BNP to appear on Question Time

[UKIP]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1213699/Senior-government-figure-face-showdown-BNP-Question-Time.html


Gordon Brown last night confirmed that Labour will field a senior cabinet minister to take on BNP leader Nick Griffin on Question Time. The Prime Minister said he was happy to 'expose' the nationalists following the BBC's controversial decision to invite the BNP on to its flagship political programme. Labour has been forced to tear up its long-held policy of refusing to share a platform with the BNP following the move by the corporation.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/15/article-1213699-058DFF15000005DC-531_468x334.jpg The BNP have been invited on the BBC flagship political show Question Time and Labour will field a cabinet minister on the same panel. But during a phone-in on Liverpool's Radio City, Mr Brown said: "I am happy to debate them anytime because they need to be exposed."




That is very good news, democracy as it should be. I think, although I don't support the BNP, that Nick Griffin will rip whoever Labour put up there to pieces because at the end of the day, Griffins more honest than the whole Labour party put together, along with all the expense-fixing MP's from across the board.

What are your thoughts?

[Immenseman]

i think that's ridiculous. they shouldn't be given any more attention than they already receive.

[Technologic]

i think that's ridiculous. they shouldn't be given any more attention than they already receive.

They are still a political party and ALL political parties deserve air time and attention no matter how extreme their views are.

[Hecktix]

i think that's ridiculous. they shouldn't be given any more attention than they already receive.

I think it'll be hilarious, they'll get raped.

Anyone know when it's gonna be aired?

[Immenseman]

i don't buy that view. they shouldn't be given the time of day.

[ifuseekamy]

I hope they send someone good who doesn't just throw the cliche (albeit true) "ur racist so ur wrong" argument around. It'd be better if all the mainstream parties sent out their best debaters to show them up as idiots.

[Ardemax]

racists on a tv show

that cant be good

[Sammeth.]

yeah exactly, it killed big brother.

[Fez]

"May I ask the panel, who is really to blame for the MP expenses scandal?"
"The blacks."

[UKIP]

i don't buy that view. they shouldn't be given the time of day.

In that case, you don't support democracy. I loathe Labour and the left (socialism & communism) but I still think if they are a represented party then they should have equal airtime to other parties such as the Conservatives & UKIP.


"May I ask the panel, who is really to blame for the MP expenses scandal?"
"The blacks."

The MP's are, which, the BNP weren't involved. I do hope Labour send an MP who was involved in the expenses scandel to the panel, because they'll most likely call the BNP all the names under the sun, corrupt etc - yet we had MP's involved in basic fraud & we have a government which does dirty deals with Libya for oil.

[kk.]

youre all saying that the BNP are racist but really, theyre main aim is to stop mass immigration. This isnt stopping real immigrants from getting in the country, its to stop the illegality of it, and to stop the masses from getting in. Trust me, you will, at some point in your life if not already, moaned about a polish person or other nationality has stolen yours or somebody elses job. Its a common british thing to do because its natural thinking.

As well as this, you have whoever else taking benefits. Heres a perfect example, actually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcWe9luerQ

Im not a supporter of BNP, but, when their principles a put into practice, you can see where they are coming from. Its basically what any other country does, especially america. Its not denying people the chance to immigrate here, its just the UK should gain something from them entering.

[UKIP]

youre all saying that the BNP are racist but really, theyre main aim is to stop mass immigration. This isnt stopping real immigrants from getting in the country, its to stop the illegality of it, and to stop the masses from getting in. Trust me, you will, at some point in your life if not already, moaned about a polish person or other nationality has stolen yours or somebody elses job. Its a common british thing to do because its natural thinking.

As well as this, you have whoever else taking benefits. Heres a perfect example, actually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcWe9luerQ

Im not a supporter of BNP, but, when their principles a put into practice, you can see where they are coming from. Its basically what any other country does, especially america. Its not denying people the chance to immigrate here, its just the UK should gain something from them entering.

The sad thing is, standing up for the United Kingdom and its people nowadays is either racist, homophobic or xenophobic.

[StefanWolves]

oh god, i got to watch this, good luck to whoever labour send.

whens it being aired?

[ifuseekamy]

youre all saying that the BNP are racist but really, theyre main aim is to stop mass immigration. This isnt stopping real immigrants from getting in the country, its to stop the illegality of it, and to stop the masses from getting in. Trust me, you will, at some point in your life if not already, moaned about a polish person or other nationality has stolen yours or somebody elses job. Its a common british thing to do because its natural thinking.

As well as this, you have whoever else taking benefits. Heres a perfect example, actually: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etcWe9luerQ

Im not a supporter of BNP, but, when their principles a put into practice, you can see where they are coming from. Its basically what any other country does, especially america. Its not denying people the chance to immigrate here, its just the UK should gain something from them entering.
They are racist because they want a complete hault to immigration (which would be disastrous for the economy) and base this on ethnicity, same with their plans to 'resettle' anyone who isn't an "indigenous Briton", unlike, for example, the Tories or UKIP who want to put limits on immigration. Their policies are academic which is why no mainstream party takes them seriously.

The sad thing is, standing up for the United Kingdom and its people nowadays is either racist, homophobic or xenophobic.
BNP supporters tend to be the anti-British working-class though.

[UKIP]

They are racist because they want a complete hault to immigration (which would be disastrous for the economy) and base this on ethnicity, same with their plans to 'resettle' anyone who isn't an "indigenous Briton", unlike, for example, the Tories or UKIP who want to put limits on immigration. Their policies are academic which is why no mainstream party takes them seriously.

BNP supporters tend to be the anti-British working-class though.

A complete hault on immigration isn't racist, and as far as I know; they want to stop it full stop. They also would offer a voluntary resettlement which when we have gypsies illegally taking peoples' lives and Labour & the Police allowing it - at the end of the day, whats the difference?

I don't really see anything anti-British about the BNP, they are mostly to the left which you could see as anti-British, but as they are facist (mix of right and left) they tend to stick up for British interests even if I dont agree with them all/dont think many of them would work. I know though, that the BNP probably have more respect and faith for this country than anybody in Labour.

[alexxxxx]

A complete hault on immigration isn't racist, and as far as I know; they want to stop it full stop. They also would offer a voluntary resettlement which when we have gypsies illegally taking peoples' lives and Labour & the Police allowing it - at the end of the day, whats the difference?

