this is starting to become a problem

[clueless]

its just right because im going to art college basically next year everyone thinks im really into art.
and dont get me wrong i was, and i do really like art but its not my main passion?

i have two main interests and theyre art and playing my guitar

and recently because ive started to songwrite, ive written lots of lyrics and bits of songs and then made loads of little tunes i feel as if thats all i want to do lol.
i really just am looking foward to the future because i want to be in a band, im not looking foward to becoming some sort of artist like everyone expects of me

and i wouldnt think it would have bothered me that people think i have different ambitions to what i do but recently its all thats been drummed into me lol

everything i hear is about selling paintings and becoming an artist, because EVERYONE keeps going on about the brit school. and now im doing this work exp like today we did a photoshoot and i was more interested in the band and wanted to be in a band in future weheras everyone thought i was really into the photography and wanted to be a photographer :{

and this week i just know its all gonna be directed towards doing something with art

and its just beginning to get to me as its making me not really want to do the brit school anymore, i just want to drop out and do music.

its not as if i have some burning desire to be famous, its really not like that lmao i just want to write music and play my guitar and i know it seems stupid because its such a hard proffesion to get into

idk it just feels right

but no one else thinks so :{

[Catzsy]

Well you should do what makes you happy at the moment - see where that takes you. There really isn't any point carrying on with something that you do not have your heart in. You may change your mind again of course. That can happen but just go with the flow at the moment. You have years ahead of you anyway and always remember that you have the right to change your mind at any given time. :)

[Jackk]

dont let people tell you what to do. if you want to do it, do it. if it makes you happy youd be silly not to pursue it.

[Toughened]

What's wrong with doing both? Double the enjoyment :)

[LuketheDuke]

maybe your at a crossroads and you need to excercise some control on one of the two disciplines which your good at. If their potential careers then you gotta be realistic with yourself at what you can succeed at but also take into account where most passion lies.

[Misawa]

Go for art, you get can a job and have a fallback. Chances are heavily against you that you're going to have a career in music, I'm sorry to say. You need a fallback.

[uje]

Music a business that is hard to get into? When I hear that you make it sound like all music is singing on the charts or in a band playing to thousands of people or more. Well sorry to disappoint but that is not all music is. I mean yeah music has that side to it and that side is bias and you will only get noticed if you are in the right place or right time or even if you know people who have already made it.

If you went and studied music there is a wide range of what you can do, you could go to the technical side of bands and pop stars and actually be a guitar tech or you could even go into teaching guitar for schools, colleges or even at the place you went and studied. Or you could go and make music which can go into library files for people making films / television shows can go pick out your music, or you can go into producing. Or making music for popular artists. There is more, how about working in music shops? Or doing work in music recording or sampling? Or working at the technical side of live shows doing sound checks. The possibilities are endless.

And there is art. Do all art students go out make money that gets them a living? No. The joy about being able to study these artistic subjects is that they are something you can be very passionate about; many people take them because they are actually passionate about them. So why settle for second best in your happiness if you can possibly go for first! What’s to stop you from using art as your fallback?

There is no guarantee with whatever you study that you will get a job with it.

[camera]

yeah do both. itll be like a day and night thingy. art during the day and music at night u know?

[Skaboy15]

yeah do both. itll be like a day and night thingy. art during the day and music at night u know?

Or vice-versa if he's playing the guitar on a pretty big amp :D

Like everyone has said, it's up to you. I've not left school yet and 'coz of the credit crunch, there're practically no jobs at all in my town. So I might head off to college to study some Music Tech, then find myself a job afterwards and hopefully set up my own studio.

There's a band down here called The Worldonfire, one of their members has a studio in his shed and they recorded their first album there haha. So if you do go into the music industry, that might help you :P

I'm not much of an artist but my best friend is a great artist. He took Art for GCSE, but he soon got bored of it.

[Barwy]

Let me tell you how it is

There is no money in being an artist.
There is no money in being in a band.

Both of these 'career' paths are very high risk and there is a constant chance of complete failure and lack of work, with no guaranteed wage, in fact you would be lucky to live comfortably off either of these choices.

There is no point in painting pretty pictures, exhibiting them and hoping to sell a few. Chances are, it'll take you years to build enough of a reputation to make the canvas you painted on actually be worth more than you bought it for. If you were to take the art route, take the skills and the knowledge from Art as a whole, and apply all of your skills to a job commercially viable with a definite payback. For example becoming a fashion designer, set designer, visual assistant, graphic designer, the list goes on. All of these industries have a point to them and are big buck. You will definitely make a decent living if you took this kind of approach.

There is no point in relying on a band for your income. Why? Because you can't trust other people in a band - people WILL drop out, delay decision making, miss auditions. Stressful. Musicians are at the bottom of the pile. They get paid peanuts for what they do - all the cash goes to management and production. Everyone but the band sees a profit, especially the record company the band is signed to. And don't give me all this mess about 'oh well we'll do it ourselves, we'll stick it out to the bitter end, we're dedicated'. Because you're not. There is no real benefit from being in a band any more, apart from getting noticed in the public eye - which isn't always a good thing. Now, the actual writing of the music is where good money lies. Beyonce doesn't write her music, 13 year old Swiss kids in their bedrooms do. They get rich off copyright.
edit - Session Artists. Google is your best friend!

So all in all mate, that was just a quick breakdown of the facts about what you're getting yourself into. Don't like it and wan't to disagree? Go for it, I know I'm right and only a fool would challenge this post.

edit - Upon reviewing this thread, Catzsy that was a REAL unhelpful post you made

[Lost]

Perhaps to something like Music in the daytime, and then at night do Art.

[Barwy]

Maybe a post with a little more substance next time?

