ICC Champions Trophy

[Tintinnabulate]

Group A
Australia
India
Pakistan
West Indies

Group B
South Africa
New Zealand
Sri Lanka
England

Following the group stage the top 2 teams from each group will progress to the semi finals where the winner of Group A will play the runner up of Group B (in the 1st semi-final) and the winner of Group B will play the runner up of Group A (in the 2nd semi-final).

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I would prefer India to win, but I don't see that happening with many of our best players not playing due to injury.
South Africa ftw if India lose.

[Tintinnabulate]

Sehwag, Gambhir and now Yuvraj are all injured and cannot play :\
Yuvraj fractured his finger during practice :\ So 3 great batsment gone! Yuvraj is a very good batsmen, bowler and a great fielder.

I dont see India winning this now.

[Immenseman]

england gna show their skillz!

[StefanWolves]

Sehwag, Gambhir and now Yuvraj are all injured and cannot play :\
Yuvraj fractured his finger during practice :\ So 3 great batsment gone! Yuvraj is a very good batsmen, bowler and a great fielder.

I dont see India winning this now.

exactly my point when i said 'england are playing crap because they're without flintoff, and pieterson' - but your threw that back in my face with 'it doesn't make a difference! ud still be crap!!' - nice going! :eusa_danc

[Immenseman]

he only said that because it was england, when it's his own team, it's different. ah well, gl to all involved :)

[StefanWolves]

he only said that because it was england, when it's his own team, it's different. ah well, gl to all involved :)

exactly, contradicted himself much. ;)

[Wyked]

West Indies certainly not looking to clever at the moment. :)

[Browney]

Group A
Australia
India
Pakistan
West Indies

Group B
South Africa
New Zealand
Sri Lanka
England


Underline I think are cert. Italics is 50/50.

[Andeeh]

Haha pakistan only need 99 from 40 overs. after all i think its their youngsters.

i would be happy if england could win just one

[StefanWolves]

Underline I think are cert. Italics is 50/50.

bit optimistic! ;) england haven't got a chance in that group, sri lanka are a certainty.

[Blinger1]

I was going to say Australia have it easy, until I saw that we have India.. but we should be good, oh how i hope england get smashed :D

[StefanWolves]

I was going to say Australia have it easy, until I saw that we have India.. but we should be good, oh how i hope england get smashed :D

me too.

[Tintinnabulate]

exactly my point when i said 'england are playing crap because they're without flintoff, and pieterson' - but your threw that back in my face with 'it doesn't make a difference! ud still be crap!!' - nice going! :eusa_danc

I said we wont win the final, or there is less chances. Doesn't mean we wont win any matches. We have won the last 2 series without them ... and beat Australia and trashed England, Sri Lanka and West Indies ...
And if you forgot, no one thought India would win the inaugural T20 World Cup as none of the big players were playing, but we made record by smashing England to 6 6's (thanks Flintoff) and by winning it.
Pakistan did the same this year. No one thought they would win, but they did.

The problem with England is that they rely fully on Flintoff and KP, the rest aren't great. We do not rely on Gambhir or Sehwag alone, and that was demonstrated when we trashed Sri Lanka and won the Compaq Cup this month.

I am sure KP and Flintoff didn't cause you to lose 6-1. Otherwise you shouldn't even have bothered going to South Africa considering KP isnt playing and I don't think Flintoff is either.
Just pray South Africa go easy on you guys.

I think it will be SA, SL, India and Australia in the semis.

[Smiddy]

New Zealand will win this tournament! I hope.

England haven't got a chance, Bresnan is a rubbish bowler! Need to play 2 spinners, colly, dimi and wright to stand a chance of winning even one match. Our medium bowlers are better at ODI's than our quickies!

Btw Saurav, Yuvraj struck Broad for 6 6's, not Fred :P

[Tintinnabulate]

New Zealand will win this tournament! I hope.

England haven't got a chance, Bresnan is a rubbish bowler! Need to play 2 spinners, colly, dimi and wright to stand a chance of winning even one match. Our medium bowlers are better at ODI's than our quickies!

Btw Saurav, Yuvraj struck Broad for 6 6's, not Fred :P

I know :) But it was because of Flintoff winding him up just before Broad bowled ;) So really, Flintoff is to thank. :)

I have always said, Collingwood is one of the best players. He doesn't show off or anything and is the one I am always afraid of.

[StefanWolves]

I know :) But it was because of Flintoff winding him up just before Broad bowled ;) So really, Flintoff is to thank. :)

I have always said, Collingwood is one of the best players. He doesn't show off or anything and is the one I am always afraid of.

yh cus collingwood is gonna knock you for 100 off 50 balls and take 5 wickets halls!

[Smiddy]

I know :) But it was because of Flintoff winding him up just before Broad bowled ;) So really, Flintoff is to thank. :)

I have always said, Collingwood is one of the best players. He doesn't show off or anything and is the one I am always afraid of.
rofl Fred does have some great little snipes though, can't remember the nation we were playing but when he came to the crease someone said to him something along the lines of "Put a bit of weight on ain't cha" to which Fred replies "yeah, cos everytime I **** ya missus she gives me a cookie" hahaha, so immature but brilliant!

The England team itself is not exactly rubbish, but they aren't used to all the chopping and changing, mixed up seasons, working all year stuff...
The ECB really needs to be more considerate to not only the players, but the fans; who deserve a good game.
If it were up to me, I'd have 2 series in the English summer (3 tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's); once at the beginning of the season (May..) and another at the end of the season (August).
Then, during the English winter, they'd have only 1 series away from home (3 Tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's) during either January or February.
That way, it gives the England team the best chance to be fully-fit for all their international fixtures in a season; it also gives the selectors a chance to let the team play in the domestic league (Pietersen plays for Hampshire folks, 3 appearances in 5 years I believe!) during the English summer, where the best players then get picked for internationals.
It would also give the players a chance to have a break before any tournaments, like the T20 WC; ODI WC; ICC Trophy; Champions League; IPL.
The players who don't want to enter the IPL or aren't in the Champs League, can sign onto a different club from SA / Aus during the winter if they desire.

All that should really prevent burn-out.

