This forum is full of sickos

[Tintinnabulate]

It really is. Yes most of them are immature kids but the way they have been behaving in the Michael Jackson threads is just disgraceful.

If someone behaved that way in my forum, they would be perm banned instantly. Not because they posted their opinion, but because they are seriously insane. Posting jokes about a dead person? How can people even think of such thing is beyond me.

I am sure these people would hate it if their loved ones died and someone made fun of them.
And before you say "none of you knew MJ", true, most people probably didnt know him, but he was their hero, so for them its a great loss.

I will show you a few examples ...


Hahaha. He died.


http://i40.tinypic.com/2ebqrmg.jpg


What did MJ consider a "perfect ten"?

Two five year olds


One less paedophile in the world


How many skin bleach companies will go bust now
I like how it was a AGM and mainly habbox staff encouraging these kind of posts which led to the thread being closed ...


RIP - Recently Inert Paedophile


RIP Michael Jackson - you touched many people

many children*


What's the difference between Michael Jackson and a carrier bag?

One's plastic and should be kept away from children, the other you put your shopping in This guys been posting non-stop jokes.

I am not saying people should sit there all day and cry, just saying stop trashing the thread. People want to use that thread to pay respects to him, and people coming over and laughing will obviously cause arguments.

And before anyone says "Ohh shut up you just love MJ". Actually I don't. I just think its sick that people are making fun of a dead person and purposely making sick comments.

[Kipp]

I have to agree, I've seen some sick posts about the Michael Jackson's death.

[buttons]

it's not fair if michael jackson jokes aren't allowed and jade goody ones were, if the staff stopped us from posting the jokes no matter how sick they were then it'd would be denying us "freedom of speech" in a way, you can not expect everyone to feel the same way about everyone but that's just life, you wouldn't see anyone get punished for it in real life so why should it be different on here?

[Favourtism]

Who cares? If any other paedo died there would be celebrations

[Tintinnabulate]

it's not fair if michael jackson jokes aren't allowed and jade goody ones were, if the staff stopped us from posting the jokes no matter how sick they were then it'd would be denying us "freedom of speech" in a way, you can not expect everyone to feel the same way about everyone but that's just life, you wouldn't see anyone get punished for it in real life so why should it be different on here?

Not saying you should feel the same way, but that thread was blatantly there for MJ fans and people are posting stuff like above, obviously it will cause arguments.

[scottish]

It's a joke if you don't like it don't view the thread, NOT HARD?!

And after all the threads on the forum about him dying no wonder their fed up and like get over it :S

[Berch]

it's not fair if michael jackson jokes aren't allowed and jade goody ones were, if the staff stopped us from posting the jokes no matter how sick they were then it'd would be denying us "freedom of speech" in a way, you can not expect everyone to feel the same way about everyone but that's just life, you wouldn't see anyone get punished for it in real life so why should it be different on here?

I have to agree with Buttons here. If Jade Goody jokes where 'allowed' as to say than it shouldn't be different for any other person despite fame or anything one persons life is just as important as another if that be someone no one knows or a famous star who made great songs their people and no one deserves to die. It was OK when people where laughing at Jade Goody jokes and posting them their selves but not when Michael Jackson threads are created jokes shouldn't be made on anyone's death maybe in real with a friend than move on with it but really everyone needs to drop the subject and move on with the jokes now as people are just going to keep arguing otherwise.

[Tintinnabulate]

I wasnt really active during Jade's death but I just think people making fun of dead people is sick.


It's a joke if you don't like it don't view the thread, NOT HARD?!

Or maybe if you are going to go and post rude comments when you know for a fact that MJ fans will be posting then maybe its you who shouldnt be posting?

[scottish]

I haven't posted one, but was tempted to due to the 50 threads about MJ, one person died i really couldn't care less if it was MJ...

[Tintinnabulate]

I did report those threads stating there should only be one thread as I agree, 50 threads arent needed and should all be merged into one.

But still making fun of dead people who many people class as their heros is just sick.

[scottish]

It's a forum for teenagers. Key word.

[Tintinnabulate]

So you are saying all teenagers should be allowed to do what they want?
Most should use basic common sense.

And there is yet another thread on "MJ Jokes" - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=587021
So yeah Sammeth. if you want to post your sick jokes, you are welcome to post there :)
And like scottish said, I wont have a look there.

I just dont think people should post it in a thread which is there for people to pay their respects etc.

[scottish]

People who don't like michael jackson or whatever will make jokes, same as jade goody, they made jokes. Its inevitable.

[Tintinnabulate]

I am saying post it somewhere else then.
Like I said before, posting it in a thread full of MJ fans will obviously cause arguments.

[Wootzeh]

There's a thing called free speech, yes there may be boundaries but these jokes aren't crossing the line.

[Tintinnabulate]

Post it in the jokes thread then. Posting it in the MJ thread will obviously cause arguments.

And I really do think people should think about it. They wont like people making fun if their family member died, so why make fun of others?

[Kieeran]

Post it in the jokes thread then. Posting it in the MJ thread will obviously cause arguments.

And I really do think people should think about it. They wont like people making fun if their family member died, so why make fun of others?

Thats the thing, hes nobody on heres family? so why get so cut up about it. i was over it after 2 seconds. His family must be gutted; im not

[Mentor]

Since he's dead he likely doesnt really care whether people make jokes about him or not.

Death is the butt of many jokes (tragedy+time=humour?), like it or not. He died, so did a few 1000 others, thats life. Just because you have a set of values that say making light of death is wrong, doesn't mean everyone else in the world shares them. Just because you want to shove your morality down everyone else's throat doesn't mean we all want to listen. People have the freedom to say what they want, as do you. You equally have the freedom not to read things that are going to offend you.

I don't really care that he died, plenty of other people did too. I dont see what the big deal is about people making some jokes...

[Tintinnabulate]

Thats the thing, hes nobody on heres family? so why get so cut up about it. i was over it after 2 seconds. His family must be gutted; im not

Hence I said his fans.

And if people read my post they will see I am saying post the jokes in the MJ jokes thread then. Not in a thread where people are paying their respects ...

[Kieeran]

Hence I said his fans.

And if people read my post they will see I am saying post the jokes in the MJ jokes thread then. Not in a thread where people are paying their respects ...

yeah i do agree there to an extent as that thread at first was a shock to most people which is why i created the thread but still after like a few minutes you realise your over it

[17-jamie-17]

All of you stupid ***** saying "oh another peado out the world? Have you got a ******* brain he was cleared of all charges! do people know what that means? obv not. His whole career was ruined by these accusations, he should of died a free man, but no he dies with everyone thinking hes some sick paedophile? is that fair? no it isnt, hes dead let the accusations die with him and remember him for the music he gifted to world, which is all he wanted to do in his life.
you may all think hes the sick one but no thats far from the truth you sick ***** making fun of him for something he didnt do are the sick ones. even now hes dead cant you get over what he DIDNT even do and show respect to somebody who gave more to the world than you could if you lived like 20 times, all you people making jokes just shows how disgusting you are inside hes gone let him rest in peace rather than still making sick comments.

And Sammeth. i thought YOU were bigger than that

[The Professor]

Who cares? If any other paedo died there would be celebrations

He was found not guilty.

Irl I'm always the first one to make sick jokes, its kinda my thing. But there's a time and a place; if the thread was a serious "RIP Michael Jackson" thread I think there's an argument that posting jokes like that is trying to derail the thread (ie. trolling). I wouldn't go so far as to say ban them for making the jokes because you'll always get them and its just what teenagers do, but they should be kept to a separate thread out of respect for Michael Jackson and the people who want to pay their respects.

[Jonster]

It's not as if he was one of the greatest musicians to exist or anything. I doubt it was him at all that brought a whole new era of music to the industry... :rolleyes:

No-one wishes death upon anyone, whether they are close to you or not. Yes, it happens to thousands of people every day, but how many of those people have changed the face of music? Show a little respect to him at least.

He may have made mistakes during his life, but everyone does, it's in our nature. He may have been in the press for child molester, but as far as I'm concerned, he was never found guilty towards it, so why continue to bring it up as if he did something tragic?

I mean, the majority of you say "I didn't know him, so why should I care?", well in which case, why make such a fuss over the alleged child molester reports? You didn't know him, nor did you know the child involved, so I fail to see why you would care in that situation.

Frankly, it's childish and immature to be posting such things about someones death. It was the same with Jade Goody, and now it's happening again - it isn't funny, at all. It's almost as if you're joining in with the crowd to be noticed...why? It doesn't give you any credit - it just makes you look pathetic and silly.

[Tintinnabulate]

He was found not guilty.

Irl I'm always the first one to make sick jokes, its kinda my thing. But there's a time and a place; if the thread was a serious "RIP Michael Jackson" thread I think there's an argument that posting jokes like that is trying to derail the thread (ie. trolling). I wouldn't go so far as to say ban them for making the jokes because you'll always get them and its just what teenagers do, but they should be kept to a separate thread out of respect for Michael Jackson and the people who want to pay their respects.
I was just saying that about my forum, obviously sierk / nvrspk4 decide the rules here.

And I agree with the other 2 posts above me on this page. They have expressed my thoughts much better than I ever could.

[17-jamie-17]

Yeah nice to see some people can still have empathy.

I apoligise for my language :l

[xxMATTGxx]

HabboxForum Rules don't cover for sick jokes, this is the problem we are having. You can't just stop a load of them because then they will argue but you didn't stop the Jade Goody ones? All jokes regarding Michael Jackson should be put into a spoiler. Therefore you do not have to actually read them. This is the easiest way to get around the situation. If we didn't accept them a ton of people will have to be punished via the system and it's not just normal members who are doing it, staff are as well.

[Cixso]

Michael Jackson was found INNOCENT of all charges so the FACT is he is not a paedophile.

[Yonder]

Michael Jackson was found INNOCENT of all charges so the FACT is he is not a paedophile.

Doesn't make it a fact. A Trial is based on opinions of a jury based on evidence which is factual.

[17-jamie-17]

it's not just normal members who are doing it, staff are as well.

Yeah just shows how immature the staff are doesnt it

[Tintinnabulate]

Yeah just shows how immature the staff are doesnt it

Well punish the staff then :)
Make a rule from now, so anyone doing it from now will be punished? Even the staff ... :)

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah just shows how immature the staff are doesnt it


Well punish the staff then :)
Make a rule from now, so anyone doing it from now will be punished? Even the staff ... :)


It's not quite as easy has you may think to be honest.

[Pyroka]

Its completely out of order I know.

