Overly Moderated?

[Fehm]

This is my own opinion.

The past lke 2 months has seen me get 4 infractions and even more warnings for simply expressing my opinions, which I thought was what a forum was for?

It's just come down to the point now where posting against another users recommendations just because you believe there are better things gets you a warning, and it doesn't look good when you where only trying to help.


Anyone agree?

[Robbie]

If you think an infraction is unfair - feel free to appeal it. We're not THAT harsh :P

[Fehm]

I dont care about the infractions to be honest. It doesn't particularly bother me. It just feels like some of the moderators use it as an advantage over people when someone disagree's with them.

[Immenseman]

I agree with you to an extent. I think things are stricter than ever since I've used this forum. Whether that's a good or bad thing I don't know. There will never be a sense of community because more often than not you'll get penalised for having a borderline joke.

I think the atmosphere isn't great because of such strict regulations but at the end of the day if things were too lenient it'd be just as bad. There is one thing the moderation department really need to sort but I'll be making a thread about that later.

[WizingWiz]

I agree with you to an extent. I think things are stricter than ever since I've used this forum. Whether that's a good or bad thing I don't know. There will never be a sense of community because more often than not you'll get penalised for having a borderline joke.

I think the atmosphere isn't great because of such strict regulations but at the end of the day if things were too lenient it'd be just as bad. There is one thing the moderation department really need to sort but I'll be making a thread about that later.

Its to make sure people like you dont cause annoyance on the forums, as it is a public forum, anyone is allowed to use it and express opionions, and you should be allowed to do the same, But I find you offensive, arguementative and many of your posts are a clear attempt to annoy or make fun of someone, I doutb much of your 13,000 posts are even constructive. Last night your immaturity was shown against me, When all I was doing was confronting the racism on the forum, and you thought it would be funny to plan in the flash chat, a mission to -rep me.

Im sure if the flash chat has logs it can be seen. The harsh moderation is to insure people can have fun, express their opionion in a nice way, and debate in a nice way, and really to stop people like you causing hassle for other users.

Wiz

[xxMATTGxx]

The behaviour from some users last night/early morning was shocking to be honest. Regarding the post above. Anyhow, you can disagree with people’s recommendations, just not in a rude or harsh way that may offend others.

[WizingWiz]

Last nights/early mornings threads and posts were a clear indication of why harse moderation is in effect. Althought, If a moderater was present, Im sure that thread would have been closed before its time. If anyone felt last night I done anything wrong, feel free to express it, But as today goes, Im not one of those users that was banned as a result, and for defending equality, and stopping racism, I doutb I would be.

Thanks
Wiz

[xxMATTGxx]

Last nights/early mornings threads and posts were a clear indication of why harse moderation is in effect. Althought, If a moderater was present, Im sure that thread would have been closed before its time. If anyone felt last night I done anything wrong, feel free to express it, But as today goes, Im not one of those users that was banned as a result, and for defending equality, and stopping racism, I doutb I would be.

Thanks
Wiz

No problem, although I didn't take your post as rude. :P Yeah, If i was on at the time the thread would of been closed straight away and they wouldn't of been about 4 pages when I woke up to it. Racism is strictly forbidden on here.

[WizingWiz]

No problem, although I didn't take your post as rude. :P Yeah, If i was on at the time the thread would of been closed straight away and they wouldn't of been about 4 pages when I woke up to it. Racism is strictly forbidden on here.

Yeah sorry about that, I read your post back, and then changed mine :P
Yeah last night was crazy, They all -rep me for disagreing with an all Bristish staff list lol. And the worst thing is the rep comments,
Can they be removed?

They planned to -rep me in the flash chat, and when I come on, like 8 people had, in a clear attempt to annoy me :) Hasnt really, cause I never had rep in the first place :)

I hope a thread like that never appears :)
Wiz

[xxMATTGxx]

Yeah sorry about that, I read your post back, and then changed mine :P
Yeah last night was crazy, They all -rep me for disagreing with an all Bristish staff list lol. And the worst thing is the rep comments,
Can they be removed?

They planned to -rep me in the flash chat, and when I come on, like 8 people had, in a clear attempt to annoy me :) Hasnt really, cause I never had rep in the first place :)

I hope a thread like that never appears :)
Wiz

You can report reputation problems over at this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=125368

[Immenseman]

Its to make sure people like you dont cause annoyance on the forums, as it is a public forum, anyone is allowed to use it and express opionions, and you should be allowed to do the same, But I find you offensive, arguementative and many of your posts are a clear attempt to annoy or make fun of someone, I doutb much of your 13,000 posts are even constructive. Last night your immaturity was shown against me, When all I was doing was confronting the racism on the forum, and you thought it would be funny to plan in the flash chat, a mission to -rep me.

Im sure if the flash chat has logs it can be seen. The harsh moderation is to insure people can have fun, express their opionion in a nice way, and debate in a nice way, and really to stop people like you causing hassle for other users.

Wiz

That's your opinion. I'm a laid back character, I like to have a laugh and poke a bit of fun at people. Unlike the vast majority of the forum I've encountered I'm one of the people who will happily dish some stick out but I'll happily take some too. I'm not going to get irate about things because at the end of the day it's a Habbo related forum, that is easily forgotten.

Last night a few of us had a laugh. We're teenagers, we created a thread which was a joke and you took it all serious and started insulting us all, like you are now. Maybe my -rep comment wasn't valid but the -rep in general was. Much like your revenge reputation which is against the rules, I'm not fussed about that though, I'm not going to start insulting you like you are to me.

I have been a manager on Habbox for years, I used to be site management thus I think the majority of my posts are more than constructive and I often post in feedback with well thought out and helpful posts to try and aid Habbox, much like I did when I was Assistant General Manager so your insults aimed at me aren't needed.

You're openly saying the moderation is "harsh" and you've used the word in your post itself. The term harsh has very negative connotations. I'll take this from dictionary.com:


ungentle and unpleasant in action or effect

How can unpleasant actions be beneficial for the forum? The only answer to that is they can't. So really you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot by saying they rules are OK and then saying they're harsh. Rule breakers will always be dealt with and rightly so. Like I said in my original post the rules are strict but it's equivocal whether it's helping the forum with them being so strict.

It's my opinion that I personally find the moderation too strict and it often invades on jokes that it shouldn't do. Of course, you can get them removed. I think I've had 8 reversed since the turn of the year which serves its purpose in emphasising my point that moderators are only too happy to pull the trigger in the heat of the moment and then reverse them when they see they made a mistake.

Eight mistakes on my account alone in as many months isn't all that great which I'm sure all members of the moderation department would agree with. I know others have many reversed to, too much. If a level head was kept then so many errors of judgement wouldn't be made, creating a more harmonious atmosphere, for us, the users of Habbox who happily spend money to ensure the site remains open.

[WizingWiz]

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group. *Removed*Wiz

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not rude to others. Thanks :)

[Immenseman]

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group, Rather like a sheep actually.

Wiz

I'm no longer in such a position because I resigned to concentrate on my college work which was a lot harder than GCSEs and when I come online I didn't want to have to spend it sorting through stuff I didn't find interesting and it became evident to me someone else could give more energy and enthusiasm into my role. I stick by my mentality of "if you even think about resigning, your heart is no longer in the job".

