Derren Brown to predict national lottery numbers

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gm5LT7Q_yH6th6ToBa-AMh_TbhUQ

how the ****?

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[Caution]

Not gonna happen.

[jackass]

He's not ACTUALLY going to predict them, he'll just create the illusion that he has.

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He's not ACTUALLY going to predict them, he'll just create the illusion that he has.
how do you do that then?

[Pyroka]

He'll manage it.

[Jahova]

An illusion, what does the article mean?

[lBlue]

I'll laugh my **** off if he ***** up. He's banned from all casinos and ain't allowed to bet.

[Immenseman]

lmao. will be good to watch.

[Kardan]

And on Friday there's a show telling us how to do it? That'll be great...

"I've won the lotto! I've matched all six numbers!"
"How much did you win?"
"£2.36 shared it with about 700,000 other people"

[Fez]

My guess: he'll get half of them right.

[Kardan]

I don't see how he can do it though... His past stuff seems reasonable, he can easily manipulate people into thinking what he wants them to think, but how is he going to even try and start guessing the lotto numbers considering it's randomised by a machine? I'll be impressed if he manages it.

[CHA!NGANG]

If he could really do it, he'd be a rich man by now. I think he will make people think that he has predicted them, whilst he really hasn't.

[Kardan]

If he could really do it, he'd be a rich man by now. I think he will make people think that he has predicted them, whilst he really hasn't.

And how is he going to do that? Get the BBC to play a pre-recorded fake draw? :P

[ItsDave]

Just saw this. I wanna watch it now.

[JACKTARD]

he can do it with people though so it will only work if the national lottery is fixed by someone.

[superstar911]

There's no way this can go well, if he doesn't predict them correctly he'll make a fool of himself and if he does predict them there will be public outcry and an investigation into cheating and if he teaches others to do it (Although it's probably a very hard skill to pick up) he will take down the national lottery. And should he ever win the lottery he'd be accused of cheating.

[Wayne]

If I was Derren and I could predict the lottery, I wouldn't go on TV and predict them, I'd just buy a lottery ticket with the predicted numbers and just win all the money for myself.

[superstar911]

If I was Derren and I could predict the lottery, I wouldn't go on TV and predict them, I'd just buy a lottery ticket with the predicted numbers and just win all the money for myself.

He's not after money, he's after fame, credability and too be taken seriously. If he pulls this off it will go down in history and so will he ;).

[Mathew]

I've been watching a lot of his programs on 4od - I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls it off. :)

[kk.]

Erm, well tbh, everyone knows TV Lags by a bit yeh? Well, tbh, it wouldnt be that hard surely, get someone to ring him thats at the lottery and it comes through instantly, goes down the earpiece into his ear he says it, it comes out and tadah.

Anyway, id like to see how he does it as in presents it, will he have a TV whilst hes doing it? anyway, it wouldnt be classed as teaching really, to buy a ticket, it needs to be bought by about 7.30 on the day anyway

[-Heart]

The things he does are remarkable. Wouldn't be one bit surprised if he pulls this off, and I hope he does.

Still, I need to find his address before Wednesday..

[e5]

I bet he does it. No idea how, but he will............

[Misawa]

No chance.

[Neversoft]

Erm, well tbh, everyone knows TV Lags by a bit yeh? Well, tbh, it wouldnt be that hard surely, get someone to ring him thats at the lottery and it comes through instantly, goes down the earpiece into his ear he says it, it comes out and tadah.

Surely he'd chose the numbers before the actual draw instead of saying what number is going to come next when it's live. Derren Brown makes sure everything he does is as believable as it can be. Plus he explains how to do it afterwards. It won't be something as simple as "I got a man to phone me and tell me the numbers".

[kk.]

National lottery starts and finishes at 10.35 - 10.45, in which it is drawn almost immediately.
Darren browns show starts and ends at 10.35 - 10.45, in which i would think he would have a TV and he would predict each one as it came out, we shall see though

[Lost_Addict]

Can't wait to see this

[Andys]

Erm, well tbh, everyone knows TV Lags by a bit yeh? Well, tbh, it wouldnt be that hard surely, get someone to ring him thats at the lottery and it comes through instantly, goes down the earpiece into his ear he says it, it comes out and tadah.

Anyway, id like to see how he does it as in presents it, will he have a TV whilst hes doing it? anyway, it wouldnt be classed as teaching really, to buy a ticket, it needs to be bought by about 7.30 on the day anyway
He never wears an earpeice.

He will do it, and to people who are saying "oh hes gunna tell everyone how to do it and its gunna ruin the lottery" are you for real? He'll explain how he does it, but it'll be a technique that has took him years and years to study, it's not just gunna be something that anyone anywhere can do and win the lottery.

Also to people saying "wouldn't he be rich by now" he doesn't do it for money, and he probably is loaded anyway. Have you ever even seen his programs eg. the one where he wins a load of money at the horce racing/dog racing (i forget)? He could do that over and over and be loaded if he really wanted, but he does it for fame, and to show that it can be done.

[kk.]

He never wears an earpeice.

He will do it, and to people who are saying "oh hes gunna tell everyone how to do it and its gunna ruin the lottery" are you for real? He'll explain how he does it, but it'll be a technique that has took him years and years to study, it's not just gunna be something that anyone anywhere can do and win the lottery.

Also to people saying "wouldn't he be rich by now" he doesn't do it for money, and he probably is loaded anyway. Have you ever even seen his programs eg. the one where he wins a load of money at the horce racing/dog racing (i forget)? He could do that over and over and be loaded if he really wanted, but he does it for fame, and to show that it can be done.

ok so someone off screen tells him, same principle. I was only suggesting ideas of ways he could do it. Either way, it would be a trick, the lottery is completely random, or, at least to some extent. He wouldnt be 'rich by now' as i bet you any money the only way he could do is after the draw was done.

[Andys]

ok so someone off screen tells him, same principle. I was only suggesting ideas of ways he could do it. Either way, it would be a trick, the lottery is completely random, or, at least to some extent. He wouldnt be 'rich by now' as i bet you any money the only way he could do is after the draw was done.
No. No-one off screen tells him, stop trying to catch him out. He's studies it for years, he's done loads of amazing tricks before, there will be some way that he'll know what the numbers are. He'll probably show around the whole room to show theres no-one in the room with him and no earpeice, therefore no-one to tell him the numbers as they are being drawn.

[dirrty]

i EXTREMELY doubt the bbc would give him the lottery numbers and theres not that much of a delay for him to be told. i doubt he'd be like "hold on a sec audience..." *listens to numbers* and then repeat them out quickly...

[kk.]

hold on, years and years? ok, well, he says 'a' year, i do believe. and ***, seriously, im just giving suggestions. calm the eff down

[Andys]

hold on, years and years? ok, well, he says 'a' year, i do believe. and ***, seriously, im just giving suggestions. calm the eff down
How has he been studying a year when he started doing shows on channel four in 2000? :S:S

[Black_Apalachi]

He never wears an earpeice.

He will do it, and to people who are saying "oh hes gunna tell everyone how to do it and its gunna ruin the lottery" are you for real? He'll explain how he does it, but it'll be a technique that has took him years and years to study, it's not just gunna be something that anyone anywhere can do and win the lottery.