[17-jamie-17]

I know its not easy. but staff should know better, im just gunna use sammeth. as an example, hes in a quite high position of COMMUNIY A.M but hes risking offending people IN THE community which i think shows he isnt capable of doing his job and socialising on the same site

[Yonder]

Its a shame someone has died yes. But 1000s people die every day and jokes get made about all sorts of things. Maybe people just seem more personally offened by these jokes because they like MJ and he was popular, however i don't think there should be a reason to stop jokes just because its MJ. If you stop jokes about MJ then it means you have to stop jokes completely and that is just stupid.

[Kieeran]

it's actually only just hit me watching 'this morning' that hes gone. All jokes aside, it will have a big impact on the music industry obviously i wsn't around when elvis died but i imagine he will be spoken about the way elvis is now in 20-30 years time

[Pyroka]

I know its not easy. but staff should know better, im just gunna use sammeth. as an example, hes in a quite high position of COMMUNIY A.M but hes risking offending people IN THE community which i think shows he isnt capable of doing his job and socialising on the same site

Your argument is pretty valid if we were talking about Houses of Parliament for example.

However this is HabboxForum, I don't really think he's risking his jobs because about a small minority of the forum are kicking off over the fact people are making Michael Jackson jokes. He has to uphold some sort of professionalism, sure that's a given, but he shouldn't be criticized for letting his hair down (because if you do, thats something an asshat would do).

The jokes are funny, some people dont like them and they shouldnt read them if they don't. If you can't help yourself reading them then you're really a victim of your own curiousity. Have a break, have a kitkat.

[Yonder]

it's actually only just hit me watching 'this morning' that hes gone. All jokes aside, it will have a big impact on the music industry obviously i wsn't around when elvis died but i imagine he will be spoken about the way elvis is now in 20-30 years time

I think he will be remembered in two different ways.

Some will remember him as a great musician and idol, otherwise will remember him as the most famous "accused" paedophile.

Elvis was the King.

[17-jamie-17]

Its a shame someone has died yes. But 1000s people die every day and jokes get made about all sorts of things. Maybe people just seem more personally offened by these jokes because they like MJ and he was popular, however i don't think there should be a reason to stop jokes just because its MJ. If you stop jokes about MJ then it means you have to stop jokes completely and that is just stupid.


Tbh i didnt like MJ i just dont agree with all jokes surrounding peoples deaths. but not EVERYBODYS death has as many jokes made about it? Just because he was well known people make SICK jokes about him STRAIGHT After hes died, and for something he was cleared of. if you want to make a sick joke about sumbody at least have the guts to do it to THEM while they are alive, just let him rest in peace

[17-jamie-17]

Your argument is pretty valid if we were talking about Houses of Parliament for example.

However this is HabboxForum, I don't really think he's risking his jobs because about a small minority of the forum are kicking off over the fact people are making Michael Jackson jokes. He has to uphold some sort of professionalism, sure that's a given, but he shouldn't be criticized for letting his hair down (because if you do, thats something an asshat would do).

The jokes are funny, some people dont like them and they shouldnt read them if they don't. If you can't help yourself reading them then you're really a victim of your own curiousity. Have a break, have a kitkat.


I didnt say he was RISKING His job, i said he was RISKING offending people that have an influential part in his job kkty

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[Pyroka]

I didnt say he was RISKING His job, i said he was RISKING offending people that have an influential part in his job kkty

Kkty .

[17-jamie-17]

Kkty .

Oh so mature as ever arent we?

[Yonder]

Tbh i didnt like MJ i just dont agree with all jokes surrounding peoples deaths. but not EVERYBODYS death has as many jokes made about it? Just because he was well known people make SICK jokes about him STRAIGHT After hes died, and for something he was cleared of. if you want to make a sick joke about sumbody at least have the guts to do it to THEM while they are alive, just let him rest in peace

But many of the jokes wouldn't be told if he was alive as they use play on words that go hand in hand with his death. Jokes are jokes all the same. I woke up to couple on my mobile. I didn't freak out. Not every living person has had a joke made about their death. But even Princess Diana had jokes about her death.

I haven't ventured into the MJ threads except this one as i don't want to see the jokes, not because i will get offened i just don't really like MJ so what is the point of me posting/viewing them threads.

You also said you don't like him, so why even bother reading them. Its going to happen jokes are going to be made about MJ for next couple of weeks on the net and in real life. Maybe you should lock your self in your room for the meantime. You may not get offened then.

[Pyroka]

Oh so mature as ever arent we?

Very mature actually, I know how to decrypt a reason into a real action.

For example, him risking offending people who are influential in his job is like saying he is risking insulting the people he is responsible for. Those people may be so insulted he will not be able to reason with them. He may risk his job for offending them.

So shush, Mr McReasonable.

[17-jamie-17]

But many of the jokes wouldn't be told if he was alive as they use play on words that go hand in hand with his death. Jokes are jokes all the same. I woke up to couple on my mobile. I didn't freak out. Not every living person has had a joke made about their death. But even Princess Diana had jokes about her death.

I haven't ventured into the MJ threads except this one as i don't want to see the jokes, not because i will get offened i just don't really like MJ so what is the point of me posting/viewing them threads.

You also said you don't like him, so why even bother reading them. Its going to happen jokes are going to be made about MJ for next couple of weeks on the net and in real life. Maybe you should lock your self in your room for the meantime. You may not get offened then.


As iv said once its not the fact that its MJ its the fact that theres some stupid sick people out there who make fun about peoples deaths

Is death something to laugh about?? no its not.

[Pyroka]

As iv said once its not the fact that its MJ its the fact that theres some stupid sick people out there who make fun about peoples deaths

Is death something to laugh about?? no its not.

Its funny you say that, because at my nans funeral I've never laughed so hard in my life. I guess people just dwell on things and get all upset because they're a bit sadistic. I loved my nan, total respect to her, but I was just in pure stitches over what the vicar was saying about her. :']

[Chippiewill]

Everyone is entitiled to their own opinion, MJ is marmite, face it. I personally am having a great day because he died, I hated him, he is my least favourite person ever. You cannot just create a thread and expect it to be one sided, even if it is for MJ. MJ is no different to ANY other person. However nothing is funny until 21.something years (As define by South Park) therefore jokes just aren't funny yet. I think a black out should be made on all MJ threads, they are grossly unessercary and are only going to cause arguments. I think we should force an announcement that states that Looking at MJ threads is at your own risk and some people may be offended by it and if you are easily offended, don't read the thread.

[HotelUser]

Even though he was a pedophile it's still very rude, and immature to be laughing at his death.

So to those who thought it necessary to make fun of the dead: grow up.

[Moh]

The thing is tho, most of these jokes were around BEFORE he died... so it doesn't make any difference if hes dead or alive.

[Callum.]

lol, everyone is entitled to their opinion. i love flyinyjesus' jokes tho.

[Alkaz]

Its a few jokes about someone you liked, get over it, people insult my friends, and celebrities I like and maybe who have died but you dont see people making a massive fuss about it. Its a few jokes, people are making much more of a thing about it than really needs to be done. If you were really dedicated fans as everyone seems to be then you would forget the immature jokes and realise it was bound to happen to anyone, so MJ would not be exepmt from that and you should be enjoying his life and what he has produced.

Just get over it!

[FlyingJesus]

still making fun of dead people who many people class as their heros is just sick.

Many people classed Saddam Hussein as a hero, not many of us cried when he went under

[Kieeran]

Many people classed Saddam Hussein as a hero, not many of us cried when he went under
good point tbh

[HotelUser]

Many people classed Saddam Hussein as a hero, not many of us cried when he went under
Saddam Hussein killed millions of innocent people.

Michael Jackson was a music legend.

[buttons]

So you are saying all teenagers should be allowed to do what they want?
Most should use basic common sense.

And there is yet another thread on "MJ Jokes" - http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=587021
So yeah Sammeth. if you want to post your sick jokes, you are welcome to post there :)
And like scottish said, I wont have a look there.

I just dont think people should post it in a thread which is there for people to pay their respects etc.
Then make a thread for his respects!! The threads are just "Michael is dead" so we can all post what we want on his death, make a thread for his respects and if anyone posts any stupid jokes they can be infracted or any other action taken, and the people who want to joke get their own thread, jesus.

Yeah just shows how immature the staff are doesnt it
not really? we're pretty much all the same, obviously they got to be more mature but then you'd moan they're too strict and boring

Well punish the staff then :)
Make a rule from now, so anyone doing it from now will be punished? Even the staff ... :)
no.... no-one should be punished for having a laugh

Its funny you say that, because at my nans funeral I've never laughed so hard in my life. I guess people just dwell on things and get all upset because they're a bit sadistic. I loved my nan, total respect to her, but I was just in pure stitches over what the vicar was saying about her. :']
exactly the same actually, people deal with things differently. no-one cried at my grans funeral, we just remembered the good things and joked about her death because we make light of the situation, it's the way things should be instead of getting worked up over something especially if it's nothing to do with you. Yeh the jokes are a bit over the top but some people can handle it it's different with famous people and your family, you would probably get pissed off with someone if they were totally disrespectful about your family but if they made light of it like i do then it's fine for me, michael's family aren't even here so therefore i don't feel like respectful for him :S

Even though he was a pedophile it's still very rude, and immature to be laughing at his death.

So to those who thought it necessary to make fun of the dead: grow up.

Saddam Hussein killed millions of innocent people.

Michael Jackson was a music legend.
make up your mind please, calling him a legend and a peado is disrespectful :eusa_naug

[HotelUser]

make up your mind please, calling him a legend and a peado is disrespectful :eusa_naug

Um, he can be both? And I should have wrote accused pedophile. He wasn't actually found to be one.

[Nixt]

Unfortunately such an event is not covered by the Forum rules. Jokes arising from a famous person's death, particularly a celebrity with a life as colourful as Jacko's (RIP), are inevitable and therefore it would be foolish for us to believe we could stop these death jokes being posted. I am not one to agree with posting such jokes and I consider them most distasteful HOWEVER this is not the opinion of everybody and others look at the event in a different manner. The best advice I could give you is simply ignore any jokes posted - if you do not agree with them then don't post telling the 'joker' that they are out of order or whatever, as that is only going to incite arguments. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I feel it is best, in this situation, to just ignore the opinions of others rather than allow debate to happen.