Then the domestic game should be turned into this sort of format, not gonna be perfect cos this is off the top of my head...
May - June = 4 day cricket
June - July = Pro40 cricket
July - August = T20 cricket
August - September = 4 day cricket

That way players can really excel and have the best possible chance to get some form, and potentially earn an England call-up.

Anyone still reading? :P

yh cus collingwood is gonna knock you for 100 off 50 balls and take 5 wickets halls!
He can though, that's the thing. But he's never been told he has to do that, so he becomes a cornerstone for every innings when things go wrong, who rotates the strike with the tail; or, in those very rare cases, can break-loose if England are in a good position when he comes to the crease, he has done it before!
He's also not there to take wickets, he's a containing bowler, economy instead of wickets. Plus on top of that, he is in the top 3 fielders in the world.

[StefanWolves]

rofl Fred does have some great little snipes though, can't remember the nation we were playing but when he came to the crease someone said to him something along the lines of "Put a bit of weight on ain't cha" to which Fred replies "yeah, cos everytime I **** ya missus she gives me a cookie" hahaha, so immature but brilliant!

The England team itself is not exactly rubbish, but they aren't used to all the chopping and changing, mixed up seasons, working all year stuff...
The ECB really needs to be more considerate to not only the players, but the fans; who deserve a good game.
If it were up to me, I'd have 2 series in the English summer (3 tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's); once at the beginning of the season (May..) and another at the end of the season (August).
Then, during the English winter, they'd have only 1 series away from home (3 Tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's) during either January or February.
That way, it gives the England team the best chance to be fully-fit for all their international fixtures in a season; it also gives the selectors a chance to let the team play in the domestic league (Pietersen plays for Hampshire folks, 3 appearances in 5 years I believe!) during the English summer, where the best players then get picked for internationals.
It would also give the players a chance to have a break before any tournaments, like the T20 WC; ODI WC; ICC Trophy; Champions League; IPL.
The players who don't want to enter the IPL or aren't in the Champs League, can sign onto a different club from SA / Aus during the winter if they desire.

All that should really prevent burn-out.

Then the domestic game should be turned into this sort of format, not gonna be perfect cos this is off the top of my head...
May - June = 4 day cricket
June - July = Pro40 cricket
July - August = T20 cricket
August - September = 4 day cricket

That way players can really excel and have the best possible chance to get some form, and potentially earn an England call-up.

Anyone still reading? :P

He can though, that's the thing. But he's never been told he has to do that, so he becomes a cornerstone for every innings when things go wrong, who rotates the strike with the tail; or, in those very rare cases, can break-loose if England are in a good position when he comes to the crease, he has done it before!
He's also not there to take wickets, he's a containing bowler, economy instead of wickets. Plus on top of that, he is in the top 3 fielders in the world.

which is the exact point i was trying to get across to ksoz, but he is not our best player, best fielder by far, best fielder in the world imo.

[Andeeh]

rofl Fred does have some great little snipes though, can't remember the nation we were playing but when he came to the crease someone said to him something along the lines of "Put a bit of weight on ain't cha" to which Fred replies "yeah, cos everytime I **** ya missus she gives me a cookie" hahaha, so immature but brilliant!

The England team itself is not exactly rubbish, but they aren't used to all the chopping and changing, mixed up seasons, working all year stuff...
The ECB really needs to be more considerate to not only the players, but the fans; who deserve a good game.
If it were up to me, I'd have 2 series in the English summer (3 tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's); once at the beginning of the season (May..) and another at the end of the season (August).
Then, during the English winter, they'd have only 1 series away from home (3 Tests, 3 ODI's, 3 T20's) during either January or February.
That way, it gives the England team the best chance to be fully-fit for all their international fixtures in a season; it also gives the selectors a chance to let the team play in the domestic league (Pietersen plays for Hampshire folks, 3 appearances in 5 years I believe!) during the English summer, where the best players then get picked for internationals.
It would also give the players a chance to have a break before any tournaments, like the T20 WC; ODI WC; ICC Trophy; Champions League; IPL.
The players who don't want to enter the IPL or aren't in the Champs League, can sign onto a different club from SA / Aus during the winter if they desire.

All that should really prevent burn-out.

Then the domestic game should be turned into this sort of format, not gonna be perfect cos this is off the top of my head...
May - June = 4 day cricket
June - July = Pro40 cricket
July - August = T20 cricket
August - September = 4 day cricket

That way players can really excel and have the best possible chance to get some form, and potentially earn an England call-up.

Anyone still reading? :P

He can though, that's the thing. But he's never been told he has to do that, so he becomes a cornerstone for every innings when things go wrong, who rotates the strike with the tail; or, in those very rare cases, can break-loose if England are in a good position when he comes to the crease, he has done it before!
He's also not there to take wickets, he's a containing bowler, economy instead of wickets. Plus on top of that, he is in the top 3 fielders in the world.
i fully agree but i would push tests up to 5 :) and make 3 ODI's and 1 T/20

:) also i would rather have domestic t/20 as it was in around about may and june :)

[Immenseman]

good bowling so far from england

[StefanWolves]

good bowling so far from england

amazing infact.

how come you're cautioned but you still have your avatar ect?

[Immenseman]

your avatar doesn't get removed when ya cautioned. look at my first post in this thread, that's why i'm cautioned lmao wth :S

anyways sri lanka 212 all out :D:D not too optimistic seeing as they're one of if not the best bowling nations - fingers crossed anyways

[Andeeh]

its all good and well done for strauss calling angelo matthews back - even though he didnt need too

[Immenseman]

9-1 lol.

[adaym]

Well what do you know.

[Immenseman]

when it was 19-2 i was like oh god :l

see what happens when bopara dropped :P haha. nah he is quality, glad he was dropped though.

[Tintinnabulate]

Didn't see any of it, but well done to England. Those early wickets by England saved them.

[Tintinnabulate]

And I forgot to mention, the biggest match of this tournament starts in 8 hours and five minutes :)

[Blinger1]

who is playing?

[Tintinnabulate]

India vs Pakistan.

Should be interesting. Hard to guess who will win.

And I think its obvious Australia will win the second match today - against West Indies.

[Blinger1]

They haven't had it on the news much recently, it's all been aboutthe AFL grand final...

