme I am noticing out of the good majority of your posts is your total hypocrisy and double standards that constantly creep in.

You are all for damning something not voted democratically and that the people do not want - yet you support Gordon Brown.
You are also against an organisation based for one race - yet you clearly have support for BNP.

You make me lol tbh.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Seriously, do you understand what the word 'hypocrisy' means?
You are sitting spouting all your crap about how why should we have an organisation which isn't democratically elected and that you don't see how it's so hard to understand people do not want something that isn't elected in a democratic way....
Fair enough - but Gordon Brown anyone? ;l

You say all that crap yet you support Gordon Brown (as I have witnessed in your other posts). Gordon Brown was never once democratically elected. The party was and Tony Blair was a leader - but not once did I vote for Gordon Brown to lead this country. Likewise it is pretty evident that the country no longer want him in charge and want to call a General Election. So if you seriously want to run on the grounds of all your abolishing what wasn't "democratically elected" and stuff that "people don't want" - then I think you should very closely take a look at Gordon Brown who you support and condone to lead this country.

I also find it particularly humorous you say "why do we need an organisation only for black people" yet you then go on to condone one soley for whites?!
Surely, anyone who can sit and dispute over such a matter and totally condemn an organisation set up for one individual race alone should surely not then condone another?!

And, although you have ignored my previous post, I would like to reiterate that I seriously think you should maybe do some research on why the BPOA was set up and you will see pretty evidently that it was for some very relative reasons - unlike the very deluded BNP.

I think the common theme I am noticing out of the good majority of your posts is your total hypocrisy and double standards that constantly creep in.

You are all for damning something not voted democratically and that the people do not want - yet you support Gordon Brown.
You are also against an organisation based for one race - yet you clearly have support for BNP.

You make me lol tbh.

What?

I support Gordon Brown?

LOL!

You have just made the biggest fool of yourself, if you had indeed read my posts and not just looked at the poll where I voted for him to stay in office, you would realise I hate the man and only wish for him to stay so Labour do terrible in the General Election. I hate everything Labour stand for, the EU and Gordon Brown both need to go and never come back.

On the BNP I do not support them as I have stated before, I am just putting the argument forward that until its fair on both sides, then the BNP will indeed have support.

[Ostinato]

I think if he stays, things can only get better in the long-term

Well if you trully do not support him i do apologise but it was the message I seemed to get.

I think your indictment of me "making the biggest fool of myself ever" is a tad dramatic to be quite honest. I think you will find if you actually look back over your array of posts and see your ever changing attitude and stance towards issues and clear presence of self double standards - I am most certainly not the fool on this occasion. :rolleyes:

In addition, I am sorry but I disagree with the fact that you claim you do not support BNP. Whether or not you would go out and vote for them at the next general election does not define whether or not you support them.

The fact you are actually taking so much time and effort to argue with other members in relation to BNP and their poltical policies - you are in turn giving them support. Therefore you support them. You may not support them directly or support all their policies, but you definitely are showing everyone you support them to some extent.

For you to claim you do not support them, is like me posting numerous messages saying how much Gordon Brown should remain in power because his policies are correct or that things could only get better ;) - then turning round and saying I do not support him would simply be completely ludicrous, as you are in affect giving them at least some level of political party support.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well if you trully do not support him i do apologise but it was the message I seemed to get.

I think your indictment of me "making the biggest fool of myself ever" is a tad dramatic to be quite honest. I think you will find if you actually look back over your array of posts and see your ever changing attitude and stance towards issues and clear presence of self double standards - I am most certainly not the fool on this occasion. :rolleyes:

In addition, I am sorry but I disagree with the fact that you claim you do not support BNP. Whether or not you would go out and vote for them at the next general election does not define whether or not you support them.

The fact you are actually taking so much time and effort to argue with other members in relation to BNP and their poltical policies - you are in turn giving them support. Therefore you support them. You may not support them directly or support all their policies, but you definitely are showing everyone you support them to some extent.

