Reputation System

[Hecktix]

Heyyy :)

My rep power just went up by 1 and I was wondering why so I looked into the reputation system to find out (I didn't realise it was my Habbox Birthday tomorrow) but as I was looking at it I thought that it was a bit harsh (then I remembered who implemented the changes here (http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=439303&highlight=reputation)).

Let's look at it like this

Rep Power goes up every:

600 reputation points
I personally think this is a bit high, I can't remember what it was before the changes implemented but in my opinion this is insanely high. The majority of the forum has less than 5 rep power, this theoretically means that someone would need to be +repped over 150 times to gain a rep power? Say every 5th post somebody posts gets +rep that would mean that someone would have to post 750 times to gain on their rep power. For someone doesn't post very often this could be difficult. After all it is the quality of the post that matters not the quantity of posts the user has - there is already a system to reward the high posters (see below) so why should the rep points requirement (which should be solely about quality of post hence the recieving of the reputation for them) depend on so many posts being posted before the average user who only posts a few times a week gets another rep power?

I personally think 300 or 400 would be a much better requirement here.

5000 posts
My problem with the 600 rep points per rep power was that it seemed to depend on the amount of posts a person would make, this one which should depend on the amount of posts a person would make kind of depends on the length of time they have been here - yet again there is another part of the system which rewards loyal members for being here long? It would take most forum users well over a year to gain 5000 posts, infact I've been here for 3 years tomorrow and I've only managed to get 2800 (although my account was inactive for the the whole of 2008 and best part of 07). Yet I wouldn't say I don't post a lot? Maybe this should be reduced to 2500 or 3000 to make it a more realistic goals for those members who have joined in the past year and have got around 1000 posts or so.

Every 365 days registered
This part is fine, it's a good way to reward the loyal members to the forum however users cannot help if if they haven't been here that long (hence why the above should probably be changed to reward the more recent members).

Don't know what you think? I remember there was a bit of a stink when it was introduced however only 1 person got their way in those times :P
Now we're in a more democratic pixellated world maybe people want change?

I don't know?

[Yoshimitsui]

The problem is that some of the older member have such a high amount of reputation and if the limits are lowered they have insanely high amounts of rep power. There was alot of pointless repping back in the day and it created a group of users who would have over 50+ rep power. This is not what the system is designed for at Habbox although other sites seem to have people on 100+.

[today]

muahhh older members rule. lol.

[Hecktix]

The problem is that some of the older member have such a high amount of reputation and if the limits are lowered they have insanely high amounts of rep power. There was alot of pointless repping back in the day and it created a group of users who would have over 50+ rep power. This is not what the system is designed for at Habbox although other sites seem to have people on 100+.

That's why if it was changed it'd have to be reasonable changes, I mean say the rep points requirement went from 600 to 300 or 400, it would only at worst double the rep power of users - the highest rep power I think i've seen is 19.. and that member probably deserves his/hers 38 rep power I suppose.. as you say other sites have people with 100+. It would just require strict moderation I suppose.


muahhh older members rule. lol.

-is older than u-

[Immenseman]

When they were changed some of you may remember I was firmly against the changes and was very vocal about it. However, with hindsight I can now say that the reputation system is better than before. Sure, it's hard to get a new power, life is hard. It's more of a challenge and challenges are only good for you :)

Just imagine it was changed to the things you said. I have 6700 rep point or something. I can't be bothered to do the maths but if management like you suggested made it 300 points rather than 600 then I would have double rep power that I've earnt on points. Then if they were to do it for every 3000 posts, I'd have a lot more once again.

I know my rep points and power are one of the highest on the whole forum so it's easy for me to say it's fine how it is but that's my genuine opinion. If all the changes you suggested were implemented into a new revamped reputation system I'd have 20+ points. This became a problem last time because new users were put off by towering reputation powers and was abused freely by people trying to jump up the rep ladder.

I've had people willing to pay me for one +rep, such things will only increase if it's easier to reputation power because people will be more willing to engage in such activities. People don't put the effort in to try and abuse the system because there is no point in doing so any more. There would be point if your changes were introduced.

