Contraception

[1xBabyCakesx1]

I absolutely hate it when people say abortion is a form of contraception.
My friend the other day said if she got pregnant she would have an abortion, NO that is not right. I have very strong views on abortion. I hate it.

What are your views?

[AgnesIO]

How old is your friend?

Shes pregnant yet she thinks Abortion is Contraception?

Either very very underage or plain stupid? :P

[1xBabyCakesx1]

She isn't pregnant. She said if she ever DID get pregnant. and yes she is plain stupid. :P She is only 13

[AgnesIO]

She isn't pregnant. She said if she ever DID get pregnant. and yes she is plain stupid. :P She is only 13

Oh sorry missed that bit :P

I think your friends is panning something :D Jokes :)

Sex Ed. for her this year then (You in year 9 english school aye?)

[Alkaz]

Thats a pretty bad way to look at it. Just use a condom, go on the pill or both!

[BoomItsClowgon]

I don't think I'll ever go without using protection unless i was trying for a baby. (Imagine if she forgot to take the pill)

Aha.

[GoldenMerc]

I hate abortion, il be against it all the way :)

[Heinous]

People who are against abortion are naive and selfish.

[BoomItsClowgon]

If my gf got pregnant and it was like 2 weeks or so into the pregnancy (Baby hasn't developed yet) Then i would consider having an abortion. That if it was to happen now.

But i wouldn't if it was developed. Never would.

[luce]

People who are against abortion are naive and selfish.

Ok so i'll get myself pregnant and have the child so not to be naive and selfish then i will bring it up on benefits because i have had to drop out of school to be pregnant and look after her. I will be living alone because my teenage relationship will have broken down and no one wants baggage. I won't be able to afford my own house and live in states(council) housing. I can;t afford to send my child to play school so it will be under privileged going into education i can't afford for it to go out with it's friends at school and im to ashamed to have them round the house.... You get the picture?

I don't agree with abortion what so ever but then again i don't think i will eve get pregnant because i won't have unprotected until i want a child. In all honesty life is gods and he will do with it what he wants, what gives us the right to alter it.

[Heinous]

Ok so i'll get myself pregnant and have the child so not to be naive and selfish then i will bring it up on benefits because i have had to drop out of school to be pregnant and look after her. I will be living alone because my teenage relationship will have broken down and no one wants baggage. I won't be able to afford my own house and live in states(council) housing. I can;t afford to send my child to play school so it will be under privileged going into education i can't afford for it to go out with it's friends at school and im to ashamed to have them round the house.... You get the picture?

I don't agree with abortion what so ever but then again i don't think i will eve get pregnant because i won't have unprotected until i want a child. In all honesty life is gods and he will do with it what he wants, what gives us the right to alter it.
I know you're probably young and all (so this applies to your reputation comment assuming it's yours), but I said I was pro abortion. That is, for abortion.

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Edited by Luccy. (Forum Moderator): Please don't be rude to other forum members.

[Black_Apalachi]

Ok so i'll get myself pregnant and have the child so not to be naive and selfish then i will bring it up on benefits because i have had to drop out of school to be pregnant and look after her. I will be living alone because my teenage relationship will have broken down and no one wants baggage. I won't be able to afford my own house and live in states(council) housing. I can;t afford to send my child to play school so it will be under privileged going into education i can't afford for it to go out with it's friends at school and im to ashamed to have them round the house.... You get the picture?

I don't agree with abortion what so ever but then again i don't think i will eve get pregnant because i won't have unprotected until i want a child. In all honesty life is gods and he will do with it what he wants, what gives us the right to alter it.

It's a bit ignorant to try and draw a solid line under this for the reasons Luccy stated but then again, none of it would apply if you use protection in the first place.

[Heinous]

It's a bit ignorant to try and draw a solid line under this for the reasons Luccy stated but then again, none of it would apply if you use protection in the first place.
Because every method of contraception has a 100% hit rate.

Whoops, do your research.

