Super Size Zero: Healthy Image?

[Clowgon]

I don't think so, i don't think no one looks good tbh being a super size 0.

I walk around and i see people who are just look like sticks.... their bones clearly visible and it's just not nice to look at.

It's strange how mostly girls adopt this image because they think it's cool.

[Gnome]

it's 100% ugly. No exceptions.

[Caution]

It's not attractive, slim, fair enough but size zero is just obsessive.

[FlyingJesus]

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5563787,00.jpg

Looks good to me. The media hatred of skinny girls is in my view horrible. How anyone can look at someone like Beth Ditto and say "ok she's overweight but at least she's happy" and then switch to a Kate Moss picture and say "that's disgusting, she shouldn't be doing that to herself" is beyond me.

Fair play you can find plenty of size 0 girls who look rank but you can find people of all shapes and sizes who are ugly, so that really proves nothing. Personally I like a girl of size 8 and below ("size 0" is a size 4 in England, remember)

[lick]

i think its ok as long as they dont look rank

and being fat aint healty either
look at beth like said above

http://www.fujirockers.com/blog/BethDitto_The_Gossip.jpg

[Inspiration]

i think its ok as long as they dont look rank

and being fat aint healty either
look at beth like said above

http://www.fujirockers.com/blog/BethDitto_The_Gossip.jpg

Ain't she flexible :lol:

It's the pressure put on girls that makes them want to be size "0"
Like celeb's etc..

[buttons]

argh it annoys me how everyone defends fat people with "at least they're happy" and "big is beautiful" in my opinion bones are beautiful :) i think all thin people look better, you can't say thin people are gross and big people aren't. there are actually naturally thin people, yes, naturally THAT thin, some people don't get into modelling because they're underweight which isn't fair at all because they're stopping them from their "dream" whereas big people are encouraged to do it. all the disgusting people you see are way smaller than size zero, not all size zeros are stick thin and bones popping out, depends on other things. although i think size 8+ is HEALTHY looking i still like the look of thinner people. no matter if size zero's are in the spotlight people are gonna be pressured into changing how they look all the time. anyone who disagrees is probably fat or in denial.

[FlyingJesus]

argh it annoys me how everyone defends fat people with "at least they're happy" and "big is beautiful" in my opinion bones are beautiful :) i think all thin people look better, you can't say thin people are gross and big people aren't. there are actually naturally thin people, yes, naturally THAT thin, some people don't get into modelling because they're underweight which isn't fair at all because they're stopping them from their "dream" whereas big people are encouraged to do it. all the disgusting people you see are way smaller than size zero, not all size zeros are stick thin and bones popping out, depends on other things. although i think size 8+ is HEALTHY looking i still like the look of thinner people. no matter if size zero's are in the spotlight people are gonna be pressured into changing how they look all the time. anyone who disagrees is probably fat or in denial.

Loving IT xoxo

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[GordonBanks]

argh it annoys me how everyone defends fat people with "at least they're happy" and "big is beautiful" in my opinion bones are beautiful :) i think all thin people look better, you can't say thin people are gross and big people aren't. there are actually naturally thin people, yes, naturally THAT thin, some people don't get into modelling because they're underweight which isn't fair at all because they're stopping them from their "dream" whereas big people are encouraged to do it. all the disgusting people you see are way smaller than size zero, not all size zeros are stick thin and bones popping out, depends on other things. although i think size 8+ is HEALTHY looking i still like the look of thinner people. no matter if size zero's are in the spotlight people are gonna be pressured into changing how they look all the time. anyone who disagrees is probably fat or in denial.
you're fat though xx

oj as mods wouldn't be able to tell.

[Catzsy]

you're fat though xx

oj as mods wouldn't be able to tell.

Its only a joke if Buttons says it is. :) There are some very healthy size Os'
I am sure but some of them do look emaciated.

[AlexOC]

I love fat chicks.

[The Professor]

I don't find fat people attractive (like OMG TOO MANY BURGERS fat) but I certainly don't think a girl has to be stick thin to be attractive. Tbh when I can actually wrap my arm once around a girl I get worried I'm going to snap her! I like girls with something to them, like I say not "fat" but not size 0. I know what I mean :P

This is coming from a very skinny person!

[Mentor]

Saying size zeros bad is kinda random as its totally dependant on hight and build, if you took a really tall and really short person both with a healthy weight, short one would be size zero healthy, some people are just smaller without nessarlly just being skinny. Taller person would likely be a larger than average size, but without actually being fat, just generally bigger.

