Who is going to TomorrowsWeb conference?

[Flisker]

I was just wondering if I should sign up to go since it's in London and I'm like 30/1 hour away from it.

www.tomorrowswebconf.com is the URL

So who is going so if I do go I won't just stand around like a idiot :P?

[Fehm]

When did they redesign the layout?
I don't think i'll be going. Not really thought about it :P

[Awfy]

I'll be going obviously since I'm speaking at it.

[e5]

How can you go to a web conference?

[Flisker]

How can you go to a web conference?

The Tomorrows Web Conference is a one-day gathering in Central London to discuss and learn about the future of the Internet and Technology industry.
from the website

[Judge Judy]

How can you go to a web conference?

It's called TommorowsWeb not Tommorow's web conference. Anyway you can have multiple chats on an IM and that's a conference.

To answer the original question no I am not going - bit busy and well away from London :P

[Recursion]

It looks really good actually, I would go but it means getting a train to London or hitching a car ride (around 30 mins by train, 1 hour+ by car).

LOL. Invent and Awfy are speakers! WIN!

[GoldenMerc]

I was strongly consider going but im at a wedding of my familys :(
if only it changed dates :P

[Invent]

I'm going :)

[Johno]

I've got my name down for going but not totally sure if I am going to be able to make it, considering its a huge journey down and back.

[Kyle!]

It looks really good actually, I would go but it means getting a train to London or hitching a car ride (around 30 mins by train, 1 hour+ by car).

LOL. Invent and Awfy are speakers! WIN!

What's so bad about a 30 min train ride? Some people are coming from Scotland. :P

[Turbocom]

Unless someone can pay my plane ticket - no.

[Flisker]

Just heard that I have a BBQ on that exact day lol. Typical.

[J0SH]

I'm not going even though I'm really close :P

[cocaine]

central landannnn
quite close to me but nahh

'discuss and learn about the future of the Internet and Technology industry.' how can they learn about the future of the internet? :P

[J0SH]

That's what I thought, unless they're going to discuss about how ISP MB's etc are increasing and such.

[Chippiewill]

Going :)

[Agnostic Bear]

Not going after I realised it's nothing but a bunch of chumps with no real web experience going to talk about how they think they can perk the internet up with their wacky ideas.

They can't so it will be pointless going.

[Invent]

Not going after I realised it's nothing but a bunch of chumps with no real web experience going to talk about how they think they can perk the internet up with their wacky ideas.

They can't so it will be pointless going.

That post shows that you don't know anything about the conference.

[Fehm]

I don't see what you can talk about though :S

I cant thing of anything that may be remotely interesting...
It'll just be a bunch of up-town s**** wanting to show off their amazing websites and get a bit of publicity for themselves.

Would be nice to know about the topics of what's going to be discussed :/

[Invent]

I don't see what you can talk about though :S

I cant thing of anything that may be remotely interesting...
It'll just be a bunch of up-town s**** wanting to show off their amazing websites and get a bit of publicity for themselves.

Would be nice to know about the topics of what's going to be discussed :/

I don't think anyone is going to plug their website but to offer advice and to just talk on an interesting subject. The speakers/panelists that are going have alraedy made a name for themselves in the industry, whether it be through developing websites, showing entrepreneurial qualities or something else. The speakers will simply be offering their views on the web and some advice on how to get started in the industry.

The organisers (Grant & Rob) knows what people are talking about and so they may post it on the website soon, I don't know.

[Source]

I can't believe you just said that iApps. You were the one that in one of your threads said you don't care if you loose money, because it was the governments... not yours - that seems pretty snobby to me.

The conference isn't just about people talking about so called "useless topics" but a chance to get to socialize with other people in the same mindset as you... roughly the same age as well.

http://tomorrowswebconf.com/schedule

That gives you a rough idea about the topics, surely?

[AgnesIO]

What's so bad about a 30 min train ride? Some people are coming from Scotland. :P

Those people have no lives :P


Not going after I realised it's nothing but a bunch of chumps with no real web experience going to talk about how they think they can perk the internet up with their wacky ideas.

They can't so it will be pointless going.


Yeh and it would be so much more interesting if such a, oh wait, you are just like them.

