A13 Rule..

[Samishlol]

A13. Leave moderating to the moderators – If you see someone breaking a rule, click the report post icon on that post with a brief description. Also, you may not discuss bans on the forum. If you wish to dispute a ban use the Support System. Also, you should never ignore a moderators warning, change their warnings, or open a thread they have closed.

I think this rule is stupid because we are only telling others not to swear or spam. I think this rule should be taken out. It's like making us report a post for a pointless reason.

[Immenseman]

I think it's good because you're not going to want other users telling you what to do as it just encourages argument along the lines of "who the hell are you to tell me what to do". If you want to be helpful, just report the post. It's the same in real life if someone who is at the same "status" as you tells you what to do you'd be like "errr... excuse me?!"

[Robbie]

I agree, and I know why you just posted this :P. Think of it, like Jake said like this:

Guy 1: *stabs people*
Guy 2: STOP THAT NOW!
Guy 1: LOL NO LOL WHAT ARE YOU!
Police: alreet pc plod ere, guy 1 your arrested.

[Immenseman]

Yeah I saw he got his post edited for this offence, lol

[GommeInc]

Depends on the context, if someone is just swearing it's alright for whoever to say "Do stop swearing". But not enforcing anything.

[Immenseman]

Depends on the context, if someone is just swearing it's alright for whoever to say "Do stop swearing". But not enforcing anything.
I don't think that should necessarily be the case. For example, say you made a post with loads of swearing I could quote it and say "You don't have to swear to prove your point.." but then move on to make sure the rest of the post relates to the thread. If I just went to a random thread saw someone swearing and just said "Don't swear, it's against the rules" then I'd be falling foul of the A13 rule, surely.

[Jordy]

Isn't it rather hypocritical making a post telling someone to stop pointlessly posting or spamming. Because in my eyes, any post doing that is just getting an easy post count and isn't contributing to the topic at all. It could fall under 'Trolling' though I suppose as commenting on rule breaking often winds people up.

[GommeInc]

I don't think that should necessarily be the case. For example, say you made a post with loads of swearing I could quote it and say "You don't have to swear to prove your point.." but then move on to make sure the rest of the post relates to the thread. If I just went to a random thread saw someone swearing and just said "Don't swear, it's against the rules" then I'd be falling foul of the A13 rule, surely.
Which is why I said context ;) If someone was just blindly swearing like a girl on heat, I'd say "Do stop swearing, you're making no sense". That isn't against the rule, because that's opinion. The rule states don't point out the rules to people (basically) and saying "Don't swear" isn't against any written rules ;) It's the same with I hate PS3s and I love 360s opinions. Opinion, not written rules ;)

Just saying "Stop swearing" maybe against pointless posting rules, but only if they don't later say why. Someone could write in reply to that: "What do you mean?" and if the first person replies it isn't pointless, unless they say "Because it is" but I don't dignify that as a reply :P

[Catzsy]

Well by actually telling members not to swear or spam and not adding anything to the context of the thread could be actually breaking 3 rules, depending on the post:

1. Leave the moderating to the moderators

2. Spamming the thread yourself

3. Posting to cause an argument.

IMO It is not the rule that is the problem it is the need of the member to tell someone else off and presumably see it in black and white. The report button is there to use if you are unhappy about a post and it's a great deal quicker too.

Have you tried doing this? :)

[Samishlol]

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.

[Immenseman]

Which is why I said context ;) If someone was just blindly swearing like a girl on heat, I'd say "Do stop swearing, you're making no sense". That isn't against the rule, because that's opinion. The rule states don't point out the rules to people (basically) and saying "Don't swear" isn't against any written rules ;) It's the same with I hate PS3s and I love 360s opinions. Opinion, not written rules ;)
You use the ;) too much. Anyone would think you're making a move on me ;)

[Jordy]

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.I'm waiting for your point...

[Immenseman]

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.
Not really that long, better than it not being dealt with. They do it to the best of their ability and if it isn't quite up to your standards they aren't going to adapt for you.

[Catzsy]

Not really that long, better than it not being dealt with.

Depends when it was and how urgent the post was. :)

[GommeInc]

You use the ;) too much. Anyone would think you're making a move on me ;)
I am ;)

I still stand by the foreign language rule should be merged with pointless posting, because it is when no-one knows what you are saying.

[Robbie]

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.

Thats PROBABLY because:

1. We don't sit there pressing F5 every 2 seconds to check for reported posts.
2. Theres a lot more to deal with that just reported posts.
3. We have to check other threads and read through them, not just the reported ones.
4. Only Jess was here for the past week or two, Paul is sort of away for exams and I was way for personal reasons. (I'm back now, woohoo).
5. We have to be active in the community aswell, taking part in threads etc

They are always dealt with. Even if it takes 3 seconds or 3 hours, as long as it's not extreme like a week, does it really matter? The normal mods can't see post reports either so Jess was doing them by herself, then she was 'hacked' so Matt and Garion did some (and it isn't their job). Then I came back and Pauls been doing some aswell.