I don't really see anything anti-British about the BNP, they are mostly to the left which you could see as anti-British, but as they are facist (mix of right and left) they tend to stick up for British interests even if I dont agree with them all/dont think many of them would work. I know though, that the BNP probably have more respect and faith for this country than anybody in Labour.

don't you mean zaNUliarBORE run by McBroon and Bliar beforehand?

[UKIP]

don't you mean zaNUliarBORE run by McBroon and Bliar beforehand?

You've pretty much summed up Labour there, so yes. :)

ZANU - police state, just like Labour have inflicted on us with more CCTV than communist China.
Liar - invasion of Iraq a prime example.
Blair - the man is basically a liar, claims to be a socialist yet is a millionare and hangs around with his billionare 'friends'.

[ifuseekamy]

A complete hault on immigration isn't racist, and as far as I know; they want to stop it full stop. They also would offer a voluntary resettlement which when we have gypsies illegally taking peoples' lives and Labour & the Police allowing it - at the end of the day, whats the difference?

I don't really see anything anti-British about the BNP, they are mostly to the left which you could see as anti-British, but as they are facist (mix of right and left) they tend to stick up for British interests even if I dont agree with them all/dont think many of them would work. I know though, that the BNP probably have more respect and faith for this country than anybody in Labour.
But a complete hault on immigration and resettlement based on ethnicity is racist; they seem to have this idea that chucking out any non-white will solve all our problems. It isn't just a racism thing either, they have a disturbing sexist and homophobic attitude.

I see them as anti-British because they are holocaust deniers and Hitler supporters which is disgraceful considering the amount of our troops who died defending our country from national socialists. Furthermore they are egalitarian and republican which undermines British culture. I do not think the supporters are patriotic really, they are usually disgruntled jobless people who need a scapegoat to blame all their problems on. Btw I'm not much of a Labour person either.

[UKIP]

But a complete hault on immigration and resettlement based on ethnicity is racist; they seem to have this idea that chucking out any non-white will solve all our problems. It isn't just a racism thing either, they have a disturbing sexist and homophobic attitude.

I see them as anti-British because they are holocaust deniers and Hitler supporters which is disgraceful considering the amount of our troops who died defending our country from national socialists. Furthermore they are egalitarian and republican which undermines British culture. I do not think the supporters are patriotic really, they are usually disgruntled jobless people who need a scapegoat to blame all their problems on. Btw I'm not much of a Labour person either.

They have said (as far as i'm aware) that all immigration would be stopped, therefore thats not racist. The resettlement issue, yes that can be seen as racist but I won't go calling the British National Party racist when Labour and the Police allow criminal gypsies to settle and which in turn, forces other, law-abiding people to resettle.

The holocaust has nothing to do with the history of the United Kingdom and is only related with World War II. As far as i'm aware we fought World War II for free speech, so i'm all for any party having a say on any program no matter how much I disagree with them.. and finally i'm pretty sure the BNP support the monarchy?

[ifuseekamy]

They have said (as far as i'm aware) that all immigration would be stopped, therefore thats not racist. The resettlement issue, yes that can be seen as racist but I won't go calling the British National Party racist when Labour and the Police allow criminal gypsies to settle and which in turn, forces other, law-abiding people to resettle.

The holocaust has nothing to do with the history of the United Kingdom and is only related with World War II. As far as i'm aware we fought World War II for free speech, so i'm all for any party having a say on any program no matter how much I disagree with them.. and finally i'm pretty sure the BNP support the monarchy?
But their anti-immigration policy is based on keeping Britain white (I assume they dont understand the concept of evolution). As holocaust deniers they again show their racist nature, and I think the war was more to do with preventing Hitler taking over.

I think the BNP don't have a particular stance on the monarchy but Griffin himself is a republican. As far as I'm concerned Labour is little different in its 'say one thing, do the opposite' way of working. I doubt the BNP would be anti-EU if they got into power, much like Labour, for one thing they seem to have a lot of links with it and would probably provide them with benefits.

[UKIP]

But their anti-immigration policy is based on keeping Britain white (I assume they dont understand the concept of evolution). As holocaust deniers they again show their racist nature, and I think the war was more to do with preventing Hitler taking over.

I think the BNP don't have a particular stance on the monarchy but Griffin himself is a republican. As far as I'm concerned Labour is little different in its 'say one thing, do the opposite' way of working. I doubt the BNP would be anti-EU if they got into power, much like Labour, for one thing they seem to have a lot of links with it and would probably provide them with benefits.

Their anti-immigration policy is based on that, because theres a very good argument (one which I believe in myself) that multi-culturalism isn't working the way its going at the moment. It can also be seen as common sense to have control over our own borders, as every sovereign nation does.

As for the holocaust denial, thats not racist at all, just like me denying oohh lets say the Boer wars isn't racist. You can have any opinion you want when it comes to history, thats what makes it so interesting. If you start calling people racist for denying certain events in history/believing they were a cover up then you might aswell declare the Fourth Reich now.

The British National Party want to leave the European Union, and I couldn't care less who does it - as long as somebody does it soon. Hitler failed to create a European superstate and we fought a long and hard war to stop it - lets not sign that away in the blink of an eye.

[Cheryl]

To be honest...
1. I hope Nick Griffin gets ripped by both Labour and the Host
2. Hope Labour get put in a tight corner by everyone
3. Hope they all kill each other and the COnservatives come to power (won't happen)

[Ardemax]

there's a petition to stop them going on question time, if it was infront of me, im sure i'd sign it

[UKIP]

there's a petition to stop them going on question time, if it was infront of me, im sure i'd sign it

You support the suppression of a democratically elected party?

..makes me wonder whether World War II was really worth it when people are so eager to follow in the Third Reichs' footsteps.

[Ardemax]

World War 2 worth it? The **** you on about?
Like we had a choice

[UKIP]

World War 2 worth it? The **** you on about?
Like we had a choice

We had a choice between democracy & freedom or a dictatorship & suppression of freedom of speech.

We chose the first option, now in the year 2009 we have people like you calling for a democratically elected party to be barred from having airtime because you dont agree with them, thats what Adolf Hitler did and what millions died for in order to stop that happening.

[Dan2nd]

Surely if they are as bad as everyone is making out appearing on Question Time will truely expose them for what they are? Wouldn't that be a good thing to do?

I'm not a supporter of the BNP but often get annoyed by Politically Correct rubbish I have to put up with in my every day life... surely banning them from appearing on Question time would just proove how as a country we are 'scared' to offend?