The thread obviously wasn't really sincere. It was a joke. Every other single person acknowledged it was a joke apart from you. Some disagreed with the joke like Blinger and HotelUser but they knew it wasn't serious. What you say about the joke is ironic because Habbox actually allows jokes about the death of people, which is easily comparable in my opinion.

Also, people have to remember that the thread is a serious campaign in the UK, endorsed by thousands of respectable people. We have a thing called freedom of speech in the UK and this is allowed in society without any negative sanctions being put against the people involved. I'm not saying it should be allowed on the forum because I know it's not but it was a bit of light hearted humour.

We don't really want foreign staff to be removed from their positions. Nvrspk4 for instance is a fantastic GM and none of the current AGMs would be as half as good as he is and they're all British. There was no underlying message with the thread. Let me reinstate that someone posted it as a joke.

It's funny you call me the sheep when if you knew whos idea to post it you certainly wouldn't be saying that. If anything, every one else who posted are the sheeps :rolleyes: Obviously they're not, we were having a joke together and because you weren't included I think you felt a bit jealous and got irate, not anyone else but just you.

I find you offensive and abusive which is hypocritical of you when you're openly insulting me but of course no action will be taken because you're doing it against a "rule breaker" rather than someone else.

[Catzsy]

This is my own opinion.

The past lke 2 months has seen me get 4 infractions and even more warnings for simply expressing my opinions, which I thought was what a forum was for?

It's just come down to the point now where posting against another users recommendations just because you believe there are better things gets you a warning, and it doesn't look good when you where only trying to help.


Anyone agree?

This thread would have more credence if you used the proper channels to challenge them. I would happily have the ones I gave you reviewed. None of the infractions/warnings were given just for 'expressing an opinion' or 'helping somebody' as far as I can see and I would happily give the reasons why here if you gave me permission. Thanks :)

@Jake


The thread obviously wasn't really sincere. It was a joke. Every other single person acknowledged it was a joke apart from you. Some disagreed with the joke like Blinger and HotelUser but they knew it wasn't serious. What you say about the joke is ironic because Habbox actually allows jokes about the death of people, which is easily comparable in my opinion.

Interesting viewpoint but in that case why was it posted in feedback? I would suggest because no-one that could moderate feedback was on . Every single person in that thread acknowledged it was a joke? Well I do not believe the majority of members would have seen it as such and I entirely agree with Matt about it. Its no joke and certainly not something to post in feedback. Racism [even as a 'joke' ] is not funny. Jokes about death are not funny either in my opinion but they are allowed in the appropriate forum so thats the mandate I follow.



Eight mistakes on my account alone in as many months isn't all that great which I'm sure all members of the moderation department would agree with. I know others have many reversed to, too much. If a level head was kept then so many errors of judgement wouldn't be made, creating a more harmonious atmosphere, for us, the users of Habbox who happily spend money to ensure the site remains open.

Most of these were reversed after you had pm'd the person concerned to say that they weren't offended - that doesn't mean that the mods made a mistake it means that Habbox has been lenient in reversing them because as the posts stood without a pm from the other member they would not have been reversed. There is a great deal of difference. It also begs the question knowing this why not make sure that the mods know it is a joke between friends? Sometimes I wonder whether it has been done specifically just to wind the mods up. Obviously this is a purely subjective judgment and I could be completely wrong. :P

[Black_Apalachi]

I've just been laughing my way through this thread :P. WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol :P but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks :D). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Anyway, I can't help agreeing with this thread topic. The reason being, over the past week or two (basically since I've been back after my long period of inactivity), I've received a fair amount of, not warnings, but notificiation PMs which threaten of a warning.

I reckon I've received 5 or 6 of these in this time which I would think, is more than I've ever received over my four years as a member of Habbox. I am not complaining about these being unfair, but I'm sure even the mods who sent them, would agree that although techinically against the rules, they were fairly petty crimes. Two that spring to mind were 100% un-intended from my point of view and I'd have been appealing immediatly if they'd been infractions.

Anyway it's hard to call. As was said earlier, if the rules were too leanient then it would no doubt lead to anarchy. But on the other hand, I'm sure there is a tiny bit of room to loosen up on the red text ;).

[Catzsy]

I've just been laughing my way through this thread :P. WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol :P but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks :D). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Anyway, I can't help agreeing with this thread topic. The reason being, over the past week or two (basically since I've been back after my long period of inactivity), I've received a fair amount of, not warnings, but notificiation PMs which threaten of a warning.

I reckon I've received 5 or 6 of these in this time which I would think, is more than I've ever received over my four years as a member of Habbox. I am not complaining about these being unfair, but I'm sure even the mods who sent them, would agree that although techinically against the rules, they were fairly petty crimes. Two that spring to mind were 100% un-intended from my point of view and I'd have been appealing immediatly if they'd been infractions.

Anyway it's hard to call. As was said earlier, if the rules were too leanient then it would no doubt lead to anarchy. But on the other hand, I'm sure there is a tiny bit of room to loosen up on the red text ;).

Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.:P

[Mickword]

Oh I have a brill idea! If you don't like getting infractions...

DON'T DO BAD THINGS!

Accidental double posts merged by :Mobile (Forum Super Moderator): Due to forum lag.

[Robbie]

Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.:P

I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

[WizingWiz]

I would like to formally apologise to Immenseman, in the understanding that yes I am new, and I am unware of they way he acts normally on the forum,

I was nt so much angry at him, but at the fact he joined in on this "joke".

I accept that he found it funny, and I'm sorry for jumpng down his throat,

it happens the people, or sheep as I once said, have been dealt with,

sorry for calling you a sheep ;)

Lets start fresh lol :D
Wiz

[Catzsy]

I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

Yes but lots of members get those - they don't normally attract anything but pms unless it is done frequently. Same as pointless posting. Thing is with those is though, they annoy the heck out of the other members and we do it because of the wishes of the majority of the members. He may like to elaborate on some of the others though. :)

[Immenseman]

Interesting viewpoint but in that case why was it posted in feedback? I would suggest because no-one that could moderate feedback was on . Every single person in that thread acknowledged it was a joke? Well I do not believe the majority of members would have seen it as such and I entirely agree with Matt about it. Its no joke and certainly not something to post in feedback. Racism [even as a 'joke' ] is not funny. Jokes about death are not funny either in my opinion but they are allowed in the appropriate forum so thats the mandate I follow.

That's where our viewpoints clash. I'm sure you've re-read through the thread and the people in the thread are clearly joking. For example, I replied with just an image in feedback. I wouldn't do that in a normal constructive thread. Others put "I agree LOL" or similar statements.

It was posted as a joke as I keep reiterating. The joke wouldn't have been half as funny if it was in spam. I think throughout the thread in question it was evident that it wasn't a serious suggestion. I would have thought the majority people would acknowledge and understand that, which was the case.

It wasn't a case of "there are no smods on, post in feedback" it was merely a bit of fun. I don't think it can be taken so seriously when there are campaigns that actually endorse such messages. There are petitions sent to downing street on the situation and such stories make prime time news.

It was fundamentally created to poke fun at people who actually believe in such ridiculous cases. It's beyond me how anyone can possibly think a thread about foreign members of staff can be serious. Clearly people have very different ideas of a joke.