For you to claim you do not support them, is like me posting numerous messages saying how much Tony Blair should remain in power because his policies are correct or that things could only get better ;) - then turning round and saying I do not support him would simply be completely ludicrous, as you are in affect giving them at least some level of political party support.

You claimed you looked at my posts and it was "clear" that I support Gordon Brown, yet I have never once in my whole history on Habbox Forum supported the man and his government. What is clear is that all you did was look at my poll and predicted my opinion from there, which goes to show you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

I don't know how to make this more clear;

I do not support the BNP, they are racist, thugs who are indeed facists. I agree with the principles of some of their policies which are the same principles as the policies of the Conservative Party and UKIP.

I am defending common sense, I am sick of political correctness in this country and I think behind the EU it is the biggest problem our country faces. I would either ban all race groups, BNP and BPOA included, or allow them both, allowing would be my preferred option as I am for democracy.

Why did I jump in on the BNP argument? - because people who are supporting them earlier on in the thread were being called racists/facists when the majority of peope who vote BNP are neither, they are just fged up with political correctness.

Why do I support them having seats in the EU parliament? - that is democracy and they were dualy elected, they have pledged to find out more about the waste of money the EU is and I say good luck. It will also mean, that now if they grow, the main partys will have to address, once and for all, political correctness that has engulfed this country.

[Ostinato]

If you agree with their policies then you support them. There is no evading it. Just like if I agree that it is right for Osama Bin Laden to bomb the world - i support him.

You simply cannot compare the creation of the BPOA and BNP though. Like I say they were created for completely different purposes and thats what annoys me most. The fact that deluded BNP supports seem to think they are somewhat on the same level and the BPOA is a 'racist' organisation when in fact it was created to reduce racism within the police force!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I agree with the principles of some of their policies, I agree with controlled immigration, but I don't agree with sending black people, asian people and so on home and I don't agree with a permanent ban on immigration. If its the case that if you agree with the principles of one policy of a party then we are all guilty of supporting the BNP because most people will find something in the BNP manifesto or any partys manifesto that they agree with. If I was for the BNP and I supported some of their socialist policies then I would be very opposed to UKIP and the Conservatives who stand economically and in parts socially, against everything the BNP stands for.

BNP are for big government, nationalisation and a closed United Kingdom, I am the opposite. I have said before and i'll say it again, freedom with immigration but by sensible means.

I couldn't endorse UKIP more than I have already, to me they are everything I stand for and I actually can't think of something I disagree with them over, I am truly for private industry and free markets with people given the freedom to set up business without interference from the state, the BNP are for nationalisation which is the opposite of privatisation.

You can though, both are intended for seperate races and we will never have racial harmony until both are gone.

[jam666]

If you agree with their policies then you support them. There is no evading it. Just like if I agree that it is right for Osama Bin Laden to bomb the world - i support him.

You simply cannot compare the creation of the BPOA and BNP though. Like I say they were created for completely different purposes and thats what annoys me most. The fact that deluded BNP supports seem to think they are somewhat on the same level and the BPOA is a 'racist' organisation when in fact it was created to reduce racism within the police force!

This is a very stupid approach to the issue. So your saying if i agreed with the fact that the BNP want to withdraw from the EU i support them?

Hell No! I am completely against the BNP i despise them they are a horrible party with criminal leaders, However the Conservatives and UKIP for that matter also do not want to be part of the EU so just because the BNP also supports this view doesnt mean i support them.

[Ostinato]

This is a very stupid approach to the issue. So your saying if i agreed with the fact that the BNP want to withdraw from the EU i support them?

Hell No! I am completely against the BNP i despise them they are a horrible party with criminal leaders, However the Conservatives and UKIP for that matter also do not want to be part of the EU so just because the BNP also supports this view doesnt mean i support them.