As long as your heathy who cares, some people like skinny girls, others like fat. Most the time though the mid range heathy areas where to aim for.

[ifuseekamy]

The worst thing is when they call obese people 'curvy'. Kelly Brook is curvy, Beth Ditto is just fat. Aside from that, measurements are irrelevant. Some people look good thin and some look good with fat on them.

[Middlesbrough]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/sizezeroDM_468x455.jpg
Size zero wins imo.

[Caution]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/sizezeroDM_468x455.jpg
Size zero wins imo.
Oh God no, she looks like she's just left Auschwitz.

[Mentor]

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_01/sizezeroDM_468x455.jpg
Size zero wins imo.
TBH i'd have no interest in ether, that said the thin person is very thin, the fatter one is a long way off the truly fat people out there. Fact its a decision even when u have the extream of one, and only the heading towards of the other kinda reflects the real opinions here.

People that look healthy look hot, simple as. On the most basic level attraction is based on who would make a suitable mate, looking seriously ill and unhealthy is generally doesn't fit that criteria, regardless of whether its due to being to fat or to thin.

[Callum.]

i like skinny girls. unless you are fat yourself, i find it hard to see why you would like a fat fat girl. there's got to be attraction

[NIKKEE]

I think the whole point of this thread was to say that skinny isn't all that, and most boys have contradicted that. Some of the things I've read are horrible.
To me, a size 10 for girls really is a lovely size. But some people look better with more weight on them, and some people are naturally slim.
But I don't think anyone looks good when they're skinny.
I think bigger women are gorgeous too, look at Dawn French, especially in the earlier episodes of The Vicar of Dibley, she has the most beautiful face and she wouldn't look right any other way.

[Lost]

of course it's not a healthy imagine, it looks very UNHEALTHY being that skinny. I mean fair enough people can eat and eat and eat and still not gain any weight (like my sister) but there is no excuse for size zero's aprart from Vanity or Mental Illness.

[Mentor]

of course it's not a healthy imagine, it looks very UNHEALTHY being that skinny. I mean fair enough people can eat and eat and eat and still not gain any weight (like my sister) but there is no excuse for size zero's aprart from Vanity or Mental Illness.

Plenty of people are size zero and eat perfectly normal amounts and are a perfectly normal size. A tiny diameter on a 20 foot tree may not be normal, but a tiny on on a tree thats barely a foot defiantly isn't. Same applies to people. big people are bigger, small people are smaller. Its all about being proportionate and at the end of the day healthy o.0 Equally the sizes arn't always as small as they sound, most size 0 stuff is supposed to fit tightly, the same build would probably fit the size's up one or two lots just as well, with a less tight fit.

Size 0 is UK size 6 btw.
Size conversion made based on original research from wikipedia talk pages - site content appears to be incorrect. If anything size 0 is slightly bigger than a uk size 6.
Basis for claim:
Hollister size 0: 31.5-24-34 Abercrombie size 0: 31.5-24.5-34.5
Miss Selfridge Size 6: 31-24-33 TopShop Size 6: 31-24.5-33

[AlexOC]

TBH i wouldn't a size 0 GF in public, but i think we all agree in the bedroom we would prefer skinny than fat.

Unless you like buckets.

[NIKKEE]

Size 0 is a UK size 4, you add 4 sizes up from American sizes.
A size 6 in American is a size 10 here.

[Mentor]

Size 0 is a UK size 4, you add 4 sizes up from American sizes.
A size 6 in American is a size 10 here.
I actually included some proof size 6 is the equivalent of size zero in my above post. Its an incorrect assumption that size zero and size 4 are the same.

Here are measurements of two shops size zero cloths
Hollister size 0: 31.5-24-34
Abercrombie size 0: 31.5-24.5-34.5

Notice now these measurements of size 6 cloths in the uk are actually even smaller?
Miss Selfridge Size 6: 31-24-33
TopShop Size 6: 31-24.5-33

[FlyingJesus]

of course it's not a healthy imagine, it looks very UNHEALTHY being that skinny. I mean fair enough people can eat and eat and eat and still not gain any weight (like my sister) but there is no excuse for size zero's aprart from Vanity or Mental Illness.

What's wrong with vanity?

[NIKKEE]

I actually included some proof size 6 is the equivalent of size zero in my above post. Its an incorrect assumption that size zero and size 4 are the same.