[Invent]

Did anyone from here actually go in the end? :P Was a pretty cool conference. Especially since I got to pitch my business to Jason Bradbury, Milo Yiannopoulos and Hermione Way :P

[Recursion]

No, but as you know I was Ustreaming.. Got CharlieIsSoCoolLike to answer three of my questions :P

Invent, I heard you might be organizing your own web conference?

[Invent]

No, but as you know I was Ustreaming.. Got CharlieIsSoCoolLike to answer three of my questions :P

Invent, I heard you might be organizing your own web conference?

Ah cool :P

Yeah, looking in to it at the moment :)

[Chippiewill]

Was going to go but the trains went on strike and all :( .

If Invent makes a conference then I may go to that instead :D

[Invent]

Was going to go but the trains went on strike and all :( .

If Invent makes a conference then I may go to that instead :D

Yeah, there were quite a few transport issues today :(

[Recursion]

I have full permission to go to these whenever the hell I want now, so ill be sure to go to yours if you do one and I can make it :P

[Chippiewill]

Someone should build a skypeasaurus and a run a conference from that

Edit: http://leoville.com/the-skypesaurus-story

[Agnostic Bear]

I didn't go, I decided to have a coffee and a sandwich instead, much more interesting :)

[Recursion]

I didn't go, I decided to have a coffee and a sandwich instead, much more interesting :)

You're signature is spelt incorrectly. "Mildly" please.

[Invent]

I didn't go, I decided to have a coffee and a sandwich instead, much more interesting :)

What an interesting life you lead.

[Chippiewill]

I didn't go, I decided to have a coffee and a sandwich instead, much more interesting :)

You technically just offended Simon because he spoke at the conference and your statement says you think he is uninteresting :D.

[Recursion]

You technically just offended Simon because he spoke at the conference and your statement says you think he is uninteresting :D.

-FACEPALM-.

[Chippiewill]

-FACEPALM-.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/245-0720210603-DoubleFacePalm.jpg

[Caution]

You technically just offended Simon because he spoke at the conference and your statement says you think he is uninteresting :D.
Well done, you're observant.
+No (on topic)

[timROGERS]

I would have been there but I was on holiday. Hopefully I'll end up working with Simon on his concert idea (as I have a reasonable venue) or alternatively maybe I will end up with my own one.

[GoldenMerc]

did anyone record the conference ?

[cocaine]

You're signature is spelt incorrectly. "Mildly" please.

dont try and correct peoples spelling when your own grammar is incorrect

[MrPinkPanther]

I didn't go because I completely forgot about it but I'm with Jew Bear on this one. They can't predict the future. If anyone thought they knew what the next big website would be then they would have already set a similar one up. It's not really like you can teach entrepreneurialism either.

[Excellent2]

I didn't go because they left announcing the venue too late, which made my train tickets bump up in price.

The conference wasn't about predicting the future websites. The conference was about hearing/sharing different views on the movement of social media and new media. All of the speakers were young and experienced.

Jew, your comments are feeble.

[Invent]

I didn't go because they left announcing the venue too late, which made my train tickets bump up in price.

The conference wasn't about predicting the future websites. The conference was about hearing/sharing different views on the movement of social media and new media. All of the speakers were young and experienced.

Jew, your comments are feeble.

Bingo. The conference was meant to inspire young developers and entrepreneurs to create the "next big thing" (through helpful/useful tips given by experienced developers/entrepreneurs).

[Excellent2]

Bingo. The conference was meant to inspire young developers and entrepreneurs to create the "next big thing" (through helpful/useful tips given by experienced developers/entrepreneurs).People like Jew just can't accept that there are better people than him.

[Recursion]

dont try and correct peoples spelling when your own grammar is incorrect

Ahh crap. *Your

[Skajo]

Bingo. The conference was meant to inspire young developers and entrepreneurs to create the "next big thing" (through helpful/useful tips given by experienced developers/entrepreneurs).
Experienced developers that worked on such successful projects as Youmeo? Please.

Give me TB-L and I'd be there every day.

[Excellent2]

Experienced developers that worked on such successful projects as Youmeo? Please.

Give me TB-L and I'd be there every day.http://www.tomorrowswebconf.com/speakers - Take a look at that page. All of those will have more money than you ever will.

[Wootzeh]

You're signature is spelt incorrectly. "Mildly" please.
-FACEPALM-

[Source]

http://www.tomorrowswebconf.com/speakers - Take a look at that page. All of those will have more money than you ever will.