Well yes to an extent. Just because you are not rallying round and voting for them doesn't mean you do not support them.

I think the thing here is that undertaker in particular seems to think I am criticising him for supporting BNP. I couldn't really care less, it's a free country. I agree with a couple of labour policies and so therefore I would admit that I partially support them - however I wouldn't go out and vote for them (at least until brown is out).

The fact undertaker is arguing so hard and spending so much time and energy defending different BNP policies - I think it is very clear he does support them (at least to an extent).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well yes to an extent. Just because you are not rallying round and voting for them doesn't mean you do not support them.

I think the thing here is that undertaker in particular seems to think I am criticising him for supporting BNP. I couldn't really care less, it's a free country. I agree with a couple of labour policies and so therefore I would admit that I partially support them - however I wouldn't go out and vote for them (at least until brown is out).

The fact undertaker is arguing so hard and spending so much time and energy defending different BNP policies - I think it is very clear he does support them (at least to an extent).

In that case then, the vast majority of this forum will support the BNP as there will probably be at least one policy they agree with/partly agree with. I have been through the principles of some of their policies I support, so if thats supporting them then so be it, as the majority of this country support them going by that logic.

UKIP matches every one of my opinions on how this country should be run, with the Conservatives being second. BNP are nowhere near, I do however and will continue to stick up for them in discussions like these and people will continue to vote for them while there is institutional apartheid on the side of the state and it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I have said it before and i'll say it again, the day political correctness is cut back with the abolishment of organisations such as the BPOA then that will be the end of the BNP overnight. Until then they have a case i'm afraid.

[LuketheDuke]

I think people on here need to probably take a much greater look at the value of politics and societies used within the civil service to ensure equality is preserved.

The BNP are a reactionary party of people with questionable intentions who say radical things to give thesmelves publicity. Nick Griffin denied the Holocaust and has pushed for schemes which involves payed incentives for foreign migrants to leave the country. Has anyone noticed no one with any non British ancestory is allowed to join?

Also this argument for positive discrimination in the police force is deemed to be racist? All organisations like that do is to check that jobs are given to the best qualified candidates to stop discrimination in the work place.

If you want an exmaple of a broken institution look at the House of Commons, the proportion of women/ethnic minorities to white caucasian males is completely out of balance.

I voted Green!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think people on here need to probably take a much greater look at the value of politics and societies used within the civil service to ensure equality is preserved.

The BNP are a reactionary party of people with questionable intentions who say radical things to give thesmelves publicity. Nick Griffin denied the Holocaust and has pushed for schemes which involves payed incentives for foreign migrants to leave the country. Has anyone noticed no one with any non British ancestory is allowed to join?

Also this argument for positive discrimination in the police force is deemed to be racist? All organisations like that do is to check that jobs are given to the best qualified candidates to stop discrimination in the work place.

If you want an exmaple of a broken institution look at the House of Commons, the proportion of women/ethnic minorities to white caucasian males is completely out of balance.

I voted Green!

However only something like 96% of our population is black/asian/etc so in reality it should only be out of every 100 MP's, only 4 are of a different race. This is wrong anyway, you shouldn't vote/hire someone based on race, sex or sexuality - you hire them if they are good for the job.

[LuketheDuke]

Check area likes St Pauls in Bristol and Norwood in South London, areas with diverse communities yet have typical politicians.

And I agree that the best person for the job needs to be hired, which is why organisations which encourage positive discrimination are a good thing as it means the above sentiments are truly met, yet some people have suggested its racist?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You do not need regulations/guides for so many black people/disabled people in an organisation - you hire on who is best for the job, not who has a suitable skin colour.

The government is creating an apartheid system, why would a British (a mainly white country) parliament need to have a certain amount of MP's who are black/asian/etc when the country is mainly white, it is the same with women. Politics interests men much more than women, hence why there are more male MP's.

If someone offered me a job just because of my skin colour i'd turn it down, I want to be hired based on my qualifications and skills and not the colour of my skin/sex/sexuality.