Here are measurements of two shops size zero cloths
Hollister size 0: 31.5-24-34
Abercrombie size 0: 31.5-24.5-34.5

Notice now these measurements of size 6 cloths in the uk are actually even smaller?
Miss Selfridge Size 6: 31-24-33
TopShop Size 6: 31-24.5-33

I dunno, I've never heard anything like that.

Here's some other proof.

http://www.net-a-porter.com/intl/SizeChart.ice?productID=46756&tab=size-conversion

[Amberr]

Its not healty at all its revolting, why would people want to be that fin anyway. Its not attractive!

[Niall!]

At least if I wanted to kill a thin person, I could use a gun.
With a fat person, I'd have to use a harpoon.

They're naturally disgusting and if there any fat people reading this, stop lying to yourself. Lose some goddamn weight.

[Browney]

TBH i wouldn't a size 0 GF in public, but i think we all agree in the bedroom we would prefer skinny than fat.

Unless you like buckets.

reverse for me. I'd rather have a larger lady in the bed. It's more of a sexy, womanly shape to me. Obviously not extremely but ask me if I want a size 8 or a size 12 and I know who I'd chose. I've always dated petite girls, mind. Personality > Curves > Bones sticking out.

[Pixet]

Size 0 is a 4. Which isn't as bad as people make it sound.

http://img.mediaspanonline.com/5899/2599930.jpg

"900 (people) thought the size 0 (4), model was a size 12." I think the picture on the right is amazing. There is nothing wrong with it at all. Hate me but we can all have opinions.

I don't agree with wannarexics though.

[Mentor]

I dunno, I've never heard anything like that.

Here's some other proof.

http://www.net-a-porter.com/intl/SizeChart.ice?productID=46756&tab=size-conversion

That chart doesn't appear to include size zero at all, and without measurements its kinda meaningless.

Its a myth that size 0 and 4 are the same, its size 6 thats the equivalent o.o

[Starburst..x]

Personally I think it completely depends on the person's body shape, some people are naturally a size zero but everything is within proportion to their height, weight etc. Therefore just because someone is a size zero, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to look anorexic and unhealthy, as they may just have a petite frame and are as healthy or even healthier than what is seen to be the "normal" size for people to be.
I feel that it is when a person whom may naturally have a bigger frame tries to loose weight to be size zero can start to look anorexic, unhealthy etc, as it is not their 'normal' body size.

[NIKKEE]

That chart doesn't appear to include size zero at all, and without measurements its kinda meaningless.

Its a myth that size 0 and 4 are the same, its size 6 thats the equivalent o.o

I don't see how any of that proves a point though. If someone fits in to a size zero and a size 4 then obviously they are each others equivalent.
I'm pretty sure they haven't just been guessing, and those are what fit people.
From what you said it seems as if you're saying a size 8 is almost an American size zero. This can't possibly be true, since they've only recently started selling size zero in America, because it was such a small size.
I'm pretty sure this was sparked off by Kate Bosworth being so skinny when she was anorexic and they decided other girls are this way so they started stocking it, and over here too, in a size 4.
An average size zero waist is 22 inches, I don't understand why or how it says that on Abercrombie clothes, I looked it up and yes it definitely says all that, but I wouldn't decide that on one shop saying that, as they could be it's own measurements.
All I know is it's pretty common knowledge that UK size 4 is US size 0.
And that a size zero is absolutely not bigger than a UK size 6, size 6 has been on sale here for years, it was size 4 that was brought out the same time as size zero in America.

[Abbie.]

i think it depends on your height

like if your 5' or something and size 0 (size4) it could be the same as someone whos 6' being size 10

if you get what i meannn

[Mentor]

I don't see how any of that proves a point though. If someone fits in to a size zero and a size 4 then obviously they are each others equivalent.

If you can fit in a size 4 and a size 30 does that make them the same size ?


I'm pretty sure they haven't just been guessing, and those are what fit people.
From what you said it seems as if you're saying a size 8 is almost an American size zero. This can't possibly be true, since they've only recently started selling size zero in America, because it was such a small size.
Americans are generally bigger than uk folks.


I'm pretty sure this was sparked off by Kate Bosworth being so skinny when she was anorexic and they decided other girls are this way so they started stocking it, and over here too, in a size 4.
Yet the measurements for size 4 are a good deal smaller than that of size zero?