[Fez]

I don't get why people are trying to banz them? Let them on it, humiliate themselves. More than likely, the topic of immigration will come up and they'll get pwnt by some common sense guy.

David Dimbely better rip Griffin a new one.

[UKIP]

Surely if they are as bad as everyone is making out appearing on Question Time will truely expose them for what they are? Wouldn't that be a good thing to do?

I'm not a supporter of the BNP but often get annoyed by Politically Correct rubbish I have to put up with in my every day life... surely banning them from appearing on Question time would just proove how as a country we are 'scared' to offend?

You'd think so wouldn't you? :P

The Labour Party are terrified of them, because they actually have public support when it comes down to issues such as immigration, something at a time when unemployment is at a high level, Labour continue to stress how vital immigration is to our economy, and in the meantime we have ethnic groups across the country refusing to engage themselves with this country and basically setting up racial ghettos.

The sad thing is, because the BNP are right on this issue the main parties refuse to debate with them over this; because it'll make a mockery of the United Kingdoms immmigration policy (do whatever the great EU tells us, if they tell us to jump we'll ask how high).

[Ardemax]

labour are scared of the bnp? that's a new one, seems like you're running out of ideas.

and in no way does the bnp have public support on immigration? especially not with the whole of the country, some people would rather him dead than elected

[Bun]

lmao this should be wicked, wish i was there. somet fiesty might kick off with a member of the audience and slick nick lol. i hope the scumbag gets ripped apart.

[UKIP]

labour are scared of the bnp? that's a new one, seems like you're running out of ideas.

and in no way does the bnp have public support on immigration? especially not with the whole of the country, some people would rather him dead than elected

Then you tell me this; why do Labour refuse to debate with the British National Party?

..in the same way they refuse to have a 4-party leadership debate, or a debate over the European Union.

[MrPinkPanther]

Then you tell me this; why do Labour refuse to debate with the British National Party?
It's called a boycott and its very common. It's because they are racist, homophobic scumbags. It's not because Labour think that the BNP will win, out of sheer principle they don't want to discuss with them. Now I don't support Labour, I support the Liberals and to be honest I'd rather vote Conservative than Labour however I don't think the BNP should be given any airtime. Just because they are a political party it doesn't mean they should be given the freedom to say what they want. Yes this is a free country but there are limits. If the Ku klux klan formed a party then should they be allowed to go on Question Time? No.


..in the same way they refuse to have a 4-party leadership debate, or a debate over the European Union.
You have your chance to voice your opinions, just like everyone else. It's called an election and it happens roughly once every 5 years.

[UKIP]

It's called a boycott and its very common. It's because they are racist, homophobic scumbags. It's not because Labour think that the BNP will win, out of sheer principle they don't want to discuss with them. Now I don't support Labour, I support the Liberals and to be honest I'd rather vote Conservative than Labour however I don't think the BNP should be given any airtime. Just because they are a political party it doesn't mean they should be given the freedom to say what they want. Yes this is a free country but there are limits. If the Ku klux klan formed a party then should they be allowed to go on Question Time? No.


You have your chance to voice your opinions, just like everyone else. It's called an election and it happens roughly once every 5 years.

..so basically you just think we should have elections, and thats it. What a sad concept on democracy and politics you must have. The difference between the KKK and the BNP is that the BNP is a democratically, legal party which holds European Parliament seats - therefore Labour or the main parties should not be allowed to ignore this, Labour don't run Question Time and no party ever should.

[MrPinkPanther]

..so basically you just think we should have elections, and thats it. What a sad concept on democracy and politics you must have.
No, but labour were democratically elected so they shouldn't be forced to do something if they do not want too. They represent the populations views. Anyway, direct democracy doesn't even work.


The difference between the KKK and the BNP is that the BNP is a democratically, legal party which holds European Parliament seats - therefore Labour or the main parties should not be allowed to ignore this, Labour don't run Question Time and no party ever should.
I don't think you understand. Labour don't run Question Time and don't want to, all they said is that they don't want to appear on Question Time with the BNP (although now they say they will). It's the general population who don't want the BNP to appear on question time.

Oh and also stop avoiding the Racism and Homophobia topics. The BNP are clearly both.

[Ardemax]

UKIP i don't like the way you argue

You seem to be so sure that BNP is the way forward


BNP as said, are racist scumbags, who don't deserve to be on question time

next time someone should throw more than an egg and nick griffin

[UKIP]

No, but labour were democratically elected so they shouldn't be forced to do something if they do not want too. They represent the populations views. Anyway, direct democracy doesn't even work.

I don't think you understand. Labour don't run Question Time and don't want to, all they said is that they don't want to appear on Question Time with the BNP (although now they say they will). It's the general population who don't want the BNP to appear on question time.

Oh and also stop avoiding the Racism and Homophobia topics. The BNP are clearly both.

The British National Party are democratically elected & are legal.

I understand very much thank you, it is you who does not understand democracy and its values, because you refuse to accept that other parties have different views compared to yours, and therefore they should be refused a voice on a political panel.

The Labour Party are controlling Question Time in this way, they are attempting to change Question Times' stance on this subject by using blackmail, aka threatening not to take part if they dont get their way. I really think what was the point of fighting a world war when people like you think that anyone who has views different to yours should not be allowed to speak them, in other words a Nazi outlook.

I am not avoiding them topics, we are not discussing whether the British National Party is right or wrong, we are discussing whether as a democratically and legal party, they should have the right to take part in a public-funded porgram. ..especially when the common sense would show that a portion of the license payer actually voted them into office.


UKIP i don't like the way you argue

You seem to be so sure that BNP is the way forward

BNP as said, are racist scumbags, who don't deserve to be on question time

next time someone should throw more than an egg and nick griffin

..you have just proven my point, you dont like the way I argue so you attempt to link me to the British National Party and then later go on to call them racists, aka calling me a racist basically. You are just the same as Labour, using dirty tactics and smears against me when you have nothing else to say thats worthwhile.

You dont agree with the BNP, neither do I on some issues as I think they are way to the left side of politics yet I still accept they should be allowed a voice on a political program, because I support democracy.

The last thing you said, just shows you are just as violent, if not worse than some of the BNPs' members.

[Ardemax]

you take a quote from someone, talk about it in your view, and the way you want it, just like the media.

[UKIP]

you take a quote from someone, talk about it in your view, and the way you want it, just like the media.

..otherwise known as debating.

Instead of having a go at how I debate and my tactics, why don't you actually put a case across as the thread at the top of this forum asks?.