Most of these were reversed after you had pm'd the person concerned to say that they weren't offended - that doesn't mean that the mods made a mistake it means that Habbox has been lenient in reversing them because as the posts stood without a pm from the other member they would not have been reversed. There is a great deal of difference. It also begs the question knowing this why not make sure that the mods know it is a joke between friends? Sometimes I wonder whether it has been done specifically just to wind the mods up. Obviously this is a purely subjective judgment and I could be completely wrong. :P

From what I can see that isn't the case at all. I have 8 reversed infraction/warnings. Only two of these unless I'm mistaken are for what you said which isn't the "majority" like you said. In fact, it's quite a minority.

Jokes aren't posted to wind the mods up. Jokes are posted because this is a teen forum, I am a teenager and much like within my social group in real life I have a bit of banter with my friends on here and post jokes and create threads to poke a bit of fun occasionally which can be handled by the person it's aimed at. I'd take it on the chin if it was aimed at me. I wouldn't create it to cause offence.

If anything I'd say mods know they're jokes but will pull the trigger anyway. I wouldn't say that for all moderators and I don't want to start singling them out because it isn't needed and isn't beneficial in this thread.


I've just been laughing my way through this thread :P. WizingWig, to a newer member who has only seen a relatively small proportion of his posts, Jake probably would seem a bit silly at times lol :P but he is actually a pretty sensible chap when he needs to be and can be very helpful. He's a Habbox Legend fgs! (no really, hover over his rep blocks :D). I don't think he can help being funny either; even his serious posts (such as the ones in this thread) never fail to make me lol irl.

Aha. I do try my best, Rob! :D


I would like to formally apologise to Immenseman, in the understanding that yes I am new, and I am unware of they way he acts normally on the forum,

I was nt so much angry at him, but at the fact he joined in on this "joke".

I accept that he found it funny, and I'm sorry for jumpng down his throat,

it happens the people, or sheep as I once said, have been dealt with,

sorry for calling you a sheep ;)

Lets start fresh lol :D
Wiz

I respect you for having the guts to create a public apology admitting your wrong-doing. I guarantee you're one of a minority that would do that. I've sure found out people hate to acknowledge they're wrong. Nice that someone else can do it too :)

[Catzsy]

That's where our viewpoints clash. I'm sure you've re-read through the thread and the people in the thread are clearly joking. For example, I replied with just an image in feedback. I wouldn't do that in a normal constructive thread. Others put "I agree LOL" or similar statements.
It was posted as a joke as I keep reiterating. The joke wouldn't have been half as funny if it was in spam. I think throughout the thread in question it was evident that it wasn't a serious suggestion. I would have thought the majority people would acknowledge and understand that, which was the case.

Well tbh tell me Jake does the the person who created the thread has a history of joking in this area? So to create a basically pointless jokey thread in feedback which is how you describe is okay? Are you saying there is one rule for the rest of the forum but because you guys want to have a 'joke' then it should be allowed? That type of thread isn't allowed in Feeback regardless of what I think about the purpose of it because imo and others it was racist, pure and simple.


It wasn't a case of "there are no smods on, post in feedback" it was merely a bit of fun. I don't think it can be taken so seriously when there are campaigns that actually endorse such messages. There are petitions sent to downing street on the situation and such stories make prime time news.
It was fundamentally created to poke fun at people who actually believe in such ridiculous cases. It's beyond me how anyone can possibly think a thread about foreign members of staff can be serious. Clearly people have very different ideas of a joke.

I don't think you will find much evidence anywhere of foreign workers being told or petitions telling them they cannot work for their companies even in this climate where the depression has fueled racism. Its actually against the law. People do have different ideas on jokes but regardless of that again why would you think it was okay to post a pointless jokey thread in Feedback when its not allowed? We all have to follow the rules on the forum - it's not a case oh it's so and so lets allow them do it for a laugh because that is what spam is for.




From what I can see that isn't the case at all. I have 8 reversed infraction/warnings. Only two of these unless I'm mistaken are for what you said which isn't the "majority" like you said. In fact, it's quite a minority.

Okay these are the numbers since you left the staff as you have brought up the subject.
1 infraction reversed then replaced with a warning
1 infraction reversed
3 reversed because of pms from the other user

So out of the 4 fully reversed 3 were because of pms that otherwise would have stood.


Jokes aren't posted to wind the mods up. Jokes are posted because this is a teen forum, I am a teenager and much like within my social group in real life I have a bit of banter with my friends on here and post jokes and create threads to poke a bit of fun occasionally which can be handled by the person it's aimed at. I'd take it on the chin if it was aimed at me. I wouldn't create it to cause offence.If anything I'd say mods know they're jokes but will pull the trigger anyway. I wouldn't say that for all moderators and I don't want to start singling them out because it isn't needed and isn't beneficial in this thread.

Well nobody is denying it is a teen forum where there are jokes. With respect Jake, everyone winds up everyone else on occasion but the majority do not break the rules doing so and this is the issue. Having banter with friends is one thing but creating threads specifically to poke fun at others is not allowed and I am not sure you would not like having threads aimed at you.

I am not commenting on the mods part of the post because if you have any gripe there you should complain formally to the Forum Manager but what I would say is that every infraction and warning is checked and then double checked if a review is requested so in my view it is quite an equitable system.

I still stand by my view that is shared by Matt the thread was racist but we will agree to diasgree on that however any pointless jokey thread created in feedback will be closed at it always has done. Thanks. :)

[Plank]

Im unaware of why you are no longer in a managment position in Habbox, or have lost your previous position, But last night was a clear reason why that position is not held by you anymore.

I never took it too serious, Just because it was a joke dosnt make it ok. If I made a thread which was mildy racist, then pass it off as a joke, Does that make it acceptable? Does that make it ok?

And my -rep was infact me expressing my opionion that you are rude, While yours was just "a laugh" to join in with the group. *Removed*Wiz

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not rude to others. Thanks :)
How is saying "Rather like a sheep actually" rude, and bad enough to be removed? I think that is a good example of what the OP is talking about, it just seems like nit picking.

[Catzsy]

How is saying "Rather like a sheep actually" rude, and bad enough to be removed? I think that is a good example of what the OP is talking about, it just seems like nit picking.

Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

[Plank]

Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

Fair enough, but in regard to 'overly moderated' it seems that compared with past times, I have seen an increase of stuff getting removed from posts across the board. It just seems as though every single detail of every post is analysed, and anything that is barely offensive (maybe to someone living on a secluded island who hasn't seen another person all their life) gets removed.

[Catzsy]

Fair enough, but in regard to 'overly moderated' it seems that compared with past times, I have seen an increase of stuff getting removed from posts across the board. It just seems as though every single detail of every post is analysed, and anything that is barely offensive (maybe to someone living on a secluded island who hasn't seen another person all their life) gets removed.

I think the keyword there is 'offensive' and yes the new intake of moderators has been pretty active so there has been very few complaints that matters havent been dealt with so maybe its a no-win situation here. Either we don't do enough or we do too much? Personally I think the balance now is just about right. If you see any posts that you think have been 'overly moderated' you can report in the same way as rule breaks and it would be looked into.

[Immenseman]

Well tbh tell me Jake does the the person who created the thread has a history of joking in this area? So to create a basically pointless jokey thread in feedback which is how you describe is okay? Are you saying there is one rule for the rest of the forum but because you guys want to have a 'joke' then it should be allowed? That type of thread isn't allowed in Feeback regardless of what I think about the purpose of it because imo and others it was racist, pure and simple.