[Kieeran]

yh he is an accused peadophile that goes by legendary status

[Kieeran]

Unfortunately such an event is not covered by the Forum rules. Jokes arising from a famous person's death, particularly a celebrity with a life as colourful as Jacko's (RIP), are inevitable and therefore it would be foolish for us to believe we could stop these death jokes being posted. I am not one to agree with posting such jokes and I consider them most distasteful HOWEVER this is not the opinion of everybody and others look at the event in a different manner. The best advice I could give you is simply ignore any jokes posted - if you do not agree with them then don't post telling the 'joker' that they are out of order or whatever, as that is only going to incite arguments. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I feel it is best, in this situation, to just ignore the opinions of others rather than allow debate to happen.

this is completely off topic but are you superstitious because of the way u put (RIP) after Jacko :S

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[buttons]

Um, he can be both? And I should have wrote accused pedophile. He wasn't actually found to be one.
dunno what kind of sick **** you're into but if callin some a legend and a peadophille is fine then :S yeah ok that's right, he wasn't found to be one doesn't mean he def aint ;l

[Nixt]

this is completely off topic but are you superstitious because of the way u put (RIP) after Jacko :S

I am not superstitious but I respect the dead ;).

[Immenseman]

I don't think making jokes on the forum are appropriate, that's my opinion. I don't care if people do or not, it doesn't affect me and it shouldn't affect anyone else either seeing as nobody knew MJ, regardless of the fact he's their hero.

Also, all those people saying he's innocent of those allegations. Get real, he didn't pay the VICTIMS families millions for nothing :rolleyes:

[Titch]

So if others like sammeth. are aloud there own opinions and aloud to post theese jokes, does this mean i can post load of jokes about gays and it be ok yeh? Sounds good, i got some good jokes about them.

[PaintYourTarget]

Now, he released his last album in '95 when I was 5. So obviously in my lifetime, all I've known of him is the allegations of Paedophilia, bad parenting, erratic behaviour and obviously the Martin Bashir documentary and those are the things most of the jokes are taking the piss out of - they just happen to have resurfaced now 'cause he's in the mainstream again.

So to me, in my lifetime, he wasn't a legend. He was just someone who hadn't bowed out of the limelight when it was his time too.

[GommeInc]

There is nothing wrong with the jokes. No rules were/are being broken, not even the "trolling" rule, which is based around individuals trying to get a reaction, when really they're just posting an interest/opinion/story like anyone else which is a bit tongue in cheek. If you don't like it, simply don't read - it's what I do. Some of the jokes are quite creative anyway, and could be considered funny. They're not attacking the person, they're in light of the situation - most of them are sad that he has passed away, but post the jokes.


So if others like sammeth. are aloud there own opinions and aloud to post theese jokes, does this mean i can post load of jokes about gays and it be ok yeh? Sounds good, i got some good jokes about them.
What a stupid thing to say :rolleyes: Go right a head, have you not read the spam forum where we all act gay and Sammeth joins in? He doesn't seem at all offended ;) Seriously, some people don't get jokes -.-

EDIT: Just like to point out that Sammeth is not the only gay on the forum, but as you stated he was involved so just keeping in context :P

[Jordy]

Who cares? If any other paedo died there would be celebrationsWell he wasn't a paedofile as he wasn't convicted? So he isn't just another paedofile. Regardless of that even if he was a paedofile, his life should be celebrated for his music unlike other paedofiles who haven't achieved anything like that?

I agree with Professor-Alex, I can be the sick joke person when I want to be although it's just disrespectful and pretty much trolling in a serious or mourning thread about his death. There's a place for them and that's probably with friends and family who you know won't be offended.

I believe there is an appropriate rule though, either the trolling or inappropriate rule? I think there would of been a time a few years ago where laughing at deaths would of got you an inappropriate infraction.

I do question the direction of the forum though, topics are becoming way too distasteful, threads can no longer be sensible or serious as it now requires a joker because "it's the internet".

[Sammeth.]

I think the forum will always be divided by this subject. I see it as breaking no rules and harmless to people who read them. They can choose to read them or they can choose not to. I find making humour out of a bad situation a way to keep myself up, as I don't wanna drag my day down over something quite trivial. He was a legend, he made great music, and he was a much loved figure. Unfortunately the way some peoples sense of humours work is that these jokes, no matter which celebrity, will always arise pretty quickly. Making a joke or two doesn't in anyway affect how I do my job, or how capable I am of doing it. Everyone who knows me knows I take everything on here with a pinch of salt. Its the way I am and I'm not about to start taking my AGM status as if its a real life job and as if I have to be strict with myself. I am on here to have fun, why would I spend my spare time being unhappy and being bored by being totally serious with myself? Thats why most of the things I post are light hearted. I'm not here to dictate to you all what you should find funny, and what jokes you should post. However I did find them funny, Im not going to lie, its just who I am but you cannot punish someone for their sense of humour. As long as these jokes are within the forum rules, which from what I can see all of them were, then to me it's not an issue.

If nvrspk4 does want to tell me off, and please be aware when I do do stuff wrong he has no qualms shouting at me, he will and I'll take it. But I'll always maintain that I am allowed to find something funny even if it is quite edgy.


So if others like sammeth. are aloud there own opinions and aloud to post theese jokes, does this mean i can post load of jokes about gays and it be ok yeh? Sounds good, i got some good jokes about them.

If you want, I always poke fun at gays, no problem so far :P

[Favourtism]

Well he wasn't a paedofile as he wasn't convicted? So he isn't just another paedofile. Regardless of that even if he was a paedofile, his life should be celebrated for his music unlike other paedofiles who haven't achieved anything like that?

I agree with Professor-Alex, I can be the sick joke person when I want to be although it's just disrespectful and pretty much trolling in a serious or mourning thread about his death. There's a place for them and that's probably with friends and family who you know won't be offended.

I believe there is an appropriate rule though, either the trolling or inappropriate rule? I think there would of been a time a few years ago where laughing at deaths would of got you an inappropriate infraction.

I do question the direction of the forum though, topics are becoming way too distasteful, threads can no longer be sensible or serious as it now requires a joker because "it's the internet".
Are you a complete ******* moron? Of course he is a molester/paedo. WHY would an innocent man may his 'victims' families millions TO NOT TESTIFY?

I laughed at Jade Goodys jokes because she was a vile cow when alive and the same principle applies to Michael; Karma :)

Edited by Bomb-Head (Assistant General Manager): Please don't be rude.

[Jordy]

Are you a complete ******* moron? Of course he is a molester/paedo. WHY would an innocent man may his 'victims' families millions TO NOT TESTIFY?

I laughed at Jade Goodys jokes because she was a vile cow when alive and the same principle applies to Michael; Karma :)No I'm not, I can also put my point across without being rude and swearing, it wasn't needed?

I only listen to what the Court says and they said he wasn't guilty? I trust what they say as there's no overwhelming evidence either way. You just can't say "OF COURSE HE IS" and call me a moron because I deny it, it's a totally opinionated thing.

[Favourtism]

No I'm not, I can also put my point across without being rude and swearing, it wasn't needed?

I only listen to what the Court says and they said he wasn't guilty? I trust what they say as there's no overwhelming evidence either way. You just can't say "OF COURSE HE IS" and call me a moron because I deny it, it's a totally opinionated thing.
The judges, yes the people in the court, said afterwards that they think he is a molester, they just didn't have enough evidence to convict, and more importantly stand a re-trial.

[HotelUser]

dunno what kind of sick **** you're into but if callin some a legend and a peadophille is fine then :S yeah ok that's right, he wasn't found to be one doesn't mean he def aint ;l

Jen you're twisting this and it's absolutely ridiculous.

Obviously Hitler is worse than Michael Jackson. If that is not painfully obvious than I don't know what is.

He is a music legend because of his music history. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I'm willing to acknowledge what he did for music.

[Geraint]

It's just a joke for god sake. If they're funny you laugh no matter how sick they are. Geez, some people. I'd even laugh if it was someone I liked because when things are funny you laugh. :rolleyes:

[Tintinnabulate]

make up your mind please, calling him a legend and a peado is disrespectful :eusa_naug

there is a diff between a peado and a "music legend".

[Caution]

I just read one saying "Die paedophile, die" or something like that. It's disgusting, but I suppose we're all brought up differently, the user that said that obviously has issues with himself. Anyway, I don't think he done most of the stuff he's been accused of, but it's my opinion. I could have the opinion that he did do it, and was a paedophile and if I did have that opinion I would want to be treated no differently because of it. You should be allowed a certain level of freedom of speech. I think staff saying it, especially high up staff is unacceptable though.

[AgnesIO]

ANYONE that does any of these:


Calls their kids "Michael Prince" and "Prince Michael"
Bleaches their skin - which led to cancer
Pays a girl for kids
Bleaches their skin, then sings a song saying skin colour doesn't matter.

Should die.

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Sorry but we can all have an opinion.

[HotelUser]

It's just a joke for god sake. If they're funny you laugh no matter how sick they are. Geez, some people. I'd even laugh if it was someone I liked because when things are funny you laugh. :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

Might be beneficial for you to learn about;).

[J0SH]

Are you a complete ******* moron? Of course he is a molester/paedo. WHY would an innocent man may his 'victims' families millions TO NOT TESTIFY?

I laughed at Jade Goodys jokes because she was a vile cow when alive and the same principle applies to Michael; Karma :)

Lol yeah he payed Macualy's parents millions didn't he?

I remember reading about that somewhere.

If you don't like reading the jokes, put us lot on your ignore list? It's only right us Sickipedians spread the word of love with our jokes, we find it funny, who cares if you don't. Hehe shamone.

It always feels like, somebodies watching me, and I've got no privacy when I rape kids, oh oh oh

[scott]

To the people saying blah blah staff shouldn't be doing this and that for all these reasons - staff are members aswelll follow the same rules, don't see why they should be singled out.

[Tintinnabulate]

Many people classed Saddam Hussein as a hero, not many of us cried when he went under

Err Saddam killed people, MJ didnt.
Also people did cry when Saddam died.

[leah]

Some people take serious situations and make jokes out of them because it's who they are. Some of the jokes are funny and have made me break out into hysteric laughter and others have just been terrible. I laugh at some because it's my sense of humour and some of them are quite funny, so i'm not going to refrain from laughing at them. He was an amazing talent, no one is taking that away from him, but he still did some pretty crazy things and those things warrant the jokes being told.

[Geraint]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality

Might be beneficial for you to learn about;).

I, and many others, couldn't give two *****.

[J0SH]

Err Saddam killed people, MJ didnt.
Also people did cry when Saddam died.

Jacko killed Macualy's confidence so he stopped acting, or he retired at an early age because of the millions/billions his parents earnt from not giving a statement :)

[Jordy]

ANYONE that does any of these:


Calls their kids "Michael Prince" and "Prince Michael"
Bleaches their skin - which led to cancer
Pays a girl for kids
Bleaches their skin, then sings a song saying skin colour doesn't matter.

Should die.

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Sorry but we can all have an opinion.Indeed but this thread isn't the place for discussing your opinions on him :P


Lol yeah he payed Macualy's parents millions didn't he?

I remember reading about that somewhere.