He may be an idiot, but there is no need to be "All of those will have more money than you ever will." that's just an immature argument. Cool it down...

[Invent]

Experienced developers that worked on such successful projects as Youmeo? Please.

Give me TB-L and I'd be there every day.

Exactly, yes :) Like it or not, Youmeo had a large user base and has been featured in several news papers/big blogs/etc. Oh and there was of course several other people speaking such as Jon Wheatley, Nick Bell, Alex Tew, Anna Debenham and Nick Pellant. If you think they aren't experienced or not worth listening to then you have a lot to learn.

[Flisker]

I wish I did go but I had a family BBQ that day and could not make it unfortunately :(

[GoldenMerc]

did anyone record it?

[Skajo]

Exactly, yes :) Like it or not, Youmeo had a large user base and has been featured in several news papers/big blogs/etc. Oh and there was of course several other people speaking such as Jon Wheatley, Nick Bell, Alex Tew, Anna Debenham and Nick Pellant. If you think they aren't experienced or not worth listening to then you have a lot to learn.
And then there's you. No hatred intended Simon because as you should know, I've admired you and Greg for a long time but it seems you've taken Greg's pedestal and are sharing it with him. Those people are all fine and well but someone who hasn't earned a great deal, hasn't got a fantastic portfolio having being made redundant from a stale website that was closed for the best part of 4 months overall isn't worth listening to. I'm sorry but you're not even old enough to legally have a drink at the pub (WITHOUT A MEAL BEFORE SOME STAIN TRIES TO BE CLEVER). Give it 3/4 years when you've established yourself to the standards of those people and I will come and visit one of your conferences. I think, now though, you're ahead of yourself - and not in a good way.

[Invent]

And then there's you. No hatred intended Simon because as you should know, I've admired you and Greg for a long time but it seems you've taken Greg's pedestal and are sharing it with him. Those people are all fine and well but someone who hasn't earned a great deal, hasn't got a fantastic portfolio having being made redundant from a stale website that was closed for the best part of 4 months overall isn't worth listening to. I'm sorry but you're not even old enough to legally have a drink at the pub (WITHOUT A MEAL BEFORE SOME STAIN TRIES TO BE CLEVER). Give it 3/4 years when you've established yourself to the standards of those people and I will come and visit one of your conferences. I think, now though, you're ahead of yourself - and not in a good way.

Hasn't earned a great deal? I've managed to start a company with a friend and earn investment? How is that not good for a 17 year old? No offence, but I'd like to see you pitch a business of your own (at 17) to people and actually make them listen enough for them to offer you a cash investment in your business. Also, I was offered a job at Inormas (the new name for Youmeo's business, etc) which I rejected to start my own business. What bloody difference does being able to buy a drink make? That's the most stupid comment I've ever seen regarding this conference, congratulations Adam. There's a lot more going on in my life that I don't post on here that Grant & Rob know about. I deserved my place at that conference as much as anyone else :)

[Blob]

Exactly, yes :) Like it or not, Youmeo had a large user base and has been featured in several news papers/big blogs/etc. Oh and there was of course several other people speaking such as Jon Wheatley, Nick Bell, Alex Tew, Anna Debenham and Nick Pellant. If you think they aren't experienced or not worth listening to then you have a lot to learn.

I swear youmeo is permantly on beta? Or it can have errors.




Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]: Cannot find save handler 'memcache' - session startup failed in /var/www/html/www.youmeo.com/includes/core.class.php on line 3

Fatal error: Class 'Memcache' not found in /var/www/html/www.youmeo.com/includes/memcache.class.php on line 3

[Invent]

I swear youmeo is permantly on beta? Or it can have errors.

I left Youmeo in May to pursue my own business venture. You'd have to contact Calum for info regarding it's beta - I have no idea what's happening there at the moment.