My posts were aimed at WizingWiz originally who was insulting me for my 1 post (I think) in that thread last night. I didn't expect the thread to stay there, obviously not. I fully expected it to be closed and maybe moved which it was. That doesn't shy away from the fact that the thread was created for and was a joke. Whether you agree with the joke or not is another matter. That comes down to opinion. If you don't think it was a joke which you obviously don't well at least your post certainly implies that then do you think all 15 people or what not who posted in there are racists?



I don't think you will find much evidence anywhere of foreign workers being told or petitions telling them they cannot work for their companies even in this climate where the depression has fueled racism. Its actually against the law. People do have different ideas on jokes but regardless of that again why would you think it was okay to post a pointless jokey thread in Feedback when its not allowed? We all have to follow the rules on the forum - it's not a case oh it's so and so lets allow them do it for a laugh because that is what spam is for.

So you're telling me you've never heard of the numerous campaigns "British Jobs for British Workers"?! They are often on the news and are very controversial. The thread was merely a mimmick at that and taking the mick out of those people who are genuinely that narrow minded to support such movements.

I'm perfectly aware it could have been posted in spam by the user, but it wasn't. The forum rules allow you to deal with that appropriately. So you think the thread was racist but it should have been posted in Spam? I'm pretty sure racism isn't allowed in spam either :P like Matt rightly said there is no room for racism on HxF.



Okay these are the numbers since you left the staff as you have brought up the subject.
1 infraction reversed then replaced with a warning
1 infraction reversed
3 reversed because of pms from the other user

So out of the 4 fully reversed 3 were because of pms that otherwise would have stood.

My quote with the 8 which you originally replied to was including warnings so I have no idea why you've cut it down to infractions. The fact remains you said a majority of my reversed negative sanctions have been because a member sent a PM informing the moderation department it was in fact a joke. That's 3 out of 8, which isn't even half thus clearly not a majorit




Well nobody is denying it is a teen forum where there are jokes. With respect Jake, everyone winds up everyone else on occasion but the majority do not break the rules doing so and this is the issue. Having banter with friends is one thing but creating threads specifically to poke fun at others is not allowed and I am not sure you would not like having threads aimed at you.
I wouldn't mind having light hearted threads aimed at me like I may create a light hearted thread about a user. Not to offend them but to poke fun and if both parties are content with it then I don't see the issue. I wouldn't do it to someone who was going to kick off about it because that wouldn't be worth it.

It's almost as if I'm being told I can't actually have a joke on the forum. Many jokes revolve around a bit of banter and that is what myself and others have been penalised for, something you wouldn't have been penalised for a while ago.


I still stand by my view that is shared by Matt the thread was racist but we will agree to diasgree on that however any pointless jokey thread created in feedback will be closed at it always has done. Thanks. :)

If you can't poke fun at such serious situations then everyone will be stuck in the stone age with sober faces! Of course it was the right thing for the thread to be moved but like I said the post you originally quoted me in within this thread wasn't aimed at you but rather someone insulting me for how I got involved, when I only made one or two posts.

The user has since apologised and that has been forgotten as the thread that was posted should be.

[Arch]

Haven't read many of the replies although i do believe the moderation is alot tighter then it has been in awhile although i suppose thats a good thing :P

[Alkaz]

I think that from like last winter its become very strict but peoples general behaviour and demeanor on the forum has got far worse which has ultimately resulted in harsher and more frequent warnings and infractions. If your sexy then you should be fine.

[Black_Apalachi]

*reads every essay* Jeeze.

So did people (Jake) actually get infracted regarding that thread - is that what this is all about?


Care to elaborate on the petty crimes.:P


I believe he is referring to things like commenting in the trading section, I think I sent him a PM about this recently.

No I fully accept that was against the rules and was my own fault. I mean for example, I recently posted an alteration and ended the opening post with, "Slate ******es :8" and got a PM for "avoiding the filter" (PLEASE DON'T DO IT NOW I'M OBVIOUSLY ONLY MAKING A POINT lol). Anyway, when I wrote that word, I wasn't intending to avoid the filter, I was intending to write that specific word. I don't know how others perceive it but even if it has derrived from a rude word, I see it as a completly new one which the meaning of has morphed away from being slanderous, much like plenty of words in the English Language today; "gay" or "*****" (e.g. "facebook *****"). I did a whole A-level course on this :P.

The other instance I had in mind was when I called someone a "loser". Just to form a little bit of context, I didn't write, "you are a loser" but I merely made a one word sentence of it after expressing my disappointment of a pointless negative reputation the user had left me. Of course I am not denying this was techinically an insult aimed at another member and was rude. But as I think Catzsy was mentioning earlier, the other user didn't express any offence to what I had said and to be fair, you would need to pretty messed up to be offended by such a word written by itself.

Besides, if we're not allowed to say the word, filter it.


Because the person is what aimed at found it insulting and said so in the reply and the person who posted it has had the graciousness to apologise. An edit and pm is not the same as a warning/infraction as it does not show up on the persons profile. We all accept that there are levels of rudeness from mild to completely unacceptable. If it is mildly rude and the person is offended it is removed. I do not see a problem with this and is not an example of what the OP is saying because he is talking about official warnings and infractions.

Quick question about warnings. You say those PMs don't show up on profiles? How do you keep track of how many PMs the user has been sent because they usually say, "if it happens again you will be warned then infracted"?

[xxMATTGxx]

I think that from like last winter its become very strict but peoples general behaviour and demeanor on the forum has got far worse which has ultimately resulted in harsher and more frequent warnings and infractions. If your sexy then you should be fine.

You make me smile.


*reads every essay* Jeeze.

So did people (Jake) actually get infracted regarding that thread - is that what this is all about?

No I fully accept that was against the rules and was my own fault. I mean for example, I recently posted an alteration and ended the opening post with, "Slate ******es :8" and got a PM for "avoiding the filter" (PLEASE DON'T DO IT NOW I'M OBVIOUSLY ONLY MAKING A POINT lol). Anyway, when I wrote that word, I wasn't intending to avoid the filter, I was intending to write that specific word. I don't know how others perceive it but even if it has derrived from a rude word, I see it as a completly new one which the meaning of has morphed away from being slanderous, much like plenty of words in the English Language today; "gay" or "*****" (e.g. "facebook *****"). I did a whole A-level course on this :P.

The other instance I had in mind was when I called someone a "loser". Just to form a little bit of context, I didn't write, "you are a loser" but I merely made a one word sentence of it after expressing my disappointment of a pointless negative reputation the user had left me. Of course I am not denying this was techinically an insult aimed at another member and was rude. But as I think Catzsy was mentioning earlier, the other user didn't express any offence to what I had said and to be fair, you would need to pretty messed up to be offended by such a word written by itself.

Besides, if we're not allowed to say the word, filter it.

Quick question about warnings. You say those PMs don't show up on profiles? How do you keep track of how many PMs the user has been sent because they usually say, "if it happens again you will be warned then infracted"?

First of, Jake didn't get any infractions regarding that thread. Only two people did but that's private information. ;) Yeah it's fine for you to say "If we're not allowed to say the world, filter it" Fair enough, but there is more than 1,000 words that would have to be filtered and still not all of them would be on the filter system. If you don't want to get warnings/infractions, people need to read the rules and maybe think a little before posting first.