[Tintinnabulate]

keep an eye on cricinfo.com for all the cricket news :)

[StefanWolves]

Who wrote England off? we beat ARGUABLY the best team in the world, and convincingly last night.

Pakistan and Australia for the wins today though.

[Tintinnabulate]

Who wrote England off? we beat ARGUABLY the best team in the world, and convincingly last night.

Pakistan and Australia for the wins today though.

Sri Lanka are good, but they perform terrible sometimes. They are no where near the best team in the world.

South Africa - without a doubt - are the best team in the world and have remained so for the last 6 years (joint with Australia till this year).

I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan win today, they aren't playing the best of teams and we aren't playing with our best team. Anyone can win and its impossible to predict.

Well done to Johnson for saving Australia just now.

[adaym]

England the best team in the world? Rofl has your mind forgotten the 6-1 trashing? 5-0 in ODI, 3-0 in Test etc.
England are ARGUABLY the worst team in the world, and convincingly so looking at their performance in the last year. Winning 1 match (and not even convincingly) doesn't make you the best team in the world.

South Africa - without a doubt - are the best team in the world and have remained so for the last 6 years (joint with Australia till this year).

I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan win today, they aren't playing the best of teams and we aren't playing with our best team. Anyone can win and its impossible to predict.

Well done to Johnson for saving Australia just now.

who said anything about england being the best team in the world? stop trying to incite arguments.

[Tintinnabulate]

who said anything about england being the best team in the world? stop trying to incite arguments.

I mis read it hence I changed it immediately.
Ask a mod to see the changes I made and I made the changes before you posted :)

[Browney]

bit optimistic! ;) england haven't got a chance in that group, sri lanka are a certainty.


Who wrote England off? we beat ARGUABLY the best team in the world, and convincingly last night.

Pakistan and Australia for the wins today though.

You. I love being right. :eusa_danc

[adaym]

I mis read it hence I changed it immediately.
Ask a mod to see the changes I made and I made the changes before you posted :)
no u didn't, i posted b4 u changed it. look @ the times :eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall

[Tintinnabulate]

no u didn't, i posted b4 u changed it. look @ the times :eusa_wall:eusa_wall:eusa_wall

Hence I said ask a mod to look as I removed it instantly, and then added the Sri Lanka comment after. Moderators can see detailed edits and what the post looked like at the time.

[Immenseman]

134-4 25th over india trying to get 302-9 pakistan

[Tintinnabulate]

India lost :\
Dravid really is great at getting the other player run out isn't he. One of the things which lost us the match Raina wasnt out either :\ And why go for a 3rd run at the end :S

Anyway I think India didn't do too badly considering many key players were injured.

Ah well, Pakistan did well, so well done to them.

[adaym]

Anyway I think India didn't do too badly considering many key players were injured.


wasn't an excuse when pietersen and flintoff were out injured though was it :rolleyes:

[Immenseman]

not a bad display from india considering. pakistan a very good side.

[Tintinnabulate]

not a bad display from india considering. pakistan a very good side.

They have become one since May, yep. They have many young players back and they play for their team now I reckon, unlike before.

[Immenseman]

yeah, i think india will do better against other opponents, i think they looked OK in the bowling and batting - in parts anyway. few lapses to be expected.

[Tintinnabulate]

If Gambhir didn't get run out and if Raina wasn't given out, India could have won. I guess one or two things change the whole match. I am sure the appeal system should come into effect this year.

[StefanWolves]

Pakistan and Australia for the wins today though.

Haha, guess who was rite?


You. I love being right. :eusa_danc

Lol, I was being sarcastic. :P


India lost :\
Dravid really is great at getting the other player run out isn't he. One of the things which lost us the match Raina wasnt out either :\ And why go for a 3rd run at the end :S

Anyway I think India didn't do too badly considering many key players were injured.

Ah well, Pakistan did well, so well done to them.

just haha.


wasn't an excuse when pietersen and flintoff were out injured though was it :rolleyes:

Yes it was, and I like how he dodged this post, and totally ignored it. Typical.

[Tintinnabulate]

Haha, guess who was rite?



Lol, I was being sarcastic. :P



just haha.



Yes it was, and I like how he dodged this post, and totally ignored it. Typical.

Not my fault people here do not read my posts as I have answered it many times. I didn't see the point in answering it again. If the person wants to be lazy and not read my other posts where I have answered it then I don't see the point in answering it again and again.

And it was obvious Australia was going to win OMG I WAS RIGHT COS I SAID THEY WERE GOING TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

And I did say it was going to be hard to guess who will win between India and Pakistan.

[Tintinnabulate]

Bad news for England fans: Matthew Prior might be injured, he wasn't out there warming up with the rest of the England team, Eoin Morgan had the keeping gloves on.

Wonder who will replace him if he isn't playing.


Toss: Ian Bishop is out in the middle with the captains. Smith flips the coin, 'Heads' is the call, Heads it is. England will bat. Strauss confirms Prior is out of the game because of an illness, Morgan will keep. Ravi Bopara gets a game.

Smith says he would have batted first as well but adds that South Africa are generally good chasing at Centurion. Herschelle Gibbs is back, he takes Hashim Amla's place.

[Immenseman]

yeah, prior out. very good start by england, well very good as england starts go anyway.

[StefanWolves]

2 quick wickets, and it's looking average again for England.

[Immenseman]

yup, although both denly and strauss got more than they did against sri lanka and we still won there. looks like NZ will beat sri lanka atm which means they'd be out which would mean england have to only beat SA or NZ to get to semis.

[StefanWolves]

yup, although both denly and strauss got more than they did against sri lanka and we still won there. looks like NZ will beat sri lanka atm which means they'd be out which would mean england have to only beat SA or NZ to get to semis.

I think today is our better chance of winning, believe it or not, SA have pressure on them, they have to win to get through, and England are the underdogs, and England always player better when we are classed as underdogs.

[Immenseman]

at least shah is scoring a bit quicker haha was slower than anything i've seen against sri lanka :lol:

[StefanWolves]

he's terrible at running between the wickets, it makes me laugh. :|

[Immenseman]

He's doing well though, top scorer in this innings up to date and up to 30.

[StefanWolves]

wow, england are playing good... whatsup with them? :8

[Immenseman]

god knows :P shah got his 50

[StefanWolves]

so has collingwood

[Immenseman]

thing about shah he got 44 from 74 balls last time i think. this time so far he's scored 59 from 69 balls. much improved.