If you don't like reading the jokes, put us lot on your ignore list? It's only right us Sickipedians spread the word of love with our jokes, we find it funny, who cares if you don't. Hehe shamone.

It always feels like, somebodies watching me, and I've got no privacy when I rape kids, oh oh ohWe sickipedians? What an absolute joke, no where does Sickipedia suggest it's members 'spread the word of love with our jokes', that's something you've just made up to make it sound more reasonable and acceptable? Sickipedia is just a Wiki of jokes completely made up of user-generated content, the term Sickipedian is just a joking way to describe people who use the site, it's not actually a group of people like you make out. You're not down there with the "Sickipedians" because there's no such thing!


The judges, yes the people in the court, said afterwards that they think he is a molester, they just didn't have enough evidence to convict, and more importantly stand a re-trial.No evidence indeed, that's why you can't say that he 'definitely' is. The important word in your post if that they 'think' he is a molester not that he is.

Bare in mind that this topic is about the distasteful posts in general, there is indeed the jokes but some people saying 'DIE PAEDO DIE' is completely inappropriate in the context.

[buttons]

Jen the way you're twisting this and it's absolutely ridiculous.
ew you think peado's are legendary disgusting ;l;l

there is a diff between a peado and a "music legend".
well! that was my point :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:!!!!!!

I just read one saying "Die paedophile, die" or something like that. It's disgusting, but I suppose we're all brought up differently, the user that said that obviously has issues with himself. Anyway, I don't think he done most of the stuff he's been accused of, but it's my opinion. I could have the opinion that he did do it, and was a paedophile and if I did have that opinion I would want to be treated no differently because of it. You should be allowed a certain level of freedom of speech. I think staff saying it, especially high up staff is unacceptable though.
So, you think wishing death on any peadophile is disgusting? I think some people may deserve it but because Michael Jackson can sing and dance, we're not allowed to make jokes or disrespect him. You see a well known peado in the papers has just died, (let's face it, michael was more famous for his alleged child abusing and his 'skin disorder' than his music - even though he had great songs) i think the majority of us would think "good." It's just the same, Michael's rights do not make up for his wrongs + yeah some of you think he was accused wrongly but we'll never know then I guess, unless said children feel that they can come out now after all this and tell their stories, I don't know but whatever it is we can't do anything about it anymore. Staff are the same as all members and everything applies to them, they shouldn't have to act as something they're not and not pretend to find these jokes disgusting, they, along with the rest of us, are not directly offending the person the insults are aimed at and therefore shouldn't be punished.

[HotelUser]

I, and many others, couldn't give two *****.

-rep. Honestly, your post was probably the most immature post I have ever seen on Habbox Forum.

[Tintinnabulate]

And people saying "this is the happiest day of my life" ... seriously you are plain sick.

[Axed]

Originally Posted by Sammeth.
How many skin bleach companies will go bust now

Instant laugh in my case.

[Tintinnabulate]

well! that was my point !!!!!!

I meant you can be both. Sorry if I didnt explain my point clearly.

[buttons]

And people saying "this is the happiest day of my life" ... seriously you are plain sick.
i agree with this though, tbh i think that's a classic case of milking it and jumping on the bandwagon just to get a little ounce of respect from the others saying they don't care

I meant you can be both. Sorry if I didnt explain my point clearly.
not for me, maybe a great musician but never a legend. ever. :)

[Geraint]

-rep. Honestly, your post was probably the most immature post I have ever seen on Habbox Forum.

Oh no, please don't. Not my rep power. :'(


Ah, people not leaving names. I'm not sad enough to -rep someone seriously. Never have.

[Tintinnabulate]

i agree with this though, tbh i think that's a classic case of milking it and jumping on the bandwagon just to get a little ounce of respect from the others saying they don't care

not for me, maybe a great musician but never a legend. ever. :)

I agree, he wasnt a legend for everyone, but I am just saying people should have respect. Like I have said, people wont like others making fun of their loved ones if they died, so why make fun of MJ? He was a hero for many here and going and trashing that thread was going to start arguments, hxf staff should especially know this.


Oh no, please don't. Not my rep power. :'(

I would -rep you too but i have ran out for today.

[AgnesIO]

I got a rep telling me off for saying what I said, but they actually +repped me xD

[Geraint]

I agree, he wasnt a legend for everyone, but I am just saying people should have respect. Like I have said, people wont like others making fun of their loved ones if they died, so why make fun of MJ? He was a hero for many here and going and trashing that thread was going to start arguments, hxf staff should especially know this.



I would -rep you too but i have ran out for today.

Think I might kill myself. You better not laugh and make jokes though. :rolleyes:

I'd -rep you but you'd say I'm racist. Not that I do -rep as I have previously said.

[HotelUser]

Oh no, please don't. Not my rep power. :'(


Ah, people not leaving names. I'm not sad enough to -rep someone seriously. Never have.

No, you're just rude, insult dead people and act generally immature about a touchy situation.

Gosh I'm terrible for -repping you:(.

[Geraint]

No, you're just rude, insult dead people and act generally immature about a touchy situation.

Gosh I'm terrible for -repping you:(.

I don't care about him. His life doesn't affect mine. I have never cared about him. I'm not going to start caring now that he is dead. Most of this thread doesnt care anyway.

Yes, you are. You have ruined my life and my wrists.

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't care about him. His life doesn't affect mine. I have never cared about him. I'm not going to start caring now that he is dead. Most of this thread doesnt care anyway.

Yes, you are. You have ruined my life and my wrists.

Why keep posting then? I would rather we have a good discussion like we have been having, instead of have you come here and start posting total crap and get this thread closed.

[Geraint]

Why keep posting then? I would rather we have a good discussion like we have been having, instead of have you come here and start posting total crap and get this thread closed.

Ah yes, I've really changed the mood. Not as though anybody else in the thread has said bad things and argued.

[CHA!NGANG]

Not read it all, but your not gona stop it are you. All day in school there were jokes about him. I'm sure most people respect what his done and his talent but if people want to post jokes then thats upto them. Personally I don't like it but people have every right to do so.

[Frank459]

It is against the rules to be posting anything which may cause/provoke an arguement.

By posting a stupid, immature joke about the death of another in a thread which was used for fans to discuss him, WILL cause arguements.

Now, some of you say "I dont care, never have never will" Then why post in a thread dedicated to him, with some of your useless crap? This should count as posting pointlessly which is yet again against the rules.

Some of you need to get it into your thick skulls (including some of Habbox staff) that making fun of a dead person, is just immature. MJ changed the whole pop scene and without him, the world of music wouldnt be the same.


P.S: To that content designer (forgot your name) who posted, naming him a "peado", you are infact incorrect. He was found not guilty for the crimes he was on trial for - so use your head instead of your dirty mouth and give him the respect he DESERVES.

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not be rude to others.

[Tintinnabulate]

It is against the rules to be posting anything which may cause/provoke an arguement.

By posting a stupid, immature joke about the death of another in a thread which was used for fans to discuss him, WILL cause arguements.

Now, some of you say "I dont care, never have never will" Then why post in a thread dedicated to him, with some of your useless crap? This should count as posting pointlessly which is yet again against the rules.

Some of you need to get it into your thick skulls (including some of Habbox staff) that making fun of a dead person, is just immature. MJ changed the whole pop scene and without him, the world of music wouldnt be the same.


P.S: To that content designer (forgot your name) who posted, naming him a "peado", you are infact incorrect. He was found not guilty for the crimes he was on trial for - so use your head instead of your dirty mouth and give him the respect he DESERVES.

Very good post.
Time for mods to get into action then and start warning these users :) and for sierk to speak to Sammeth.

[Geraint]

It is against the rules to be posting anything which may cause/provoke an arguement.

By posting a stupid, immature joke about the death of another in a thread which was used for fans to discuss him, WILL cause arguements.

Now, some of you say "I dont care, never have never will" Then why post in a thread dedicated to him, with some of your useless crap? This should count as posting pointlessly which is yet again against the rules.

Some of you need to get it into your thick skulls (including some of Habbox staff) that making fun of a dead person, is just immature. MJ changed the whole pop scene and without him, the world of music wouldnt be the same.


P.S: To that content designer (forgot your name) who posted, naming him a "peado", you are infact incorrect. He was found not guilty for the crimes he was on trial for - so use your head instead of your dirty mouth and give him the respect he DESERVES.

It's funny seeing how much it winds people up.

[Sammeth.]

It is against the rules to be posting anything which may cause/provoke an arguement.
That rule is posting to intentionally cause an arguement. Im sure people who posted jokes were trying to have a laugh rather than purposely start an arguement.

[Tintinnabulate]

That rule is posting to intentionally cause an arguement. Im sure people who posted jokes were trying to have a laugh rather than purposely start an arguement.

Inital thread got closed. New thread was created but they carried on ...
To me that then seems intentional.

And it doesnt really say intentionally does it? Its because it assumes people are able to use their common sense.

[Frank459]

So posting in a thread full of MJ fans leaving their messages for others to read with a sick joke about the person in discussion isnt trying to intentionally cause an arguement? Thats why there is a joke thread (which IMO should be closed and deleted also) for those who think they are "funny" to post.

[17-jamie-17]

It is against the rules to be posting anything which may cause/provoke an arguement.

By posting a stupid, immature joke about the death of another in a thread which was used for fans to discuss him, WILL cause arguements.

Now, some of you say "I dont care, never have never will" Then why post in a thread dedicated to him, with some of your useless crap? This should count as posting pointlessly which is yet again against the rules.

Some of you need to get it into your thick skulls (including some of Habbox staff) that making fun of a dead person, is just immature. MJ changed the whole pop scene and without him, the world of music wouldnt be the same.


P.S: To that content designer (forgot your name) who posted, naming him a "peado", you are infact incorrect. He was found not guilty for the crimes he was on trial for - so use your head instead of your dirty mouth and give him the respect he DESERVES.



Finallly somebody talking from their mouth not there bottom

[buttons]

Make a "pay your tributes to Michael Jackson" thread then, anyone who doesn't post to pay their respects should be dealt with, the only other threads were "Michael Jackson has died" and nowhere does it say I have to/should pay my respects, that's why I kept out of the "RIP Michael Jackson" one

[Chippiewill]

Well, a member of staff created the new thread and it was quite obvious they weren't going to stop....

Perhaps make three threads....

MJ Jokes Thread
MJ Lovers only thread
and
Mixed MJ discussion thread...

[Sammeth.]

Inital thread got closed. New thread was created but they carried on ...
To me that then seems intentional.

And it doesnt really say intentionally does it? Its because it assumes people are able to use their common sense.
Well for the most part anyway, I'm speaking for myself here when I made jokes for humour rather than to cause arguments.