[Black_Apalachi]

Because every method of contraception has a 100% hit rate.

Whoops, do your research.

Ok go look up the amount of abortions which were the result of no contraception vs contraception failure and get back to me.

[luce]

Ok go look up the amount of abortions which were the result of no contraception vs contraception failure and get back to me.

agreed completely with you there.

Hein - i'm anti abortion i know full well what you mean by your comment. But i'm making the point that there shouldn't be the need for abortion except for rape babies etc. Yes i know contraception isn't 100% but the attitude of people who think they won't get pregnant makes me sick. I think they should be refused abortions. My friend is 15 and due in about a month and about a year ago her boyfriend said to be. "I don't need contraception i will never get grace pregnant" er wrong?

[AgnesIO]

Because every method of contraception has a 100% hit rate.

Whoops, do your research.


What the hell?

Its FACT that contraception always has a 3% chance or something that it wont work..

[leah]

Depends on the situation.
If a girl gets pregnant at a young age from a one night stand or even from a short term boyfriend then abortion is an option. If a woman who is married or in a long term relationship falls pregnant I don't think she should have abortion

[Xtina]

If i got pregnant before the age of 20, i would have an abortion, as i dont think i would be ready to have a baby :)

[Immenseman]

i think abortion is acceptable in any situation really. having a baby is a big responsibility and if the mother can't cope with the baby then surely she's doing everyone a favour by getting rid of it ensuring that her life remains on tracks and the baby doesn't endure a rubbish life.

[chantellehugs]

I think that if you got raped and got pregnant, abortion is acceptable, no matter how old you are, because the baby might take on some of it's Fathers features, and you'd be reminded of it all the time, or when you looked into the baby's eyes, you'd be reminded.
I already think abortion is okay, I think we all make mistakes at some point in our lives, but if you got pregnant and had an abortion, you should use protection in the future if you don't want a child..
I also think you should take time to think very carefully about whether you want an abortion, because if affects some people, when they wonder what could have been.

[Arch]

What the hell?

Its FACT that contraception always has a 3% chance or something that it wont work..

I believe what he said was sarcasm :P

[drama]

What the hell?

Its FACT that contraception always has a 3% chance or something that it wont work..
if by that you mean Condoms are only effective 98%/99% of the time then yeah, not quite sure on the figure but then again i'm not stating it as fact.

And that's only for condoms, the pill (if used correctly) is much more efficent :D

[Kardan]

Abortion is not a form of contraception. Plus she's only 13? I don't think I learned about contraception in school until I was 14, in Year 9.

As for abortion, I'm not against it. I can say that if my girlfriend were to get pregnant now, we'd have an abortion - but of course, that's us saying it without actually being in the suituation.

[FlyingJesus]

Hey let's all bring unloved kids into the world just because it'd be mean not to

[Heinous]

Ok go look up the amount of abortions which were the result of no contraception vs contraception failure and get back to me.
It doesn't matter. The original point was that if someone used contraception, there'd be no need for abortions. Which is absolute crap.

agreed completely with you there.

Hein - i'm anti abortion i know full well what you mean by your comment. But i'm making the point that there shouldn't be the need for abortion except for rape babies etc. Yes i know contraception isn't 100% but the attitude of people who think they won't get pregnant makes me sick. I think they should be refused abortions. My friend is 15 and due in about a month and about a year ago her boyfriend said to be. "I don't need contraception i will never get grace pregnant" er wrong?
While I think abortion is a crappy form of contraception, I would still say someone should be allowed to abort, rather than bringing an unwanted child into an unstable situation.

When girls (and guys to some degree) have children young. Young, like, before they're ready young. It ruins lives. Your nonsensical reply is a perfect example of how it does. Yeah, in that situation I would say the person should ruin lives around him and her, and not allow them to have an abortion. Despite the abortion does nothing to anyone but the girl.

Your direct reply to my first post made absolutely no sense if you're anti-abortion.

What the hell?