Also to people saying "wouldn't he be rich by now" he doesn't do it for money, and he probably is loaded anyway. Have you ever even seen his programs eg. the one where he wins a load of money at the horce racing/dog racing (i forget)? He could do that over and over and be loaded if he really wanted, but he does it for fame, and to show that it can be done.

Exactly. Except no money was won on the horses because he betted on all of them.

Anyway I can't believe people are discussing how he's going to cheat! :P Seriously, he's an illusionist. He's not going to actually successfully predict the six numbers, he'll just make you think he did :).

[kk.]

How has he been studying a year when he started doing shows on channel four in 2000? :S:S

im sure he says on the advert hes been studying and practising these tricks for a year.

[Andys]

im sure he says on the advert hes been studying and practising these tricks for a year.
"Since the first broadcast of his Channel 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4) television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television) show Derren Brown: Mind Control in 2000"
(Taken from his wikipedia page)

he's been doing tricks for alot longer than a year.

[kk.]

i dont think youre understanding what im saying...

[Andys]

i dont think youre understanding what im saying...
Well what are you saying?

[kk.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S0ybvz7D58


'for over a year'. ok, so i said a year, but, its still almost the same. and i was yalking about the tricks he will be doing, not the tricks he has done

[Andys]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S0ybvz7D58


'for over a year'. ok, so i said a year, but, its still almost the same. and i was yalking about the tricks he will be doing, not the tricks he has done
But he's still been studying the whole subject for years. He's took over a year to study for just this trick.

[kk.]

..... and when did i ever disagree with that. Mate, im 18, im not a ***** and im not dumb, ive grown up watching all of his illusions.

[Lost_Addict]

Yes but the 4 tricks he's doing this week hes been pruely studying for over a year..

i can do a bit of magic myself to a certain extent. and alot of the time it's trick of the mind. the magician (so not illusionist) will take your mind to another subject whilst your not concentrating thats when the switch is made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfoTE9clY7A&feature=channel all tricks revealed

[Andys]

..... and when did i ever disagree with that. Mate, im 18, im not a ***** and im not dumb, ive grown up watching all of his illusions.

"Erm, well tbh, everyone knows TV Lags by a bit yeh? Well, tbh, it wouldnt be that hard surely, get someone to ring him thats at the lottery and it comes through instantly, goes down the earpiece into his ear he says it, it comes out and tadah."
"ok so someone off screen tells him, same principle."

[kk.]

Yes but the 4 tricks he's doing this week hes been pruely studying for over a year..

i can do a bit of magic myself to a certain extent. and alot of the time it's trick of the mind. the magician (so not illusionist) will take your mind to another subject whilst your not concentrating thats when the switch is made.

lol, i remember some of that when i read the canished man by jeffery deaver, recommended if you like magic.

[kk.]

"Erm, well tbh, everyone knows TV Lags by a bit yeh? Well, tbh, it wouldnt be that hard surely, get someone to ring him thats at the lottery and it comes through instantly, goes down the earpiece into his ear he says it, it comes out and tadah."
"ok so someone off screen tells him, same principle."

lol, as i said, i was offering suggestions to people, more than what a lot of people have done. and, its funny how you have tried to veer the conversation of in a different direction, rather than what the whole point about you moaning at me was for..

o i see you have a footballer in your avatar, i assume footy fanatic, explains a lot btw

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[Andys]

lol, as i said, i was offering suggestions to people, more than what a lot of people have done. and, its funny how you have tried to veer the conversation of in a different direction, rather than what the whole point about you moaning at me was for..

o i see you have a footballer in your avatar, i assume footy fanatic, explains a lot btw
how does that explain alot? stop being a stereotypical arse hole

[kk.]

just does, and if youre saying that you never stereotype anyone, ill put money on it that you do. Its more common on the internet, especially the way you talk and the way youve portrayed yourself by the avatar alone. Anyway, as i said, you still avoided the part where you were wrong, my guess could be, youre more of a winner?

[MrPinkPanther]

"kk" you are wrong ok?

Firstly, maybe he has been studying these specific events for a year but he wouldn't have been able to do them without all his prior knowledge about how the mind works. So yes he has been doing this for years.

Secondly, Derren Brown doesnt resort to camera tricks or off stage people, thats why hes so popular now. He relys on human phsycology. I have no idea how or if he will pull this one off but however he tries it won't be a simple trick like that. You can tell he doesn't cheat because on his show he frequently has respected celebrities on such as Simon Pegg and Steven Merchant who obviously aren't helping him cheat, but also he does a live show.

[kre8ive]

Derren Brown is absolutely amazing, I'm going to see him next May for my 18th Birthday, he's amazing!! EEK.

[kk.]

"kk" you are wrong ok?

Firstly, maybe he has been studying these specific events for a year but he wouldn't have been able to do them without all his prior knowledge about how the mind works. So yes he has been doing this for years.

Secondly, Derren Brown doesnt resort to camera tricks or off stage people, thats why hes so popular now. He relys on human phsycology. I have no idea how or if he will pull this one off but however he tries it won't be a simple trick like that. You can tell he doesn't cheat because on his show he frequently has respected celebrities on such as Simon Pegg and Steven Merchant who obviously aren't helping him cheat, but also he does a live show.

So I'm assuming you read all my posts? Because everything you just said I have explained.. Why are people getting so pissed because of one suggestion, seriously.

Yes, he probably will use something he learnt from a few years ago, but I was going on about how long he's been learning these tricks for, jees

[gino128]

hang on though, isn't this a scam like the one he did at the dog racing track where he conned the counter attendant into giving him money??

[MrPinkPanther]

No. No-one off screen tells him, stop trying to catch him out. He's studies it for years, he's done loads of amazing tricks before, there will be some way that he'll know what the numbers are. He'll probably show around the whole room to show theres no-one in the room with him and no earpeice, therefore no-one to tell him the numbers as they are being drawn.


hold on, years and years? ok, well, he says 'a' year, i do believe. and ***, seriously, im just giving suggestions. calm the eff down


Yes, he probably will use something he learnt from a few years ago, but I was going on about how long he's been learning these tricks for, jees
I have read all of your posts and its clearly you that has misinterpreted it. "Andys" said years and years hes been doing these sorts of tricks and you replied to that with 1 year actually, when you didn't understand that he was talking about them all in general as the "No-one off screen tells him, stop trying to catch him out. He's studies it for years, he's done loads of amazing tricks before" shows. So I was replying to that.

[kk.]

I said, he says, referring to the advert. andys says 'He's studies it for years' which for starters could mean two things anyway because of the poor english in that sentence.

anyway, bye.

[Tintinnabulate]

My guess: he'll get half of them right.

That's what I think too.

Anyway apparently he has been trying to master it for many many years.

[jackass]

I reckon he'll get 5 out of 6 correct.

[crazed]

If I was Derren and I could predict the lottery, I wouldn't go on TV and predict them, I'd just buy a lottery ticket with the predicted numbers and just win all the money for myself.

Imagine the numbers he says are your weekly numbers and like 30,000 other people use them and win. Ah, that would be funny.

[Andys]

I have read all of your posts and its clearly you that has misinterpreted it. "Andys" said years and years hes been doing these sorts of tricks and you replied to that with 1 year actually, when you didn't understand that he was talking about them all in general as the "No-one off screen tells him, stop trying to catch him out. He's studies it for years, he's done loads of amazing tricks before" shows. So I was replying to that.
Exactly. Thanks for that. +rep

[luce]

it will be well interesting to see how he does it and how many he gets right i think he will trick people into thinking he as when he hasn't

[Dusty-09]

I don't know if he will pull it off, so yeah gotta see if he does.