Thats what trolling is though, posting to cause arguements. Plus if the rule was "You can't post anything that MAY cause arguments" you would be very limited in what you could post. Anything MAY cause arguements. Its whether its intentional or not that makes the difference.


Make a "pay your tributes to Michael Jackson" thread then, anyone who doesn't post to pay their respects should be dealt with, the only other threads were "Michael Jackson has died" and nowhere does it say I have to/should pay my respects, that's why I kept out of the "RIP Michael Jackson" one

Thats very true.

[Tintinnabulate]

So I could start posting negavtive things / making fun of stuff everywhere and say it wasnt intentional and get away with it?

[Pyroka]

Finallly somebody talking from their mouth not there bottom

STOP BEING IMMATURE AND SAYING BOTTOMS LOL!11!!!111!!

Seriously though, it happened, theres gonna be a load of jokes on the internet because thats... the internet. >.> Now stop your whinging and whining because:

1. Asst Forum Manager said it's ok because theres no intention to cause arguments;

2. Nobody should feel deeply insulted over the internet, unless they really are... weird. People gotta learn, the internet does not care for your feelings and neither do I.

3. Not everyone on a forum will agree with your opinions, so stop ******** and whining about it when they don't agree.

SO.... NERRR!!!! My internet ego just got +5, eat it.


So I could start posting negavtive things / making fun of stuff everywhere and say it wasnt intentional and get away with it?

Well to start doing that would mean you had intention to, so you lose.

[Stefy09]

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[17-jamie-17]

STOP BEING IMMATURE AND SAYING BOTTOMS LOL!11!!!111!!

Seriously though, it happened, theres gonna be a load of jokes on the internet because thats... the internet. >.> Now stop your whinging and whining because:

1. Asst Forum Manager said it's ok because theres no intention to cause arguments;

2. Nobody should feel deeply insulted over the internet, unless they really are... weird. People gotta learn, the internet does not care for your feelings and neither do I.

3. Not everyone on a forum will agree with your opinions, so stop ******** and whining about it when they don't agree.

SO.... NERRR!!!! My internet ego just got +5, eat it.



Well to start doing that would mean you had intention to, so you lose.

You dont half talk some random ****Crap
Did you really need to post that ?

[xxMATTGxx]

Look, we are in the year 2009. These jokes were about to happen. It always happens to famous people who die. Yes many may find it offensive and find it sick and others don't really care. You can't always keep both sides happy. I do think that there should be two different threads. One who want to respect Michael Jackson and one where it can be filled with jokes. None of the current rules say that you cannot post the jokes. The only two rules that MAY come into it is when there's arguments kicking off or it is an actual pointless post. I also think that offesnive jokes should also be put inti a spoiler and a warning letting users know. So that users don't actually have to read the joke itself.

[17-jamie-17]

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[Tintinnabulate]

Well for the most part anyway, I'm speaking for myself here when I made jokes for humour rather than to cause arguments.

Thats what trolling is though, posting to cause arguements. Plus if the rule was "You can't post anything that MAY cause arguments" you would be very limited in what you could post. Anything MAY cause arguements. Its whether its intentional or not that makes the difference.



Thats very true.

And shouldnt people carrying on posting rude stuff about MJ in this thread be warned then? Its blatant they are doing it to cause arguments. And like I said, the thread was closed as people made jokes and it caused arguments . They carried on in the new thread, so to me that looks intentional.

[Stefy09]

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[Caution]

Doesnt get any less mature does it, i bet your parents are so proud to have a nobhead as there child

Harsh but true. I'd be gutted to have a child with that attitude.

[Frank459]

Well Ryan, the assistant forum manager seems wrong.

Posting a joke in a thread where MULTIPLE MJ fans were deeply saddened to hear the news of his death, then to read a joke YOU posted, would cause arguements because thats the way people react.

Threads were closed and deleted yet people STILL defied the moderators final action and created yet more threads to make fun of Michael. Then you have people wrongly suggesting that he is a peadophile when it seems that it was ruled "Not guilty" when in court.

So "nerr". My internet ego just boosted above 9000.
Your e-penis just shrank into the negatives.

[17-jamie-17]

Michael Jackson's officially brown bread...oh wait, no, white bread!

http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/brown_bread

You know when you read about like murderers and rapists in the papers? And you think they killed somebody they deserve to die. thats how i feel towards you. No you havent killed anybody, but when you get older your gunna be
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[Sammeth.]

And shouldnt people carrying on posting rude stuff about MJ in this thread be warned then? Its blatant they are doing it to cause arguments. And like I said, the thread was closed as people made jokes and it caused arguments . They carried on in the new thread, so to me that looks intentional.
Of course they should, and I'm sure they will as its clear they are troll posts. But, again speaking for myself, the only jokes I made were in a thread where the jokes started. When the thread was closed and a new one opened, I personally didn't carry on making jokes as that would be trolling. You're right there, but I'm still sticking by that the initial jokes weren't breaking any rules and were pefectly fine.

[Stefy09]

Doesnt get any less mature does it, i bet your parents are so proud to have a nobhead as there child


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[Stefy09]

You know when you read about like murderers and rapists in the papers? And you think they killed somebody they deserve to die. thats how i feel towards you. No you havent killed anybody, but when you get older your gunna be a worthless piece of ****


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[17-jamie-17]

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[Frank459]

This has already been summed up by Sammeth. People continuing to post jokes in this thread are just LOOKING for an arguement, not really trying to funny.

And Skadoosh, who said he wasnt worthless already?

[FlyingJesus]

Saying that these things can't be posted due to the possibility of starting an argument is pointless - any opinion or offhand comment can start an argument, and if you want to call people immature for making jokes then why can't these people be "mature" and ignore it?

[Stefy09]

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[xxMATTGxx]

Thread Reopened


- Keep to the actual discussion
- Do not troll/post to cause arguments/post jokes in this thread which will encourge other users to break the rules
- Find a post breaking the rules? Report it.

[17-jamie-17]

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[Chippiewill]

Nice to see stefy got cautioned :D

pfft, I would have overreacted and insta-banned him myself.. not my job though....

I would like to see an unavoidable announcement raising the issue of discussing his death....

[Sammeth.]

I don't think thats so necessary, from now I think people should just stick to putting jokes about him in a jokes thread (I think there has been one created now). That way people who don't want to read them don't have to.

[xxMATTGxx]

If members wish to post jokes regarding Michael Jackson. They can do so but in this thread here: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=587021 . I advice members to only post the jokes within that thread or the spam section. This so it doesn't offend any members who are great fans of him. I hope you can all co-operate.

[Jordy]

I'm not so sure, perhaps an Announcement would be appropriate? There certainly needs to be some change in the near future because I personally think the handling and clarification of this is rather diabolical and I'd be really disappointed if nothing was learnt from this.

[Lee]

Well punish the staff then :)
Make a rule from now, so anyone doing it from now will be punished? Even the staff ... :)
Staff are treated no different than members. They receive infractions and warnings and they can be fired then possibly banned. So, don't assume staff don't have rules to follow because they do, just like everybody else.

[Robbie]

Staff are treated no different than members. They receive infractions and warnings and they can be fired then possibly banned. So, don't assume staff don't have rules to follow because they do, just like everybody else.

Correct, and the only person allowed to deal with any post a member of staff makes is Bomb-Head, so if a post by a staff member is reported or spotted, we must PM him for him to deal with them, which can take a while.

Thats why it may sometimes look like staff posts aren't dealt with.

[shizzle]

Wow, after reading that, I was shocked by what some of the forum members have actually said. I didn't think it could be that bad, but it really is.

I think people should learn how to react properly towards someone's death, not as a joke, no matter who it was. Those people should surely receive a warning as a minimum?

To be honest the people who actually said negative things are just jealous of him. They don't really know the truth about him neither. They just take presumptions of what he is 'perceived' as. It is someone's death you're talking about, that isn't funny, what if you're friend, family or someone you know died? Imagine your close friend, family member or what ever did die, and they was 'gay' or a 'pedo', you will still fell said.

[Catzsy]

I'm not so sure, perhaps an Announcement would be appropriate? There certainly needs to be some change in the near future because I personally think the handling and clarification of this is rather diabolical and I'd be really disappointed if nothing was learnt from this.

One thing you have to remember, Jordy is that sometimes you cannot plan for
an event like this to happen and even more what effect it would have on the forum. The news had a huge mushroom effect between the for and against so to speak which hit many forums at once. It was a most unusual occurence . All the staff did what they could in the circumstances last night some until the early hours of the morning. It is very easy to criticise people in hindsight. Personally I cannot see the point of a huge debate on this. Nobody is ever going to agree on a course of action in this matter. Nothing was done last night that was against procedure and at 1/ 2am in the morning a course of action had to be taken to cool the situation down. That's what was done and it worked. End of story. The alternative could have ended in a lot of normally very well behaved members having infractions at the least and even a ban.

Perhaps you could say how you think it could have been handled better given
most unusual circumstances? :)

[buttons]

Wow, after reading that, I was shocked by what some of the forum members have actually said. I didn't think it could be that bad, but it really is.

I think people should learn how to react properly towards someone's death, not as a joke, no matter who it was. Those people should surely receive a warning as a minimum?

To be honest the people who actually said negative things are just jealous of him. They don't really know the truth about him neither. They just take presumptions of what he is 'perceived' as. It is someone's death you're talking about, that isn't funny, what if you're friend, family or someone you know died? Imagine your close friend, family member or what ever did die, and they was 'gay' or a 'pedo', you will still fell said.

Jealousy? That's ridiculous. All there is to it is some people like him and others don't, it's seriously that simple. I'm sure many of us don't need to imagine what it's like for a member of family or someone equally as close to pass away because it's happened to a lot of us, we'd obviously feel sad but some can deal with it in a different way. Making light of a situation is the best thing I think you could do, the rest of you are just hypocrites; "when your family dies I'll just laugh about it then will I?" It doesn't mean because someone laughs at anothers death (tbh, no-one was even laughing, it's just our sense of humour really) then their family deserved to be 'laughed' at too when they die, that would just make you as bad as the originals. No-one targetted MJ's family + the jokes were mainly about him, so anyone using the stupid "what if it was your family member" comeback should really get some logic. A warning, for having a laugh? Do you really think you'd get any sort of punishment in real? My maths teacher made some jokes about it, obviously not setting a good example but whatever, if people can deal with it like that then just let them, it's not as though we have anything to 'deal' with anyway because it's not as though we even knew him and as for the people who see him as their hero, they deal with it their own way by mourning. Everyone is different yet all members on here should be treated the same, that way no members nor staff should receive any punishment unless they continue to do it to provoke other members.