Its FACT that contraception always has a 3% chance or something that it wont work..
Hur hur hur.

I know there's a failure rate higher than 0%. That was my point.

[Black_Apalachi]

agreed completely with you there.

Hein - i'm anti abortion i know full well what you mean by your comment. But i'm making the point that there shouldn't be the need for abortion except for rape babies etc. Yes i know contraception isn't 100% but the attitude of people who think they won't get pregnant makes me sick. I think they should be refused abortions. My friend is 15 and due in about a month and about a year ago her boyfriend said to be. "I don't need contraception i will never get grace pregnant" er wrong?

To be honest I am stuck on the fence with this one but I know refusing them isn't clever.

Maybe if there was just a very high price that had to be paid in order to have an abortion, then people would probably think a lot more about preventing it in the first place? You could allow certain circumstances (rape babies etc) to be exempt from having to pay this price though.

[JACKTARD]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.


However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

[1xBabyCakesx1]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.


However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.


Exactly what I think.

[luce]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.


However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

That's only if the baby is developed enough to have a skul. I don't have so much of a problem within the first few weeks. I think i ridiculously low limit for abortion or a high price should be imposed. It's going to be a debate forever really because no one is going to agree on something when there are so many different points of view. I don't see how people can be so complacent with human life imo. People are like o it's unloved, well put it up for adoption you're the ill-educated chav who got up the duff in the first place. So many people are dying to have children and can't yet people can happily get them aborted multiple times.

[FlyingJesus]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.

Actually the majority of abortions are done before a skull or even a working brain is formed, and it's done by mashing the entire foetus up and then sucking it out with a small vacuum

[RandomManJay]

i am strongly against abortion.

They put some tweezers up the vagina and crush the skull, killing it.

That, in my view, is inhumane.


However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

I've never heard of modern abortion being conducted in such a way, if the fetus hasn't developed they use drugs to cease the creation and inflamation of the womb so it doesn't develop into a fetus, likewise to when the fetus is developing, they use vacuum abortion which removes the same material that provides the growth and stops the fetus from progressing any further. In both procedures, once the fetus has stopped developing, they remove it.

To put it simply, the fetus doesn't experience any pain as it never develops any further, the period to which you are allowed abortion is based on the average progression of the fetus, when the receptors and brain begin to develop is when the fetus is capable of experiencing pain, but whether or not they actually experience it is beside the point, the reason why abortion is allowed up to this time is to ensure that it is as humane as possible, a lifeform can't experience pain if it hasn't developed the receptors yet. Who ever has told you about crushing skulls is incredible sick and knows nothing of modern medicine.

I am for abortion, but I believe that the child does reserve the right if it has a chance, but you have to consider everything; like if the child will have an opportunity to have a decent life or will it be succepable to abuse and neglect, or if the child will endanger the mother's life or will it be severly disabled and unable to live a decent life, or if the mother has been raped or abused in some way which could alter her affection for the child etc. What you have to ask yourself is is it worth keeping the child if you know what life it will have, and ask yourself which is worse, forcing a child through misery or allowing it not to have that life in the first place.

[Black_Apalachi]

[...] However, exceptions should be made, for example, a child that has come from rape, or a child with down syndrome or someone who wouldnt live to an old age.

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo. If I was still religious, I'd probably say it is wrong for us to play God in deciding who lives and who dies but I'm not, so I think it should be based on actual suffering. Anyone who isn't suffering almost constantly, still have the potential to enjoy the life they have.

I also thought what Sarcastix said, and that's also exactly how I feel about the subject. +rep.

[1xBabyCakesx1]

Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.

[RandomManJay]

Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.

In that sense it is wrong because that can be prevented in the first place, but this applies to a margin of people such as teenage pregnancies and those without correct sex education. People who are older and are wise enough to use contraception should have more of a right considering they are using it for its true purpose. But the only thing we can do is properly educate these people and provide help such as free contraceptive aids etc. we can just turn around and say 'oh this is your 4th abortion in the last year, I'm afraid you'll have to have this child', because this could cause more problems than solve them. But I do agree that using abortion in this fashion is wrong.