[Nli.]

For the people who are saying the BBC won't give him the numbers, the BBC won't know the numbers and everything in advance (obviously - as its done randomly) but the BBC don't run the National Lottery, they broadcast it - yes. But it's run by Camelot.

And back to the actual topic, I think he will pull it off some how, but it's going to be weird as it's on near enough the exact time as the live draw.

[Dusty-09]

It's tomorrow apparently at 10:35pm Channel 4

LINK:
http://news.limobroker.co.uk/derren-brown-plans-to-predict-winning-lottery-numbers-this-wednesday-16950/

[Black_Apalachi]

STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHEN HE STARTED PRACTISING HIS TECHNIQUES!


In 1992, he started performing stage hypnosis shows at the University of Bristol under the stage name Darren V. Brown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown

I don't give a crap when he began learning this specific detail, you wouldn't be able to learn the same thing in that amount of time without the 17 years of experience behind you.

[superstar911]

Holy hell he did it :O

[Caution]

Just watched it. Don't know what to make of it tbh.. :S

[Neversoft]

**** I missed it. What happened?

[Hecktix]

he is unreal :S

[AlexOC]

I hope he gets every single number wrong.

[Misawa]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.

[Dippindonut1]

I hope he gets every single number wrong.

erm... a bit late?

[Andys]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.
Yeah, he could've got a few of them wrong though, but to get them all exactly right wow.

[AlexOC]

Aww i see

Youtube link?

[jackass]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.

Every number has an equal probability, and no number whatsoever can affect any other number showing up.

And the horses thing was just the trick of 'what was shown' - he only showed on TV the woman that DID get them all right.

[Misawa]

Every number has an equal probability, and no number whatsoever can affect any other number showing up.

And the horses thing was just the trick of 'what was shown' - he only showed on TV the woman that DID get them all right.

He explained how he did it, you must have missed that.

[Stephen!]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.

So, basically, he created the formula for winning the lottery?

[AlexOC]

I need to make friends with him

[Misawa]

So, basically, he created the formula for winning the lottery?

If it's the same as his racecourse programme, which it looks like it is, he uses maths to work out a formula based on probability using all the past results. There's more to it, but it's complicated.

[AlexOC]

How?

There's the same chance that the exact same numbers show up back to back, then different sets of numbers.

[Jack.Lfc]

Oh come on, there was a reason for there being no audience. The camera angle was limited, numbers could have been beamed onto them white balls like projected.

[Pyroka]

uhhmmm... It'll be something so obscure and not even related to what people think, which will be what it is. It's like the seance thing, everyone thought it was real or some people think people were moving things, but they thought in the end it was actually real, then he told them it was ALL FAKE.

He's just like that, I wouldnt be surprised if they faked the lottery.... It's crazy.

Above post has the right idea, it'll be something so simple that does it. The fact he didnt reveal them BEFORE the lottery just shows that. He said that it was an illegal thing BBC do which means they cant show the balls until after the draw. I'm sure I heard him say that. There will be something more to it... Lotto doesn't let people tickets 5 minutes before the lottery is drawn so it wouldnt have mattered. Theres no way lotto can sue him for predicting the numbers, its like sueing people for guessing the numbers and getting them right.

Theres definetely more to it than meets the eye, you really have to look OUTSIDE of the box. The clues will be in the programme.

[Jack.Lfc]

Do you seriously believe he would be on channel 4 if he coiuld predict lottery numbers?

[jackass]

He explained how he did it, you must have missed that.

No, when he explained how he did it, was how I said.

[brandon]

I think it's similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPZagagUh0) trick on Don't Miss A Trick, where they have a split screen, one with live footage the other with recorded. When Brown was standing by the television, they shew a recorded image of the blank balls, changed them to the correct numbers while we were watching the recorded blank balls, and then ended the split screen, showing live footage of the changed numbers.

[Andys]

I think it's similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPZagagUh0) trick on Don't Miss A Trick, where they have a split screen, one with live footage the other with recorded. When Brown was standing by the television, they shew a recorded image of the blank balls, changed them to the correct numbers while we were watching the recorded blank balls, and then ended the split screen, showing live footage of the changed numbers.
thats could be it actually
edit: http://www.lottery.co.uk/results/
wrong.

[Pyroka]

Yeah I think you're right there Brandon, because the image was very shaky which would explain why one side wasn't moving yet the other side was, the picture was getting wider.

I think ya deffo right.

[cameramatt]

you can tell camera trickery - he walks in with handheld camera, cut to wide showing him and handheld camera, cut back to closeup from previous 'handheld camera', except its now not really the handheld camera but a computer simulated camera judder and movement enabling the split screen where someone is placing the balls, then remove splut screen and show him walking over to balls, turn around and hey presto.

[Immenseman]

not looking through thread... youtube link? o.O

[leah]

I think it's similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPZagagUh0) trick on Don't Miss A Trick, where they have a split screen, one with live footage the other with recorded. When Brown was standing by the television, they shew a recorded image of the blank balls, changed them to the correct numbers while we were watching the recorded blank balls, and then ended the split screen, showing live footage of the changed numbers.
interestinggggg

[Sammeth.]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.

Yeah, either that or its an illusion.

[Black_Apalachi]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.


Every number has an equal probability, and no number whatsoever can affect any other number showing up.

And the horses thing was just the trick of 'what was shown' - he only showed on TV the woman that DID get them all right.

Exactly what I was going to say.


If it's the same as his racecourse programme, which it looks like it is, he uses maths to work out a formula based on probability using all the past results. There's more to it, but it's complicated.

At the horse race one, he made a person bet on every horse but only showed us those who won their bets and put them through to the next round. This repeated until the final woman who then picked a horse in a race but he secretly placed a bet on all the runners.

For him to be using that same method here, he would have to have bought a ticket for every combination of 6 numbers between 1 and 49 inclusive. I don't know how much that would cost but it has been proven to cost substancially more than can ever be won.

I don't follow exactly what Brandon suggested but the fact he didn't say the numbers until AFTER the draw rang all the alarm bells for me. I can't remember if the white balls were always in the shot or if they were out of shot during the draw. But the only way I can see is that those balls were matched to the draw one by one as the draw took place. Major anti-climax on Friday me thinks.

[Tintinnabulate]

Watched it on youtube, didnt look like a split screen.

[Sammeth.]

He's an entertainer, an illusionist, a magician. When he's expaining something its not necessarily how he did it. Rather its simply an explination to make the trick sound more believable and make the person feel more comfortable with the plausibility of it actually being able to happen. He didn't study lottery tickets for a year, and then make an educated guess. Thats just silly. Its a tRiCk. mAgIk.

[Black_Apalachi]

He's an entertainer, an illusionist, a magician. When he's expaining something its not necessarily how he did it. Rather its simply an explination to make the trick sound more believable and make the person feel more comfortable with the plausibility of it actually being able to happen. He didn't study lottery tickets for a year, and then make an educated guess. Thats just silly. Its a tRiCk. mAgIk.

Yeah exactly.

[FlyingJesus]

He used the same method he did last year if you saw his programme where he was at the races. He's spent a year of his life looking at every single lotto draw and seeing the probability of the numbers, then making a formula - essentially it was those numbers' turn tonight. Hard to explain but he did it last year.