[Clowgon]

I haven't read everyone's post but to sum everyone up who said "so what" "Free speech" ect.

Your sick people. Your very sick. Would you like it if someone took the mick out of one of your family members who died?

Your are very narrow-minded people if you say he's a peadofile. You wasn't there when he was with those kids...

Look at the big picture a grown man playing with kids obvs there's something to exploit... No evidence he's abused no one.

Someone of you have shown your true colours... You have indeed.

My advice to everyone who made jokes. Get a grip.

Flame me, hate me. I couldn't care less.

Me personally if i was a forum manager and i seen someone making comments like that they would be banned straight away...

[buttons]

Look at the big picture a grown man playing with kids obvs there's something to exploit... No evidence he's abused no one.
What about hanging your baby over a balcony window infront of cameras, isn't that some level of abuse?

[HotelUser]

Here's a crazy thought, why not make a rule that says we can't make fun of dead people. It seems pretty obvious but apparently some people can't understand that when dealing with a touchy situation such as death, it's going to be very easy to offend someone else.
Different people have had different experiences with death here. I imagine a handful of users (especially some of the ones making the immature jokes) haven't really experienced a friend/family member or someone they idolize die, because HxF is mostly just teenagers. Therefore, when something like this happens some users don't know how to react, and they end up making childish jokes that upsets everyone else.




I don't care about him. His life doesn't affect mine. I have never cared about him. I'm not going to start caring now that he is dead. Most of this thread doesnt care anyway.

Yes, you are. You have ruined my life and my wrists.

Oh, so him not affecting your life gives you the right to make stupid jokes about him now that he's dead? I don't think his family would be impressed with you, at all. I'm kind of disappointed, I thought HxF users were better than that.

[Clowgon]

What about hanging your baby over a balcony window infront of cameras, isn't that some level of abuse?

No not really, i don't see that as some sort of abuse.

Tbh some of the staff on here are quite frankly immature... and can't handle situations properly.

If i had the power to sack and ban members. At least 10-15 staff would of gone and about 40-50 forum members would of been Ip banned.

Obviously Habbox would take much action as most of the ppl who would of got banned pay for habbox donation...

But the staff should lead an example and i don't think no one did last night or even today to try and calm the situation down, and stop these stupid comments going on.

Same goes to the forum members, there's no need to make jokes about a person who's died. Really shows how narrow-minded you are..

Let's hope he don't come and haunt you tonight...

[Catzsy]

No not really, i don't see that as some sort of abuse.

Tbh some of the staff on here are quite frankly immature... and can't handle situations properly.

If i had the power to sack and ban members. At least 10-15 staff would of gone and about 40-50 forum members would of been Ip banned.
Obviously Habbox would take much action as most of the ppl who would of got banned pay for habbox donation...

But the staff should lead an example and i don't think no one did last night or even today to try and calm the situation down, and stop these stupid comments going on.

Same goes to the forum members, there's no need to make jokes about a person who's died. Really shows how narrow-minded you are..

Let's hope he don't come and haunt you tonight...


I am not sure if there were that many on last night, Clowgon :P but I will say whether somebody is VIP/Donator or not does not even figure into the equation, ever on this forum. As I said nobody is going to agree on this. The situation was calmed down last night with a very sensible decision by Matt Garner but it is a double edged sword. Make a decision for either camp in this and you risk alienating the other half of the forum. It's a very emotive issue with no clear cut answer.

[Sammeth.]

Here's a crazy thought, why not make a rule that says we can't make fun of dead people. It seems pretty obvious but apparently some people can't understand that when dealing with a touchy situation such as death, it's going to be very easy to offend someone else.
Different people have had different experiences with death here. I imagine a handful of users (especially some of the ones making the immature jokes) haven't really experienced a friend/family member or someone they idolize die, because HxF is mostly just teenagers. Therefore, when something like this happens some users don't know how to react, and they end up making childish jokes that upsets everyone else.

Oh, so him not affecting your life gives you the right to make stupid jokes about him now that he's dead? I don't think his family would be impressed with you, at all. I'm kind of disappointed, I thought HxF users were better than that.

You'll never avoid jokes, there are jokes on every single subject matter so saying specific (clean) jokes can't be said is a bit over the top in my opinion.

To the bit in bold, I've lost someone incredibly close to me and I made "immature" jokes. Its not for you to say waht the right way to react to something is as people all have their own individual way of coping with certain things. The death of someone close to me is in no way comparable to the death of Michael Jackson.

[luce]

Who cares? If any other paedo died there would be celebrations

You really do need to open your eyes. was he EVER convicted with hard evidence of being a pedofile. what do you know about him, what the tabloids have told you. So know more then me i'm just not as niave(sp) as to believe it.

In all honesty Sammeth posting that is his opinion. i still don't think it's right but what ever you can't pick on him becuase he's AGM he should have a certain level of maturity as should all staff but he's not like immune to humor coz he's AGM lol

I didn't like MJ and don't care that he's dead makes no diffrence to my day to day life but i won't be going around making jibes over a dead man/

[buttons]

Here's a crazy thought, why not make a rule that says we can't make fun of dead people. It seems pretty obvious but apparently some people can't understand that when dealing with a touchy situation such as death, it's going to be very easy to offend someone else.
Different people have had different experiences with death here. I imagine a handful of users (especially some of the ones making the immature jokes) haven't really experienced a friend/family member or someone they idolize die, because HxF is mostly just teenagers. Therefore, when something like this happens some users don't know how to react, and they end up making childish jokes that upsets everyone else.





Oh, so him not affecting your life gives you the right to make stupid jokes about him now that he's dead? I don't think his family would be impressed with you, at all. I'm kind of disappointed, I thought HxF users were better than that.
Don't be so patronizing please, hxf users better than having a different humour? Seriously, what is so hard to understand? Everyone's different, get over it. You talk **** by the way, because we're teenagers (why do you refer to everyone as teenagers, aren't you one too? not that you tell your age) you think we can't deal with deaths 'properly' or have never experienced any??? That's ********, I have had a few people close to me die and this is the way I deal with it, make light of the situation as I've said before. There is no law or nothing about making fun of a dead person I would be really disappointed if staff ever made it into a rule.

No not really, i don't see that as some sort of abuse.

Tbh some of the staff on here are quite frankly immature... and can't handle situations properly.

If i had the power to sack and ban members. At least 10-15 staff would of gone and about 40-50 forum members would of been Ip banned.

Obviously Habbox would take much action as most of the ppl who would of got banned pay for habbox donation...

But the staff should lead an example and i don't think no one did last night or even today to try and calm the situation down, and stop these stupid comments going on.

Same goes to the forum members, there's no need to make jokes about a person who's died. Really shows how narrow-minded you are..

Let's hope he don't come and haunt you tonight...
:eusa_thin I think I handle things pretty well, that's why I can laugh and joke and not take things seriously which is better than can be said about many others, there is not a PROPER way to grieve there are just different ways. You can NOT ban/sack anyone for having different views and opinions, that's called corruption.

[Clowgon]

I am not sure if there were that many on last night, Clowgon :P but I will say whether somebody is VIP/Donator or not does not even figure into the equation, ever on this forum. As I said nobody is going to agree on this. The situation was calmed down last night with a very sensible decision by Matt Garner but it is a double edged sword. Make a decision for either camp in this and you risk alienating the other half of the forum. It's a very emotive issue with no clear cut answer.

As in staff? Maybe i went over the top a bit there but there was 50 members who was viewing the MJ thread last night and half of them was making sick jibes.

Habbox has a very small member community about 150 on average so obviously if they were to be a few bans, say 40-50 then obvs forum would be dead... Probs end up closing....

But i thought more could of been done, a reminded sent to everyone that Joke/jibes about dead people will not be tolerated and if more of these were to occur action will be taken.

Do staff even had regular meetings? Or do you just get on with job?





:eusa_thin I think I handle things pretty well, that's why I can laugh and joke and not take things seriously which is better than can be said about many others, there is not a PROPER way to grieve there are just different ways. You can NOT ban/sack anyone for having different views and opinions, that's called corruption.

How is ban/sacking a person/group of people who makes sick jibes about someone being corruptive? Say if i owned a really big website and i have a forum which brings in thousand's of members daily and a group of people made sick jokes about someone who had died and a large group of members complained and demanded action to be taken then obviously i would have to do something about.

This is no laughing matter when someone has died....

Tbh if i was Head of the forum/CEO or w.e a lot of members would be banned.... But i understand why Habbox hasn't taken much action... This isn't exactly a large forum that attracts large amount of people (Daily members) About 150 on average?

Anyway, if i was General Manager of this forum i would make this a much better and funner environment to be in. I HOPE YOUR LISTENING NVRSPK! :P I would also get the staff into place as their seems to be some sort of "i can do what i want" attuide on here. There's only 1-2 staff who i can say are really professional. Catzy being one of them.

[Jordy]

One thing you have to remember, Jordy is that sometimes you cannot plan for
an event like this to happen and even more what effect it would have on the forum. The news had a huge mushroom effect between the for and against so to speak which hit many forums at once. It was a most unusual occurence . All the staff did what they could in the circumstances last night some until the early hours of the morning. It is very easy to criticise people in hindsight. Personally I cannot see the point of a huge debate on this. Nobody is ever going to agree on a course of action in this matter. Nothing was done last night that was against procedure and at 1/ 2am in the morning a course of action had to be taken to cool the situation down. That's what was done and it worked. End of story. The alternative could have ended in a lot of normally very well behaved members having infractions at the least and even a ban.

Perhaps you could say how you think it could have been handled better given
most unusual circumstances? :)Indeed I totally agree about it being unexpected, what I was more referring to is a clarification about 'sick jokes', for the past couple of months they've gradually been building up in Current Affairs, I did foresee the build up getting to the stage where it would eventually get out of hand, upset people and cause arguments. I alerted lAscend about this when he was Forum Manager and the reply I got was

Ok im gonna discuss this with nvr and bomb-head to get some sort of crack donw on this sort of stuff. :)
Sorry for the delay of replying to thisI'm not sure whether this was discussed with the two and what the outcome was but there had been a build up and before this thread, the situation regarding sick jokes was very confused. It seems to of been clarified to an extent now it's 'recommended' they're in spoilers.

I think it does need to be discussed between the manager as it's clearly confused and there's a lot of views on this. Needless to say this thread has had over 150 replies and there's other threads with arguments in as well. People seem upset and it needs sorting, the forum needs clearly to announce it's views on sick jokes and what it intends on doing with them, it cannot continue like this.

[17-jamie-17]

There's only 1-2 staff who i can say are really professional. Catzy being one of them.

I have to agree though i think Robbie! And MattGarner are both quite professional

Somebody isnt -coff-

[Sammeth.]