[StefanWolves]

Check again, 70 odd off as many balls.

Score line I never thought I'd see England achieve against the best team in the world... 200-2 with 15 overs remaining...

Time to flick over and watch the Wolves me thinks.

[Immenseman]

this is so much better by england. who does shah think he is whacking those sixes?!?!? 84 off 79 balls and colly 61 off 68. great partnership :8

[StefanWolves]

Lmao, just saw these stats; Top 5 biggest sixes so far in the tournament:

1. 101m Shah
2. Shah
3. Shah
4. Shah
5. Shah

[Immenseman]

haha and here i was criticising him in the thread for how slow he scored. made me eat my words, for sure :P

[StefanWolves]

i cannot believe england are doing so well. :8

[Wyked]

Give Smith a runner :(

Have a feeling not giving him one is going to come back and bite us in the tournament.

[StefanWolves]

Lmao, they said no, he was pissed off. Lmaooo.

[adaym]

one man team, one man team, one man team, :eusa_clap
one man team, one man team, one man team, :eusa_clap

surely can't lose it now.

[Wyked]

Even if SA lose, a very gutsy innings from Graeme Smith

[StefanWolves]

I agree. SA have not played good, Greame Smith has been their only good player.

Adam; who's a 'one man team'? :P SA?

[Wyked]

BOWLED HIMMMMMMMMM

[adaym]

50 to get off 19.

[StefanWolves]

50 to get off 19.

I think we can say that England have won?

[Tintinnabulate]

Thats the team England should use more often, forget KP and Flintoff.

[StefanWolves]

Thats the team England should use more often, forget KP and Flintoff.

The same team that you were criticising and laughing at when Australia beat us 6-1? yeh.

We just beat the BEST team in the world, yes, we did it.

[adaym]

We just beat the BEST team in the world, yes, we did it.
probably doesn't count for some reason...

[StefanWolves]

bit optimistic! ;) england haven't got a chance in that group, sri lanka are a certainty.
I was wrong.


Group A
Australia
India
Pakistan
West Indies

Group B
South Africa
New Zealand
Sri Lanka
England

Following the group stage the top 2 teams from each group will progress to the semi finals where the winner of Group A will play the runner up of Group B (in the 1st semi-final) and the winner of Group B will play the runner up of Group A (in the 2nd semi-final).

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I would prefer India to win, but I don't see that happening with many of our best players not playing due to injury.
South Africa ftw if India lose.

SA are out, you are wrong.


Haha pakistan only need 99 from 40 overs. after all i think its their youngsters.

i would be happy if england could win just one

You were wrong.


I was going to say Australia have it easy, until I saw that we have India.. but we should be good, oh how i hope england get smashed :D

England didn't get smashed, you were wrong.


I said we wont win the final, or there is less chances. Doesn't mean we wont win any matches. We have won the last 2 series without them ... and beat Australia and trashed England, Sri Lanka and West Indies ...
And if you forgot, no one thought India would win the inaugural T20 World Cup as none of the big players were playing, but we made record by smashing England to 6 6's (thanks Flintoff) and by winning it.
Pakistan did the same this year. No one thought they would win, but they did.

The problem with England is that they rely fully on Flintoff and KP, the rest aren't great. We do not rely on Gambhir or Sehwag alone, and that was demonstrated when we trashed Sri Lanka and won the Compaq Cup this month.

I am sure KP and Flintoff didn't cause you to lose 6-1. Otherwise you shouldn't even have bothered going to South Africa considering KP isnt playing and I don't think Flintoff is either.
Just pray South Africa go easy on you guys.

I think it will be SA, SL, India and Australia in the semis.

We fully rely on Flintoff? yet you have just posted saying that 'the team we just played is the team that we should play, 'forget Flintoff and Pietersen'', wow?


New Zealand will win this tournament! I hope.

England haven't got a chance, Bresnan is a rubbish bowler! Need to play 2 spinners, colly, dimi and wright to stand a chance of winning even one match. Our medium bowlers are better at ODI's than our quickies!

Btw Saurav, Yuvraj struck Broad for 6 6's, not Fred :P

You were wrong too.


Sri Lanka are good, but they perform terrible sometimes. They are no where near the best team in the world.

South Africa - without a doubt - are the best team in the world and have remained so for the last 6 years (joint with Australia till this year).

I wouldn't be surprised if Pakistan win today, they aren't playing the best of teams and we aren't playing with our best team. Anyone can win and its impossible to predict.

Well done to Johnson for saving Australia just now.

We just beat the best side in the world... we beat what people argue is the best team in the world on Friday. England have improved, and yes I can say this, cause we have just beaten the best two teams in the world; England are now playing like they have the belief that they can be one of the top 3 best teams in the world.

In the end, we were ALL wrong, thank you England for actually making us proud and winning against the best sides, and for most of all, proving us all wrong! :)

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post to cause arguments.

[Tintinnabulate]

We fully rely on Flintoff? yet you have just posted saying that 'the team we just played is the team that we should play, 'forget Flintoff and Pietersen'', wow?


You did yes. You have new players in, different ones. You have obviously read my post in the wrong way... again :rolleyes:

Anyway, its impossible to predict who will win tomorrow. I think the toss will be important. The team batting first seems to win in this tournament, so whoever bats first will need to get a very very good score.

[StefanWolves]

You did yes. You have new players in, different ones. You have obviously read my post in the wrong way... again :rolleyes:

Anyway, its impossible to predict who will win tomorrow. I think the toss will be important. The team batting first seems to win in this tournament, so whoever bats first will need to get a very very good score.

I HOPE INDIA GET THRASHED!!!11

[Immenseman]

england best team in da world! nah good win :) they are quality at times. time and time again they get written off, time and time again they do well.

[Tintinnabulate]

I HOPE INDIA GET THRASHED!!!11

SO DO I!!!!11111 :D
COME ON AUSSIES. KICK INDIAS ASS.


england best team in da world! nah good win :) they are quality at times. time and time again they get written off, time and time again they do well.

They have potential to be very good and in the top 4, but the problem is, they get complacent and then lose. Anderson is excellent.