If it's the same as his racecourse programme, which it looks like it is, he uses maths to work out a formula based on probability using all the past results. There's more to it, but it's complicated.

The probability of any lottery result is exactly the same as any other. It is never a number's "turn" because each ball has a 1/49 chance, then 1/48 then 1/47 etc as more come out - and that does not ever change. Magic is a more believable answer than this

[Xtina]

I'm just curious to see how he did it on friday...

[Jackk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHZ2mQczkcg

for anyone who hasnt seen it..

[Tintinnabulate]

Will he tell us how he did his tricks on "Derren Brown The Gathering" which was on C4 tonight?

[Sammeth.]

Will he tell us how he did his tricks on "Derren Brown The Gathering" which was on C4 tonight?
I remember watching that a year or so ago, I think it was a repeat. He looked a littler podgier.

[Black_Apalachi]

Will he tell us how he did his tricks on "Derren Brown The Gathering" which was on C4 tonight?

No, that was a repeat of a previous thing from a while ago (I think, even though I watched it for the first time tonight). He is to reveal the Lottery event on Friday.

During The Gathering, did anyone else notice various words flash up in the background of the stage for a split second throughout the show?

[Tintinnabulate]

No, that was a repeat of a previous thing from a while ago (I think, even though I watched it for the first time tonight). He is to reveal the Lottery event on Friday.

During The Gathering, did anyone else notice various words flash up in the background of the stage for a split second throughout the show?

This is what it says on Wikipedia.


Furthermore, the word "forget" was intermittently flashed very briefly on the backdrop throughout the performance.

[Black_Apalachi]

Ahhhh very good :).

I love how he corrects himself and often pretends to make mistakes.

[Neversoft]

I think it's similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiPZagagUh0) trick on Don't Miss A Trick, where they have a split screen, one with live footage the other with recorded. When Brown was standing by the television, they shew a recorded image of the blank balls, changed them to the correct numbers while we were watching the recorded blank balls, and then ended the split screen, showing live footage of the changed numbers.

Derren is better than some camera trickery, and isn't the show explaining how he did it on friday an hour long? He's not going to spend an hour explaining what you just did in one paragraph. He also said how he's been planning and preparing the prediction for a year. It doesn't take a year to learn how to mix pre-recorded footage with a live broadcast.

[N!ck]

It was probably a trick with the camera. There is no winning formula/system for the lottery.

Previous numbers/results have absolutely no effect on future results. The machine is an inanimate object and does not know or care what past results are. Every ball has an equally random chance of coming out.

[Kardan]

If it's the same as his racecourse programme, which it looks like it is, he uses maths to work out a formula based on probability using all the past results. There's more to it, but it's complicated.

There was no formula at all to the racehorse thing. He simply got 7,000 people and told them to back 1 of 6 horses. The ~1,500 people that backed the next horse would then get told to back another 1 of 6 horses - this kept happening, and people were told to film themselves until there were 6 people left, then camera crews went round and they just shown the person that got all the bets right. There was no formula, each person just had a different combination of winning horses.

This, there is no formula to this. Basically, they got the winning numbers on the balls between the start and the end of the program somehow. Why do you think they didn't do the bonus? So they had more time to get the correct numbers on the balls :)

[ItsDave]

I dunno, it was pretty amazing tbh. Well he's gonna tell us on Friday.

[Black_Apalachi]

There was no formula at all to the racehorse thing. He simply got 7,000 people and told them to back 1 of 6 horses. The ~1,500 people that backed the next horse would then get told to back another 1 of 6 horses - this kept happening, and people were told to film themselves until there were 6 people left, then camera crews went round and they just shown the person that got all the bets right. There was no formula, each person just had a different combination of winning horses. [...]

Well explained. It was such an anti-climax as well.

[Tintinnabulate]

The bit about "Oh no we really did forget what happened in there ..." was so obviously a lie, as they laughed when they saw Shepherds Bush outside. If they forgot the show, they would have forgotten that too ...

[kre8ive]

He's amazing, I was totally freaked out, did anyone catch the Derren Brown program afterwards? Pretty good too.

[Tintinnabulate]

He's amazing, I was totally freaked out, did anyone catch the Derren Brown program afterwards? Pretty good too.

In that show everyone pretended to have forgotten the show afterwards, yet when they walked outside they remembered Shepherds Bush? :rolleyes:


Yeah I think you're right there Brandon, because the image was very shaky which would explain why one side wasn't moving yet the other side was, the picture was getting wider.

I think ya deffo right.

It was shaky even after he showed us the numbers ...
I think he kept moving the camera to tell people "look we aren't using a split screen as its harder to do that when the camera man keeps zooming in and keeps moving, but its very very easy to do it when the camera is in the same place".

So I think if the camera didn't move at all, then people would still think it was a still footage, but by keep moving it, its very very hard.

[Black_Apalachi]

The bit about "Oh no we really did forget what happened in there ..." was so obviously a lie, as they laughed when they saw Shepherds Bush outside. If they forgot the show, they would have forgotten that too ...

Some remembered bits and it was mainly the end they remembered. Others didn't forget at all. He pulled the map off at the end to reveal a huge Shepard's Bush banner so there's more chance of remembering this as well as the sign outside acting as a retrieval queue.

Besides, he probably controlled what they would forget and what they would remember.

[JACKTARD]

it was rly good,

did anyone see his show on E4 before that?

[Richie]

I'm sorry but I just don't believe it, Firstly if you were watching it his facial expression was all an act. He was trying to act shocked when the numbers came out, but you could see right through it. This was not a prediction in my eyes. What i think was done was as the numbers were being called out the numbers on the balls were being change, I would believe it if he showed us the numbers he predicted it to be first then showed the acctual lottery, he said they couldn't for legal reasons. Perhaps I'm just being negative because in my mind I think its impossible.

[Lost_Addict]

well i know the numbers couldn't br "beamed" or projected onto the balls because he moved some of the balls slightly so the numbers wouldn't of moved with the balls.

i doubt it would be a camera trick because that would just let himself down.

[Shoovers]

He's amazing, I was totally freaked out, did anyone catch the Derren Brown program afterwards? Pretty good too.

On that show afterwards, did you notice words flashing up on the wall?

They were only up for like 1/2 of a second or less so I couldnt tell what they said.

[paul4wolves]

He's not ACTUALLY going to predict them, he'll just create the illusion that he has.

SEE hes fake :P

[Tintinnabulate]

Some remembered bits and it was mainly the end they remembered. Others didn't forget at all. He pulled the map off at the end to reveal a huge Shepard's Bush banner so there's more chance of remembering this as well as the sign outside acting as a retrieval queue.

Besides, he probably controlled what they would forget and what they would remember.

How can he make them forget but not us?


On that show afterwards, did you notice words flashing up on the wall?

They were only up for like 1/2 of a second or less so I couldnt tell what they said.

I posted the answer to that earlier on in this thread :)
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6045801&postcount=98

[Shoovers]

Thanks

[AlexOC]

Yeh, i'll go with the split screen, seems the most viable and simple.

[Lost_Addict]

Notice how he showed there were two cameras recording him but only ever used one :D

me thinks he will show on friday the whole live show again but from that camera angle and we will see somthing we couldn't from the previous angle.