It's funny that the only point I think is poor about the reputation system is how many people you have to give reputation before you can give the same user reputation again. It's something excessive like 50 people, it's very hard to find 50 different people who deserve rep. That's like a third of active users at any given time. It can take months and this should be put down considerably to 30.

[jackass]

I think you should get 1 reputation power for every...


1 year registered on the forum
500 reputation points
2500 posts

:)

[today]

That's why if it was changed it'd have to be reasonable changes, I mean say the rep points requirement went from 600 to 300 or 400, it would only at worst double the rep power of users - the highest rep power I think i've seen is 19.. and that member probably deserves his/hers 38 rep power I suppose.. as you say other sites have people with 100+. It would just require strict moderation I suppose.



-is older than u-
-is older then you jul 04-

[Hecktix]

-is older then you jul 04-

perm'd account though matthew?

I think it could work if it was moderated? Biohazards suggestions were good.

If rep power was changed now would it affect previous rep points though?

[Yoshimitsui]

I think you should get 1 reputation power for every...


1 year registered on the forum
500 reputation points
2500 posts

:)

It's a good idea that along with what Invincible said, however the existing members have a very high amount that a change like that will make big changes to their already high reputation counts. It's a no win situation as whichever way you go it's fair one set of people but boosting it for others.

[today]

perm'd account though matthew?

I think it could work if it was moderated? Biohazards suggestions were good.

If rep power was changed now would it affect previous rep points though?
Yeah it is, but its Mathew :'(

[Kardan]

Well, the member with the most reputation power on the forum has 27, with the next members having 23 and 22. There's only a handful of members who are higher than 20, and nobody is nowhere near the 50 it got too before all the limits were reduced.

Even if the top 3 members all repped you, you'll only get +72 rep points, they'll need to do that another 10 (I think it's 10, times) before you can get repped again, and that has to be done around 7/8 times before you'll have another +600 rep points needed for just that one extra rep power.

Of course, if we do reduce the limits, that will only reduce the time before we need to increase the limits again, so maybe it's best to keep them as it is.

[Immenseman]

I don't think posts need changing. By changing it to 2500 I would once again hit the 20 mark and I'm sure others would too, although I'm not 100% sure about that because my post count is pretty excessive :P

Changing it down to 500 rather than 600 does make sense really just because 600 is a tad random and I suppose it would bring some fun back into the reputation system once again. 500 is easier than 600 and more of a "round" number if you get me.

I agree that the 1 year registered is quite fine as it is. That shouldn't be altered at all because that's spot on :)

I'll go back to my previous point though - if it's made too easy it'll be abused and that the one thing that really needs to change is that you have to rep 50 people before repping the same person again. Not necessary.

[Hecktix]

It's a good idea that along with what Invincible said, however the existing members have a very high amount that a change like that will make big changes to their already high reputation counts. It's a no win situation as whichever way you go it's fair one set of people but boosting it for others.

It's boosting it for people who deserve it though? Take Jake for example.. he has what 14,000 posts now? He joined around the same time I did and look at me, only 2800 - so I guess you could say Jake shows some dedication, so I think he'd deserve double the rep power - as long as it didnt affect the previous points (cause that would be stupid) and pointless rep was moderated it would make sense.

Looking at it in a Utilitarian way - you say it would be good for one set of people but just boosting rep power for the others - surely the former group is the bigger? Greatest good for the greatest number?

Idk it's only a suggestion.

@ Jake & the 50 user thing - certainly agreed.

[Kardan]

I don't think posts need changing. By changing it to 2500 I would once again hit the 20 mark and I'm sure others would too, although I'm not 100% sure about that because my post count is pretty excessive :P

Changing it down to 500 rather than 600 does make sense really just because 600 is a tad random and I suppose it would bring some fun back into the reputation system once again. 500 is easier than 600 and more of a "round" number if you get me.