[Skajo]

Hasn't earned a great deal? I've managed to start a company with a friend and earn investment? How is that not good for a 17 year old? No offence, but I'd like to see you pitch a business of your own (at 17) to people and actually make them listen enough for them to offer you a cash investment in your business. Also, I was offered a job at Inormas (the new name for Youmeo's business, etc) which I rejected to start my own business. What bloody difference does being able to buy a drink make? That's the most stupid comment I've ever seen regarding this conference, congratulations Adam. There's a lot more going on in my life that I don't post on here that Grant & Rob know about. I deserved my place at that conference as much as anyone else :)


There's a difference between investment and money earned.
I probably could pitch a business of my own - the fact is the internet is a business where it's a matter of not necessarily what you know; it's who you know and unfortunately enough, I never had the luck you had with Mr.Brannan nor will I, which is why I gave up.
I admire you for turning down a salary to start your own 'business' but the problem is, you and Greg start on one thing then go on to another thing without finishing or establishing the first project. All ideas are fantastic. That's about it though.
It was a fact to show that you are young, still have a lot to learn - more experienced heads are out there to yours and would benefit to audience at the conference moreso than yours.
Fantastic. Well done. Until I see it I can't comment on it so you can't expect any positive reviews from me or other people as we can only go on what we know - it's not our fault if you don't make things public, is it?

[Invent]

Of course there is, which is why we have 8 revenue models to look into. We wouldn't receive investment for a pre-revenue business if we had no way of giving the invester an ROI.
That may be what you believe, but I completely dissagree. Calum has not helped me earn investment for my business, my past projects have. Several of my previous sites have been popular and have proven that myself and Greg have what it takes to create a successful website that can make a profit. No investor will give a 17 year old a bunch of cash just because he worked with someone. That's a very silly comment to make.
We've only made start/stop projects whilst we were employed at Youemo as we had no need to commit to the websites. They simply existed to help us gain some publicity and then make a profit.
The average age of people at the conference (speaking wise) was probably 17-18, perhaps 19. The point of the conference is to have teenage speakers, so the fact I'm only 17 is a moot point.
My speaker bio explains that I've worked for a popular social network, I've created sites that have been on Mashable and I'm now working on a new site. It also links to my Twitter where you could easily find out about my newer projects. It's your fault if you make incorrect comments without doing a little bit of research first.




There's a difference between investment and money earned.
I probably could pitch a business of my own - the fact is the internet is a business where it's a matter of not necessarily what you know; it's who you know and unfortunately enough, I never had the luck you had with Mr.Brannan nor will I, which is why I gave up.
I admire you for turning down a salary to start your own 'business' but the problem is, you and Greg start on one thing then go on to another thing without finishing or establishing the first project. All ideas are fantastic. That's about it though.
It was a fact to show that you are young, still have a lot to learn - more experienced heads are out there to yours and would benefit to audience at the conference moreso than yours.
Fantastic. Well done. Until I see it I can't comment on it so you can't expect any positive reviews from me or other people as we can only go on what we know - it's not our fault if you don't make things public, is it?

[AgnesIO]

Hasn't earned a great deal? I've managed to start a company with a friend and earn investment? How is that not good for a 17 year old? No offence, but I'd like to see you pitch a business of your own (at 17) to people and actually make them listen enough for them to offer you a cash investment in your business. Also, I was offered a job at Inormas (the new name for Youmeo's business, etc) which I rejected to start my own business. What bloody difference does being able to buy a drink make? That's the most stupid comment I've ever seen regarding this conference, congratulations Adam. There's a lot more going on in my life that I don't post on here that Grant & Rob know about. I deserved my place at that conference as much as anyone else :)


He was pointing out that very few 17 year olds (E.G. That arn´t even old enough to have the full "advantages" of being an adult) can actually make a business work. For example; When you sell a business of yours for 5,000grand+ people will take you more seriously.

Well done on being one of the speakers and all though.

[Invent]

He was pointing out that very few 17 year olds (E.G. That arn´t even old enough to have the full "advantages" of being an adult) can actually make a business work. For example; When you sell a business of yours for 5,000grand+ people will take you more seriously.

Well done on being one of the speakers and all though.

Well then surely that's a reason why I deserve a place at the conference? If I couldn't make the business work, someone wouldn't have risked investing their own money in myself and Greg. Oh and we've received offers of over £2000 for SearchMerge.com which was less than a day's work so we're half way to £5000 lol :P.

Cheers btw :)

[AgnesIO]

Well, we've received offers of over £2000 for SearchMerge.com which was less than a day's work, lol.

Cheers btw :)


So you should take an offer like that (unless you have good advertising ideas to help SM grow to a maintainable level) and use the money to work on a really good business idea.

Perhaps go into hosting, but make it a proper hosting business (E.G. Registered company..)? If you even think about that though, don´t use habbo as your seat to advertise :D

And no worries!