[Andeeh]

I was wrong.



SA are out, you are wrong.



You were wrong.



England didn't get smashed, you were wrong.



We fully rely on Flintoff? yet you have just posted saying that 'the team we just played is the team that we should play, 'forget Flintoff and Pietersen'', wow?



You were wrong too.



We just beat the best side in the world... we beat what people argue is the best team in the world on Friday. England have improved, and yes I can say this, cause we have just beaten the best two teams in the world; England are now playing like they have the belief that they can be one of the top 3 best teams in the world.

In the end, we were ALL wrong, thank you England for actually making us proud and winning against the best sides, and for most of all, proving us all wrong! :)

Edited by invincible (Forum Super Moderator): Please do not post to cause arguments.

i was never 'wrong' i said I would be happy if england win one.

Yes its a great win but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

[Wyked]

Australia going well at the moment, although they have just lost Hussey, looks like India will be chasing 300+

[Tintinnabulate]

Australia going well at the moment, although they have just lost Hussey, looks like India will be chasing 300+

Highly unlikely that this game will carry on.

Meaning for India to go through:

India must beat West Indies
Pakistan must beat Australia
Then it will depend on net run rate between India and Australia.

For Australia to go through:

They must beat Pakistan
or
the above.

[Tintinnabulate]

So the match was cancelled. Quite a shame. Supposed to rain in India's next match too, so they are pretty much out.

Anyway England vs New Zealand today.

If New Zealand win, they are through, if they lose, Sri Lanka are through.

Considering it will be England, New Zealand/Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Australia in the semis, I don't know who I want to win this cup :\ I will support Sri Lanka, so I hope England beat New Zealand today.

[Blinger1]

Considering it will be England, New Zealand/Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Australia in the semis, I don't know who I want to win this cup :\ I will support Sri Lanka, so I hope England beat New Zealand today.
C'mon Aussies come on!

[Tintinnabulate]

So NZ beat England today.

India will play on the same pitch tomorrow against WI, not really ideal considering they need to win by a large margin if Aussies lose tomorrow. If Aussies win tomorrow then its all useless anyway.

Come on Pakistan. Please beat the Aussies!

[StefanWolves]

That pitch is like a mine field. :/

Even with 148 on the board, England still nearly won, I feel 180 on that pitch is a good score.

[Tintinnabulate]

Its a shame they wont be using a different pitch for tomorrow. Kinda sucks for India, but ah well, I think it would be better if India bat 2nd tomorrow, as chasing in 40 overs would be easier than winning by a 50 run margin on that pitch.

[Andeeh]

what a match between pakistan and australia.

Lucky england get to play them again

[Tintinnabulate]

what a match! stupid 4 in the end saved it for Aussies. they are so lucky, hauritz was nearly bowled out twice!!

[Immenseman]

wudda preferred an aussie england final. ah well.

[StefanWolves]

still funny, maybe time for some revenge v australia? :)

[Immenseman]

we'll have to wait and see. i think england can win.

[StefanWolves]

we'll have to wait and see. i think england can win.

we have a better chance then we did in the odi series against them. lmao.

[Immenseman]

i don't think we really cared in them. we've shown what we can do in the icc when it mattered against two of the best teams so we'll see.

[StefanWolves]

i don't think we really cared in them. we've shown what we can do in the icc when it mattered against two of the best teams so we'll see.

made me laugh, people were starting to jump on peoples backs when we got bowled out for 146 v NZ, but they really don't know anything, that wasn't a bad score on that pitch, and we still nearly won.

[Immenseman]

exactly. i think west indies and india on same pitch aren't they? west indies all out for 129. and india lost 2 wickets in first few overs

[StefanWolves]

exactly. i think west indies and india on same pitch aren't they? west indies all out for 129. and india lost 2 wickets in first few overs

yes they are, it really is a terrible ODI pitch, great TEST pitch though.

[Immenseman]

and plus i think if england had to win to go through they would have done better.

[StefanWolves]

and plus i think if england had to win to go through they would have done better.

yep, it was a nothing game tbh.

[Immenseman]

bring on the aussies :D

[Tintinnabulate]

yep, it was a nothing game tbh.

Just because its a nothing game doesnt mean they shouldn't have put their all into it.
Its simply the wrong attitude.

[Andeeh]

Just because its a nothing game doesnt mean they shouldn't have put their all into it.
Its simply the wrong attitude.
Completely agree with you, people pay money to watch their team play 110%

Also i feel sorry for West Indies fielding their 3rd team, their in turmoil. I hope they can sort it out and maybe relief the days with Courtney Walsh and Micheal holding.

[Tintinnabulate]

Indeed, and because England lost and came 2nd, they now have to play the winner of Group A, which is Australia. If you try and win every game, it motivates you more etc.

Like Pakistan today, they knew they were through, but it was such a good game. No one thought Aussies would struggle, but because Pakistan tried, they got close.

[Immenseman]

I agree with you 100%. It's not the right attitude but that doesn't mean they didn't do it because they did. Sloppy mentality. I don't think the loss is as bad as portrayed though because it really was a poor pitch as was highlighted.

[Andeeh]

Indeed, and because England lost and came 2nd, they now have to play the winner of Group A, which is Australia. If you try and win every game, it motivates you more etc.

Like Pakistan today, they knew they were through, but it was such a good game. No one thought Aussies would struggle, but because Pakistan tried, they got close.

Same with Pro 40 between somerset and durham.

Durham was playing for nothing and coulda given up but they managed to win that game preventing somerset from winning the title.

Its been a good champions trophy, that pitch england played on the other day was to bowler friendly though.

[Tintinnabulate]

I think it will be a Australia v Pakistan final.
But if Australia are slightly complacent, their performance could be affected a lot.

England's batsmen need to ensure they build partnerships and don't take risks unnecessarily.

[Smiddy]

You were wrong too.
Why, cos we won 2 games thanks to the pitches? Haha!
As much as I'd love to have full confidence in our team, they just aren't a brilliant unit, as soon as they'd won those first two games they'd suddenly become untouchables again?! You can't judge the tournament on two games!

I still stand by my statement of NZ to win btw ;)

[StefanWolves]

Why, cos we won 2 games thanks to the pitches? Haha!
As much as I'd love to have full confidence in our team, they just aren't a brilliant unit, as soon as they'd won those first two games they'd suddenly become untouchables again?! You can't judge the tournament on two games!