Nvr, Garion and Matt are more than happy (afaik) with the time it takes to do things, because they know it's a lot more than post reports.

[Jin]

Okay simple reason,

Guy 1: Why don't you all diez lolz.
Guy 2: Please don't be rude.
Guy 1: Shap guy 2 your a ***** and your mum is fat cow.
Guy 2: Why don't you go **** yourself you stupid **** * **8*

Now in the interest of being fair we need to take actions against both people.

When your a moderator it's a lot easier to take the abuse given back to you especially as you can warn, infract and ban people.

But when your a normal user you are more inclined to retaliate to a provoking reply. This is how arguments are caused and we get several pages of people just being rude and swearing.

To put things in perspective, if you see a house being burgled or a car being broken to, you would be wise to phone the police rather then get involved yourself.

Even if it does take 3 hours to sort out, the post is not going to go anywhere and will eventually be dealt with by people who have the powers to deal with such users.

[nvrspk4]

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.

But will telling them not to swear solve the situation any faster? :8

[Samishlol]

But will telling them not to swear solve the situation any faster? :8No.. but then they would carry on anyway.

[Robbie]

But you telling them isn't going to make them stop, so why bother?

[xxMATTGxx]

A13. Leave moderating to the moderators – If you see someone breaking a rule, click the report post icon on that post with a brief description. Also, you may not discuss bans on the forum. If you wish to dispute a ban use the Support System. Also, you should never ignore a moderators warning, change their warnings, or open a thread they have closed.

I don't really see a problem with this rule. Pretty simple, it also stops arguments really for when your telling them to "stop" something when that's up to the Moderation Department.

[Samishlol]

But you telling them isn't going to make them stop, so why bother?So a warning or infraction will make them stop? Doesn't work with everyone.

[Jin]

So a warning or infraction will make them stop? Doesn't work with everyone.


True but when that doesnt work a ban does. At the end of the day the of the day the users have no power to deal with rule breakers all you guys can really do is say "hey stop that" which isn't exactly an effective method of moderation. It causes pointless arguments which do not make the forum look welcoming or friendly to new users and we get screwed at by people saying "Well he started it" or "why didn't you infract him!". Which puts us in a "Damned if you do, Damned if you don't" position, so the simplest solution is Rule A13. Leave moderating to the moderators.

[GoldenMerc]

yes of course, taking the rules into the members hands (A)

[lick]

I didn't read any posts, but you would have not complained if you didn't get warned for it

[leah]

I don't think that should necessarily be the case. For example, say you made a post with loads of swearing I could quote it and say "You don't have to swear to prove your point.." but then move on to make sure the rest of the post relates to the thread. If I just went to a random thread saw someone swearing and just said "Don't swear, it's against the rules" then I'd be falling foul of the A13 rule, surely.
sure!

Last time I reported a post it took the moderators 3 hours to respond.
I'm sure they replied ASAP, they can't be expected to do everything at once.

No.. but then they would carry on anyway.
You just answered your own question, telling someone not to won't achieve anything as they'll just continue, as Moderators have punishing powers they're bound to stop breaking the rules.

[Jorc]

I personally don't think the rule is stupid, let the mods do what the mods need to do.

[Robbie]

So a warning or infraction will make them stop? Doesn't work with everyone.

Much more effective than a member telling them to stop. What will that achieve? At the end of the day you're only annoyed about the rule because I warned you for breaking it.

This isn't ClubHabbo, we don't have like, one rule. All the rules are there for a reason and are pretty damn effective.

[GommeInc]

Much more effective than a member telling them to stop. What will that achieve? At the end of the day you're only annoyed about the rule because I warned you for breaking it.

This isn't ClubHabbo, we don't have like, one rule. All the rules are there for a reason and are pretty damn effective.
I think the problem with that is that it conflicts with some peoples opinions. So if someone doesn't like heap loads of swearing (filtered, infiltered), they will uncontrollable make that opinion known, as a joke or not. For example:

Jokingly

Oh do stop swearing dear ;)

Malicious/Rude

STOP SWEARING YOU COW! IT'S AGAINST THE RULES!!!

Technically, the jokingly quote isn't against any rules, not even the rule about moderating, as it makes no references. So I'd imagine it's only the second quote that is the problem?

[Robbie]

Hmm, if the post is purely:


Oh do stop swearing dear ;) then I'd personally edit it but if it was
Oh do stop swearing dear ;)

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet - stuff about topic here then I'd leave it.