Anime, Pirating & the Economy!

[Southe,]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YYJ5DiIrn0
Just a CNN report on anime and pirating etc. Shows bunch of series including OP a few times ^^ but yea just something to watch and discuss i guess.

Only anime i download is ones i cant get on dvd. most of the time.

[Neversoft]

I download all my anime because I'm cool. I buy it on DVD if it is truly worth it.

[Axel]

I don't have the money to buy anime... some of it is really expensive for the amount you get.

[Neversoft]

Anime is overpriced in stores, but online you can get a good few bargins.

[Southe,]

Yea, online is much better. and america is even better lol.

They have more box sets/season sets so more for your money.

[Neversoft]

I disagree. Australia probably has the best boxsets, the UK comes second. Claymore, Death Note, Gurren Lagann... we get 9 episodes per volume while the US gets only 4 or 5.

[Southe,]

nah us does. And they stopped doing that ages ago. They get 12-14 per volume now

[Jord]

I just stream mine,

Can't be bothered to wait for it to download, So I just stream

[Neversoft]

nah us does. And they stopped doing that ages ago. They get 12-14 per volume now

The UK has better boxsets and DVDS overall.


I just stream mine,

Can't be bothered to wait for it to download, So I just stream

Phoanime.com - best streaming quality

[Jord]

The UK has better boxsets and DVDS overall.



Phoanime.com - best streaming quality


Cheers :)

[Southe,]

lol we have MANGA so no we don't.

US has blu ray and the special edition of the girl who leapt through time. we only have the dvd.

US get alot more series than we do. the only thing i thought was better was that we were getting more dvds releasing with 12-13 eps. but the us do that now aswell. or even better just sell them in seasons.

We don't even have dragonball dvds which to most would be the most popular anime ( or most over rated ) ever. yet we dont even have any dvds out here. Only reason we don't have DB/Z or OP here is because MANGA are to cheap to pay for it. "because we might not make a return" course they would >.>

So yes. US is just better and in general the quality of the dvds are better. Relevations i like tho. FMA sets i got where good

[Neversoft]

I've explained time and time again how Manga aren't actually that bad, but you're having none of it, are you? :P It's your personal preference though. No one else views Manga Entertainment as a bad aspect of the anime industry. They distributed a ton of great series and movies over here which I'm sure 99.9% of anime fans are happy about.

We have a special edition of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, but it's a HMV exclusive so Amazon don't list it. Here (http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=885472) it is. I don't care for BluRay and quite frankly it's overpriced, so I don't mind the fact we don't have any BluRay anime over here.

Of course they do, it's a bigger country an the anime market over here is very small in comparison, but I'm not on about the amount of series we have, I'm on about the DVDs.

Blame Funimation for that. They could easily release Dragon Ball Z and One Piece over here but they don't. I don't blame Manga to be honest. They already have Death Note, Bleach and Naruto. Three of the most popular shounens ever that probably cost a bomb to license and distribute to such a small market.

I disagree, once again. We have better quality DVDs. As I've stated before, I believe distributors to the UK actually try hard to make their DVDs good because of the very small market. They need to appeal to people. Whereas in the US the anime market is huge, and distributors don't need to convince fans to buy the DVDs. Hence why they released Gurren Lagann with only Japanese audio and english subtitles, and absolutely no extras. Over here they feel the need to give us huge boxsets packed with extras and memorabilia.

This is never going to end though because you obviously greatly prefer the US, and I obviously greatly prefer the UK. Personal preference, that's all it comes down to.

[Niall!]

ALL HAIL BRITTANIA

[Nemo]

ALL HAIL BRITTANIA
im with nail on this one.

[Southe,]

I've explained time and time again how Manga aren't actually that bad, but you're having none of it, are you? :P It's your personal preference though

It is mine and i stand by it. like i said before the dvds ive had have all been bad or had something wrong with them.


No one else views Manga Entertainment as a bad aspect of the anime industry. They distributed a ton of great series and movies over here which I'm sure 99.9% of anime fans are happy about.

Dont make up fake statistics ;) lol but yes im sure the majority of people are but im sure theres a handful of people that agree with me.
- Ive had naruto dvds freeze, subbing the dub.
- Bleach they made a few typos on cases and didnt lable them correctly [ Minor but meh ]
- Death Note when ever there was a moment when it was silent there was a crackling sound which was very off putting.
- Girl.. time not subbing certain parts. and they do it for other series aswell. when theres a few peolpe talking at once they sometimes don't sub them just one of them.

Just a few reasons. may be minor reasons but still distrupt my veiwing of them.


We have a special edition of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, but it's a HMV exclusive so Amazon don't list it. Here (http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=885472) it is. I don't care for BluRay and quite frankly it's overpriced, so I don't mind the fact we don't have any BluRay anime over here.