An average size zero waist is 22 inches, I don't understand why or how it says that on Abercrombie clothes, I looked it up and yes it definitely says all that, but I wouldn't decide that on one shop saying that, as they could be it's own measurements.
All I know is it's pretty common knowledge that UK size 4 is US size 0.
And that a size zero is absolutely not bigger than a UK size 6, size 6 has been on sale here for years, it was size 4 that was brought out the same time as size zero in America.
Please post a product line that stocks a size zero clothing with measurements anything like size 4's?

Ive looked at a number of shops with size zero clothing. Everyone of them has sized there cloths as bigger than the average size 6 in the UK.
Measurements are derived from literally using a tape measure and working out how big something is. By having the same measurements that dictates it must be the same size. I've used 4 well know retailers measurements who are sellling clothing at these sizes branded as both size 6 and zero. If you know of a shop that has a bigger size 6 or a smaller size 0 please post them :)

As of now though, the evidence states size 0 and size 6 are the same size (size 6 is smaller)

[Pixet]

Do sizes only go down to 4?
Otherwise, what would a 2 be if a 6 is 0?

[NIKKEE]

If you can fit in a size 4 and a size 30 does that make them the same size ?


Americans are generally bigger than uk folks.


Yet the measurements for size 4 are a good deal smaller than that of size zero?


Please post a product line that stocks a size zero clothing with measurements anything like size 4's?

Ive looked at a number of shops with size zero clothing. Everyone of them has sized there cloths as bigger than the average size 6 in the UK.
Measurements are derived from literally using a tape measure and working out how big something is. By having the same measurements that dictates it must be the same size. I've used 4 well know retailers measurements who are sellling clothing at these sizes branded as both size 6 and zero. If you know of a shop that has a bigger size 6 or a smaller size 0 please post them :)

As of now though, the evidence states size 0 and size 6 are the same size (size 6 is smaller)

You only showed evidence from shops like Abercrombie and Hollister, those are quite different from other shops. Why not look at real designers?
Also that example from net-a-porter, whilst it only showed the equivalent of a size 6, which it said is a 4, it clearly shows all UK sizes are 4 sizes ahead of American sizes.

Yes American's are bigger, so they wear bigger clothes, that shouldn't mean their UK equivalents are any different.
I really don't think you've proved a point just because you showed the American measurements of Hollister and Abercrombie, two very similar shops which I've always found to be strange in sizes.

[Mentor]

You only showed evidence from shops like Abercrombie and Hollister, those are quite different from other shops. Why not look at real designers?
Also that example from net-a-porter, whilst it only showed the equivalent of a size 6, which it said is a 4, it clearly shows all UK sizes are 4 sizes ahead of American sizes.

Yes American's are bigger, so they wear bigger clothes, that shouldn't mean their UK equivalents are any different.
I really don't think you've proved a point just because you showed the American measurements of Hollister and Abercrombie, two very similar shops which I've always found to be strange in sizes.

Again, post some measurements from another shop that stocks size zero. As far as i can tell, they seem to be the standard. You've shown me nothing to prove otherwize.

Size 6 cloths brought in the UK and generally smaller than size 0 brought in the US. The measurements prove this, unless you have an alternate source in terms of a shop that sells a size zero of smaller measurements you have no basis to question this.

[NIKKEE]

Again, post some measurements from another shop that stocks size zero. As far as i can tell, they seem to be the standard. You've shown me nothing to prove otherwize.

Size 6 cloths brought in the UK and generally smaller than size 0 brought in the US. The measurements prove this, unless you have an alternate source in terms of a shop that sells a size zero of smaller measurements you have no basis to question this.

Why should I not question what you've just said? When every single shop tells me that what fits a size 4 in the UK will fit a size 0 in the US. I think that's proof enough, to show me the measurements of two shops in the US isn't a lot of proof either.

[Mentor]

Why should I not question what you've just said? When every single shop tells me that what fits a size 4 in the UK will fit a size 0 in the US. I think that's proof enough, to show me the measurements of two shops in the US isn't a lot of proof either.

I've provided evidence from a few big brand shops all of which have measurements that demonstrate that is incorrect and that size 6 and size zero are indeed the same.
You keep claiming shops say this 4 is the equivalent of zero, but have yet to quote a single measurement or name a shop that makes any such claim.

Please provide some evidence to back up your claim.