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please leave the moderating to the moderators. Thanks.

[Tristan]

Both of these 'career' paths are very high risk and there is a constant chance of complete failure and lack of work, with no guaranteed wage, in fact you would be lucky to live comfortably off either of these choices.

edit - Upon reviewing this thread, Catzsy that was a REAL unhelpful post you made
Agreed.

Go for art, you get can a job and have a fallback. Chances are heavily against you that you're going to have a career in music, I'm sorry to say. You need a fallback.
Agreed.

i know it seems stupid because its such a hard proffesion to get into

Agreed.

You can do both? You have your own time to do whatever you want, write songs, play the guitar.

Do the art thing.

[Catzsy]

Let me tell you how it is

There is no money in being an artist.
There is no money in being in a band.

Both of these 'career' paths are very high risk and there is a constant chance of complete failure and lack of work, with no guaranteed wage, in fact you would be lucky to live comfortably off either of these choices.

There is no point in painting pretty pictures, exhibiting them and hoping to sell a few. Chances are, it'll take you years to build enough of a reputation to make the canvas you painted on actually be worth more than you bought it for. If you were to take the art route, take the skills and the knowledge from Art as a whole, and apply all of your skills to a job commercially viable with a definite payback. For example becoming a fashion designer, set designer, visual assistant, graphic designer, the list goes on. All of these industries have a point to them and are big buck. You will definitely make a decent living if you took this kind of approach.

There is no point in relying on a band for your income. Why? Because you can't trust other people in a band - people WILL drop out, delay decision making, miss auditions. Stressful. Musicians are at the bottom of the pile. They get paid peanuts for what they do - all the cash goes to management and production. Everyone but the band sees a profit, especially the record company the band is signed to. And don't give me all this mess about 'oh well we'll do it ourselves, we'll stick it out to the bitter end, we're dedicated'. Because you're not. There is no real benefit from being in a band any more, apart from getting noticed in the public eye - which isn't always a good thing. Now, the actual writing of the music is where good money lies. Beyonce doesn't write her music, 13 year old Swiss kids in their bedrooms do. They get rich off copyright.
edit - Session Artists. Google is your best friend!

So all in all mate, that was just a quick breakdown of the facts about what you're getting yourself into. Don't like it and wan't to disagree? Go for it, I know I'm right and only a fool would challenge this post'.

edit - Upon reviewing this thread, Catzsy that was a REAL unhelpful post you made

In what way was it unhelpful? Why should people be so negative. He is only young and quite honestly you know very little about the music business to be able to say 'only a fool would challenge this post'.

[JACKTARD]

if you really cant decide then flip a coin

[Lost]

Maybe a post with a little more substance next time?

Edited by Catzsy [Forum Super Moderator]: Please leave the moderating to the moderators. Thanks.

***** TOLD.

[Barwy]

In what way was it unhelpful? Why should people be so negative. He is only young and quite honestly you know very little about the music business to be able to say 'only a fool would challenge this post'.

I know very little about the music industry? Haha Hey, hang on, wait, have you ever met me in real life? Gosh..some people on here..

Back to the topic in hand,
Banksy is a no good graffiti artist, yet his works have been known to sell for more than Picasso paintings (thousands and thousands of pounds for those of you who need that extra inch of simplicity)

[Lost]

I know very little about the music industry? Haha Hey, hang on, wait, have you ever met me in real life? Gosh..some people on here..

Back to the topic in hand,
Banksy is a no good graffiti artist, yet his works have been known to sell for more than Picasso paintings (thousands and thousands of pounds for those of you who need that extra inch of simplicity)

Seriously, it's people like you that made me quit HxF a few months back. It's just so annoying how some people think they know it all. Who are you to actually give some sort of feedback on my post? Sorry if I don't spent about 10 minutes writing 4 paragraphs on how I think i'm amazing and above whoever made this thread. :S

[Barwy]

yew shud take teh interwebs less srsly, SRSLY!

1. I know more than you
2. I am better than you
3. I rule the world
4. I own Bill Gates, he washes my floors

[Lost]

i should take it less seriously? says 1,774 post count :S

and I know i'm older and more superior than you so you can just shut the ** up right there, thank u hun!!

[Barwy]

'Join Date: Jul 2005' ... and it isn't even a high post count

If you're any older than I am you are weird for using this forum

[Lost]

You're weird for being on this for 4 years now :S...

xoxxoxoxoxoxo and since I am better than you i'm going to walk away xoxoxoxoxoxxo

on topic: do what i said earlier with music in day art at night or vice versa

[Barwy]

You just insulted a whole load of users in one sweeping statement there, Well done!

on topic: dont do music in the day and art at night or vice versa :)

[Catzsy]

I know very little about the music industry? Haha Hey, hang on, wait, have you ever met me in real life? Gosh..some people on here..

Back to the topic in hand,
Banksy is a no good graffiti artist, yet his works have been known to sell for more than Picasso paintings (thousands and thousands of pounds for those of you who need that extra inch of simplicity)

Actually I can back up what I said because my family have worked in the music business for many years. You have given a stereotypical view of what the music industry is supposed to be like with very little actual knowledge of it. Creative people have an urge to follow the path - its not all about money. Its about the need to fulfill their creativity. Lots of things in life are high risk but if they took your advice nobody would take the chance to develop their creativity. Some people who follow that path make a really good living and others do go on to great wealth. A higher than average failure rate is not
a reason for somebody not to give it a try. Whats the worst that can happen? He could be an accomplished musician and songwriter, maybe. Thats open lots of doors in his own right from teaching/lecturing in music to
making a very good living in a covers band if all else failed.

[Barwy]

You are too happy for my liking