[LuketheDuke]

Your completely ignoring my argument and turning it on its head.

I make the suggestion that its a good thing that well qualified candidates for jobs in Britain can be employed from whatever background, and organisations which monitor this are a good thing.

Yet theres a suggestion that organisations such as these discriminate against caucasian nationals when all they promote is a level playing field for everyone, women included? That it what I do not understand.

[Fez]

I just have to post this as I actually laughed at this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

It's also ironic that Nick Griffen said himself, after the incident, that it "was a sad day for British democracy."

LOL

[-:Undertaker:-]

Your completely ignoring my argument and turning it on its head.

I make the suggestion that its a good thing that well qualified candidates for jobs in Britain can be employed from whatever background, and organisations which monitor this are a good thing.

Yet theres a suggestion that organisations such as these discriminate against caucasian nationals when all they promote is a level playing field for everyone, women included? That it what I do not understand.

My point is, I can't seem to gather what your stance is on it, that it does not matter what background you have, it matters on your skills, and hiring more MP's/people who are black/asian just because they are black/asian is wrong.


I just have to post this as I actually laughed at this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm

It's also ironic that Nick Griffen said himself, after the incident, that it "was a sad day for British democracy."

LOL

Indeed it is a sad day, because people who have covered slimy Labour ministers with green custard before have been arrested, yet I do not see the police arresting people in this case/protecting the BNP as they would with Labour or any of the mainstream partys.

[LuketheDuke]

Im trying to point out that the argument you make about organisations such as Black Unions within the police force make sure that the best people get the jobs when your trying to ram the fact home that for some reason their unfair.

I come from no stance with this argument I just think your incorperating your right wing stance into matters and interpreting them in a way in which only you see fit.

Also the person who threw green custard at peter mandelson claimed it was "acid" so was detained on that basis. I have no sympathy for Nick Griffin being egged as he has exploited the British public and denied the Holocaust.

[-:Undertaker:-]

My point is very simple, we do not need black unions in a multi-cultural, non-apartheid society just like we do not need white unions and all the rest of it. I am using common sense, because until black unions and so on are abolished then the BNP will keep gaining votes.

That woman did not claim it was acid, acid is not thick and does not have the substance of custard so please don't make the story up. We fought two world wars to be able to say what we want, distasteful his comments may be, he has a right to say them, just like various tv programs have the right to say 9/11 was a set up by the US government.

We fought two world wars for a reason, not so our political elite could pick and choose what we hear - which is exactly what we were fighting.

[LuketheDuke]

Didnt actually make that up mate, researched it and watched a segment from Newsnight that looked into it.

And your still completely ignoring my point. Unions help equality and in this country the so called "WASP's" still walk into many jobs despite there being far better alternatives, I did a coursework piece on that too so dont dismiss it either.

And are you aware that we fought two world wars, the second one in particular against forces who purged the innocent? Therefore when he makes claims rejecting that the genocide in Eastern Europe against Jewish people he's insulting the principle on which we fought WWII.

[le harry]

queef.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Didnt actually make that up mate, researched it and watched a segment from Newsnight that looked into it.

And your still completely ignoring my point. Unions help equality and in this country the so called "WASP's" still walk into many jobs despite there being far better alternatives, I did a coursework piece on that too so dont dismiss it either.

And are you aware that we fought two world wars, the second one in particular against forces who purged the innocent? Therefore when he makes claims rejecting that the genocide in Eastern Europe against Jewish people he's insulting the principle on which we fought WWII.

You think green custard looks like acid which is mostly transparent in colour? - you need your eyes checked out.

I couldn't care less to be frank whether or not you've wrote a hunded page dossier on the subject or not, it doesn't mean your argument is automcatically correct. Often when people are in need of backup in a discussion they will say something like "I have done homework on it" or "I visited the European Parliament" - oh so that makes you correct then.