[MrPinkPanther]

The Labour Party are controlling Question Time in this way, they are attempting to change Question Times' stance on this subject by using blackmail, aka threatening not to take part if they dont get their way. I really think what was the point of fighting a world war when people like you think that anyone who has views different to yours should not be allowed to speak them, in other words a Nazi outlook.
No, they have the right to boycott something if they do not believe in it. If I invited you to my house and Stalin was there should you be oblidged to come? No.


I am not avoiding them topics, we are not discussing whether the British National Party is right or wrong, we are discussing whether as a democratically and legal party, they should have the right to take part in a public-funded porgram. ..especially when the common sense would show that a portion of the license payer actually voted them into office.
The BNP as a party are legal but many of the topics it advocates are not. This is why some people such as police officers are not allowed to join the BNP because it gets in the way of their duties.

You obviously have a very loose grasp of politics and are trying to make it seem that you are not racist or homophobic but your whole attitude towards the BNP suggests otherwise.

[UKIP]

No, they have the right to boycott something if they do not believe in it. If I invited you to my house and Stalin was there should you be oblidged to come? No.


The BNP as a party are legal but many of the topics it advocates are not. This is why some people such as police officers are not allowed to join the BNP because it gets in the way of their duties.

You obviously have a very loose grasp of politics and are trying to make it seem that you are not racist or homophobic but your whole attitude towards the BNP suggests otherwise.

Thats a poor example and you know it. The British National Party were at least elected, unlike Josef Stalin, the European Union, Gordon Brown or Peter Mandelson so in many ways, they've earned it i'm afraid whether we agree with them or not.

I think what you said lastly just proves its you who has no grasp of politics, you see, because the difference between someone like you and someone like me is that I believe in fairness to all opinions, whether I agree with them or not. You on the other hand don't seem to grasp that concept at all, instead you go on to label me a racist/homophobe just because I support the idea of the British National Party being on Question Time (despite me supporting the opposite/s of the BNP, UKIP & the Conservatives).

If i'm racist or homophobic for being democratic, then so be it.

[Ardemax]

sorry, didn't realise you had to have a tag on you that said "WE LOVE RACISTS" before you can debate in this thread

[UKIP]

sorry, didn't realise you had to have a tag on you that said "WE LOVE RACISTS" before you can debate in this thread

..show me where i've been racist/said I am fully behind the BNP.

[LuketheDuke]

Thats a poor example and you know it. The British National Party were at least elected, unlike Josef Stalin, the European Union, Gordon Brown or Peter Mandelson so in many ways, they've earned it i'm afraid whether we agree with them or not.

I think what you said lastly just proves its you who has no grasp of politics, you see, because the difference between someone like you and someone like me is that I believe in fairness to all opinions, whether I agree with them or not. You on the other hand don't seem to grasp that concept at all, instead you go on to label me a racist/homophobe just because I support the idea of the British National Party being on Question Time (despite me supporting the opposite/s of the BNP, UKIP & the Conservatives).

If i'm racist or homophobic for being democratic, then so be it.


Ah your comments are so funny and naive. Question Time is a television show so its not obligated to give airtime to every single political party like the party broadcasts do. Its got nothing to do with democracy

If the BNP were refused a poltical broadcast yes that would be deeply unfair but I dont know why this thread has been taken to such illogical extremes. I wouldnt spend my time talking to a bunch of angry lunatics who dont allow non whites to join their party as I thought society went past that small minded nightmare decades ago.

Also since when did Peers have to be elected into the cabinet, dropped a clanger there mateychops:)

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ah your comments are so funny and naive. Question Time is a television show so its not obligated to give airtime to every single political party like the party broadcasts do. Its got nothing to do with democracy

If the BNP were refused a poltical broadcast yes that would be deeply unfair but I dont know why this thread has been taken to such illogical extremes. I wouldnt spend my time talking to a bunch of angry lunatics who dont allow non whites to join their party as I thought society went past that small minded nightmare decades ago.

Also since when did Peers have to be elected into the cabinet, dropped a clanger there mateychops:)

You have just shot yourself in the foot, well done. The British Broadcasting Corporation is a state company which is obliged by rules, which ensure that all ends of the political spectrum get a say, as the BBC is funded by the license fee payers, whom represent the political spectrum.

The British National Party now have two seats in the European Parliament and can be seen as the sixth biggest party in the United Kingdom, based on proportional representation. You are so arrogant its unbelievable, "their allowed a political broadcast thats it" - thats called covering up, giving the other side less time than yourself which is-not-fair.

I didn't say Peers had to be elected to the cabinet, I said the British National Party actually were elected whereas Peter Mandelson (who has had to resign twice in disgrace) has not won one single election to get into this government, they represent the some of the electorate, whereas he doesn't.

[Ardemax]

BNP shouldn't be aired to the public.


Fin.

[-:Undertaker:-]

..show me where i've been racist/said I am fully behind the BNP.


BNP shouldn't be aired to the public.


Fin.

I'm still waiting for your answer.

[GommeInc]

What's the fuss about the BNP going on Question Time? Political Freedom is what makes this country "arguably" good. They can freely go on if they want, and argue their case. Unless you like political repression and being forced to vote between a limited number of parties, then be my guess ;)

[StefanWolves]

I agree, as my parents are tax payers, which funds the BBC, I'm sure they would welcome all parties view points, they pay for it, why can't they see every parties views?

[MrPinkPanther]

You say they are getting votes so they should be allowed on, fair enough but in the last General Election they got 0.7% of the vote, 0.7! They are the UKs Eighth largest party in terms of General elections. It shows that only a extremely small minority support the BNPs viewpoint which is why more mainstream parties should be allowed on. There are many parties bigger than the BNP that haven't yet been invited to go on Question Time.

Just because the BNP shout the loudest it doesn't mean that they are anywhere near the biggest party.

[-:Undertaker:-]

You say they are getting votes so they should be allowed on, fair enough but in the last General Election they got 0.7% of the vote, 0.7! They are the UKs Eighth largest party in terms of General elections. It shows that only a extremely small minority support the BNPs viewpoint which is why more mainstream parties should be allowed on. There are many parties bigger than the BNP that haven't yet been invited to go on Question Time.

Just because the BNP shout the loudest it doesn't mean that they are anywhere near the biggest party.