I still stand by my statement of NZ to win btw ;)

the two things that they could ONLY do was:

play on that pitch
beat what was in front of them

they did both, against two of the best teams in the world, yet people like you give them no credit and class it as some sort of 'fluke' - well beating SA in SA and Sri Lanka aren't 'flukes'.

[Blinger1]

England didn't get smashed, you were wrong.

And you called me arrogant for being an Australian, you keep saying how good England are because you have two or three half-decent players.

[StefanWolves]

And you called me arrogant for being an Australian, you keep saying how good England are because you have two or three half-decent players.

it's two more half decent player than you now have, :eusa_whis.

[Smiddy]

the two things that they could ONLY do was:

play on that pitch
beat what was in front of them

they did both, against two of the best teams in the world, yet people like you give them no credit and class it as some sort of 'fluke' - well beating SA in SA and Sri Lanka aren't 'flukes'.
...No, I credit them with a decent performance in both matches, actually, but that doesn't mean they're world beaters, dominant forces, deserving of recognition YET.

My statement means they were assisted by the pitches cos they suited our style of play, as opposed to SA/SL's. It's not a negative thing, it's something to take into serious consideration before you blow all of England's chances into a great sky-high expectations at every attempt!

It's not negative, it's constructive, sorry for not blowing their trumpets every single time they win a match/series!

[Tintinnabulate]

TheWolf, stop arguing, seriously, its getting annoying now.

England lost 6-1 in the ODI series against Australia at home. You need to take that into consideration. When England win a few ODI series in a row against the top 5 teams, then they will start getting recognition. Winning 2 matches doesn't make them amazing.

India lost 1 match and they are out of the tournament, it doesn't make them awful that they didnt even get to the semis. They won with ease on a pitch that England struggled on badly.

England have got to the semis, well done, but today will be another big test for them, against the Aussies. If you win this tournament, it still wont make you the best. Like I said, you need to win a few series in a row. England have some very good players, but they need to rotate the players who are not doing so well, get new ones in and give them a chance.

England can easily be in the top 4, but they just need to rotate players and find the best combination.

[StefanWolves]

they just need to rotate players and find the best combination.

hows that work

[Wyked]

hows that work

spin them round on the spot until they realise how to play ODI cricket

[Immenseman]

234-7 isn't bad considering they had 101-6. bresnan 72 not out.

[Wyked]

hopefully Bresnan can stick in until the end

[Immenseman]

still haven't taken batting powerplay don't know why they leave it so long :/

[Wyked]

You know if they had the option of not taking it... I wonder if they'd actually use it :S:S

[Wyked]

Play stopped due 2 mothz


ODEA

[Tintinnabulate]

hows that work

Its obvious isnt it? :S
Keep using 1-2 new players and develop them slowly. So if Broad doesnt do well for few games, replace him with a new player (who has been doing very good in county games or whatever) for a few games and get Broad back. Then slowly you will develop the "new player".


spin them round on the spot until they realise how to play ODI cricket

Please stop making childish comments... :rolleyes:

[Tintinnabulate]

they did both, against two of the best teams in the world, yet people like you give them no credit and class it as some sort of 'fluke' - well beating SA in SA and Sri Lanka aren't 'flukes'.

Yet they fail to beat a team they have played 7 times before today in the last month.

[StefanWolves]

Yet they fail to beat a team they have played 7 times before today in the last month.

wait, didn't your 'team' get knocked out in the round before?

[Tintinnabulate]

wait, didn't your 'team' get knocked out in the round before?

Indeed they did by just losing 1 game :) Last time I checked, none of Englands game got cancelled due to rain.

[Blinger1]

Oh god england suck. Lets be honest!

[Tintinnabulate]

I think they need to take time out from cricket and practice alot for a few months.

[adaym]

Indeed they did by just losing 1 game :) Last time I checked, none of Englands game got cancelled due to rain.
still got knocked out, should've won pakistan

[Tintinnabulate]

still got knocked out, should've won pakistan

They played well and won.

Anyway Australia vs New Zealand final.

Australia will be favourites to win but I want NZ to win.

[StefanWolves]

I think they need to take time out from cricket and practice alot for a few months.

oh god you make me laugh.

[Tintinnabulate]

oh god you make me laugh.

Why?

Theres no point playing back to back series and losing non stop.

Looking at your posts, and considering how many people apart from a couple disagree with all your posts, I think you are the wrong one who knows little about cricket.

India were doing awful 2 years ago, they took time out, practiced and are in the top 3. Same with Pakistan.

[StefanWolves]

Why?

Theres no point playing back to back series and losing non stop.

Looking at your posts, and considering how many people apart from a couple disagree with all your posts, I think you are the wrong one who knows little about cricket.

India were doing awful 2 years ago, they took time out, practiced and are in the top 3. Same with Pakistan.

People disagree with my posts? all I see is people debating with what I say, not disagreeing, I think you are just reading what you want to read, to make yourself look like you're always in the rite.

[Tintinnabulate]

People disagree with my posts? all I see is people debating with what I say, not disagreeing, I think you are just reading what you want to read, to make yourself look like you're always in the rite.

Yes, that's correct :rolleyes:

So why do you think England shouldn't take time off and practice...?

[Blinger1]

BCOS DEY WON 1 SERIEZ, CMON DEY R ON FIAR!!!!!

I hope Australia bloody win over the kiwis! They are probably our biggest rival?

[Tintinnabulate]

BCOS DEY WON 1 SERIEZ, CMON DEY R ON FIAR!!!!!

I hope Australia bloody win over the kiwis! They are probably our biggest rival?

South Africa are your biggest rivals ;)

And one series again WI! and then got humiliated against a proper team.

[Immenseman]

hope NZ will :) good outfit.

[Smiddy]

Why?

Theres no point playing back to back series and losing non stop.

Looking at your posts, and considering how many people apart from a couple disagree with all your posts, I think you are the wrong one who knows little about cricket.

India were doing awful 2 years ago, they took time out, practiced and are in the top 3. Same with Pakistan.
Pakistan's wasn't really their choice though was it...