[Skajo]

Of course there is, which is why we have 8 revenue models to look into. We wouldn't receive investment for a pre-revenue business if we had no way of giving the invester an ROI.
That may be what you believe, but I completely dissagree. Calum has not helped me earn investment for my business, my past projects have. Several of my previous sites have been popular and have proven that myself and Greg have what it takes to create a successful website that can make a profit. No investor will give a 17 year old a bunch of cash just because he worked with someone. That's a very silly comment to make.
We've only made start/stop projects whilst we were employed at Youemo as we had no need to commit to the websites. They simply existed to help us gain some publicity and then make a profit.
The average age of people at the conference (speaking wise) was probably 17-18, perhaps 19. The point of the conference is to have teenage speakers, so the fact I'm only 17 is a moot point.
My speaker bio explains that I've worked for a popular social network, I've created sites that have been on Mashable and I'm now working on a new site. It also links to my Twitter where you could easily find out about my newer projects. It's your fault if you make incorrect comments without doing a little bit of research first.




ROI are only forecasts - it's not set in stone and I wasn't talking about in the future, I was talking about now money earned.
What sites? Mini-i? No ta. You got the job at Youmeo because you knew Greg, and Greg introduced you to Calum who was/is one of the best young entrepreneurs in the country (arguable, I know). I think you're wrong but that's not for me to say. It's not a silly comment to make at all. If you've got a track record working with successful entrepreneurs then it's a fantastic thing to have and something that employees/investors etc will take on boards because they know that to work with them you have to have skills. You got the break at Youmeo - that's the luck I'm talking about. I'm not doubting your skills.
Fair point but that takes me back to the public domain - I've known nothing of your work within the past 2 months but if you care to show me then I'm willing to retract my points. Until then, it stands that you cannot commit to one project from my point of view.
Fair point again - in which case, though, the conference must've been pretty small scale with small scale (in contrast) investments to keep some of the more interesting, innovative projects alive and to give the investors a wider portfolio (which again looks good when wanting to invest in anything).
I'm an active user of the web and innovative, new, unique websites that probably don't have the audience they deserve - is it my fault that non of your sites have come across my surfing? Not really. If I have to follow your twitter to get access to some URL's you've been working on then that ain't too good. However, I will follow your twitter and if it's anything more than "i've been working on this" then I'll retract this whole statement. However, I suspect it's a string on those type of updates showing screenshots of designs etc - nothing actually made. It always seemed to be the case.

I'm not replying anymore because you've told me to do my research, which I will happily do as I've mentioned - I'm an avid fan of new, innovative, unique websites - which you and Greg do.

[Invent]

So you should take an offer like that (unless you have good advertising ideas to help SM grow to a maintainable level) and use the money to work on a really good business idea.

Perhaps go into hosting, but make it a proper hosting business (E.G. Registered company..)? If you even think about that though, don´t use habbo as your seat to advertise :D

And no worries!

The idea of SearchMerge is being incorporated into Zood (aggregated search). We're also developing 19sites in our spare time at the moment which will eventually be a hosting company. Though we're obviously focusing on Zood at the moment and then once a beta is out we will start work on 19sites during any amount of spare time we have. We're also trying to step back from the Habbo world a bit which is why we aren't talking about Zood that much here.




ROI are only forecasts - it's not set in stone and I wasn't talking about in the future, I was talking about now money earned.
What sites? Mini-i? No ta. You got the job at Youmeo because you knew Greg, and Greg introduced you to Calum who was/is one of the best young entrepreneurs in the country (arguable, I know). I think you're wrong but that's not for me to say. It's not a silly comment to make at all. If you've got a track record working with successful entrepreneurs then it's a fantastic thing to have and something that employees/investors etc will take on boards because they know that to work with them you have to have skills. You got the break at Youmeo - that's the luck I'm talking about. I'm not doubting your skills.
Fair point but that takes me back to the public domain - I've known nothing of your work within the past 2 months but if you care to show me then I'm willing to retract my points. Until then, it stands that you cannot commit to one project from my point of view.
Fair point again - in which case, though, the conference must've been pretty small scale with small scale (in contrast) investments to keep some of the more interesting, innovative projects alive and to give the investors a wider portfolio (which again looks good when wanting to invest in anything).
I'm an active user of the web and innovative, new, unique websites that probably don't have the audience they deserve - is it my fault that non of your sites have come across my surfing? Not really. If I have to follow your twitter to get access to some URL's you've been working on then that ain't too good. However, I will follow your twitter and if it's anything more than "i've been working on this" then I'll retract this whole statement. However, I suspect it's a string on those type of updates showing screenshots of designs etc - nothing actually made. It always seemed to be the case.