Therefore as a party which gained a quite large nationwide vote, along with coming sixth in the latest election that was held (European Parliamentary Elections) and picking up two seats, they are entitled to come onto Question Time in what is supposed to be a democratic, free and fair country.

If you actually watched Question Time you would know that the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, United Kingdom Independance Party, Scottish National Party and the Green Party are often on, meaning the British National Party is not getting more coverage just because they 'shout the loudest' - you just made that up to back your own argument up.

[MrPinkPanther]

Therefore as a party which gained a quite large nationwide vote, along with coming sixth in the latest election that was held (European Parliamentary Elections) and picking up two seats they are entitled to come onto Question Time.

If you actually watched Question Time you would know that the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, United Kingdom Independance Party, Scottish National Party and the Green Party are often on, meaning the British National Party is not getting more coverage just because they 'shout the loudest' - you just made that up to back your own argument up.
They have NO seats in parliament. NONE! They can't claim to represent the British Electorate when they obviously don't. The Democratic Unionist party on the other hand have 9 Seats but I've never seen them on there, they may have been, but I haven't seen them.

I believe any party that promotes ideologies which are against the law gives up any rights that they may be entitled to as a party.

[GommeInc]

You say they are getting votes so they should be allowed on, fair enough but in the last General Election they got 0.7% of the vote, 0.7! They are the UKs Eighth largest party in terms of General elections. It shows that only a extremely small minority support the BNPs viewpoint which is why more mainstream parties should be allowed on. There are many parties bigger than the BNP that haven't yet been invited to go on Question Time.

Just because the BNP shout the loudest it doesn't mean that they are anywhere near the biggest party.
You said it yourself, they shout the loudest. Why not hear what they are shouting about, than care about the other parties who sit in silence doing sweet sod all? Besides, the BNP is the most controversial of the other parties, the others would appear too similar or bore worthy :P

Also, what ideologies are there that break the law in terms of the BNP? They're ideologies for a reason, and I don't think homophobia or racism is necessarily against the law when in the form of an idea :/

[MrPinkPanther]

You said it yourself, they shout the loudest. Why not hear what they are shouting about, than care about the other parties who sit in silence doing sweet sod all? Besides, the BNP is the most controversial of the other parties, the others would appear too similar or bore worthy :P
We've all heard about it. They are on the news more than any of the other minority parties for clashes with other groups about their policies.

Infact the following parties have more seats than the BNP: Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Democratic unionist, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionist, Social Democratic and Labour, Respect, Health Concern and of course Independents.

[-:Undertaker:-]

They have NO seats in parliament. NONE! They can't claim to represent the British Electorate when they obviously don't. The Democratic Unionist party on the other hand have 9 Seats but I've never seen them on there, they may have been, but I haven't seen them.

I believe any party that promotes ideologies which are against the law gives up any rights that they may be entitled to as a party.

The United Kingdom Independance Party have no seats and the Green Party have no seats in the British Parliament, yet they still come on Question Time, more to the point they do represent the British electorate as they came sixth in the European Parliamentary Elections, picking up two seats. The Democratic Unionist Party is a Northern Ireland party and therefore will not be as involved with the mainland as devolution has taken place.

Their ideologies are not against the law as they are not an illegal party, therefore until they are an illegal party it would be democratic of you to actually accept they do represent the British electorate and they are fully entitled to take part in a state funded companies political show.


Infact the following parties have more seats than the BNP: Labour, Conservatives, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Democratic unionist, Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein, Ulster Unionist, Social Democratic and Labour, Respect, Health Concern and of course Independents.

Health Concern do not have any seats in both the European Parliament or the British Parliament, you have made that up. I have already replied as to the Irish issue, and the Welsh & Scottish issues are the same as they have their own parliaments and they are devolved.

[Ardemax]

I'm still waiting for your answer.

man you troll lol.


first of all, i never said you were fully behind the BNP?
so that's one point :S

[MrPinkPanther]

The United Kingdom Independance Party have no seats and the Green Party have no seats in the British Parliament, yet they still come on Question Time, more to the point they do represent the British electorate as they came sixth in the European Parliamentary Elections, picking up two seats. The Democratic Unionist Party is a Northern Ireland party and therefore will not be as involved with the mainland as devolution has taken place.
I think you'll find that the European elections do not accuratly portray the electorates views, any person with a decent grounding in Politics knows that and infact you learn it as part of the A Level syllabus. Many people choose to vote for extremist parties as a "Protest vote".



Their ideologies are not against the law as they are not an illegal party, therefore until they are an illegal party it would be democratic of you to actually accept they do represent the British electorate and they are fully entitled to take part in a state funded companies political show.
So you are saying that being Homophobic and Denying the Holocaust isnt against the Law?

I would like to add that Health Concern do have a seat in parliament. Although Richard Taylor is officially an independent he is a member of Health Concern and fully advocates their policies in parliament. This is why on most results tables you will see it as Health Concern having recieved one seat in Parliament.

[-:Undertaker:-]

man you troll lol.


first of all, i never said you were fully behind the BNP?
so that's one point :S

I troll? - thats a new one.

You implied I was behind the British National Party, attempting to link me to the BNP and then later on in your post you said how the British National Party are racist, therefore you are implying that I am racist.

Maybe now you'd like to tell me how I am racist despite the fact I don't support the British National Party?


I think you'll find that the European elections do not accuratly portray the electorates views, any person with a decent grounding in Politics knows that and infact you learn it as part of the A Level syllabus. Many people choose to vote for extremist parties as a "Protest vote".

So you are saying that being Homophobic and Denying the Holocaust isnt against the Law?

If you knew anything about proportional representation then you would know that it is the most democratic and fair voting system there is, despite its flaws when it creates hung parliaments. You are again, dismissing the results the British National Party got, firstly by trying to imply that they have no representation compared to other partys and now you are telling me that people voted for them as a protest vote.

That may be true, but swing voters always tend to vote for the other side as a protest, just like those who voted Labour in 2005 will swing to Conservative in 2010 as a protest.

I do not know the law inside out, although I do support free speech concerning any historical events, more to the point (the one you keep dismissing) the British National Party are a legal, elected party which hold two seats in the European Parliament and came sixth in the 2009 European Elections.


I would like to add that Health Concern do have a seat in parliament. Although Richard Taylor is officially an independent he is a member of Health Concern and fully advocates their policies in parliament. This is why on most results tables you will see it as Health Concern having recieved one seat in Parliament.