[AlexOC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8

@ above

yeh, show from that one, as that camera angle looked like a kind of 'revealer' angle.

[Andys]

On that show afterwards, did you notice words flashing up on the wall?

They were only up for like 1/2 of a second or less so I couldnt tell what they said.


How can he make them forget but not us?



I posted the answer to that earlier on in this thread :)
http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost.php?p=6045801&postcount=98
well if it was the words "forget" it won't have been about the lottery thingy because i'd seen that show before (the one after the lottery.) It was to make the people forget at the end if you guys watched it to the end. :)

[AlexOC]

The reason i think its a split screen is the 'higher ball' rumour thats going round..

http://alexoc.com/perm/BrownhRumbled.pnghttp://alexoc.com/perm/brownrumbled.png

Before / After Results

[jackass]

Or it could be because the camera isn't fixed, and is constantly moving? :rolleyes:


The reason i think its a split screen is the 'higher ball' rumour thats going round..

http://alexoc.com/perm/BrownhRumbled.pnghttp://alexoc.com/perm/brownrumbled.png

Before / After Results

[AlexOC]

Well no, because no matter where the camera moves, even if its the exact same position as before the results, its a bit higher.

And the shaking is artifical, it wouldnt shake that much they are just trying to make it seem real.

[Pixet]

I don't believe it for one second. So many rumours and such going around.
Plus, I actually couldn't care if he can 'predict' lottery numbers. Read my mind and I'll be impressed.
I agree with the split screen theory though.

[AlexOC]

I don't believe it for one second. So many rumours and such going around.
Plus, I actually couldn't care if he can 'predict' lottery numbers. Read my mind and I'll be impressed.
I agree with the split screen theory though.

He does read minds!

[Lost_Addict]

ya he does rofl, pretty good at it aswell XD
i like him because he's pretty down to earth unlike the other pompus illutionists and magicians.

[Andys]

I don't believe it for one second. So many rumours and such going around.
Plus, I actually couldn't care if he can 'predict' lottery numbers. Read my mind and I'll be impressed.
I agree with the split screen theory though.
:lol::lol:
post of the year.

[Nemo]

I believe it, but why didnt he just buy a ticket, and win. if he doesnt want the money, give it to charity, problem solved.

[Neversoft]

I believe it, but why didnt he just buy a ticket, and win. if he doesnt want the money, give it to charity, problem solved.

He wasn't allowed to buy a lottery ticket.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/sep/09/derren-brown-lottery-paul-daniels

Third paragraph.

[Hitman]

I'm not entirely sure what to make of it, but seeing what others make of it, with the theories and reasons for split screens and whatnot is laughable...

I've seen people say "well why couldn't he show the numbers before the BBC? They can't sue him for a prediction." Sure, but Derren knew that the numbers he had, or rather the numbers he was going to show were correct, so he would be showing the winning numbers before the BBC, which was supposedly illegal or not allowed. Imagine if he had of shown them before, and they were correct? The lottery would be ruined, because it would have been almost solid proof that he could predict the numbers - thus making it look like an inside job of some sort.

Of course, he couldn't predict them. The numbers are totally random. Yes, some show up more than others, but it's just random.

Another thing I saw was "when he touches the ball, one of them moves up!!" Well, yes, it will move up. Physics. If the balls are placed next to each other rather tightly, then moving one down will put pressure on the others, making the middle one buckle, so long as the last one is in tight. Kind of like a spot, you squeeze the skin on outsides and it builds up pressue, causing the spot to pop.

I think he'll have more people watching the show revealing how he did it than the show that showed him doing it.

[lBlue]

I don't believe it for one second. So many rumours and such going around.
Plus, I actually couldn't care if he can 'predict' lottery numbers. Read my mind and I'll be impressed.
I agree with the split screen theory though.
Oh dear God. :eusa_thin

[Nemo]

He wasn't allowed to buy a lottery ticket.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2009/sep/09/derren-brown-lottery-paul-daniels

Third paragraph.
Found that out like 5 minutes after i posted, bwuhahaha unlucky to him

[Smits]

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

[N!ck]

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

I firmly believe that this is the answer.

Camera trickery is not Derren's style, but it's the only way.

[Hitman]

I firmly believe that this is the answer.

Camera trickery is not Derren's style, but it's the only way.
After reading that, it seems that is what probably happened, especially as he showed that snowflake, representing that it's frozen.

I didn't really think camera trickery was his style either, since what he does tends to be unique, whereas this camera trickery can be done by many people with ease...

Although, he does say he'll show us how we can do it... and I doubt he'd spend time showing us how to create a split screen... hopefully it's something unexpected!

[AlexOC]

THATS WHAT I SAID

GIVE ME CREDIT

[Lost_Addict]

I'd be pleasently suprised if it wasn't that explanation XD

[AlexOC]

I want it to be something really boring like, they told him to anwsers first or something

So everyone gets dissapointed.

[Sammeth.]

Derren is better than some camera trickery, and isn't the show explaining how he did it on friday an hour long? He's not going to spend an hour explaining what you just did in one paragraph. He also said how he's been planning and preparing the prediction for a year. It doesn't take a year to learn how to mix pre-recorded footage with a live broadcast.

That's assuming that you're taking what he says as the truth.

[Neversoft]

That's assuming that you're taking what he says as the truth.

Derren would never lie to me!

[Lost_Addict]

Derren would never lie to me!

lmao you and derren go wayyyyyy back XD +rep for knowing him :P

well there are 3 possible scenarios

1. derren will explain how he does it, it is camera trickery we all moan and it feels like a bit of a flop

2. derren will explain how he does it, it will be a complete shock and diffrent to what we all think. and we will be satisfied (hopes its this one)

3. derren can predict the lottery, he tells us how to do so and he single handadly has killed the lottery XD

[Kardan]

I'm sorry but I just don't believe it, Firstly if you were watching it his facial expression was all an act. He was trying to act shocked when the numbers came out, but you could see right through it. This was not a prediction in my eyes. What i think was done was as the numbers were being called out the numbers on the balls were being change, I would believe it if he showed us the numbers he predicted it to be first then showed the acctual lottery, he said they couldn't for legal reasons. Perhaps I'm just being negative because in my mind I think its impossible.

Of course he didn't predict the lottery numbers, we all know that!

What we're trying to figure out is how he got the numbers on the balls without us seeing.

[Mint]

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

That's spot on.

[Kardan]

It seems likely that the split screen is true, although when you usually watch other DB things, you usually think you've got it and then he twists it on it's head and reveals he did it some totally different way, so it wouldn't surprise me if that happens... But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was split screen.

[Black_Apalachi]

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).


I'm sorry but I just don't believe it, Firstly if you were watching it his facial expression was all an act. He was trying to act shocked when the numbers came out, but you could see right through it. This was not a prediction in my eyes. What i think was done was as the numbers were being called out the numbers on the balls were being change, I would believe it if he showed us the numbers he predicted it to be first then showed the acctual lottery, he said they couldn't for legal reasons. Perhaps I'm just being negative because in my mind I think its impossible.

Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.


How can he make them forget but not us? [...]

We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.

[Lost_Addict]

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).



Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.



We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.


Exactly

[Wayne]

http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html

Best explanation i've seen

Yeah I believe that is true out of all the suggestions.