[NIKKEE]

I've provided evidence from a few big brand shops all of which have measurements that demonstrate that is incorrect and that size 6 and size zero are indeed the same.
You keep claiming shops say this 4 is the equivalent of zero, but have yet to quote a single measurement or name a shop that makes any such claim.

Please provide some evidence to back up your claim.

Topshop themselves say that size 0 is the same as size 4,
there's no line, just look at any size guide.
I also showed from net-a-porter, that size 6 is the same as size 2, meaning it isn't size 0.

[Mentor]

Topshop themselves say that size 0 is the same as size 4,
there's no line, just look at any size guide.
I also showed from net-a-porter, that size 6 is the same as size 2, meaning it isn't size 0.

Top shop also lists size 6 as "31-24.5-33"

Now, you'll note seeing as size zero tends to be "31.5-24.5-34.5" This means that the size 6 topshop cloths are SMALLER than size zero Abercrombie ones.

This cannot be deniyed as anyone can look this up. sizes are posted also.

Now those shops can tell you size 0 is the same as a size 40 for all i care, you can tell if its true by taking the cloths and measuring them. Fact is, when measured size 6 and size zero match up.

Again, please post some Measurements from some other shops that differ. As so far everywhere ive checked has claimed what you say, looking at the measurements though its easy to see they are wrong. Basic maths and a tape measure makes this pretty obvious o.o

[NIKKEE]

Top shop also lists size 6 as "31-24.5-33"

Now, you'll note seeing as size zero tends to be "31.5-24.5-34.5" This means that the size 6 topshop cloths are SMALLER than size zero Abercrombie ones.

This cannot be deniyed as anyone can look this up. sizes are posted also.

Now those shops can tell you size 0 is the same as a size 40 for all i care, you can tell if its true by taking the cloths and measuring them. Fact is, when measured size 6 and size zero match up.

Again, please post some Measurements from some other shops that differ. As so far everywhere ive checked has claimed what you say, looking at the measurements though its easy to see they are wrong. Basic maths and a tape measure makes this pretty obvious o.o

You know what? I really have no idea what else to say. I've said the same thing over and over, I don't really care if a UK size 6 can fit into both a 0 or a 2, most folk can squeeze. Maybe you're right, I've got no idea. I'd go by what shops tell me though.

[Mentor]

You know what? I really have no idea what else to say. I've said the same thing over and over, I don't really care if a UK size 6 can fit into both a 0 or a 2, most folk can squeeze. Maybe you're right, I've got no idea. I'd go by what shops tell me though.
Fair doos. I'm just saying the evidence is there so trusting what a shop says aint really necessary. If the petshop owner tells me dogs have 8 legs i'm not gonna take him on his word, i'll count the dogs legs myself.

Alot of retailers want to make size zero sound smaller than it really is due to its often negative image. Hence why shops in the uk pretend the size 6's aint so small, but in reality there even smaller :) Never trust someone who has an incentive to lie :p

[NIKKEE]

Fair doos. I'm just saying the evidence is there so trusting what a shop says aint really necessary. If the petshop owner tells me dogs have 8 legs i'm not gonna take him on his word, i'll count the dogs legs myself.

Alot of retailers want to make size zero sound smaller than it really is due to its often negative image. Hence why shops in the uk pretend the size 6's aint so small, but in reality there even smaller :) Never trust someone who has an incentive to lie :p

Hm, I see your point. Maybe if they were to tell the truth though then, that these people are already size zero, they wouldn't do any more damage to themselves by trying to lose more weight (if that is what they're aiming for). Might encourage people to put on a bit of healthy weight. But judging by this thread, they'd then be considered quite fat :P

[colourpot]

tbh it depends how you look at it. like im a size 6 in jeans, i can fit into size 4 but its abit tight. i'm 5ft 5 i think so i do kind of look strange but im healthy and everything so i dont see the problem, you cant see my ribs or anything. i think its only unhealthy when people are like seriously skinny, no meat on them at all and you can see ribs and everything, but apart from that as long as your healthy its fine imo.

[Danzilla]

Most fat people aren't happy, otherwise they wouldn't always be trying to lose weight.
"Im happy being this size but im still on a diet to lose a couple of pounds"
I don't like super skinny girls, i like curvy girls, not fat though. Big difference.

[Bun]

skinny girls are sick, end of, case closed. sticky out bones are disgusting. i'm not saying i like fat girls, but my god a bit of meat there doesn't hurt?