To your final/quick question. There are things on your profile called "Usernotes". Usernotes are used by the Moderation Department to keep log of any "first" rule breaking or information regarding the user. Basically its a copy of the PM they send you, when you first break a rule.

[Catzsy]

My posts were aimed at WizingWiz originally who was insulting me for my 1 post (I think) in that thread last night. I didn't expect the thread to stay there, obviously not. I fully expected it to be closed and maybe moved which it was. That doesn't shy away from the fact that the thread was created for and was a joke. Whether you agree with the joke or not is another matter. That comes down to opinion. If you don't think it was a joke which you obviously don't well at least your post certainly implies that then do you think all 15 people or what not who posted in there are racists?
Well it is interesting that you are defending the thread starter here - where is he to defend the thread? In thread 7 people posted in favour of it and 12 against a couple of whom said it was an absolute disgrace to Habbox. So it seems that quite a few who actually saw the thread have the same opinion as Matt and I. I was not even thinking about your contribution in the thread - it was the first post which was the problem not 90% of the posts.


So you're telling me you've never heard of the numerous campaigns "British Jobs for British Workers"?! They are often on the news and are very controversial. The thread was merely a mimmick at that and taking the mick out of those people who are genuinely that narrow minded to support such movements.

Of course I have which has nothing to do with the comments in the first post in this thread. Again tell me does the thread starter have a history of joking in this area and where is he to defend the posting of it?


I'm perfectly aware it could have been posted in spam by the user, but it wasn't. The forum rules allow you to deal with that appropriately. So you think the thread was racist but it should have been posted in Spam? I'm pretty sure racism isn't allowed in spam either :P like Matt rightly said there is no room for racism on HxF.

No you are just twisting my words and you know it.:P I still maintain that posting it in feedback probably was not a mistake and was done knowing that if it had been posted in spam it would have been closed and moved very quickly.


My quote with the 8 which you originally replied to was including warnings so I have no idea why you've cut it down to infractions. The fact remains you said a majority of my reversed negative sanctions have been because a member sent a PM informing the moderation department it was in fact a joke. That's 3 out of 8, which isn't even half thus clearly not a majority

Hmm well I thought we were talking about present moderation here? Sorry that's what I thought the thread was about. Okay here is the record of the 8 you have been talking about which goes right back to January.

04-01-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
14-04-2009 Infraction reversed [not mod department]
20-04-2009 Infraction reversed - turned into a warning
26-05-2009 Infraction reversed - turned into a warning
20-06-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
30-06-2009 Infraction reversed
05-07-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member
25-07-2009 Infraction reversed - pm from other member

As you can see only one infraction issued by the moderation department has been fully reversed without a pm from a member. Obviously I would not not normally post this but in this case as you asked it was the only way to illustrate it fully. :)


I wouldn't mind having light hearted threads aimed at me like I may create a light hearted thread about a user. Not to offend them but to poke fun and if both parties are content with it then I don't see the issue. I wouldn't do it to someone who was going to kick off about it because that wouldn't be worth it.
It's almost as if I'm being told I can't actually have a joke on the forum. Many jokes revolve around a bit of banter and that is what myself and others have been penalised for, something you wouldn't have been penalised for a while ago.
If you can't poke fun at such serious situations then everyone will be stuck in the stone age with sober faces! Of course it was the right thing for the thread to be moved but like I said the post you originally quoted me in within this thread wasn't aimed at you but rather someone insulting me for how I got involved, when I only made one or two posts.

The user has since apologised and that has been forgotten as the thread that was posted should be.

You are not being told you can't have a joke. None of the comments relating to this thread were aimed at you they were aimed at the posting of a racist thread and the contents of the first post mainly not you. You choose to come and defend it that's why I am replying to you. :P

In a nutshell:

1. The thread should not have been posted because it was racist and the person posting it has been around Habbox long enough to realise that.
2. Had the thread been okay in content it still should not have been posted in feedback.

Thanks :)

[Black_Apalachi]

[...] Fair enough, but there is more than 1,000 words that would have to be filtered and still not all of them would be on the filter system. [...]

I don't follow..? If you filter words why wouldn't they be on the fiter system? :S

As for user notes, I was aware of those but I thought Catzsy said the PMs about red-text didn't appear on our profiles?

[kieranlee999]

i dont realy mind it means that people will be safe and will not get effected then so :eusa_clap to mods:eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall<< i like that 1

[xxMATTGxx]

I don't follow..? If you filter words why wouldn't they be on the fiter system? :S

As for user notes, I was aware of those but I thought Catzsy said the PMs about red-text didn't appear on our profiles?

What I'm trying to say is, there are tons of words that are inappropriate, yes? Imagine one of us trying to add them all to the filter system. Some will be missed or forgotten about. Most words are on the filter, if they are not or people "avoid it" then they get punished. I don't understand what you mean about red-text? Simple edits without any PM or usernote added. They don't come up on your profile.

[Wootzeh]

Yes it is overly moderated, and certain people abuse it by reporting the slightest thing just to get the user banned.

[Black_Apalachi]

What I'm trying to say is, there are tons of words that are inappropriate, yes? Imagine one of us trying to add them all to the filter system. Some will be missed or forgotten about. Most words are on the filter, if they are not or people "avoid it" then they get punished. I don't understand what you mean about red-text? Simple edits without any PM or usernote added. They don't come up on your profile.

Oh I thought all edits were followed by a PM. Mine all have been lol. I know it's obviously a big task to filter all the words at once. Why not do them now and again when they arrise? Like when a word is edited out of a post, add it to the filter :).

[e5]

People complain for too little moderation, it gets stepped up, then you complain again :S. Don't miss behave ok, sorted.

[Chippiewill]

I'm surprised the option to disable the filter for just ourselves hasn't been added yet...

Habbo added it a year (Maybe two) ago...

[TonyPulis]

People complain for too little moderation, it gets stepped up, then you complain again :S. Don't miss behave ok, sorted.
Show me where someone has complained about too little moderation.

[Mentor]

I'm surprised the option to disable the filter for just ourselves hasn't been added yet...

Habbo added it a year (Maybe two) ago...
Its not technically feasible. Vb applys formatting and filtering at the time a post is made so applying it per user isnt possible. The overhead of having to filter each post as its loaded would be huge.

Honestly, it really isnt that bigger deal ether - if the filter works its all well and good, my only gripe is being warned for avoiding the filter when you clearly wernt (A word not actually being filtered, i can list a few - or in an image when its down to pure guess work as to which words are allowed and which arn't) o.0

[Chippiewill]

I've looked at the PHPBB3 code and it applies filtering later on and doesn't lag loads... Stupid VB blaming 'slow' stuff for laggy code.

[WizingWiz]

It's just best that we agree to disagree, that unless the rules change the moderation will stay the same,

I may be new here, and not have seen what the moderation was previously like, but that fact remains that the moderation staff arnt suddenly change how they work, because a few people can't handle rules..

I don't think the intention is to make HxF unpleasant, it's more to make it pleasant fo everyone..

I'd also like to add, yes I apologised for being rude to immenseman, but I do not apologise for the way I reacted to the clear racism in that thread, and I don't apologise for standing up against racists :)

Wiz

[Black_Apalachi]

[...] my only gripe is being warned for avoiding the filter when you clearly wernt (A word not actually being filtered, i can list a few - or in an image when its down to pure guess work as to which words are allowed and which arn't) o.0

Yesssss. That's the whole disagreement I've been havening recently. I think that's exactly the problem. And I'm due a warning/infraction next time it happens.