If he is not offically Health Concern and is an independant, then he is not Health Concern - end of. There are many examples of that, such as Conservative MP's who vote with Labour and Labour MP's who vote with the Conservatives/Liberal Democrats - they are still a Lib/Lab/Con MP.

[Bun]

when do the monster raving loonies get to go on? :(

[MrPinkPanther]

If you knew anything about proportional representation then you would know that it is the most democratic and fair voting system there is, despite its flaws when it creates hung parliaments. You are again, dismissing the results the British National Party got, firstly by trying to imply that they have no representation compared to other partys and now you are telling me that people voted for them as a protest vote.
I am fully aware of proportional voting systems and in terms of proportionality the best electoral system is the Additional Members System (AMS). They do have little representation and the additional votes that they have obtained over the General Election will generally be protest votes. The BNP and other extremist parties always do better in the European Elections in terms not only of Seats but percentage also.


I do not know the law inside out, although I do support free speech concerning any historical
Even when its the denial of 17 Million deaths which is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt? and yes Holocaust Denial is illegal under European Law.


more to the point (the one you keep dismissing) the British National Party are a legal, elected party which hold two seats in the European Parliament and came sixth in the 2009 European Elections.
I don't keep dismissing that, not at all. Like I keep saying the European elections do not represent British views. People often vote in protest and even if that weren't true, only 34% of the voting population voted in the Election. This reduces the legitimacy of the victory because it will be more extreme and politically motivated people that are likely to vote and the "drifters" between Labour and the Conservatives won't because they honestly aren't that bothered. If you want electoral results then you have to look at the General Elections.



That may be true, but swing voters always tend to vote for the other side as a protest, just like those who voted Labour in 2005 will swing to Conservative in 2010 as a protest.
No, not at all. Protest voters tend to vote for extremist parties whomn they feel have little chance of getting anywhere, hence the term "protest", they are throwing their vote away to say "I don't believe in what my party is doing". However the majority of the British electorate do not realise that they do have a chance of getting somewhere under a proportional voting system.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am fully aware of proportional voting systems and in terms of proportionality the best electoral system is the Additional Members System (AMS). They do have little representation and the additional votes that they have obtained over the General Election will generally be protest votes. The BNP and other extremist parties always do better in the European Elections in terms not only of Seats but percentage also.


Even when its the denial of 17 Million deaths which is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt? and yes Holocaust Denial is illegal under European Law.


I don't keep dismissing that, not at all. Like I keep saying the European elections do not represent British views. People often vote in protest and even if that weren't true, only 34% of the voting population voted in the Election. This reduces the legitimacy of the victory because it will be more extreme and politically motivated people that are likely to vote and the "drifters" between Labour and the Conservatives won't because they honestly aren't that bothered. If you want electoral results then you have to look at the General Elections.


No, not at all. Protest voters tend to vote for extremist parties whomn they feel have little chance of getting anywhere, hence the term "protest", they are throwing their vote away to say "I don't believe in what my party is doing". However the majority of the British electorate do not realise that they do have a chance of getting somewhere under a proportional voting system.

If you are fully aware then you would know that proportional representation means the number of votes each party gets reflects the number of seats they get, therefore that annuls your claim of the British National Party not being representative of the British electorate.

I am not saying it didn't happen, I am merely saying that I believe anybody should be able to say what they want about history - thats the beauty of the subject, any European laws I do not see as genuine law as the European Union has won no elections whereas at least the Nazi Party won a big enough share of the vote in one election to form a government. My original point still stands, the British National Party are legal, not illegal.

All elections have low turnout, so in your logic we should forget all elections as we do not get a 100% majority turnout and declare a dictatorship? - give me a break, the European Parliamentary Elections are a measure of public opinion and it showed with the Conservatives increasing their seats and UKIP gaining over Labour at the time, which followed the trends of opinion polls. You are so determined to ignore the factual results of the European Election, the British National Party won two seats, accept it.

A lot of Labour voters turn to the BNP like a lot of Conservative voters turn to UKIP. Therefore i'm afraid protest votes have always existed and you need to accept that, the British National Party won two seats and is therefore entitled to voice their views and the views of a portion of the electorate on Question Time.

What was the point in fighting a world war when people like you are proposing we ban political partys we dont agree with from standing for election?

[Ardemax]

where did i "imply" you were behind the BNP.

[-:Undertaker:-]

where did i "imply" you were behind the BNP.


UKIP i don't like the way you argue

You seem to be so sure that BNP is the way forward


BNP as said, are racist scumbags, who don't deserve to be on question time

next time someone should throw more than an egg and nick griffin


sorry, didn't realise you had to have a tag on you that said "WE LOVE RACISTS" before you can debate in this thread

There and there, so now maybe you'd like to tell me how I have said/support that the BNP are the way forward?.

You could also maybe reply to the other thread aswell, where you named UKIP as racist yet have again dodged my question.

[Technologic]

You can't ban the BNP, live with it.

Anyway, the BNP has essentially run out of money so they're in a big pile of it atm.

[Ardemax]

I said you seem to be so sure the BNP is the way forward

not necessarily backing them

[Madox]

Aalright, one question for UKIP. you say they are not racists nor homophobic explain why they are splashed all over the newspapers BURRING a golly wog? also they adapted the NAZI salute which is also seen as racist, and finally people who do think this UKIP guy dose not understand anything about politics? and even better no one needs to worry hes probably not even old enough to vote!

[Dan2nd]

Aalright, one question for UKIP. you say they are not racists nor homophobic explain why they are splashed all over the newspapers BURRING a golly wog? also they adapted the NAZI salute which is also seen as racist, and finally people who do think this UKIP guy dose not understand anything about politics? and even better no one needs to worry hes probably not even old enough to vote!

He hasn't said either he has mearly been saying that their views may be unpopular but that doesn't make them an illegal party:


Their ideologies are not against the law as they are not an illegal party, therefore until they are an illegal party it would be democratic of you to actually accept they do represent the British electorate and they are fully entitled to take part in a state funded companies political show.


I have no idea how old he is but what has that got to do with anything? Does not being old enough to vote mean you are excempt from having any sort of an opinion....

I'll repeat what I said earlier if the BNP are so bad surely it would be good to put them on the show so they will be exposed. Personally I will be watching that edition of Question Time because I'll be quite interested to see how they react to the public's questions.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I said you seem to be so sure the BNP is the way forward

not necessarily backing them

That is backing someone, and if you actually read my posts properly you'd notice I am supporting the idea of democracy and free speech by letting them on a show such as Question Time.