Meh, other series tho so that was a bad example. And u agree blu rays are to expensive but for some movies having the blu ray would make it look more stunning.


Of course they do, it's a bigger country an the anime market over here is very small in comparison, but I'm not on about the amount of series we have, I'm on about the DVDs.

Even so there dvds would be better since they have mroe people willing to buy them.


Blame Funimation for that. They could easily release Dragon Ball Z and One Piece over here but they don't. I don't blame Manga to be honest. They already have Death Note, Bleach and Naruto. Three of the most popular shounens ever that probably cost a bomb to license and distribute to such a small market.

No. Funimation went through the trouble of getting it, Dubbing it, Subbing it. So they can put a price tag of what they feel all the work is worth. MANGA stated that they didnt buy it because of prices. But they would have made a ton with selling the entire dragonball series. they lost there chance now tho because everyone just got the seasons sets from the US.

Manga for being to cheap. DB is bigger than those 3 so the money would be worth it with the amount of stuff they would be able to put out. All 3 of them have crap dubs so mayb the got a discount who knows. lol.


I disagree, once again. We have better quality DVDs. As I've stated before, I believe distributors to the UK actually try hard to make their DVDs good because of the very small market. They need to appeal to people. Whereas in the US the anime market is huge, and distributors don't need to convince fans to buy the DVDs.

Actually they do have to try. Hence why they have all these cons. think the con season is finishing or finished. The companys in america have to dub it and sub it. all companys do over here is buy it and slap on there logo. but production faults lie with them like the crackling noise on death note.


Hence why they released Gurren Lagann with only Japanese audio and english subtitles, and absolutely no extras. Over here they feel the need to give us huge boxsets packed with extras and memorabilia.

So theres no dub? sure i read somewhere that there was a dub..


This is never going to end though because you obviously greatly prefer the US, and I obviously greatly prefer the UK. Personal preference, that's all it comes down to.

Indeed it does. id eb a very happy person if funi distrubuted here or revelations did it all for them. black cat was done by someone else.. *looks* Mvm meh.

[Neversoft]

It is mine and i stand by it. like i said before the dvds ive had have all been bad or had something wrong with them.

And in my opinion Manga aren't so bad and I stabd buy it. Soem of my DVDs have minor mistakes. But they're MINOR. They're only human.


Dont make up fake statistics ;) lol but yes im sure the majority of people are but im sure theres a handful of people that agree with me.
- Ive had naruto dvds freeze, subbing the dub.
- Bleach they made a few typos on cases and didnt lable them correctly [ Minor but meh ]
- Death Note when ever there was a moment when it was silent there was a crackling sound which was very off putting.
- Girl.. time not subbing certain parts. and they do it for other series aswell. when theres a few peolpe talking at once they sometimes don't sub them just one of them.

Just a few reasons. may be minor reasons but still distrupt my veiwing of them.

I said I'm sure, I am not making up fake statistics. I stated it was my thought.

- They do not sub the dub for Naruto and that is a fact. They used to do that for their olds series such as Ghost in the Shell years ago. They do not do it anymore since they received overwhelming complaints from fans. Also, prove their is a fault in the disc. It could be your DVD player.
- They're only human. Every company makes mistakes. EVER company.
- Doesn't happen with my DVD.
- That's probably a fault in production. They wouldn't leave out parts, they translate the entire script. They can't check every single disc though, so if there is a small problem in production it's going to be on every disc until they redo it. That isn't the staffs fault, blame the machines!


Meh, other series tho so that was a bad example. And u agree blu rays are to expensive but for some movies having the blu ray would make it look more stunning.

There are no 'other series'. If theres a special edition available, they're going to release it. 98% of anime would be pointless in BluRay. Only certain movies would benefit from it but as I said before, it's overpriced and I'm happy with the quality of normal DVDs.

It's not like BluRay is that popular yet anyway. Maybe once BluRay replaces DVDs, then they should start selling BluRay anime over here but now in this day and age they're only going to lose profit.


Even so there dvds would be better since they have mroe people willing to buy them.

Your logic doesn't make any sense. Their DVDs wouldn't be any better just because more people are already willing to buy them, it would be the opposite. People are already willing to buy the DVDs so whats the point in adding fancy extras and releasing special edition sets.


No. Funimation went through the trouble of getting it, Dubbing it, Subbing it. So they can put a price tag of what they feel all the work is worth. MANGA stated that they didnt buy it because of prices. But they would have made a ton with selling the entire dragonball series. they lost there chance now tho because everyone just got the seasons sets from the US.