I agree that the 1 year registered is quite fine as it is. That shouldn't be altered at all because that's spot on :)

I'll go back to my previous point though - if it's made too easy it'll be abused and that the one thing that really needs to change is that you have to rep 50 people before repping the same person again. Not necessary.

Is it 50 people? Not 10? I don't even know 50 people on here :x

[Immenseman]

I thought it was changed to 50 anyway. No idea if it has been changed back, maybe it has already been changed. I'm not sure.

[Kardan]

NeverSoft has the most rep power with 27, that's with the current limits of +600 Rep Points, +1 Year, +5000 Posts.

If it was changed to +500 Rep Points, +1 Year, +2500 Posts, his rep power would increase to 34.

If the +500 Rep points was changed to +300 that the thread starter suggested, NeverSofts power would jump to 50.

When people started hitting 50 rep power, the system was changed because you could gain an extra rep power in a matter of days.

So if we change it to what the thread starter suggested, we'd have to change it back straight the way.

[Hecktix]

NeverSoft has the most rep power with 27, that's with the current limits of +600 Rep Points, +1 Year, +5000 Posts.

If it was changed to +500 Rep Points, +1 Year, +2500 Posts, his rep power would increase to 34.

If the +500 Rep points was changed to +300 that the thread starter suggested, NeverSofts power would jump to 50.

When people started hitting 50 rep power, the system was changed because you could gain an extra rep power in a matter of days.

So if we change it to what the thread starter suggested, we'd have to change it back straight the way.

Agreed that 500 or maybe 400 would be a better figure than I originally stated.

Wasn't it 400 originally?

[Immenseman]

If it goes much below 500 then we'll have the original issue. 500 is the lowest it can go and I don't think posts should go much below 5000, it's rewarding the active users. 5000 is way too much for someone just to post for rep power however if it was changed to 2500 like has been suggested I wouldn't be surprised to see people post to try and get to the next 2500 primarily for an extra +1 to their power.

[Yoshimitsui]

It's boosting it for people who deserve it though? Take Jake for example.. he has what 14,000 posts now? He joined around the same time I did and look at me, only 2800 - so I guess you could say Jake shows some dedication, so I think he'd deserve double the rep power - as long as it didnt affect the previous points (cause that would be stupid) and pointless rep was moderated it would make sense.

Looking at it in a Utilitarian way - you say it would be good for one set of people but just boosting rep power for the others - surely the former group is the bigger? Greatest good for the greatest number?

Idk it's only a suggestion.

@ Jake & the 50 user thing - certainly agreed.



People do deserve it yes, and people who don't post as much and newer ones also deserve for it to be fair. However, along with the pointless repping were those who spammed, this again earns them a high rep power as the two main factors for it are how many posts you make and how much people rep you. That is where the unfair bit is in my opinion, im not against lowering it as i do think it's high, but they are the consequences that spring to mind.

[The Professor]

Haven't read the rest of the thread because I'm shattered.

Atm the reputation system gives a pretty clear indication of reputation on the forum. Because of the long member retention time this forum seems to have, the time registered and posts made and fairly indicative of how much of a presence the person is on the forum compared to other people. The number of points makes the difference between the people who post well and post badly; those who post well will have a higher reputation and therefore deserve the rep power they earn through the rep points.

In short: the system works pretty well atm and what flaws it has won't be solved by just upping everyone's numbers through changing the thresholds.

[leah]

I agree that 600 rep points and 5000 posts is a lot, but it would make members work to achieve rep more, it would also make them visit more often. I don't think it should be changed.

[Hecktix]

I agree that 600 rep points and 5000 posts is a lot, but it would make members work to achieve rep more, it would also make them visit more often. I don't think it should be changed.

In all fairness it's hardly easy to get 500 rep points or 2500+ posts... I think the current amounts are just a bit too excessive - maybe not the post count but certainly the rep points

[Chippiewill]

Perhaps you should half all the current rep everyone has, that way you can increase rep power per rep without harming the system much and allowing early people to get a higher rep power.