I agree with you, why should England be the only team to play all year round? Like I said in my post earlier in this thread, the series we play are too long and too frequent. Cut ONE out from the winter and spread it nicely.
If players are playing so poorly that they then want to gain confidence, they can play in SA / AUS between the end of summer and winter series, but, usually a break does a player good.
Just look at Andrew Strauss ;) He's now in need of another one, notice even the best (Ricky Ponting) have breaks? And his one was during the beginning of a LONG schedule for Australia.


Btw, still sticking with NZ ;)

[StefanWolves]

hopefully nz win, they are always the underdogs and hardly ever make it, so i hope it's their time this time.

[Tintinnabulate]

Although I want NZ to win, Australia will probably win.

[Blinger1]

South Africa are your biggest rivals ;)

And one series again WI! and then got humiliated against a proper team.

I say they are our rival because it's the oceanic battle really... It's like two local cricket clubs playing against each other ;)

[Tintinnabulate]

I say they are our rival because it's the oceanic battle really... It's like two local cricket clubs playing against each other ;)

Ah. Well good luck to Australia today anyway. I am looking forward to the series starting on 25th October - 7 ODIs - India vs Aussies.

[Immenseman]

shame vetorri couldn't play. nz something 84-4.

[StefanWolves]

vetorri couldn't play? that's it, AU win.

[Blinger1]

Aww poor all you Aussie haters.. Australia win... again! :'(

[Tintinnabulate]

Well done to the Aussies :)

[-Heart]

Aww poor all you Aussie haters.. Australia win... again! :'(
The Ashes 2009.

That is all.

[Blinger1]

The Ashes 2009.

That is all.

As I have said, you won ONE series... How about the 2005 ashes I think it was, 5-0 whitewash.. Oops? And then the one day series this year between England and Australia, 6-1?

[StefanWolves]

As I have said, you won ONE series... How about the 2005 ashes I think it was, 5-0 whitewash.. Oops? And then the one day series this year between England and Australia, 6-1?

babe i think you mean 2007, 2005 we won it. 2 times out of 3 that we have beat you

times are changing when it comes to tests, get used to it xoxoxo

[Blinger1]

babe i think you mean 2007, 2005 we won it. 2 times out of 3 that we have beat you

times are changing when it comes to tests, get used to it xoxoxo
Finally its changing.. you have won twice in the past 20 years... ;)

[StefanWolves]

Finally its changing.. you have won twice in the past 20 years... ;)

better late than never!! :O

[Tintinnabulate]

The Ashes 2009.

That is all.

I like how some of the England supporters suddenly start going on about the Ashes again. Australia won the cup and they deserve it. Some of the English fans just cant face the truth like you and TheWolf.

And when you mention the Ashes, why do you fail to mention the 6-1 ODI series? :S You just pick out the ones where England won.

And the Ashes win wasn't even like WOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You won mainly thanks to the rain.

[adaym]

You won mainly thanks to the rain.
I like how your argument centrals around the weather. I'll give you a tip - the weather supports neither side. Both sides have to deal with the same weather so it is not a positive nor negative factor for either sides. That argument is flawed.

[Tintinnabulate]

I like how your argument centrals around the weather. I'll give you a tip - the weather supports neither side. Both sides have to deal with the same weather so it is not a positive nor negative factor for either sides. That argument is flawed.

If it wasn't for the rain on the first match, Australia would have won ... easily. Go check the score card.

Anyway ICC Champions Trophy has nothing to do with the Ashes so why people are bringing it up, I don't know, maybe they are jealous.

[-Heart]

I like how some of the England supporters suddenly start going on about the Ashes again. Australia won the cup and they deserve it. Some of the English fans just cant face the truth like you and TheWolf.

And when you mention the Ashes, why do you fail to mention the 6-1 ODI series? :S You just pick out the ones where England won.

And the Ashes win wasn't even like WOWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You won mainly thanks to the rain.
I don't care about the Champions Trophy. Ashes and World Cup, all that matters.

And guess what? We won the Ashes. That's what's important. The Ashes. Ashes Ashes Ashes.

Got that?

[StefanWolves]

If it wasn't for the rain on the first match, Australia would have won ... easily. Go check the score card.

Anyway ICC Champions Trophy has nothing to do with the Ashes so why people are bringing it up, I don't know, maybe they are jealous.

jealous of australia? don't make me barf.

[Tintinnabulate]

I don't care about the Champions Trophy. Ashes and World Cup, all that matters.

And guess what? We won the Ashes. That's what's important. The Ashes. Ashes Ashes Ashes.

Got that?

You do realise the Champions Trophy is basically a mini world cup?

The Ashes is just a normal series with a name. Its like saying OMG INDIA BEAT AUSTRALIA. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA WON THE COMPAQ CUP. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA DIDNT WIN THE CHAMPIONS TROPHY, SO THAT DOESNT MATTER. ITS USELESS. KKBYE

[StefanWolves]

You do realise the Champions Trophy is basically a mini world cup?

The Ashes is just a normal series with a name. Its like saying OMG INDIA BEAT AUSTRALIA. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA WON THE COMPAQ CUP. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA DIDNT WIN THE CHAMPIONS TROPHY, SO THAT DOESNT MATTER. ITS USELESS. KKBYE

You're neither English, nor Australian, so you can't really tell US the English what it feels like to win an Ashes series, you can't say that it means nothing, you have no rite at all, you don't experience the Ashes like the Aussies and the English do, so you can get that out of your head.

CC is NOT a mini version of the world cup, CC means nothing, nothing at all, it's arguably one of the most pointless things in cricket. What you're saying is the equivalent to this in football; 'omg the african cup of nations is like a mini world cup!! it's just as important!!' ~ just no.

[-Heart]

You do realise the Champions Trophy is basically a mini world cup?

The Ashes is just a normal series with a name. Its like saying OMG INDIA BEAT AUSTRALIA. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA WON THE COMPAQ CUP. THATS ALL MATTERS
INDIA DIDNT WIN THE CHAMPIONS TROPHY, SO THAT DOESNT MATTER. ITS USELESS. KKBYE
Are you English? No.

I said before this little competition started that the Ashes and the World Cup was all that mattered, and I stand by that now. That's just how it is.

"Kkbye".