[Hitman]

I give up reading page after page of, 'omgzz why didn't he buy a lottery ticket???' HE DIDN'T PREDICT THE NATIONAL LOTTERY DRAW. IT WAS AN ILLUSION. YOU WILL FIND OUT HOW (he wants you to think) THE ILLUSION HAPPENED TONIGHT :).



Everything he does is part of the act. When he muddles up words, when he "forgets" someone's name, when he "forgets" which envelope they picked, when he double-checks what's in each envelope, how he seems to sort of ramble a bit when he's talking a lot and how he speaks quite quickly - it's all little things that are part of the overall spectacle.



We weren't constantly fixated on the whole show like the audience were. We saw it from various camera angles at different times. We probably didn't even see the whole thing as parts may have been cut out; for example if he did hypnotise anybody, that can not be broadcast on TV.

Regarding the part in bold, I think that's wrong. Richard Hammond was hyponitised by Paul McKenna on Top Gear once...

edit: ah the actual hypnosis being performed can't be shown, but when they're "under" it can, if that's what you meant then sorry, you're right.

[Black_Apalachi]

Regarding the part in bold, I think that's wrong. Richard Hammond was hyponitised by Paul McKenna on Top Gear once...

edit: ah the actual hypnosis being performed can't be shown, but when they're "under" it can, if that's what you meant then sorry, you're right.

Yeah I meant the actual hypnotising process :).

As for the theory in that link, it sounds the most plausible so far but if it does turn out to be how he did it, it's going to be one hell of a drag to fill the time slot but more importantly, I'll have much less respect for Mr. Brown.

I don't see the point of an illusionist who we all know is capable of extraordinary things, lowering himself to such a basic, boring and pointless "trick" that quite frankly anyone could do. Camera tricks can't be considered illusions in my opinion; you don't need years of experience and practicing as you obviously do with most of Derren Brown's work, just to tell a camera man to freeze a screen and overlap it onto a live screen :rolleyes:.

The only reason there is so much hype around this is Derren Brown. We have seen what he can do so we expect greater things. If it was someone unknown, we'd probably assume they were going to use a simple camera trick but because it's Derren Brown, you almost completely exclude that possibility. The only thing that allows me to believe there is a chance that this is the case, is the horse race thing he did. That was also another pointless exercise as far as he's concerned. All that did was basically tell us the probability of winning when you have betted on all outcomes = 100%. Cheers mate, didn't know you were a maths teacher :eusa_clap.

[Hitman]

Yeah I meant the actual hypnotising process :).

As for the theory in that link, it sounds the most plausible so far but if it does turn out to be how he did it, it's going to be one hell of a drag to fill the time slot but more importantly, I'll have much less respect for Mr. Brown.

I don't see the point of an illusionist who we all know is capable of extraordinary things, lowering himself to such a basic, boring and pointless "trick" that quite frankly anyone could do. Camera tricks can't be considered illusions in my opinion; you don't need years of experience and practicing as you obviously do with most of Derren Brown's work, just to tell a camera man to freeze a screen and overlap it onto a live screen :rolleyes:.

The only reason there is so much hype around this is Derren Brown. We have seen what he can do so we expect greater things. If it was someone unknown, we'd probably assume they were going to use a simple camera trick but because it's Derren Brown, you almost completely exclude that possibility. The only thing that allows me to believe there is a chance that this is the case, is the horse race thing he did. That was also another pointless exercise as far as he's concerned. All that did was basically tell us the probability of winning when you have betted on all outcomes = 100%. Cheers mate, didn't know you were a maths teacher :eusa_clap.

I will also lose some respect towards him if it does turn out to be camera trickery... almost anybody can do that with the right tools...

He did say it took him a year, so it must be something more than just split screen or whatever... I hope it's good, just 2 hours and 45 mins til we find out! :D

[Fez]

I'm going to have a guess that it's both a mix of camera trickery and some sort of big trick he had up his sleeve. Maybe even literally.

[MJJ]

I don't think it is something like splitting the camera screen - I was hoping it would be a bit more complicated than that.

Hopefully there is some other way he managed to pull it off, because I'll be disappointed if it does turn out to be some camera tricks, although that's not really something that Derren would do.

We'll find out in a few hours anyway.

[Lost_Addict]

uno hour left.

[Jessie]

why would it take a year to do a split screen ?

:S

there were loads of ways he could have doen it anyway, i guess we will just find out in an hour?

[kk.]

possibly, misdirection

[Tintinnabulate]

If he did use a split screen, he will come up with a new explaination now as he will now know that everyone would be disappointed with a 'Split-Screen'.

[AlexOC]

HALF OF ONE HOUR

untill we find out

[Lost_Addict]

i bet there was a split screento throw us off but none of the balls actually changed lmao

[AlexOC]

i bet there was a split screento throw us off but none of the balls actually changed lmao

I dont get it :eusa_wall

[Lost_Addict]

i mean that he used split screen to throw us off what he was really doing :P, and he will prove that with the other camera or somthing.

it was just an idea :(

[AlexOC]

i mean that he used split screen to throw us off what he was really doing :P, and he will prove that with the other camera or somthing.

it was just an idea :(

Mmmm

That would be alot interesting-er.

If he says its split-screen i will have a picture of a cow pooing on his face in my sig. deal.

[Lost_Addict]

lmao i'd +rep to see that XD


Also it wouldn't take an hour to say HEY IT WAS SPLIT SCREEN YOUz ALL HAZ BEEN PWNED!!1!!!11!!1!11!1!

[AlexOC]

Maybe he will be talking about his new shows, how to do split screen, and maybe more tricks on the audience (if there is an audience)

[Lost_Addict]

Ya that would make sence.
oh and +rep for just giving me the image of a cow pooing on his head

[Nemo]

Well he's just dismissed every theory ive ever heard, so it must be good.

[dirrty]

the wobbly camera is pissing me off so much lmao

[Jack.Lfc]

Well if he comes out with all formulea ****e, im not buyin it.

[AlexOC]

Yeh, he laughed at the split screen thing, which seemed the most viable.

Also, that guy could of killed Jenny the mouse if he stamped on that cup, but he didnt.

THE WISDOM OF CROWDS

[CJW93]

Where can I watch how he done it?

[dirrty]

this is so boring

[kk.]

Yeh, he laughed at the split screen thing, which seemed the most viable.

Also, that guy could of killed Jenny the mouse if he stamped on that cup, but he didnt.

THE WISDOM OF CROWDS

or would you just avoid 13 because of superstition?

[Misawa]

Oh look, what was that I hear you say? Yes, that's correct, I was right. A mathematical formula based on possibility.

[brandon]

Wow, so he decides to cover up a camera illusion with more 'Mathematics' illusion.

He's no magician, he's a good actor. Derren probably couldn't predict what he's having for dinner.

[Jack.Lfc]

It was just a trick.

[Meanies]

that was a waste of an hour.

[dirrty]

yeah, so that was rubbish :l

[Jordan:A]

Technically he didnt predict them, the other people did most the work

[AlexOC]

Yeh i was wondering why 13 was chosen, i was like 'cos dats a bd numba'

LOL at the end, he's so wierd, how he makes you not know what to beleive

Can't wait for the stuck to my sofa episode

I will video my parents acting like ******s when they cant get up LOL

[Hitman]

Oh look, what was that I hear you say? Yes, that's correct, I was right. A mathematical formula based on possibility.
Congratulations, you were indeed correct. :eusa_clap

[brandon]

Wow, so he decides to cover up a camera illusion with more 'Mathematics' illusion.