[JACKTARD]

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo.

because down syndrome is probably one of the most famous genetic disorders/diseases, i didnt mean that all down syndrome people should be killed or anything like that :/
They would need full time care (other illnesses also) and it can be alot of strain on the parents, especially if they are not financially well off and cannot afford to stay off work for the amount of time needed and may not also be able to afford a babysitter.




Wait can I please straighten this out. I dont mean I'm really against abortion as in no one should have it. Because babies that have come from rape or that will get a serious disease thatwill put them in pain all their life, I think fair enough.

But what I'm saying is people who treat it as a contraception, people who have unprotected sex and think its ok if I get pregnant I'll just have an abortion, thats what I mean.


what i said???

[Bun]

abortion ftw.

[OllzIsTasty]

Condoms and the Pill are only 99.9% to work. Read it in a sex education leaflet at College a while ago. Though if you need a abortion, you may too. I am against it in a way, but if your under 16, your have to drop out of school. Lose loads of solid times in your education. As we have a recession, it will be hard to find a job also. You don't want to be living on benefits all your life. To the people under age, fgs just use a condom or go on the pill if you want to have sex.

Don't mess up your life and have no grades in school etc. I would rather use a condom than just lose my whole life of having a child. My ex girlfriend wanted a child at 15, I was no. I want to live my life, not have to look after a child for the rest of my life. All my money will go on to the child, though I would want to spend some money on myself. Especially if your underage and the lad is over 16, he could be put away for underage. Would you want that for your boyfriend? If you love him so much?

If you want sex and your underage then use a condom or go on the pill. It's easy go to your NHS Walk-In Centre.

Abortion can be sometimes good or bad, but if you really need it - have it done.

[Grig]

The right of female choice is the way to move in the 21st century. By not allowing abortion we would be moving backwards from the pro choice argument. I'm glad in America Obama supports abortion, whilst MaCain didn't - ironic eh?

[Kardan]

Why those two? :S I'm sure plenty people with down syndrome live perfectly happy lives. Likewise, those who may not live to an old age could also live a happy life. I'm not sure why you singled out down syndrome anyway, I'm sure there's countless other conditions which you could argue justify abortion but still don't really imo. If I was still religious, I'd probably say it is wrong for us to play God in deciding who lives and who dies but I'm not, so I think it should be based on actual suffering. Anyone who isn't suffering almost constantly, still have the potential to enjoy the life they have.

I also thought what Sarcastix said, and that's also exactly how I feel about the subject. +rep.

What he's saying about the down syndrome comment is that if you have a baby with that condition they'll need 24/7 care for the rest of their lives which pratically every teenager would not be prepared for. Have a baby at 16 will be difficult enough, hence why if scans show that the baby has a major disability, some people would have it aborted since they simply wouldn't be able to give it the quality of life it should get.

[Richie]

I'm against abortion however I understand under some circumstances if the person who is pregnant is still in school, well then obviously they can't bring up a child. Use protection, but I do suppose Jesus made the condom split for a reason.

[Heinous]

I'm against abortion however I understand under some circumstances if the person who is pregnant is still in school, well then obviously they can't bring up a child. Use protection, but I do suppose Jesus made the condom split for a reason.
Please don't bring religion into this.

Also, a person in school very much can bring up a child (with help). So the idea of "you can have an abortion if you're in school, were raped, or the child is disabled".

It creates too many loopholes. It should either be not allowed entirely, or allowed entirely. Not only if you meet x and y criteria.

[Hushie]

Please don't bring religion into this.

Also, a person in school very much can bring up a child (with help). So the idea of "you can have an abortion if you're in school, were raped, or the child is disabled".

It creates too many loopholes. It should either be not allowed entirely, or allowed entirely. Not only if you meet x and y criteria.

I agree, I think it should just be allowed. It should be the parents choice and nobody else should try to force a child upon them