[nvrspk4]

...my only gripe is being warned for avoiding the filter when you clearly wernt (A word not actually being filtered, i can list a few - or in an image when its down to pure guess work as to which words are allowed and which arn't) o.0


Yesssss. That's the whole disagreement I've been havening recently. I think that's exactly the problem. And I'm due a warning/infraction next time it happens.

Care to elaborate? (On the former in Mentor's post, the latter just put the word below the image, see if it gets filtered out, if it does just quickly edit your post, simple :P)

If elaborating would stretch the rules too much feel free to PM me.

[Black_Apalachi]

Care to elaborate? (On the former in Mentor's post, the latter just put the word below the image, see if it gets filtered out, if it does just quickly edit your post, simple :P)

If elaborating would stretch the rules too much feel free to PM me.

The row I had was over the word Elliott on Scrubs always says; begins with fr, rhymes with stick :P, and the word for a female dog but with an A after the bi. On both occassions, I wasn't trying to avoid anything, I was purely choosing those words at the time, and they are seprate words which seem pretty unoffensive to me anyway.

Ironically, in this post I am clearly trying to avoid the filter to try and explain what the actual words are, but I bet that will be seen as OK!

[Immenseman]

the word is frick. it's alright to say it like that because it clearly isn't an alternative to
any filtered word when written like that.

[Catzsy]

the word is frick. it's alright to say it like that because it clearly isn't an alternative to
any filtered word when written like that.

So what does it mean then? so **** isnt the same as *******?
Hmm could you explain that? What was written was 'What the and the word you just said'. Now I am more than happy to stop moderating that word if told to do so. In fact a review of these type of words might come in handy with a list given to the mods of the acceptable ones if any.

Warning this link contains swear words :
Definition of it:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fricking&defid=720451

[GordonBanks]

why is ****(poo) filtered but piss isnt

[Monopoly]

Being infracted for avoiding the filter when a word isn't filtered really irritates me.

For example I was infracted for using the gtfo. It's not filtered.

I asked the forum manager why they don't filter it and I think the excuse was something about it being too difficult to filter every abbreviation with swear words in it...

[Catzsy]

Being infracted for avoiding the filter when a word isn't filtered really irritates me.

For example I was infracted for using the gtfo. It's not filtered.

I asked the forum manager why they don't filter it and I think the excuse was something about it being too difficult to filter every abbreviation with swear words in it...

But that is a very easy one. If you wrote out that abbreviation in full the word represented by the
third letter is filtered. In any event I cannot see any occasion when that abbreviation would be used in a non rule breaking way as it is very rude. :S

[Immenseman]

the word is frick. it's alright to say it like that because it clearly isn't an alternative to
any filtered word when written like that.


So what does it mean then? so **** isnt the same as *******?
Hmm could you explain that? What was written was 'What the and the word you just said'. Now I am more than happy to stop moderating that word if told to do so. In fact a review of these type of words might come in handy with a list given to the mods of the acceptable ones if any.

Warning this link contains swear words :
Definition of it:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fricking&defid=720451

If you read my post then you'd realise what I meant. When you say the word frick by itself it clearly isn't anything else hence it being on daytime TV and parents would happily say it to their children. However, if I was to say what the *insert the said word here* like Rob did then I can see where you're coming from.

My post was merely stating what the word was to aid the General Manager in finding out the word was. The sentence after that was just me saying that you can happily say the word frick providing you're not using it to replace the much ruder and filtered f word. Simples!

[Catzsy]

If you read my post then you'd realise what I meant. When you say the word frick by itself it clearly isn't anything else hence it being on daytime TV and parents would happily say it to their children. However, if I was to say what the *insert the said word here* like Rob did then I can see where you're coming from.

My post was merely stating what the word was to aid the General Manager in finding out the word was. The sentence after that was just me saying that you can happily say the word frick providing you're not using it to replace the much ruder and filtered f word. Simples!

Yes and I agree with you. It's probably something that needs clarification anyway so we all know which is allowed and which isn't. :)

[Monopoly]

It was used in a joking sense ;). I'm not a rude person. Of course the word is filtered, so why not filter the abbreviation?

I disagree with the filter as a whole, I do not need people to pick what words I'm allowed and not allowed to read. If I was offended by swearing would I really be using the internet and watching television? I think it was fair enough when HxF's main demographic was 12-13 year olds, but those users have all grown up now and the average user is 16/17.

It's not about being allowed to swear, because I don't do it that often, but being censored is very irritating and feels almost rude. It's also the fact that I don't believe that management really want the filter for any other reason than the fact it's always been there. If it had never been there in the first place I doubt any user would have came to the Feedback forum and complained about it.

[Immenseman]

It was used in a joking sense. ;)

I'm not a rude person.

Of course the word is filtered, so why not filter the abbreviation?

I disagree with the filter as a whole, I do not need people to pick what words I'm allowed and not allowed to read.

If I was offended by swearing would I really be using the internet and watching television?

I think it was fair enough when HxF's main demographic was 12-13 year olds, but those users have all grown up now and the average user is 16/17.

It's not about being allowed to swear, because I don't do it that often, but being censored is very irritating and feels almost rude. It's also the fact that I don't believe that management really want the filter for any other reason than the fact it's always been there. If it had never been there in the first place I doubt any user would have came to the Feedback forum and complained about it.

I agree with you to a certain extent about the filter.

This is one thing that annoys me. When people get an infraction for avoiding the filter the moderators say - you can check what is filtered by previewing your post. True. So you write the term "gtfo" like you said (I think you're allowed to use them in feedback) and preview your post. You see it isn't filtered so you assume using common sense and what a moderator has told you that you're allowed to say it because it isn't filtered.

Either the moderation department needs to change what they say about being able to preview your post or the management need to put the work in and filter a few more words and unfilter some words whilst they're at it rather than adding commas into the forum rules or whatever they do :P

[Catzsy]

It was used in a joking sense ;). I'm not a rude person. Of course the word is filtered, so why not filter the abbreviation?

I disagree with the filter as a whole, I do not need people to pick what words I'm allowed and not allowed to read. If I was offended by swearing would I really be using the internet and watching television? I think it was fair enough when HxF's main demographic was 12-13 year olds, but those users have all grown up now and the average user is 16/17.

It's not about being allowed to swear, because I don't do it that often, but being censored is very irritating and feels almost rude. It's also the fact that I don't believe that management really want the filter for any other reason than the fact it's always been there. If it had never been there in the first place I doubt any user would have came to the Feedback forum and complained about it.

Well I would have to agree to disagree with you here on a personal note - we have many younger members. New ones join all the time. The abbreviation you are talking about is well covered by the rules i.e. you can say LMAO but you can't put the 'f' in it and I still don't see any need to use it even in a joking sense. When you are typing it you know what the 'f' means and must have realised by now that the full word is filtered. :P

[Monopoly]

Well of course you would take the high-ground. You're the Virgin Mary herself from what I've seen.

[Catzsy]

Well of course you would take the high-ground. You're the Virgin Mary herself from what I've seen.