I have to agree though i think Robbie! And MattGarner are both quite professional

Somebody isnt -coff-
Yeah that Leaahh., shes a one!

[Robbie]

I have to agree though i think Robbie! And MattGarner are both quite professional

Somebody isnt -coff-

Love you too :8

[Chippiewill]

Your sick people. Your very sick. Would you like it if someone took the mick out of one of your family members who died?

When my dad died I wanted to play 'Another one Bites the dust' at his funeral, honestly I couldn't care less



I imagine a handful of users (especially some of the ones making the immature jokes) haven't really experienced a friend/family member or someone they idolize die, because HxF is mostly just teenagers.Again, my Dad died and I still find the jokes funny, I think it's a shame that you have to take this so seriously...


Honestly, some people have to Joke about things, every on needs a good joke once in a while. When it's someone that you liked it seems harsh, however if it was Osama Bin Laden or similar then most of people against the jokes would be joking, most people are hypocritical about everything...

[Dan2nd]

I admit that when I met with my friends today we all exchanged a few Michael Jackson jokes... but that doesn't mean that I am disrespecting him.

Michael Jackson was never normal I mean would you have been normal if you had been a 'pop star' since childhood? But lets be honest if he was normal like all of the other one hit wonders out there would we know him as the king of pop?

I personally think jokes such as this should be expected since he has had such a 'strange' life.. I mean just because he has died doesn't mean I'm never going to watch scary movie 3 and 4 ever again.

Sure rumours will always be around, and sure people will always comment on how he had a lot of surgery but look at Elvis there was all of that stuff about his drug, drink and binge eating problems and he even died on the toilet.. people still make jokes about him but still we remember him as the legend he was and still is as I'm sure MJ will be remembered for many years to come.

[Plank]

I think the best solution is just to agree to disagree because I can't see this debate/argument going anywhere. The simplest solution is to just ignore (and maybe report) posts you find offensive and move on.

[PriceTags]

MJ jokes are easy. They always have been and that's why people are making fun. When Jade was dying, I was against all the jokes, but people carried on and people laughed. Nobody asked to ban those, so why should things change for Michael Jackson? Different people find different things funny and people shouldn't be banned for that. It's minor.

[UnDone]

No-one actually knows hes a pedo though do they I agree some things he did was sick but hes still the king of pop.

[HotelUser]

You'll never avoid jokes, there are jokes on every single subject matter so saying specific (clean) jokes can't be said is a bit over the top in my opinion. ]
We can avoid jokes on Habbox very easily. Just ban the rude jokes...

To the bit in bold, I've lost someone incredibly close to me and I made "immature" jokes. Its not for you to say waht the right way to react to something is as people all have their own individual way of coping with certain things. The death of someone close to me is in no way comparable to the death of Michael Jackson.
I'm not saying what's right and how to act when someone dies, I'm saying what's obviously inappropriate and immature to do when they die. I also didn't say you were close to Michael Jackson, obviously you wouldn't feel the same way about his death as you would regarding someone closer to you. But the same principle still applies, you can still show him some respect by not making rude jokes:).


Don't be so patronizing please, hxf users better than having a different humour? Seriously, what is so hard to understand? Everyone's different, get over it. You talk **** by the way, because we're teenagers (why do you refer to everyone as teenagers, aren't you one too? not that you tell your age) you think we can't deal with deaths 'properly' or have never experienced any??? That's ********, I have had a few people close to me die and this is the way I deal with it, make light of the situation as I've said before. There is no law or nothing about making fun of a dead person I would be really disappointed if staff ever made it into a rule.

:eusa_thin I think I handle things pretty well, that's why I can laugh and joke and not take things seriously which is better than can be said about many others, there is not a PROPER way to grieve there are just different ways. You can NOT ban/sack anyone for having different views and opinions, that's called corruption.

Oh in that case lets all start to rob stores and get into fights and laugh at everyone who is dead and not care about anyone. We can justify it as legitimate behavior by saying, "we're just teenagers".


When my dad died I wanted to play 'Another one Bites the dust' at his funeral, honestly I couldn't care less

Again, my Dad died and I still find the jokes funny, I think it's a shame that you have to take this so seriously...


Honestly, some people have to Joke about things, every on needs a good joke once in a while. When it's someone that you liked it seems harsh, however if it was Osama Bin Laden or similar then most of people against the jokes would be joking, most people are hypocritical about everything...

If the jokes were in good humor then that's different. However, the "jokes" I saw were not something I could see Michael's family laughing at...

[Clowgon]

Just leave things how it is...

There's no point in getting into arguments about it..... All i am saying is there should be tougher sanctions on people who make sick jokes like that about dead people.

EDIT: PriceTags i could recall people complaining about the sick Jibes that were aimed at Jade, not many were complaining about Jade compare to now but there was a good few who complained...

[Robbie]

Not really, it's your choice whether to look at the jokes, the new spoiler rule is in place and different people are offended by different things so it wouldn't be practical.

[Sammeth.]

We can avoid jokes on Habbox very easily. Just ban the rude jokes...

I would constitute a rude joke as one that conatins swearing or inappropriate contnet like grotesque sexual references.

I'm not saying what's right and how to act when someone dies, I'm saying what's obviously inappropriate and immature to do when they die. I also didn't say you were close to Michael Jackson, obviously you wouldn't feel the same way about his death as you would regarding someone closer to you. But the same principle still applies, you can still show him some respect by not making rude jokes:).

Just because you deem it immature though doesn't mean people can't do it. If this forum was ran how you want it ran it would be like a prison. I never once suggested you said I was close to Michael Jackson, so thats out the blue. Some people find it funny, some people don't. Thats it at the end of the day. Its not harming you personally or anyone who reads them. They just might get a bit aggrevated. If we spend our entire days focusing on the negatives it drags you down, and thats exacatly why I don't do that. It may mean I don't take things seriously but at the end of the day I don't care. I'm not changing who I am just because a few people online consider it to be immature. Accept people for having a different sense of humour to you. Compared to everything bad in this world this is absolutely nothing.

The other day nvrspk4 had to take down child pornography that had been uploaded to UploadPicz, and I'm having to check constantly to make sure the same doesn't happen again. That is the sort of thing I find sick - things that are actually harmful, things that are breaking the law and things that are actually harming peoples lives. A joke about a pop star to me is just such a trivial thing to get upset about.

[Callum.]

No not really, i don't see that as some sort of abuse.

Tbh some of the staff on here are quite frankly immature... and can't handle situations properly.

If i had the power to sack and ban members. At least 10-15 staff would of gone and about 40-50 forum members would of been Ip banned.

Obviously Habbox would take much action as most of the ppl who would of got banned pay for habbox donation...

But the staff should lead an example and i don't think no one did last night or even today to try and calm the situation down, and stop these stupid comments going on.

Same goes to the forum members, there's no need to make jokes about a person who's died. Really shows how narrow-minded you are..

Let's hope he don't come and haunt you tonight...

lol joker.

i saw a post by sammeth and then loads following like "agm posting sick jokes". so when everyone was post goody jokes it was fine?

atleast he didn't die painfully!!!! :eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_danc

[PriceTags]

Just leave things how it is...

There's no point in getting into arguments about it..... All i am saying is there should be tougher sanctions on people who make sick jokes like that about dead people.

EDIT: PriceTags i could recall people complaining about the sick Jibes that were aimed at Jade, not many were complaining about Jade compare to now but there was a good few who complained...

I know people complained about the Jade jokes, because they angered me, and so do these Michael Jackson ones, but if people were banned for making the jokes, there would barely be a community left. He's an easy target and now he's an even easier target. I've chosen to avoid the Michael Jackson threads, and I think that's the best thing for it.

[dogboy123]

Personally, I think its wrong. Like I wouldnt make a joke about someones mum who died, so I dont think its right to make any joke about it.

Then again, it;s bound to happen and there's no point getting annoyed and frustrated about it. Ignore what they say if you dont want to hear it.

[Catzsy]

Indeed I totally agree about it being unexpected, what I was more referring to is a clarification about 'sick jokes', for the past couple of months they've gradually been building up in Current Affairs, I did foresee the build up getting to the stage where it would eventually get out of hand, upset people and cause arguments. I alerted lAscend about this when he was Forum Manager and the reply I got was
I'm not sure whether this was discussed with the two and what the outcome was but there had been a build up and before this thread, the situation regarding sick jokes was very confused. It seems to of been clarified to an extent now it's 'recommended' they're in spoilers.

I think it does need to be discussed between the manager as it's clearly confused and there's a lot of views on this. Needless to say this thread has had over 150 replies and there's other threads with arguments in as well. People seem upset and it needs sorting, the forum needs clearly to announce it's views on sick jokes and what it intends on doing with them, it cannot continue like this.


Well the joke & spam forum are one thing but if people are just posting jokes in a serious thread in the Current Affairs forum then I feel that it is really a case of pointless posting as justing posting a joke does not contribute anything positive to the subject of the thread and should be reported & dealt with by an Smod. That's my take on it although I stand to be corrected. As far as the allowing the 'sick jokes' that is really not within my remit. Thanks for the very constructive reply. :)

[Mrs.McCall]

I'll admit I haven't read all these pages so to excuse any repeating of comments but I personally have found these jokes hilarious. I was infracted once for a Steve Irwin joke I posted and to be honest it depends on your humour.

I have a sick sense of humour, I like verging on the inappropriate and trying to find 'the line'. It's who I am. The moderators are keeping an eye on arguments but what I'd suggest is those who don't want to read MJ jokes don't go into an MJ Jokes thread and start arguing.

I don't think people should put down other people's humour because we're all different here, some people like one thing, some like the other. I don't see a need to argue but just stick to your side.

I think the anger at Sammeth. is unjustified as yes, he's an AGM but he's still allowed a laugh! Yes, he perhaps shouldn't of posted in a closed thread but he didn't realise it was closed and to be quite honest, he's a very good AGM so I think people should stop using him as the poster boy for anti-MJ jokes.

[Clowgon]

lol joker.

i saw a post by sammeth and then loads following like "agm posting sick jokes". so when everyone was post goody jokes it was fine?

atleast he didn't die painfully!!!! :eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_danc:eusa_danc

Seriously i would..... I would tell them all to come on to habbo. Make them all sit around a nordic table get some majestic chairs and fire them on the spot!

Lol, maybe Sammeth had a moment of madness but i shall be expecting an apology from him via PM.


I know people complained about the Jade jokes, because they angered me, and so do these Michael Jackson ones, but if people were banned for making the jokes, there would barely be a community left. He's an easy target and now he's an even easier target. I've chosen to avoid the Michael Jackson threads, and I think that's the best thing for it.