[Mentor]

Ajusting the rep limit to 500 would make sence imo. Its a more rounded number, and would make rep recived a important aspect of rep power (which i think it should be)

5000 posts is alot, but rewarding post count isnt really what the rep points are for so i think its a good number. I also think the 1 point a year seems about right :)

[Immenseman]

Yeah if one element needs to be changed I'd say the points but only to 500. You don't post to get rep power. Maybe that's because 5000 is too excessive for people so if it was lowered maybe people would start posting for rep which wouldn't be pleasant, for anyone :P

[lick]

edit nvm this /:P

[Arch]

Mmmkay well i read all of that and I think the 5000 posts should stay, because Rep should be about rep not posts? If you want a reward for high posts , you have the Gold stars , sapphire, ruby, platnium etc...

I think lowering it to 500 would be alright but its w/e

and the 1 year for +1 rep should stay as thats good

If anything should change it should be the time it takes to rep the same person twice. If it is still 50 which i think it is :S then i think it should be 25 or 30. (If this has been changed to 10 like someone said or w/e then ma bad).

Also its just rep tbh mine is terrible and it doesn't bother me 1 bit i post cuz i want too not for rep so who rly cares tbh. AND 1 more point ur rep rly depends on what sections u visist because for example alot of people have higher rep in spam but if u dont visit spam and visit a section with alot of people with lower rep then it will obviously be harder for you too gain rep if you understand what im saying.

[Black_Apalachi]

Leave reputation alone tbh.

The only thing that should be changed is the amount you need to rep before you can rep the same person again. As it is, every second time I say "+rep" I end up editing it to "sorry, need to spread". And it just leads to people spreading it by giving out random rep anyway.

I could also live with the +600 points being decreased to +500, just for the sake of it really :P.

Leave the +5000 posts or whatever it is and +1 year as they are though.

Actually now that you mention it, I recently wroked out that I'm supposed to have another rep block. Does anyone know whether I'm correct or not? (I have 1295 points).

[le harry]

rep system has lost all impact now so it doesn't really matter. i'd say change it if you want to revive it, not excessively but like 500. then again users would jump up the ladder and form high-rep social groups just as the kkk once did lol ^_^

[Immenseman]

then i came and sat in the middle

[le harry]

Huh :S

[Immenseman]

i meant in the rep standings about what you said with the KKK i'm above you and tom but below neversoft and other tom :~D

[le harry]

the KKK stick to more traditional forms of gaining rep which doesn't involve befriending the whole forum to love you ! we get our rep like men !

[Immenseman]

harry, that was so 2008

ppl dont like me nemore

HEARTBROKEN.

[le harry]

as if. you're the hero of spam. IT'S PRETTY SAD ACTUALLY JAKE i'm disappointed bro.

[Immenseman]

lmao, someone has to look after hxf ;l

[le harry]

jen was doing a fine job.

[Immenseman]

whos that

[le harry]

http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg



Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please do not make pointless posts - Thanks. :)

[e5]

One reallly awesome thing that continued to make me visit this forum was having the ability to change someones attitude or behaviour by giving them reputation, is that case -rep, but it also gave users a sense of acheivment and confidence to say they've done something good or right with a +rep. It was also really fun to check my userCP everyday to see the new comments left and reputation problems are still reported daily so it wouldn't make any more load for the features manager.

Please please please put it back how it used to be :'(

[Immenseman]

One reallly awesome thing that continued to make me visit this forum was having the ability to change someones attitude or behaviour by giving them reputation, is that case -rep, but it also gave users a sense of acheivment and confidence to say they've done something good or right with a +rep. It was also really fun to check my userCP everyday to see the new comments left and reputation problems are still reported daily so it wouldn't make any more load for the features manager.

Please please please put it back how it used to be :'(
right so you want it to go back to how it used to be where people would have 40-50 reputation points. you wouldn't say that when you got 2 -reps from people 30+ of which there would be loads, lol.