I'm assume you're oblivious to the fact that Manga Entertainment also license, dub and sub series just as Funimation do. So by your logic they are also allowed to put a price tag of what they feel all the work is worth. Wheres your proof they would have made a profit? You're making up fake statistics. It's a long series that would require a lot of work. Basically it's more than they can handle and they should be worried about money problems. We're in a recession. They're not going to take any risks.


Manga for being to cheap. DB is bigger than those 3 so the money would be worth it with the amount of stuff they would be able to put out. All 3 of them have crap dubs so mayb the got a discount who knows. lol.

Death Note has an alright dub and the voice cast are both popular and famous. I doubt any discounts were given.


Actually they do have to try. Hence why they have all these cons. think the con season is finishing or finished. The companys in america have to dub it and sub it. all companys do over here is buy it and slap on there logo. but production faults lie with them like the crackling noise on death note.

We have conventions as well, you know. Although I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with companies actually trying to make their DVDs good. Just because America have more conventions than the UK doesn't change the fact that they don't put the same amount of effort into their DVDs than the UK does. Covnentions are just a means of fast and easy distribution. Millions of fans are going to be there so they don't need to produce special sets or anything, people will buy it anyway.

A lot of companies that sell anime over here also sell anime in the US. Subbing and dubbing is irrelevant. It's the same company. Comapanies that do buy American licensed series for distribution over here pay more because work has already been done on the DVD. UK companies get the same deal every other company in the world gets. Why do you assume the UK have it easy?


So theres no dub? sure i read somewhere that there was a dub..

They re-released it with a dub, but at first they churned it out as fast as possible with only the sub for a quick buck.


Indeed it does. id eb a very happy person if funi distrubuted here or revelations did it all for them. black cat was done by someone else.. *looks* Mvm meh.

MVM are good. They distributed Paranoia Agent. Flawless subs, good extras. I have no complaints.

[Southe,]

And in my opinion Manga aren't so bad and I stabd buy it. Soem of my DVDs have minor mistakes. But they're MINOR. They're only human..

I said they were minor well the bleach one anyway


I said I'm sure, I am not making up fake statistics. I stated it was my thought.

- They do not sub the dub for Naruto and that is a fact. They used to do that for their olds series such as Ghost in the Shell years ago. They do not do it anymore since they received overwhelming complaints from fans. Also, prove their is a fault in the disc. It could be your DVD player.
- They're only human. Every company makes mistakes. EVER company.
- Doesn't happen with my DVD.
- That's probably a fault in production. They wouldn't leave out parts, they translate the entire script. They can't check every single disc though, so if there is a small problem in production it's going to be on every disc until they redo it. That isn't the staffs fault, blame the machines!.

They did for the early dvds and now the sub is just changed slightly, As i said bleach was minor, well on various tvs and dvd players it does. ill find an example later on for you. Well they need better machiens then don't they :)


There are no 'other series'. If theres a special edition available, they're going to release it. 98% of anime would be pointless in BluRay. Only certain movies would benefit from it but as I said before, it's overpriced and I'm happy with the quality of normal DVDs..

Thats what i said certain movies. not movies like akira etc with the "remastered". Newer films do look 10x better but the price is the problem.


It's not like BluRay is that popular yet anyway. Maybe once BluRay replaces DVDs, then they should start selling BluRay anime over here but now in this day and age they're only going to lose profit..

Nah quite alot of people i know buy blu ray anime. its only newer series or short series that get released in blu ray tho. im intrested to see if funi release OP in blu ray when they read the HD episodes.


Your logic doesn't make any sense. Their DVDs wouldn't be any better just because more people are already willing to buy them, it would be the opposite. People are already willing to buy the DVDs so whats the point in adding fancy extras and releasing special edition sets..

didnt say anything about fancy extras there :S or if i did i cant see it. hate having multiple bits to reply to ;-;


I'm assume you're oblivious to the fact that Manga Entertainment also license, dub and sub series just as Funimation do. So by your logic they are also allowed to put a price tag of what they feel all the work is worth. Wheres your proof they would have made a profit? You're making up fake statistics. It's a long series that would require a lot of work. Basically it's more than they can handle and they should be worried about money problems. We're in a recession. They're not going to take any risks..

And what did they do all that for then? and yes if they do dub and sub it them selfs they should eb able to sell it but no one would buy because they buy from japan if they plan to dub it in there native language, I don't know how english speaking dubs work out tho. Since all the dubs are normaly from US.

Funi said it was to expensive before they did the season sets. Now they have them. Spain has been relasing them, France and germany are starting or have started. Im sure MANGA have enough to buy them. Could have easily made there money back with the amount they would have gotten with it


Death Note has an alright dub and the voice cast are both popular and famous. I doubt any discounts were given..

Im sure youve said how horrible the dub was in the past. And only one i know is brian drummond. well we won't know what they got it for but meh.