Aalright, one question for UKIP. you say they are not racists nor homophobic explain why they are splashed all over the newspapers BURRING a golly wog? also they adapted the NAZI salute which is also seen as racist, and finally people who do think this UKIP guy dose not understand anything about politics? and even better no one needs to worry hes probably not even old enough to vote!

I haven't said they aren't racist, I have said before some of their policies go too far and I know the party is home to a host of racist thugs, if you'd of actually read my posts properly you'd know that I don't support the British National Party as it is a mix of left and right politics (facism) and I think if they did gain power they would actually ruin the economy with their left wing ideas - futhermore thats why my account is called UKIP and not BNP.

The British National Party are legal, democratically elected and the sixth biggest party within England - you talk about Nazism but yet by banning the BNP you'd be carrying out exactly the same policy as Hitler did after gaining office.

[Ardemax]

That is backing someone, and if you actually read my posts properly you'd notice I am supporting the idea of democracy and free speech by letting them on a show such as Question Time.



I haven't said they aren't racist, I have said before some of their policies go too far and I know the party is home to a host of racist thugs, if you'd of actually read my posts properly you'd know that I don't support the British National Party as it is a mix of left and right politics (facism) and I think if they did gain power they would actually ruin the economy with their left wing ideas - futhermore thats why my account is called UKIP and not BNP.

The British National Party are legal, democratically elected and the sixth biggest party within England - you talk about Nazism but yet by banning the BNP you'd be carrying out exactly the same policy as Hitler did after gaining office.


you go off on other stuff than the thing discussed
i haven't said anything about your democracy?

im pretty sure everyone believes in it..

[Bun]

QT with the BNP is set for 22nd October, im actually really looking forward to it lol.

[-:Undertaker:-]

you go off on other stuff than the thing discussed
i haven't said anything about your democracy?

im pretty sure everyone believes in it..

You've just changed the subject yet again. As for democracy, anybody who thinks the British National Party should be barred from a political program is not democratic, end of.

[Ardemax]

You've just changed the subject yet again. As for democracy, anybody who thinks the British National Party should be barred from a political program is not democratic, end of.


if they knew who the BNP were, im sure they'd understand

[-:Undertaker:-]

if they knew who the BNP were, im sure they'd understand

Then they aren't democratic, I don't know why your arguing; supressing opposition is not democratic, there are no if or buts about it.

[Bun]

You've just changed the subject yet again. As for democracy, anybody who thinks the British National Party should be barred from a political program is not democratic, end of.
i'm not arguing cos i agree with you but the counter argument to that is that the BNP do not offer democratic policies, so why should they benefit from a democracy? well i say benefit, but really they'll just get torn apart anyway.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i'm not arguing cos i agree with you but the counter argument to that is that the BNP do not offer democratic policies, so why should they benefit from a democracy? well i say benefit, but really they'll just get torn apart anyway.

I haven't seen the British National Party calling for elections to be ended, or for Labour to be barred from Question Time, so would you mind telling me their undemocratic policies?. It amazes me how you are so quick to jump on the attack towards the British National Party about undemocratic, when you have ruling government which refuses to give its people a referendum (that was promised) on the European Lisbon Treaty, a government which is determined in creating massive databases, a government which spent billions on a failed ID card scheme, a government which has unelected frauds working in the top of government despite not being elected and a government which bars people (this topic being a prime example) from speaking their own mind.

They should benefit from democracy because democracy is exactly that, nobody is discriminated against for their views. That is democracy, and it is being trampled on. Instead of ranting on about the British National Party which doesn't even have any seats in parliament, maybe take a look at Labour and rethink who really is the undemocratic one.

The ruling left elite is always keen to shout and scream, but won't assess its own socialist, fascist policies.

[uje]

and a government which bars people (this topic being a prime example) from speaking their own mind. Since when was HabboxForum apart of the government? That’s news to me.

If the government really wanted to bar others from speaking there mind, do you really think the BNP will have ANY place on television on a show that most of the time has there guests and viewers speak there mind? This is NOT an example of the government barring others to speak there own mind because this is not the government is it?

The BNP has in the past openly promoted Anti-Semitism. Currently the BNP have been claiming that they no longer support Anti-Semitism, yet many of there members still promote it openly with no repercussions. Phil Edwards for one was recorded talking openly racist. Then later said that if he knew he was going to be recorded he would have not used the language he did, but then later said that the “facts” were there. I think the party is very extreme and there failure to change their ***** image from violent racist thugs is hilarious. I mean Nick Griffin would go out and say how they have Jewish members (which they do) and how they have changed there views from Anti-Semitism then later that year a few of the members started endorsing a holocaust denial booklet! In fact the author of that booklet was also written by one of the members of the BNP. It’s like the members don’t even listen to what they supposedly support and don’t support anymore! :P If they were to come to power, it would be hell.

But in all honesty, that should not stop them from sharing there views over television just like any other party, As long as they keep by the law and by the television standards. Also governments spend billions on failed schemes all the time, in fact some governments seem to be able to make money disappear: http://www.russiatoday.ru/Politics/2009-08-06/federal-reserve-bailout-media.html

[Ardemax]

some of these posts are getting awfully long lol..

but yeah like someone said, some of their policies are down right bad and yet they want to rule the country with them?

[-:Undertaker:-]

some of these posts are getting awfully long lol..

but yeah like someone said, some of their policies are down right bad and yet they want to rule the country with them?

That is politics and democracy.

[Ardemax]

politics is not about racial discrimination

[-:Undertaker:-]

I never said it was, but you need to learn that people have different opinions to you and they have a right to be heard, especially when holding two elected seats in the European Parliament.

[Ardemax]

so that gives hitler the right to kill all the jews?

i know it's not on that scale but that was his opinion of "they are not human".

ok granted people have different opinions, but people need some common sense...

[-:Undertaker:-]

so that gives hitler the right to kill all the jews?

i know it's not on that scale but that was his opinion of "they are not human".

ok granted people have different opinions, but people need some common sense...

What has the issue of appeasement and the rise of the Third Reich in the 1930s'/1940's have to do with the British National Party being on a political program in 2009?.

I'm not arguing about British National Party policy, i'm arguing about the democratic rights that we fought against Adolf Hitler to defend and preserve. I could say the same thing about Labour for example because half of their policies don't have comon sense, that doesn't mean they should be banned from politics though, does it?.