We fought two world wars for freedom yes, and the freedom to choose and the freedom to speech. Either you can accept attacks on the BNP but also accept attacks on Labour ministers OR you can not allow attacks on either of them.

We don't need minority groups or anything like that, a waste of money and quite frankly if I was a black police officer I would be ashamed of the apartheid that this government has created in the United Kingdom.

[jam666]

Didnt actually make that up mate, researched it and watched a segment from Newsnight that looked into it.

And your still completely ignoring my point. Unions help equality and in this country the so called "WASP's" still walk into many jobs despite there being far better alternatives, I did a coursework piece on that too so dont dismiss it either.

And are you aware that we fought two world wars, the second one in particular against forces who purged the innocent? Therefore when he makes claims rejecting that the genocide in Eastern Europe against Jewish people he's insulting the principle on which we fought WWII.

Just because you watched something from a TV show does not make it 100% fact. Also, you did a piece of coursework on the issue? That doesnt mean its true either. Please use FACTS not opinions.

We fought two world wars to ensure FREEDOM for everyone and to establish EQUALITY. Everyone has their right to be who or what they want to be without question but when segregation happens, for example forming a race only group like the BNP or whatever organisation. People start to hate and this is the CAUSE of segregation because of people from these organisations. EVERYONE is equal and was EQUAL until people created this only and that only groups which only helps to support the fact that people are one thing and other people are another.

I and im sure that 99.9% of other people treat everyone equally, however its the 0.01% who try and make life hard for each other.

[LuketheDuke]

Just because you watched something from a TV show does not make it 100% fact. Also, you did a piece of coursework on the issue? That doesnt mean its true either. Please use FACTS not opinions.

We fought two world wars to ensure FREEDOM for everyone and to establish EQUALITY. Everyone has their right to be who or what they want to be without question but when segregation happens, for example forming a race only group like the BNP or whatever organisation. People start to hate and this is the CAUSE of segregation because of people from these organisations. EVERYONE is equal and was EQUAL until people created this only and that only groups which only helps to support the fact that people are one thing and other people are another.

I and im sure that 99.9% of other people treat everyone equally, however its the 0.01% who try and make life hard for each other.



If I put my own opinion into a piece of legitimate coursework and tried to pass it off as a fact Id get penalized, so I dont know where this argument or the one above comes from, sounds like your chumming up on me just because Ive done some actual research on the subject.

I really cant be bothered to argue anymore as I think anything that upsets the right wing opinion of some people can't be tolerated or met with constructive debate, it only gets rubbished or insulted.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If I put my own opinion into a piece of legitimate coursework and tried to pass it off as a fact Id get penalized, so I dont know where this argument or the one above comes from, sounds like your chumming up on me just because Ive done some actual research on the subject.

I really cant be bothered to argue anymore as I think anything that upsets the right wing opinion of some people can't be tolerated or met with constructive debate, it only gets rubbished or insulted.

The only argument your putting forward, and you just said it yourself, is that you did a piece of coursework on the subject - that is telling us sod all.

[LuketheDuke]

Telling you that perhaps positive discrimination in the workplace is a good thing if people from rich, caucasian, afluent backgrounds are fast tracked into jobs in front of better qualified people from ethnic backgrounds (women aswell). The BNP would destroy such a thing and wreck this opportunity

The whole discussion we were having beforehand ykno.

[-:Undertaker:-]

There is no discrimination, it should be who is best for the job. To hire someone who is white/male over someone who is black/female because they are better isn't discrimination - thus why we don't need these pointless regulations/laws.

[LuketheDuke]

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

But it does happen in this world we live in you see, that's why these groups ensure the person who is indeed the BEST qualified actually DOES get the job.

Political correctness can go too far but its blind to say that certain forms of discrimination in the workplace have been irradicated in todays society. Once it stops I agree Unions thats champion the rights of certain people needn't exist but we're a far distance from that in reality.