[e5]

Yes but I'd make let myself get -reps and if ppl chose to -rep for no reason - i'd report it :).
If I behave I don't need to worry about bad reps :D

[Immenseman]

Yeah I was just pointing it out because clearly you like reputation because it's in the middle of your signature. It isn't just you though, if someone gets -repped by 3 or 4 vast power it's going to hit their rep considerably and take them down 100 points which isn't all that easy to get.

[e5]

They shouldn't be bad on the forum then? :S It's clearly obvious lol

[Robbie]

I personally feel the current reputation system is fine, and is much better than it was before ths changes were implemented. Sure, when it was first implemented there were people complaining that they were bad changes, but looking back now, I think it has worked out fantastically.

It actually shows the users 'reputation' more as it's based on factors such as join date and post count as well as other reputation they have recieved, and obviously if they have been on the forum a long time with a lot of posts and a lot of reputation, you know that they are going to be a good and trustworthy member who has contributed well towards Habbox for the most part.

[joshuar]

Rep is pretty much fine as it is. The only thing that might need changing as people have said throughout the thread is the number you need to spread. I hardly rep anyone so when I do I find I have already "recently" repped them even though it was probably 6 months ago.

With the old system people would moan all the time and that Report Rep thread became a real handful of people reporting negative reputation just to get rid of it when it was in fact valid. Now it is not seen as the "biggest thing on the forum" but simply what it should be, a side feature to the forums.

[Jordy]

I'd get rid of the minus rep system to be honest, I don't think it does the forum any favours. It just causes unrest if anything. There's an infraction system to punish members for breaking rules, there's no need for other members to chip in and give their disapproval through the reputation system. It also causes arguments and 'grudges' on the forum which really isn't needed, especially when people leave a name which isn't theirs. The reputation system does an excellent job in promoting quality posting I imagine and for that reason I think it should stay but I think getting rid of the 'pointless' minus rep system would be a good step.

Very rarely have I heard or experienced it being used properly, the majority of -reps I have I usually get removed so it'd be a burden off the reputation manager in that respect.

I've been thinking of making a thread about this for a while so there it is, it is possible to turn off negative reputation on vBulletin as I've seen it done on other forums.

[Black_Apalachi]

I'd get rid of the minus rep system to be honest, I don't think it does the forum any favours. It just causes unrest if anything. There's an infraction system to punish members for breaking rules, there's no need for other members to chip in and give their disapproval through the reputation system. The reputation system does an excellent job in promoting quality posting I imagine and for that reason I think it should stay but I think getting rid of the 'pointless' minus rep system would be a good step.

Very rarely have I heard or experienced it being used properly, the majority of -reps I have I usually get removed so it'd be a burden off the reputation manager in that respect.

I tend to agree. I think I've had about 2 -reps that weren't removed in my whole time at Habbox. Then again, I imagine there are users who deserve plenty of -rep that they get. So I dunno...

[Jordy]

I tend to agree. I think I've had about 2 -reps that weren't removed in my whole time at Habbox. Then again, I imagine there are users who deserve plenty of -rep that they get. So I dunno...I'd say it's never deserved, they either deserve to be punished by the rules and that should be sufficient. If someone disagrees with them or is upset by them they should either Quote them to argue their point or PM them instead of being such a coward to -rep them anonymously because they disagree or something similarly trivial.

[e5]

If anything, it should just be altered to bring more change to Habbox. Make it easier to go up rep power and blocks.

[Alkaz]

When reporting your reputation you give the Forum Administrators the right to check through your reputation and remove ANY pointless reputation, good or bad and delete it from your total. Please remember this before using this thread.
Surely if the rep system was to be altered slightly then this point should be checked more. A couple of years ago when Nick- was administrator incharge of this, someone reported a -rep I had given them and it turned out to be pointless so nick checked my rep points going back only 30 days and removed 600+ pointless +rep points. I was quiet devistated as I took quiet a blow to my 27rep power at the time, it certainly stopped me from pointlessly repping people from then. Surely if this was to enforced more then it would combat pointless repping just to get your rep points/power up?