He's no magician, he's a good actor. Derren probably couldn't predict what he's having for dinner.
Knew it all along..

I really need the toilet now, but I can't go because I'm stuck to my seat. :rolleyes:

[Fez]

I believe him.

[Neil]

Can't believe people still believe it's camera tricks, he proved in 3 different experiments how it was possible, the first two were human based obviously but the third was clearly mathematical prediction, most people probably dismiss the reality of it because they can't do it themselves, camera tricks are too obvious for Derren, he would not get this sort of coverage if it was just a camera trick. :rolleyes:

[Jordy]

Now someone should create a TV Show following his so-called "Algorithm" and show how they end up with no numbers at all. Of course the only real way to prove it wrong is to do it yourself.

I agree though it's all illusions.

[Hitman]

Now someone should create a TV Show following his so-called "Algorithm" and show how they end up with no numbers at all. Of course the only real way to prove it wrong is to do it yourself.

I agree though it's all illusions.
Could do that... or kidnap him and make him confess to what really happened. That is a joke, if he does get kidnapped it was not by me.

[Jordy]

Could do that... or kidnap him and make him confess to what really happened.Rather typical suggestion from someone called "Hitman" :P

[Sly]

I'm lookin' forward to next weeks episode (:

[Hitman]

Rather typical suggestion from someone called "Hitman" :PHaha it is indeed. :P


I'm lookin' forward to next weeks episode (:
Me too, will be interesting.

[brandon]

Can't believe people still believe it's camera tricks, he proved in 3 different experiments how it was possible, the first two were human based obviously but the third was clearly mathematical prediction, most people probably dismiss the reality of it because they can't do it themselves, camera tricks are too obvious for Derren, he would not get this sort of coverage if it was just a camera trick. :rolleyes:
He even said it was a trick at the end. Plus it explains why he was holding a 'snowflake' as in frozen, and why at the end only half of the productions logo was on. He even explains in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbHBznJuaM&feature=related) that he worked on four events of misdirection. I can't believe how people still don't believe it's a trick. :rolleyes:

[Fez]

I hope he actually hypnotises us, it'll be very interesting to see what he does with us.

[N!ck]

He was lying. There is no way to predict the lottery. Crowds or otherwise.

The most likely reason is the spit screen.

[FlyingJesus]

Oh look, what was that I hear you say? Yes, that's correct, I was right. A mathematical formula based on possibility.

Probability doesn't change week in week out for the lottery and therefore there cannot be anything to gain by studying old results and such, he's just dragging things out by saying that. If he could truly predict the outcome I have no doubt that he'd have simply waited for something massive like a triple Euromillions rollover and then bought the "winning" ticket and get far richer than he ever will in showbusiness.

[Stephen!]

Yeah it's so obvious. That's why there was no audience.

[Dusty-09]

its not split screen but as he said, believe what you want to believe it's your choice :) It was based on will power or something human emotion? How fear creates random predictability and everything. Basically his method wasn't fool proof but it worked :)

[N!ck]

I love the gullibility of the nation :8.

[Hazza]

I love the gullibility of the nation :8.
Agreeeeed! :)

[Lost_Addict]

lol i don't know what to make of that TBH, but i did find the bit at the end quite amusic. i did not fix the lottery or weight the balsl and so on.

[Stefy09]

That's just stupid, theres more of a chance of using lotto buster to choose your numbers than his method

[Kardan]

He said at the end, it's a trick. The 24 people didn't predict the numbers, if they did, why didn't he tell the group of people what the numbers were after they picked them? What harm would that have done :P

There is no maths involved, it was all misdirection. Looking forward to next week :D

Anyone that starts rabbiting on about how he and the group predicted them by will power, maths and wishful thinking is just gullible, the whole of the EVENTS is about misdirection, not if he did predict the lottery numbers :P We all know it's a camera trick, but in the end he's seeing if he can get people to believe a unrealistic method.

[Lost_Addict]

looking forward to next week but theresone problem

Subliminal messaging is banned on all UK television stations. unless he got that passed because of many reasons but mainly it's directly linked to epileptic fits.

[LOLROB]

He was lying. There is no way to predict the lottery. Crowds or otherwise.

The most likely reason is the spit screen.

Agree'd


its not split screen but as he said, believe what you want to believe it's your choice :) It was based on will power or something human emotion? How fear creates random predictability and everything. Basically his method wasn't fool proof but it worked :)

Ahh because Derren said that's how he done it means he actually did ?

What did he say at the end of the show can't remember the last thing he said ahh I take a look on sky plus If I turn tv on in a sec (any 1 remember? the last last last thing he said)

P.S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KODaHprTdxg


Also like this comment from youtube


YOU ARE ALL WRONG!!! It's a fact lottery balls contain helium - a lighter than air gas. It's quite common for lottery balls to rise. I have some and they rise all the time. Some even refuse to come down from the ceiling, Damn stubborn things!!

[Tintinnabulate]

Now I really do believe he used a Split screen.

He says he discovered he can make the chances of predicting the lottery even better in the last 2 weeks. But at the beginning of August, he said his first episode could make or break his career ... so he knew ...

[kk.]

He said at the end, it's a trick. The 24 people didn't predict the numbers, if they did, why didn't he tell the group of people what the numbers were after they picked them? What harm would that have done :P

There is no maths involved, it was all misdirection. Looking forward to next week :D

Anyone that starts rabbiting on about how he and the group predicted them by will power, maths and wishful thinking is just gullible, the whole of the EVENTS is about misdirection, not if he did predict the lottery numbers :P We all know it's a camera trick, but in the end he's seeing if he can get people to believe a unrealistic method.
It's cus Camelot have the right to announce the numbers first etc etc. Not that believe the 24 people predicted it anyway. I mean, how he got the 24 people to get the numbers they did on previous weeks I don't know, maybe, because he knew what numbers they were gonna pick, as that's how the show starte off, him knowing what people would pick.

looking forward to next week but theresone problem

Subliminal messaging is banned on all UK television stations. unless he got that passed because of many reasons but mainly it's directly linked to epileptic fits.

I bet there's some loophole around it if there is a disclaimer at the start or something

[Black_Apalachi]

*watches QI then Jonathan Ross and falls asleep so gets to this thread late* :P

Oh btw, did anyone see at the start when he was entering the studio, he walked along past the cheering crowd but when any of them reached out to touch him or high-five him or whatever, he held his hands up and shouted 'NO!' really angrilly?? :S Has he got OCD? Was really weird.


He even said it was a trick at the end. Plus it explains why he was holding a 'snowflake' as in frozen, and why at the end only half of the productions logo was on. He even explains in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbHBznJuaM&feature=related) that he worked on four events of misdirection. I can't believe how people still don't believe it's a trick. :rolleyes:

It's all those little, kind of subtle, hints he keeps dropping in that make it OK for some reason. I said I'd be really pissed off if it is just the camera trick but the snowflake, the logo and the way he's like 'there will be people who won't believe me' ... 'it was a trick' etc all just help me laugh along.

I was almost turning the channel over at one stage though where I thought he was pursuing the will-power theory and when one of the guys on the team actually said, 'omg we all believed we could do it so we did', douche :rolleyes:. I'd like to know how true the original story is about the ox. I thought it was a bit annoying how there was only about five minutes between each break.