Why thanks for that. As it happens it was me with a few others who pushed for the liberalisation of the rules in the first place with some words being taken out of the filter so sometimes all is not what it seems. :)

[GordonBanks]

Well I would have to agree to disagree with you here on a personal note - we have many younger members. New ones join all the time. The abbreviation you are talking about is well covered by the rules i.e. you can say LMAO but you can't put the 'f' in it and I still don't see any need to use it even in a joking sense. When you are typing it you know what the 'f' means and must have realised by now that the full word is filtered. :P
not really, and even if there were I'm sure they've all used the words themsleves :rolleyes:



why is ****(poo) filtered but piss isnt

[Immenseman]

the age argument is rubbish. there are users from all age groups, from 13-20 on average. words shouldn't be unfiltered because "people are older" because that isn't truthful. just because of a few polls in the general forum, they aren't conclusive. go and find the ages of people in the habbo/runescape/trading forums and come back to me.

[Plank]

I don't think the age debate should come into it either, unless you've lived a very sheltered life and are home-schooled then most kids probably know most swear words. The fact that they are using the internet also suggests that they are aware of nearly all swear words unless their parents are sitting next to them checking for swear words while they browse HxF and other sites.

(Not saying the filter should be removed or anything like that, it should be there for the benefit of everyone)

[Immenseman]

Regardless of whether you've heard the words or not it doesn't create a nice atmosphere for people of younger age groups. It will put them off using the site. It's annoying when people say "everyone is older on hxf now!!!11" no. they are not.

[Plank]

Regardless of whether you've heard the words or not it doesn't create a nice atmosphere for people of younger age groups. It will put them off using the site. It's annoying when people say "everyone is older on hxf now!!!11" no. they are not.
It doesn't create a nice atmosphere for people of any age

[Immenseman]

true. however, if people you're friends with when you're 20 are swearing and your parents hear them, they won't care. if you're 13, there is a stronger chance they will. just an example which is relatively comparable to the situation.

[MrRem]

i have come up with alternative swear words instead.
God thank Dewcawks.

[Plank]

true. however, if people you're friends with when you're 20 are swearing and your parents hear them, they won't care. if you're 13, there is a stronger chance they will. just an example which is relatively comparable to the situation.
It still doesn't make it a nicer atmosphere whether you are 13 and swearing or 50 and swearing, whether parents care or not is a different story

[Immenseman]

i never said it's a better atmosphere, i said it's worse for younger people. vast difference. i've already acknowledged swearing creates a poor atmosphere anyway, i'm merely playing devils advocate to allow people to see all angles of the argument, something numerous people are incapable of doing.

[Plank]

i never said it's a better atmosphere, i said it's worse for younger people. vast difference. i've already acknowledged swearing creates a poor atmosphere anyway, i'm merely playing devils advocate to allow people to see all angles of the argument, something numerous people are incapable of doing.
I don't see how that is the other side of the 'argument'. You were talking about parents caring not about what atmosphere it creates.

[MrRem]

**** you all x

Edited by :Mobile (Forum Super Moderator): Please try to expand your posts as they could be classed as pointless.

[Immenseman]

I don't see how that is the other side of the 'argument'. You were talking about parents caring not about what atmosphere it creates.
i've made more than one post in this thread dear.

[Plank]

i've made more than one post in this thread dear.
Well you said 'however' after commenting on the point I made so it looked like you were trying to make a counter-argument against my point, dear. Instead, you made a different point altogether, so it wasn't very clear.

[Immenseman]

i thought the first word after i quoted your post "true" was clear enough. sorry for thinking that true was such an unequivocal word, my bad.

[Plank]

i thought the first word after i quoted your post "true" was clear enough. sorry for thinking that true was such an unequivocal word, my bad.
Maybe you should look up 'however' in a thesaurus and then you may see why I misinterpreted your post.

[Immenseman]

and i've already explained i was playing devils advocate. did you even read my posts or understand the phrase?

[Plank]

and i've already explained i was playing devils advocate. did you even read my posts or understand the phrase?
Yes I did, hence why I responded to it.

Lets just leave it shall we? ;)

[Immenseman]

yeah, else the overly vicious moderators will come and get us :P

[Catzsy]

yeah, else the overly vicious moderators will come and get us :P

LOL:D - I agree with both of you actually. Some commonsense in the posts.

[Black_Apalachi]

Right seriously, is there any Habbox Forum user who is actually so young/stupid that they understand the meaning of lmao with an F included, but can't work out what the stars could possibly be hiding when you say **** off? :S

My personal view of the filter is that I've always felt rude by causing words to be filtered so I always avoided doing it. I don't mean "avoded the filter", I mean simply avoiding the bad language. Now it seems when expressing yourself at all, it's easier to type the worst words you know as they are guaranteed to be filtered, rather than typing something less severe which may or may not be filtered, resulting in a nice big infraction. The whole thing is one big ironic ******* pile of horse ****.

[Catzsy]

Right seriously, is there any Habbox Forum user who is actually so young/stupid that they understand the meaning of lmao with an F included, but can't work out what the stars could possibly be hiding when you say **** off? :S

My personal view of the filter is that I've always felt rude by causing words to be filtered so I always avoided doing it. I don't mean "avoded the filter", I mean simply avoiding the bad language. Now it seems when expressing yourself at all, it's easier to type the worst words you know as they are guaranteed to be filtered, rather than typing something less severe which may or may not be filtered, resulting in a nice big infraction. The whole thing is one big ironic ******* pile of horse ****.

Well I can see that you have a point but saying **** off to anybody is breaking the rules anyway as its just plain rudeness. On the other hand the alternative words are a debate worth having in my personal opinion. A list of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable would be as useful to the mods as it is the members.

[Immenseman]

I know where you're coming from Rob. For example, we've all seen and a lot of us have done it ourselves. An adult makes a mistake, maybe drops and smashes a glass, rather than saying "oh ****" like they would normally they say "oh sugar". According to what I've seen in this thread and on the forum with regards to Robs punishment that's not allowed which is nonsense.

Like wise I've heard people say "flipping hell" would I get an infraction for saying that on the forum? I bloody well hope not because such phrases have been said by people who don't want to swear and are replacing the swear word with a word that is widely acceptable for society.

I think like Catzsy has suggested, the rules on words like these need examining and some clarification wouldn't go a miss to eliminate any ambiguities which we currently have. I personally don't see an issue with saying flipping hell or what the frick, they aren't derogatory or detrimental in any way shape or form.

[iAdam]

I'll be the first to admit that my judgement wasn't great when I started. But in all honesty, there's a difference between expressing your opinion and insulting someone, recently there was a case I dealed with where someone decided that they would call someone illiterate because they made a point that the thread starter didn't understand. Instead they could of just asked to clarify their point instead of insulting the person. Personally I believe the amount of moderating at the moment is fine. Oh and infractions have to be checked by Smod's and so, if two people judge it as being rule breaking then it's safe to say that it's rulebreaking.

Oh and I've managed my whole time on habbox without a single mark against my name, if you don't like the infractions, don't break the rules, simples.

[Black_Apalachi]

Well I can see that you have a point but saying **** off to anybody is breaking the rules anyway as its just plain rudeness. On the other hand the alternative words are a debate worth having in my personal opinion. A list of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable would be as useful to the mods as it is the members.

That was obviously an example and you're missing the point :rolleyes:. Think of any non-rule-breaking context to say **** then. Anyone who knows what the letters in ***** are, can quite clearly guess what **** might mean. Even if you just write it on its own, it's the first thing that anyone imagines it could be.