[Ardemax]

some of their policies are slightly dodgy and go against people, that's why they shouldn't be aired

[-:Undertaker:-]

I could argue that Labours' CCTV culture and their lax stance on crime goes against the people, so what is your argument?.

[Bun]

I haven't seen the British National Party calling for elections to be ended, or for Labour to be barred from Question Time, so would you mind telling me their undemocratic policies?. It amazes me how you are so quick to jump on the attack towards the British National Party about undemocratic, when you have ruling government which refuses to give its people a referendum (that was promised) on the European Lisbon Treaty, a government which is determined in creating massive databases, a government which spent billions on a failed ID card scheme, a government which has unelected frauds working in the top of government despite not being elected and a government which bars people (this topic being a prime example) from speaking their own mind.

They should benefit from democracy because democracy is exactly that, nobody is discriminated against for their views. That is democracy, and it is being trampled on. Instead of ranting on about the British National Party which doesn't even have any seats in parliament, maybe take a look at Labour and rethink who really is the undemocratic one.

The ruling left elite is always keen to shout and scream, but won't assess its own socialist, fascist policies.
god dammit you are one messed up kid. im sorry but jesus christ what do you see in that brain of yours? i can't be chewed arguing with you because i know it would be like arguing with my mam - victory for me would not be possible, no matter on what is said.


oh and erm if the bnp aren't undemocratic, how come they restrict people with foreign heritage joining them? surely their voices should be heard? if the bnp's policies are all well and proper then it shouldn't be a problem should it?

[-:Undertaker:-]

god dammit you are one messed up kid. im sorry but jesus christ what do you see in that brain of yours? i can't be chewed arguing with you because i know it would be like arguing with my mam - victory for me would not be possible, no matter on what is said.


oh and erm if the bnp aren't undemocratic, how come they restrict people with foreign heritage joining them? surely their voices should be heard? if the bnp's policies are all well and proper then it shouldn't be a problem should it?

You don't have a reply basically, instead of accusing me of being messed up and so on, why don't you actually go and prove that by proving me wrong. You won't though, because you don't have an answer anymore.

If I was a Labour MP & minister and I spoke out against Gordon Brown/Labour policies in support of the Conservatives, I would be thrown of out the party. The British National Party has just about any right, although we can disagree with it, to choose who and who does not join their political party.

The BNP are legal, democratically elected and therefore have a right to be on a state-funded program, especially after gaining two seats.

You are so arrogant of democracy, anything that you dont agree with you wish to ban just because you dont agree with it, do you know who else follow those same lines? - Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and countless other socialist mass murderers.

I always get the feeling you are just repeating what your family/friends tell you on politics, meaning you yourself don't actually know what your talking about, only proven by your unwillingness to give a proper answer to my post - if you know nothing about history, you know nothing about politics.

[Japan]

politics is not about racial discrimination

I completely agree.
Why some people are suddenly standing behind the fascists is beyond me. They would discriminate again my mother, my sisters, myself and half of my family just because we are mixed-race.
England is a developed and multicultural country and we have no room for people who could quite happily kick out anyone who was not white.
(hi5 to whoever threw that egg at Nick Griffin.)

[ifuseekamy]

I completely agree.
Why some people are suddenly standing behind the fascists is beyond me. They would discriminate again my mother, my sisters, myself and half of my family just because we are mixed-race.
England is a developed and multicultural country and we have no room for people who could quite happily kick out anyone who was not white.
(hi5 to whoever threw that egg at Nick Griffin.)
It's okay, the BNP now consider you "tragic victims of multiculturalism" :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

I completely agree.
Why some people are suddenly standing behind the fascists is beyond me. They would discriminate again my mother, my sisters, myself and half of my family just because we are mixed-race.
England is a developed and multicultural country and we have no room for people who could quite happily kick out anyone who was not white.
(hi5 to whoever threw that egg at Nick Griffin.)

I'm standing behind democracy because if you dont stand behind democracy, you are a facist.

On the note of multi-culturalism, we are slightly, but we are moving away from that because of racial ghettos which are being settled in, meaning multi-culturalism is failing and racial riots will arise in the future (just like they did in France) if this is not sorted.

[Japan]

Racial riots?
What do you mean by that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Racial riots?
What do you mean by that.

If people of different race/relgion/nationality do not intergrate in the United Kingdom and all settle in one area (as is happening now around the country) it lays down the foundations for riots/conflicts in the future, as with what happend in France only a few years ago.

[Ardemax]

undertaker mate, not being funny, but where else do you expect them to settle? if they know their relatives are settling in one area of a city, of course theyre going to join them

theyve given our city no problem, infact, the "gangstaz" people do the city more harm

[Bun]

You don't have a reply basically, instead of accusing me of being messed up and so on, why don't you actually go and prove that by proving me wrong. You won't though, because you don't have an answer anymore.

If I was a Labour MP & minister and I spoke out against Gordon Brown/Labour policies in support of the Conservatives, I would be thrown of out the party. The British National Party has just about any right, although we can disagree with it, to choose who and who does not join their political party.

The BNP are legal, democratically elected and therefore have a right to be on a state-funded program, especially after gaining two seats.

You are so arrogant of democracy, anything that you dont agree with you wish to ban just because you dont agree with it, do you know who else follow those same lines? - Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot and countless other socialist mass murderers.

I always get the feeling you are just repeating what your family/friends tell you on politics, meaning you yourself don't actually know what your talking about, only proven by your unwillingness to give a proper answer to my post - if you know nothing about history, you know nothing about politics.
that's completely different. if you are elected for a party you are a representative of them, if you speak out of line, then you deserve to lose your place. that is different from the bnp restricting who can join their party.

I'm standing behind democracy because if you dont stand behind democracy, you are a facist.

On the note of multi-culturalism, we are slightly, but we are moving away from that because of racial ghettos which are being settled in, meaning multi-culturalism is failing and racial riots will arise in the future (just like they did in France) if this is not sorted.
so you're standing behind democracy to fight facism, and defending the facists while you're at it? which is it you really mean?

oh and your second point is a load of trash, the only way we will take a backwards step in multi-culturalism is if facist groups like the bnp get in power.

If people of different race/relgion/nationality do not intergrate in the United Kingdom and all settle in one area (as is happening now around the country) it lays down the foundations for riots/conflicts in the future, as with what happend in France only a few years ago.
most "race" riots are created by "skinheads", spurred on by parties such as the, oh shock, National Front/BNP.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am not defending the facists, defending democracy is not defending facism.