Calum wouldn't have hired me if I didn't have the skills. What part of that can't you understand? If Greg referred me and I turned up with terrible code or a bad attitude etc, I wouldn't have been offered the job.
I've been working on Zood for the past two months so obviously I can't prove that unless I send you our business plan, etc which I can't obviously do.

They're the only points I can bother making as otherwise this will just keep going around in circles. All I'm saying is before you claim I don't deserve a place at the conference you should have at least taken a look at my bio or clicked the link. People didn't have to know my name for me to speak there, my presentation would've made them know who I am and given a reason for me to be there. For example, I had no idea who made the Million Dollar Homepage and I would've had no clue if someone told me his naem but he was in the conference and he was great.

[Skajo]

Well twitter has revealed some interesting things - it seems as though whether you did or not deserve a place at the conference - you didn't get it so why you are campaigning that you deserve a place is beyond me. I shall, however, download your speach and listen to it then talk to you in person. It seems more appropriate.

On the note of Calum hiring you - no, he wouldn't of. But THOUSANDS of other people probably have on par or above skills than you. That's the problem with this industry - no contacts, nearly no hope. Which is unfortunate.

[Invent]

Well twitter has revealed some interesting things - it seems as though whether you did or not deserve a place at the conference - you didn't get it so why you are campaigning that you deserve a place is beyond me. I shall, however, download your speach and listen to it then talk to you in person. It seems more appropriate.

On the note of Calum hiring you - no, he wouldn't of. But THOUSANDS of other people probably have on par or above skills than you. That's the problem with this industry - no contacts, nearly no hope. Which is unfortunate.

I offered not to speak as if I did the organisers would get in trouble due to the conf. over-running. I thought it was fair for me not to speak instead of some poor other person simply because I got to pitch Zood earlier in the day.

Also, that's the same as every other competitive industry Adam. Greg referred me, I went for an interview (which Greg wasn't at by the way) and proved I had the skills for the job. Simple as.

[Source]

It's anything but all about the contacts. If you have good skills, great creativity and have products you have produced to back you up - the contacts come to you. (eventually)

[Awfy]

It's anything but all about the contacts. If you have good skills, great creativity and have products you have produced to back you up - the contacts come to you. (eventually)
Exactly! Contacts are also part of the job, they are extremely hard to come by so it's a challenge in itself.

[Agnostic Bear]

People like Jew just can't accept that there are better people than him.

Actually I can and do, but not about php because I don't know anyone that is on this forum.

I know only 1 person that's better than me at php and he taught me a large portion of the basic stuff when I was learning.

[Skajo]

Exactly! Contacts are also part of the job, they are extremely hard to come by so it's a challenge in itself.
That's bull and you know it.

[Dentafrice]

That's bull and you know it.
I'm sorry, but I'm really not sure how you would know about contacts in the real world, interviews, or anything.. when you're (as we call it in the south) probably a "young'n" yourself.

I mean, you're offering advice and criticism, when your main job is an "Event Organiser" on a Habbo fansite.

[Excellent2]

Actually I can and do, but not about php because I don't know anyone that is on this forum.

I know only 1 person that's better than me at php and he taught me a large portion of the basic stuff when I was learning.This forum has a small minority of PHP coders, Jew.

Skajo, I don't get your point about Simon being too young? If someone has the skills that he possesses at the young age of 17, he's set for life. I don't mean to preach Simon's life, but I don't know many people at the age of 16 who have worked for a popular social network? I don't know many people at the age of 16 who have moved out, got a place in a different area, and earn enough to live off. I also don't know many 17 year olds who are self employed..

Does it not occur to you that Greg and Simon will be a success? Between the two of them, they basically made Youmeo what it is, along with a few others. Does it also not occur to you that they have their own house, have a solid investment and have been offered £2k for 1 days work on a site?

Think.

[Awfy]

That's bull and you know it.
How is that bull? I didn't get my contacts by being just another designer, you have to work your ass off for contacts that are worth their weight in gold. Otherwise you're just going to get a million business cards with people who are just the same as you, making them worthless if you want to achieve greatness.