Ye, i totally agree with you there. Think i will be avoiding any threads that relate to Micheal Jackson because it really does anger me when i see people, 13 upwards acting like this....

[Awfy]

Thing is throughout this thread there are people who are saying it's sick telling these jokes but they would be joining in on the joke if he wasn't dead. Just because he is now dead doesn't mean the jokes must stop. There are jokes still being told to this day about Elvis dying on the toilet, it even features in an Eminem music video. That doesn't mean it's disrespectful, just like paparazzi going to celebrities houses isn't either - IT'S ALL PART OF THE JOB.

I personally love Michael and think he is the best thing that has happened to music, have said it for a long time and have online posts to prove this fact. It's the people who will change their minds as soon as someone is dieing or dead. They are still the same person like it or not. I myself would have cracked out a Michael joke when he was alive and will continue to do so as he put himself up for the life he had and it's going to be publicly documented for the rest of time.

I personally believe that Michael never committed the acts he supposedly done and the jury had the same opinion. I believe the reason for his weird obsession with children is because he didn't have a childhood due to being in showbiz from such as young age. To me it was just him trying to reclaim it by being around children, I still believe he didn't have a malicious mission to carry out with the children. It could be classed as a mental illness just like a lot of people with serious cases of dyslexia can't understand racism. Doesn't mean they are racists, it's something their mental capacity can't maintain and store. Which leads me to the factor of I can't see him having the mental capacity to commit a sexual act on a youngster.

Still the jokes will go on and I'm not going to disagree with them just because he's dead, he's a celebrity and that's the raw end of the dealio.

[Callum.]

Seriously i would..... I would tell them all to come on to habbo. Make them all sit around a nordic table get some majestic chairs and fire them on the spot!

Lol, maybe Sammeth had a moment of madness but i shall be expecting an apology from him via PM.



Ye, i totally agree with you there. Think i will be avoiding any threads that relate to Micheal Jackson because it really does anger me when i see people, 13 upwards acting like this....

appology for what? he did nothing wrong.

yeh, please avoid them, we don't want another suicdal teen.

[Pyroka]

You dont half talk some random ****Crap
Did you really need to post that ?

Sorry to dig this up from the bottom of the thread, I went out.

But yes, I did. :)

[Clowgon]

appology for what? he did nothing wrong.

yeh, please avoid them, we don't want another suicdal teen.

He made comments which could be seen as offensive... But i was joking... Tbh i would be fuming if i was a family member of the Jacksons
and i came on and i seen comments like that...

Will do. :)

[Japan]

Leave sammeth alone, he wasn't the only one and he's only getting picked on because hes AGM. I personally thought the plastic bag joke was very funny (pat on the back for whoever posted it).
Everyone's humour is different and if you see something you don't like, look at something else.

[Callum.]

He made comments which could be seen as offensive... But i was joking... Tbh i would be fuming if i was a family member of the Jacksons
and i came on and i seen comments like that...

Will do. :)

i don't want to see another post in an mj thread. it will probs be best for you.

but you're not a family member are you? did you ever see him? actually appriciate when he was alive? nooooooo

[Pyroka]

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=587233

This post, end of thread please.

[Tintinnabulate]

Right, I would like to thank Matt for re-opening the thread and dealing with the spammers.

Secondly, I agree, there is not much point in continuing this discussion now as we will never agree on the same thing.

However, I think a new rule should be made that if people wish to make fun of the dead, it should be in the jokes forum or the spam forum only and not in the "xyz has died" thread.

I think thats the best way and will keep everyone happy. That way people who dont want to read it dont have to.

Staffs reply on this idea would be appreciated :)

[Chippiewill]

Well thought out message Nvr :D...

[Blue]

So the Habbox policy on this situation will be as follows. The only situations in which Michael Jackson related jokes will be punished is in situations that are obvious trolling. Threads made to pay respects to or mourn the death of Michael Jackson are obviously not places for Michael Jackson jokes. However, it's not acceptable to stretch the definition of this rule and begin posting jokes in the middle of unrelated threads, ie a discussion of the new Harry Potter movie. This is also obvious trolling and will be dealt with appropriately as will any situation we judge that the post was made in an effort to troll. Apart from that, Michael Jackson jokes will be allowed.

Saurav >

[Callum.]

nice post nvr, wanted to see an mj joke though

[FlyingJesus]

I think thats the best way and will keep everyone happy. That way people who dont want to read it dont have to.

That's suggesting that people making jokes don't want to read the thread, which is in at least one case certainly untrue

[Tintinnabulate]

Post your opinion but not jokes is what I meant. Keep jokes to a totally seperate thread.

[Kardan]

I think that the jokes are quite distasteful, but as people say they have freedom of speech.

I don't think the jokes or distasteful comments should be allowed in the main thread where we don't have a choice in seeing them, but if they're in the jokes forum and clearly show that that thread has a bunch of silly comments, then that's fine in my eyes.

[Chippiewill]

Although a warning if they are going to involve a certain little girl may be nice anyway... (Maddy McCann was involved in one joke in that thread, naming the child makes it really horrible)

[Jordy]

Thanks for the clarification Nvrspk, was useful. However it didn't mention showing a general discontent towards his death like 'haha he's died' which isn't a joke but would this be under trolling, inappropriate etc or is this an 'opinion'?

[-:Undertaker:-]

I support the decision Habbox has taken fully, it is a forum and people should be allowed to say what they want, provided its in the right thread/topic. The whole point of a forum is to discuss/debate opinion.

[Yonder]

Nice post nvr, though i hate force threads -.-'

[Chippiewill]

Nice post nvr, though i hate force threads -.-'

Odd, I luv em

EXCEPT when I am editing a post which has only a minute before I can't edit it, then it is VERY annoying...

[nvrspk4]

Thanks for the clarification Nvrspk, was useful. However it didn't mention showing a general discontent towards his death like 'haha he's died' which isn't a joke but would this be under trolling, inappropriate etc or is this an 'opinion'?

Honestly its a case by case basis. For example, when Saddam Hussein died people posted "good riddance".

Some people believe that you should never wish death upon a person, to some degree even I do but I believe that in some cases the penalty of death is appropriate.

Others believe that some people should be killed and the world would be better off without them. Going back to the point I made in the thread, its not our place to decide for people what their moral value should be, except when it involves hate against other members of the forum (for example, we do not allow homophobia or racism).

Some people believe that Michael Jackson was a child molestor, and regardless of whether the courts acquit him or not, they are entitled to that opinion. And if they are the type that believe that some people deserve death, I suppose they are entitled to that opinion.

To put it in a more socially acceptable frame, the idea of killing babies through abortion antagonizes some people to the point of tears and really upsets them. However I would never edit a post where someone suggests abortion when someone was raped for example (obviously there are situations where abortion are offensive, ie: your parents should have picked abortion).

Long story short, I'm sure there will be exceptions where people go overboard but in general I think it will be allowed.



Yonder > Sorry, I thought it was necessary so everyone saw it :P But thanks :)

[FlyingJesus]

Honestly Some people believe your parents should have picked abortion Yonder

omg reported

[leah]

omg reported
LMAO at that
and there are no rules against Michael Jackson jokes so everyone should just chill.

[xxMATTGxx]

LMAO at that
and there are no rules against Michael Jackson jokes so everyone should just chill.

Your a bit late saying that, that was discussed in the many pages of this thread. :P

[Clowgon]

i don't want to see another post in an mj thread. it will probs be best for you.

but you're not a family member are you? did you ever see him? actually appriciate when he was alive? nooooooo

Answer to your Questions.

No.
No.
Yes - I appreciated his music. He changed the world of music. ;)




Some people believe that Michael Jackson was a child molestor, and regardless of whether the courts acquit him or not, they are entitled to that opinion. And if they are the type that believe that some people deserve death, I suppose they are entitled to that opinion.



I agree with you here but seeing as this is actually a forum based for teenagers i thought people would have a bit more sense and see the big picture regarding MJ and the child molester allegations that have been bought against him..

When having a debate about this yes, people are entitled to their opinions but you shouldn't be narrow minded when the subject is bought up. No one on here knows for a fact that Micheal is guilty of any wrong doing. RE: Child molesting...

I think most ppl are just brainwashed by the media who make stories about him.

I can see how people may think he is was child molester as he was a grown man and he had kids around him all the time - He missed out on a child hood so he was living a boy-man hood life...

It just annoys me when people say he is a child molester when there's no evidence to prove he was one.

But hey, what can i say, everyone is entitled to their "opinions" :)

[nvrspk4]

I agree with you here but seeing as this is actually a forum based for teenagers i thought people would have a bit more sense and see the big picture regarding MJ and the child molester allegations that have been bought against him..

When having a debate about this yes, people are entitled to their opinions but you shouldn't be narrow minded when the subject is bought up. No one on here knows for a fact that Micheal is guilty of any wrong doing. RE: Child molesting...

I think most ppl are just brainwashed by the media who make stories about him.

I can see how people may think he is was child molester as he was a grown man and he had kids around him all the time - He missed out on a child hood so he was living a boy-man hood life...

It just annoys me when people say he is a child molester when there's no evidence to prove he was one.

But hey, what can i say, everyone is entitled to their "opinions" :)

I agree with you completely on the point of it not being entirely proven. Me personally, I think its still possible and my opinion of him is slightly skewed due to other, proven incidents. For example, I think putting a towel over a baby's head and holding it out over a balcony was strange at best, and I think that bleaching his skin (although it was supposedly due to his skin blotching) was a strange thing to do.

That being said, just because I have these opinions does not make anyone else's opinions against the rules. I can try and convince people from thinking otherwise, but I can't make it against the rules for them to do so. I can make it against the rules for them to do it publically if its hateful towards other members (racism, homophobia, etc.) but even then I can't stop them from thinking it without a rational argument, and even then sometimes no. Otherwise this really would be a dictatorial forum :P

[ihatehash]

I think that people should just rest the MJ jokes for a week or so, and then after everyone is over it, let the jokes fly.

also somebody on this forum may of actually had a close relationship with MJ, who knows.

[//Tom]

At the end of the day I highly doubt anyone on the forum is in what way is/was related to Michael Jackson so I don't really think any of you should be taken to offence by the jokes. If you don't like them don't read them.

Thats my view of it anyway.

[nvrspk4]

I think that people should just rest the MJ jokes for a week or so, and then after everyone is over it, let the jokes fly.

also somebody on this forum may of actually had a close relationship with MJ, who knows.

On top of what Tom said, this isn't the first MJ joke to hit the forum so I'm sure if they've put up with it for that long they will be ok, or take a break. Its a big world out there and they're likely to run across MJ jokes in more places than just here.