[Black_Apalachi]

Surely if the rep system was to be altered slightly then this point should be checked more. A couple of years ago when Nick- was administrator incharge of this, someone reported a -rep I had given them and it turned out to be pointless so nick checked my rep points going back only 30 days and removed 600+ pointless +rep points. I was quiet devistated as I took quiet a blow to my 27rep power at the time, it certainly stopped me from pointlessly repping people from then. Surely if this was to enforced more then it would combat pointless repping just to get your rep points/power up?

Hang on, your rep was checked because somebody else reported a rep they had received? i didn't know they did that. I thought they just removed any poitless rep they happened to see along side the one that was reported, rather than searching for it in either of the accounts concerned.

[--ss--]

I just scrolled down the page and i've noticed most people actually have quite high rep powers anyway lol :s

[jackass]

Who cares if peoples rep powers go up? It gives newer members more of a chance to get a higher rep power, and gives frequent members a slightly higher rep power - what's the harm in that?!

[Alkaz]

If admins had a rep power of 100 then people with 50rep power would still be pretty low compared to their total awsomness.

[Mickword]

A lot of 'older' people have posted in this thread :).

[lick]

A lot of 'older' people have posted in this thread :).

Great Observation

[Catzsy]

Well as an oldie I have kept out of it until now. I was opposed to the reputation changes myself buy once I understood why I could see the logic behind and the reasons which were pretty valid. It took awhile to get used to but I am happy with it as it stands now really except perhaps how long it takes to be able te rep someone again which is a tad harsh I believe. Apart from that it's fine as it is in my opinion.

[Black_Apalachi]

I just scrolled down the page and i've noticed most people actually have quite high rep powers anyway lol :s

Yeah leave rep as it is ;).


Who cares if peoples rep powers go up? It gives newer members more of a chance to get a higher rep power, and gives frequent members a slightly higher rep power - what's the harm in that?!

Cos people try to bribe poor Jakey :P.

[N!ck]

Well as far as I remember it used to be 200 rep points per rep power. It was fine as the forum was young as people didn't have loads of rep, so not much rep power. Then people started getting powers of like 15-20 and I think a group of friends stated repping eachother consistenly meaning it took only a few days to go up a rep power and not long after people started getting like 40+ rep powers meaning it only took a few reps to go up a power. (this might not be true, but it's what I thought at the time).

On the other side of it those with high rep powers are also able to make massive differences to the rep points of newer members by negative repping and it could be used as a form of bullying (I don't know if this was true, just my theorisong).

I think the system is fine as it is for now, but maybe in a few years will need altering again?

[Yoshimitsui]

Well as far as I remember it used to be 200 rep points per rep power. It was fine as the forum was young as people didn't have loads of rep, so not much rep power. Then people started getting powers of like 15-20 and I think a group of friends stated repping eachother consistenly meaning it took only a few days to go up a rep power and not long after people started getting like 40+ rep powers meaning it only took a few reps to go up a power. (this might not be true, but it's what I thought at the time).

On the other side of it those with high rep powers are also able to make massive differences to the rep points of newer members by negative repping and it could be used as a form of bullying (I don't know if this was true, just my theorisong).

I think the system is fine as it is for now, but maybe in a few years will need altering again?

Couldn't have put it better myself, 100% agree.

[e5]

It was the KKK's fault for the rep changes cos they all repped each other to get higher rep powers lol

[Nemo]

It was the KKK's fault for the rep changes cos they all repped each other to get higher rep powers lol
That never happened, be quiet. :8

[Alkaz]

Hang on, your rep was checked because somebody else reported a rep they had received? i didn't know they did that. I thought they just removed any poitless rep they happened to see along side the one that was reported, rather than searching for it in either of the accounts concerned.
Ye, well nick- did, I pointless repped someone which got removed so he just checked mine and well ye then removed 600 points and said thats the 2nd largest amount of pointless rep he's ever removed. But as far as I am aware, me and Jesus were the only two people to have so much removed :P

[Black_Apalachi]

Naughty Joseph :$.