[Skajo]

I'm sorry, but I'm really not sure how you would know about contacts in the real world, interviews, or anything.. when you're (as we call it in the south) probably a "young'n" yourself.

I mean, you're offering advice and criticism, when your main job is an "Event Organiser" on a Habbo fansite.
I don't know how you dare to be honest. I'm not a young'n, I'm 2 days from freedom, Caleb. You're probably younger than me. I have a job - a job that I've had for nearly two years and one I will have for at least a further year.

I'm not offering my advice. If I wish to criticise it then that is my choice, not yours. At least it's constructive and elaborated criticism. Greg, it's a contacts business. You obviously have to have the necessary skills but MANY THOUSANDS of designers do - they don't have contacts, though.

[Awfy]

I don't know how you dare to be honest. I'm not a young'n, I'm 2 days from freedom, Caleb. You're probably younger than me. I have a job - a job that I've had for nearly two years and one I will have for at least a further year.

I'm not offering my advice. If I wish to criticise it then that is my choice, not yours. At least it's constructive and elaborated criticism. Greg, it's a contacts business. You obviously have to have the necessary skills but MANY THOUSANDS of designers do - they don't have contacts, though.
Getting contacts like I have isn't even slightly easy yet you're making it out as if I've just been lucky. 8 years of my life have been invested into the web and after the 7th it started to pay off. There may well be thousands of other designs with the same ability as me however they're not putting the work to get the contacts they need to get places.

You're also forgetting I'm not purely a designer, I'm also heavily focused on ideas and brands. That is what makes myself interesting to people looking to invest in online businesses as it's a characteristic that is potentially worth millions.

[Skajo]

I never said it was easy, all I said is that it is a contacts industry and one that can rely on luck. And you disagreed. Now you're agreeing.

[MrPinkPanther]

On the note of Calum hiring you - no, he wouldn't of. But THOUSANDS of other people probably have on par or above skills than you. That's the problem with this industry - no contacts, nearly no hope. Which is unfortunate.
I totally agree. Its not all about the contacts but they are really really important. I was used to being paid about £10 for a Flash website then suddenly earlier in the month, through a Media Studio that I contribute to, I was offered £500 to create a site which took around 8 Hours. Am I a great website designer? Hell no. Its one of my weakest points and I'd say there are many people on this forum who are better than me. Why did I get it? Because I had the contacts in this Media Studio who referred the people to me.

[Awfy]

I never said it was easy, all I said is that it is a contacts industry and one that can rely on luck. And you disagreed. Now you're agreeing.
I disagreed then agreed with what?

[Skajo]

I disagreed then agreed with what?
The industry is about contacts.

[Awfy]

The industry is about contacts.
I never said it wasn't, all I did was agree with Matt when he said it's not all about contacts. My contacts came to me after my websites started getting popular which then got them press coverage. I then was able to get contacts through those contacts. So to begin with I never had contacts however I had an idea or two which is how I ended up getting my contacts rather than how you put it as "luck".

You have to remember I'm from an area where contacts = 0. The more northern parts of Scotland aren't up with internet trends on the whole such as the southern parts of Scotland and England. So I had to go out on a limb and move away from home to get my career off the ground. It's a big step to take in life but if you want to call it luck then sure...

[Skajo]

I never said it wasn't, all I did was agree with Matt when he said it's not all about contacts. My contacts came to me after my websites started getting popular which then got them press coverage. I then was able to get contacts through those contacts. So to begin with I never had contacts however I had an idea or two which is how I ended up getting my contacts rather than how you put it as "luck".

You have to remember I'm from an area where contacts = 0. The more northern parts of Scotland aren't up with internet trends on the whole such as the southern parts of Scotland and England. So I had to go out on a limb and move away from home to get my career off the ground. It's a big step to take in life but if you want to call it luck then sure...
It just so happens that you knew Calum and he offered you a job; if I have this wrong, which I'm sure I don't, then how did you and Calum cross tracks?

[Awfy]

It just so happens that you knew Calum and he offered you a job; if I have this wrong, which I'm sure I don't, then how did you and Calum cross tracks?
I didn't know Calum until he offered me the job which he offered after seeing Klydo, so I actually entered the industry through ability rather than contacts.