The method of using the people's unconscious thoughts is kind of flawed anyway. He allocated just a single person to look a everyone's results and make out the numbers by himself. If you've got a load of scribbles on a page, you could make out a completely different set of numbers to someone else. :S And when there's a few numbers near each other, like a 5, 7 and a 2 for example, it could be 5 and 72, or 57 and 2, or 5, 7 and 2 or just 572! Then there was one person doing each page of calculations with nobody double-checking. Fail soz.

Hopefully the worst episode is out of the way first anyway. Looking forward to next week!

[Lost_Addict]

lol,i can't wait for the subliminal messaging. but before people say it didn't work and i got out of my seat you have to be really concentrating for subliminal messaging to work.

[kk.]

It's possible he has some sort of OCD, I mean, he nod a lot, and it's really of putting lol

[FlyingJesus]

you have to be really concentrating for subliminal messaging to work.

No you don't that's the whole point of it

[AlexOC]

Wait

Why don't all we try and predict it.

Be more accurate if theres like 400 people.

[Lost_Addict]

No you don't that's the whole point of it

no i don't mean focussing on the subliminal messages i mean watching the show without much distraction, say on your phone. 'cause then you may not see the message and it would be a fail.

[MizMe93]

Oh btw, did anyone see at the start when he was entering the studio, he walked along past the cheering crowd but when any of them reached out to touch him or high-five him or whatever, he held his hands up and shouted 'NO!' really angrilly?? :S Has he got OCD? Was really weird.

I think that might be because of the content of his shows, he cant really have people touching him or people would suspect that they're in on it, handing him something etc. perhaps? I don't know I only just started watching the episode on channel 4 catch up and noticed that too.

[efq]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8 is a way he could of done it

[Feep]

I don't want to know how he did it. It'll take the magic away :(

[jackass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8 is a way he could of done it

Been posted hundreds of times.

[Shinigami]

to me, whether it's fake or not doesn't matter, it was exciting to watch and he's a great entertainer

[Black_Apalachi]

I think that might be because of the content of his shows, he cant really have people touching him or people would suspect that they're in on it, handing him something etc. perhaps? I don't know I only just started watching the episode on channel 4 catch up and noticed that too.

Possibly. He seemed dead freaky about it though.

Btw, whenever he does anything like getting the woman to touch the mouse or getting the guy to stamp on the knife, we'll know it's always not really there so I kind of hope he avoids those kinds of tricks from now on.

I did believe there was a knife under a cup but then again, he probably would have got the guy to actually sign a legal agreement. I also thought the guy was a bit actor-ish because you'd either do it with the hope you stamped on the knife to get the money, or you just wouldn't agree to doing it. And half a million for a knife through the foot was a bit excessive I thought :P.

[kk.]

Possibly. He seemed dead freaky about it though.

Btw, whenever he does anything like getting the woman to touch the mouse or getting the guy to stamp on the knife, we'll know it's always not really there so I kind of hope he avoids those kinds of tricks from now on.

I did believe there was a knife under a cup but then again, he probably would have got the guy to actually sign a legal agreement. I also thought the guy was a bit actor-ish because you'd either do it with the hope you stamped on the knife to get the money, or you just wouldn't agree to doing it. And half a million for a knife through the foot was a bit excessive I thought :P.

it would be different if it was you tho lol, and, i wouldve actually asked for more if im honest. I mean, it would permanently scar you, and could leave you slightly toeless.

[Black_Apalachi]

it would be different if it was you tho lol, and, i wouldve actually asked for more if im honest. I mean, it would permanently scar you, and could leave you slightly toeless.

I would have discussed the exact potential risks with a doctor then thought about it. I was expecting him to say like a grand though haha :P.

[Neil]

He even said it was a trick at the end. Plus it explains why he was holding a 'snowflake' as in frozen, and why at the end only half of the productions logo was on. He even explains in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbHBznJuaM&feature=related) that he worked on four events of misdirection. I can't believe how people still don't believe it's a trick. :rolleyes:

That is fair enough but I highly doubt what he did was technology related, he's an illusionist, it's not camera trickery he is good at, the least believable method as far as I'm concerned is that it was a "split-screen", it's just not what he does, misdirection or not, that's not misdirecting anyone in the sense "hey look at what I'm doing" ("but don't look over here") that's directly editting footage in order to mislead, again, not what he does.

[kk.]

an illusion is defined as:

An erroneous perception of reality. or
An erroneous concept or belief.

so basically, making you believe something else. Which is basically what he did, twice. He first made you think he predicted the lottery, and then gave a bogus reason as to how. Misdirecting you.

[Neil]

an illusion is defined as:

An erroneous perception of reality. or
An erroneous concept or belief.

so basically, making you believe something else. Which is basically what he did, twice. He first made you think he predicted the lottery, and then gave a bogus reason as to how. Misdirecting you.

We'll see what comes of it, I highly doubt it's a "camera trick" still, I don't care what people think, he wouldn't be where he is now with camera tricks, how do you know he didn't want you to THINK it was a camera trick? Misdirecting from what he said, to something completely false? Though all of his shows he makes someone do exactly what he wants without them knowing he wants them to do it, could be the same here, no one but him really knows the real truth, I'm still against the belief that he would use camera tricks.

[kk.]

haha, i know, i was just saying that an illusion basically means making you believe something else. of course, it could be anything, and only him, channel 4, the production team and the camera man know what really happened. Just, his method really doesnt work lol. i would like to believe that it wasnt camera trickery but i really do think it was. Its still a brilliant start to his series though, and the one thing that made me laugh about it was that he pulled in 2.7million viewers and the lottery draws themselves brought in only 2.4mil :P

[N!ck]

We'll see what comes of it, I highly doubt it's a "camera trick" still, I don't care what people think, he wouldn't be where he is now with camera tricks, how do you know he didn't want you to THINK it was a camera trick? Misdirecting from what he said, to something completely false? Though all of his shows he makes someone do exactly what he wants without them knowing he wants them to do it, could be the same here, no one but him really knows the real truth, I'm still against the belief that he would use camera tricks.

Explain how it was done if it wasn't camera trickery then?

It's very likely split-screen and the link posted previously has evidence why.

[Sammeth.]

He's an entertainer, an illusionist, a magician. When he's expaining something its not necessarily how he did it. Rather its simply an explination to make the trick sound more believable and make the person feel more comfortable with the plausibility of it actually being able to happen. He didn't study lottery tickets for a year, and then make an educated guess. Thats just silly. Its a tRiCk. mAgIk.


Oh look, what was that I hear you say? Yes, that's correct, I was right. A mathematical formula based on possibility.


I love the gullibility of the nation :8.

I know right?

[Neil]

Explain how it was done if it wasn't camera trickery then?

It's very likely split-screen and the link posted previously has evidence why.

To be honest it's a bit of a waste of time if it was that simple isn't it? Split-screen is something anyone with decent video editting software can do in 5 minutes, very few people KNOW what he actually did and no one on this forum are one of them people so as far as I'm concerned we'll go with "it was just a trick".

[Lost_Addict]

im still suprised they didn't show it from the other cameras point of view... it will probs come out on youtube sooner or later lol

[Inscribe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8

[jackass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8

I'm fed up of that video, can you stop posting it please? :rolleyes:

[9y]

What a load of ********. If he can do it. Without any special tricks or crap like that, Il personally cut my finger off on vid.