We have conventions as well, you know. Although I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with companies actually trying to make their DVDs good. Just because America have more conventions than the UK doesn't change the fact that they don't put the same amount of effort into their DVDs than the UK does. Covnentions are just a means of fast and easy distribution. Millions of fans are going to be there so they don't need to produce special sets or anything, people will buy it anyway..

CBA typing anymore. I dont know fo any UK dubs only american dubs. and when i see dvds there always dubs from america so all they have to do is encode it blah blah and put it on a dvd. and sell. where as people beforehand had to make the dub.


A lot of companies that sell anime over here also sell anime in the US. Subbing and dubbing is irrelevant. It's the same company. Comapanies that do buy American licensed series for distribution over here pay more because work has already been done on the DVD. UK companies get the same deal every other company in the world gets. Why do you assume the UK have it easy?.

Because all the series ive seen from most of these groups are done in america. thats why. Do you know of any UK dubs?


They re-released it with a dub, but at first they churned it out as fast as possible with only the sub for a quick buck.

KK



MVM are good. They distributed Paranoia Agent. Flawless subs, good extras. I have no complaints.

Indeed.

[Neversoft]

I've said that some of the dub for Death Note is horrible notably L's voice, but overall it's a decent effort. Light's VA is good. Also, if Funimation said it was expensive to release Dragon Ball Z well there you go... you just answered your own question. Manga don't have as much money as Funimation, they can't afford it.

A lot of older series have UK dubs when companies did everything on their own. These days though UK companies pay more to use the American dub when they release the series over here. As I said before though, most companies that distribute anime in the UK are actually America companies. Take Beez for example. They're a subsidiary of Bandai. Bandai release the series in the US, and they then release it in the UK via Beez. Believe it or not, but the same goes for Manga Entertainment as well. They are a subsidiary of Starz Media, which is an American distribution company. If they want to release an anime they already own (in the US) in the UK, they won't have to pay any extra because their company has already produced the dub, not another company. Pretty much all UK anime distribution companies are subsidiaries of larger American companies, that way they save money.

As for my opinion on proper English dubs done by English people - it's the way forward! I've only seen one English dub which was for an old series called Urusei Yatsura, but honestly it was very good. But unfortunately unless a UK-only anime distributor with money to waste comes into the picture, English anime dubs will never exist in this day and age. Although I seem to remember reading somewhere how D.Gray-Man had a few British voice actors doing the dub. Whether it's authentic or actually faked by an American I don't know.

[Southe,]

No i meant the dragon boxes. Funi already have dbz etc. Dragon boxes were remastered frame by frame none of this kai crap. thats why it was so expensive but lots of people have payed for it.

I see.

Sure its fake i have the DGM dvd so meh didnt sound to English. <- i say english because scottish people have a diffrent accent as i found out in london ^^; The girls love my scottish accent :P

I dont like MANGA you do. end of argument :D

All done. lol.

[PaulMacC]

I torrent Bleach, Naruto, Gintama weekly.
I watch everything streamed.
I'll buy DVD's when Im older and have a job but right now I just cant afford it.

[Neversoft]

There hasn't been a torrent for a new Gintama episode in six weeks. HorribleSubs are no more.

[Nemo]

There hasn't been a torrent for a new Gintama episode in six weeks. HorribleSubs are no more.
Doesnt matter rly, i can wait 1 extra week to watch a gintama episode.

[Neversoft]

I know it doesn't matter and I actually prefer watching it on crunchyroll now I realize how good the quality on there is.

[uje]

I normally stream all my anime unless I am going on a trip then I just torrent as much as I can the week before and hope I don't run out of things to watch. I really don't have the bandwidth and patience with torrents going all the time so I prefer just to stream, I don't really ever go back and re watch an anime. (Unless its Serial Experiments Lain, but that’s because the first load of times it confused me allot :P) Most of the time though I would stream because its faster :) I do however buy the DVDs of any anime that I really love like FMA.

[Niall!]

There hasn't been a torrent for a new Gintama episode in six weeks. HorribleSubs are no more.

Other groups are ripping gintama from crunchyroll, I have the entire pixel arc apart from 170, which I'm downloading now.

[Neversoft]

Other groups are ripping gintama from crunchyroll, I have the entire pixel arc apart from 170, which I'm downloading now.

When did this start happening? Did they start ripping from episode 165, where HorribleSubs stopped?

[Niall!]

When did this start happening? Did they start ripping from episode 165, where HorribleSubs stopped?

I'm not sure, I only bothered to download the latest Tama arc.

[Neversoft]

A group called AL-TTZ are releasing HQ 720p episodes from where HorribleSubs stopped. They seem to be ripping the subs from crunchyroll and then remuxing them to a better raw. Downloading them now. :D