****

see.


I know where you're coming from Rob. For example, we've all seen and a lot of us have done it ourselves. An adult makes a mistake, maybe drops and smashes a glass, rather than saying "oh ****" like they would normally they say "oh sugar". According to what I've seen in this thread and on the forum with regards to Robs punishment that's not allowed which is nonsense.

Like wise I've heard people say "flipping hell" would I get an infraction for saying that on the forum? I bloody well hope not because such phrases have been said by people who don't want to swear and are replacing the swear word with a word that is widely acceptable for society.

I think like Catzsy has suggested, the rules on words like these need examining and some clarification wouldn't go a miss to eliminate any ambiguities which we currently have. I personally don't see an issue with saying flipping hell or what the frick, they aren't derogatory or detrimental in any way shape or form.

Thank you Jake. Also, my example was fudge and I'm sure Catzsy said that would SOMEHOW be against the rules in some contexts :S.

Edit: Oh right, LMAO + F has been filtered now then.

[Immenseman]

When you're a moderator "marks against your name" are different though. You're expected to have good judgement and I'd say reversed infractions are a mark against your name as a moderator. I think 100% of your sanctions against me have been reversed, may be wrong though.

[iAdam]

Yes they have been, however as Catzsy pointed out, most are after Pm's made by you to the user and otherwise would have stood, reversed infractions arn't a mark at all. It's just a guide as to whether you need to be more leniant.

[Immenseman]

It's cool. About the PM bit. You can look for yourself "most" or the "majority" like Catzsy said haven't been reversed because of that, some yes. Most, no.

[Black_Apalachi]

I think this is a prime example of the thread topic, 'Overly Moderated'; http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=5993483&postcount=27.

Btw UrbanDictionary just provides examples of common uses for various words and phrases. It's not like an official English language reference. So as long as a word isn't in the actual English language dictionary, any way you choose to use it is as valid as any of the "definitions" you see on there. There is no difinitive useage, hence why there are often dozens of results when you search a word or phrase.

[iAdam]

The above is just an edit, no infraction or warning was given.

[Black_Apalachi]

But the edit doesn't even make sense. Look at the section the thread is in.

[xxMATTGxx]

The edit would of been for pointless posting, which I have now changed for her. Swearing on the forum doesn't make the forum look nice to any age really. Like posted above, although some words like you have mentioned Jake need to me thought about and maybe not classed as "avoiding the filter". Example; "Flippin hell".

[Chippiewill]

Why not remove the filter on the grounds of:

WARNING | Link contains Swearing, some people may be offended on behalf of others | WARNING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

[Black_Apalachi]

Why not remove the filter on the grounds of:

WARNING | Link contains Swearing, some people may be offended on behalf of others | WARNING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

Stephen Fry is always right. +rep :).

[nvrspk4]

I would certainly say that frick is acceptable, however I can also see where a moderator who removed that was coming from, deeming it a derivative of a not so nice word but personally I think frick is entirely acceptable.

The addition of the a to another curseword I don't buy at all :P That is clearly a curse word and an a would be an avoidance. However, with the system we have I would hope that moderators in certain cases would give a PM warning. There are two situations, one whether the user is clearly avoiding the filter and another where a user is simply saying something the way they're used to and forgot it wouldn't filter.


You ******

With previous warnings etc should be infracted (obviously the avoidance, I've self filtered it so some smartass (yay for unfiltering) doesn't cry foul).


Take that ******

To a friend or something in competition or whatever should be edited, removed, but only given a PM warning as I feel thats a pretty innocent avoidance.

[Catzsy]

I would certainly say that frick is acceptable, however I can also see where a moderator who removed that was coming from, deeming it a derivative of a not so nice word but personally I think frick is entirely acceptable.

The addition of the a to another curseword I don't buy at all :P That is clearly a curse word and an a would be an avoidance. However, with the system we have I would hope that moderators in certain cases would give a PM warning. There are two situations, one whether the user is clearly avoiding the filter and another where a user is simply saying something the way they're used to and forgot it wouldn't filter.



With previous warnings etc should be infracted (obviously the avoidance, I've self filtered it so some smartass (yay for unfiltering) doesn't cry foul).



To a friend or something in competition or whatever should be edited, removed, but only given a PM warning as I feel thats a pretty innocent avoidance.


Well that's one word clarified - I think we need to sort out the ambiguities of others on behalf of the moderators and members. :)

[Black_Apalachi]

I would certainly say that frick is acceptable, however I can also see where a moderator who removed that was coming from, deeming it a derivative of a not so nice word but personally I think frick is entirely acceptable.

The addition of the a to another curseword I don't buy at all :P That is clearly a curse word and an a would be an avoidance. However, with the system we have I would hope that moderators in certain cases would give a PM warning. There are two situations, one whether the user is clearly avoiding the filter and another where a user is simply saying something the way they're used to and forgot it wouldn't filter.



With previous warnings etc should be infracted (obviously the avoidance, I've self filtered it so some smartass (yay for unfiltering) doesn't cry foul).



To a friend or something in competition or whatever should be edited, removed, but only given a PM warning as I feel thats a pretty innocent avoidance.

I agree that while moderating, consideration is needed for those who may simply forget or not realise part of an acronym is filtered. It's much more positive for moderators to make a judgement based on context and intent rather than just seeing the disallowed word and punishing the user as severely as they perhaps would if someone was using the same word to attack another member.

[Chippiewill]

Hmm I agree with the A added should be just as bad since I have checked on a few sites and they say that the one for female dogs is the same with an A just a different pronunciation.

WARNING | Spoiler Below contains swearing | WARNING

For those who could not work out the words, the words in question were:
Bi.tch (Purposeful avoidance for an example)
and
******

[Catzsy]

I agree that while moderating, consideration is needed for those who may simply forget or not realise part of an acronym is filtered. It's much more positive for moderators to make a judgement based on context and intent rather than just seeing the disallowed word and punishing the user as severely as they perhaps would if someone was using the same word to attack another member.

For avoiding the filter/inappropriate language it does not matter in what context it is posted in it is simply against the rules. However as 'frick' has now been deemed acceptable then it won't be edited unless a member tells somebody to 'frick off' then it would be a rule break for rudeness.

[GordonBanks]

this is stupid, how often are people going to use the word anyway :rolleyes:

[Monopoly]

Often enough that it's caused an issue. ;)

[Pixet]

Being new, I don't have that much knowledge of the forum apart from what I've seen. The rules on here are actually more relaxed than other forums. On Habbox, there is SO much less spam and pointless posts. Other places are just littered with junk. Obviously I don't have much say but from what I have read there are enough moderators to keep everyone in line.

[Tintinnabulate]

The sports section is getting beyond stupid. Make a single post against Flintoff or England in the cricket thread and you get infractioned for trying to cause arguments :\ Catzsy infractioned me because she didnt see that my post was obviously toward Flintoff and not the forum member :rolleyes: but luckily Garion saw that she was wrong and reversed it. But they have infractioned me again twice since he has left :\

Should rename the sports section to "Support england or get infractioned"

[Chippiewill]

I feel that the better behaved forums tend to be left off for more things, however the sports forum, as for what it is, cannot really behave. I think a supported team profile thing was promised if the sports forum behaved well.