[Smiddy]

The CT is technically a Minor World Cup, as it's the 8 seeded teams who participate, the top 8 teams, who should in theory get through to every super 8's and semi's in both formats of the World Cup.
It's nothing like the African Nations, as that is not a competition between the top 8 football teams in the world, is it? :rolleyes_
I wouldn't say it's as important, because you can guarantee their will be no anomalies like in the normal world cups, where the associates can cause upsets.
But it's still hugely entertaining, and it's great for someone like me cos they show all statistics more often, keeps me more entertained in a 50-over format :D

Plus in all honestly, as a true Englishman, I don't see why the Ashes is anymore important than any other series, it's bad for the game because noone then goes to test matches which involve England and another nation, as it's "not as important".
Yeah, they were the first two test teams ever, big whoop. Why shouldn't the Wisden trophy be deemed as important?

PS, to you two slating Saurav for not being English, he has a bigger following, it's called India v Pakistan; the fiercest rivalry in World Cricket. Much bigger than the Ashes :)

[-Heart]

The CT is technically a Minor World Cup, as it's the 8 seeded teams who participate, the top 8 teams, who should in theory get through to every super 8's and semi's in both formats of the World Cup.
It's nothing like the African Nations, as that is not a competition between the top 8 football teams in the world, is it? :rolleyes_
I wouldn't say it's as important, because you can guarantee their will be no anomalies like in the normal world cups, where the associates can cause upsets.
But it's still hugely entertaining, and it's great for someone like me cos they show all statistics more often, keeps me more entertained in a 50-over format :D

Plus in all honestly, as a true Englishman, I don't see why the Ashes is anymore important than any other series, it's bad for the game because noone then goes to test matches which involve England and another nation, as it's "not as important".
Yeah, they were the first two test teams ever, big whoop. Why shouldn't the Wisden trophy be deemed as important?

PS, to you two slating Saurav for not being English, he has a bigger following, it's called India v Pakistan; the fiercest rivalry in World Cricket. Much bigger than the Ashes :)

Simply, :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:.

[Andeeh]

i reckon instead of this we should be happy that england have dropped SHAH thank the lord :)

and lukey is in test team for SA

[Smiddy]

Your local all-rounder, that's not bad for him! does he fill Flintoff's position for this tour then? Good on him if he does!

And plunkett... interesting choice! Handy with the bat also, maybe they see him as a like-for-like as new Cricketer of the Year MJ? Bowler who can whack it down the order?

Plus, laughing the fact Shah has been omitted from ODI squad too, he didn't do that badly! Just his running and fielding is rubbish haha.


Btw @ -Heart, learn your cricket :S

[Tintinnabulate]

You're neither English, nor Australian, so you can't really tell US the English what it feels like to win an Ashes series, you can't say that it means nothing, you have no rite at all, you don't experience the Ashes like the Aussies and the English do, so you can get that out of your head.

CC is NOT a mini version of the world cup, CC means nothing, nothing at all, it's arguably one of the most pointless things in cricket. What you're saying is the equivalent to this in football; 'omg the african cup of nations is like a mini world cup!! it's just as important!!' ~ just no.

You know nothing about cricket then as its always been a mini World Cup. I guess you didn't listen to the commentators either who even said it over and over again.


[/B]
Simply, :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:.

Again you probably never listen to commentary etc because India vs Pakistan matches are always sold out regardless of where its held and is the most watched out of all cricket matches.

You two really should read up on cricket and its facts before commenting as you are just embarrassing yourself.

England has good players, they just need more practice and I am sure they can be in the top 4. They should take time out, practice more and it will help.

[StefanWolves]

You know nothing about cricket then as its always been a mini World Cup. I guess you didn't listen to the commentators either who even said it over and over again.



Again you probably never listen to commentary etc because India vs Pakistan matches are always sold out regardless of where its held and is the most watched out of all cricket matches.

You two really should read up on cricket and its facts before commenting as you are just embarrassing yourself.

England has good players, they just need more practice and I am sure they can be in the top 4. They should take time out, practice more and it will help.

Wow, of course the commentators are going to say that, they are trying to promote the tournament so more people watch it and so that the viewing figures stay up. :eusa_wall

It's quite simple stuff TBH.

[Smiddy]

Liking how you ignored my reasoned argument towards the CT there haha.

I suppose this Champions League that they're doing in the T20 isn't anything like the UEFA Champions League either is it?

[Tintinnabulate]

Wow, of course the commentators are going to say that, they are trying to promote the tournament so more people watch it and so that the viewing figures stay up. :eusa_wall

It's quite simple stuff TBH.

Its always been like that ... and Smiddy explained why its a mini world cup.

[StefanWolves]

Liking how you ignored my reasoned argument towards the CT there haha.

I suppose this Champions League that they're doing in the T20 isn't anything like the UEFA Champions League either is it?

I read it, but it doesn't mean I have to respond to such ridiculous and untrue claims.

[Smiddy]

I read it, but it doesn't mean I have to respond to such ridiculous and untrue claims.
I could easily say the same right back to you, I'm just making the response for why it is a mini WC.
I can understand why you'd dismiss the tournament as pointless, but it's in the calender, and there's not a lot we can do about it, so we might as well see some positives from it, and in my case, even if you don't, compare it to a mini WC :P

[-Heart]

You know nothing about cricket then as its always been a mini World Cup. I guess you didn't listen to the commentators either who even said it over and over again.



Again you probably never listen to commentary etc because India vs Pakistan matches are always sold out regardless of where its held and is the most watched out of all cricket matches.

You two really should read up on cricket and its facts before commenting as you are just embarrassing yourself.

England has good players, they just need more practice and I am sure they can be in the top 4. They should take time out, practice more and it will help.
Once again, we won the Ashes. That's it. Ashes and World Cup. That's it. So calm the falange down.

Big thing the Ashes over here if you didn't already know, and we won it. That's all that matters. And I'd rather not spend my time reading up on a sport which bores the **** out of many.

Smiddy - I'm just in here to see what the reaction was to the Aussie's CT victory, because a few came to our school for a football match and started gloating about it, which I found hilarious.

[StefanWolves]

I could easily say the same right back to you, I'm just making the response for why it is a mini WC.
I can understand why you'd dismiss the tournament as pointless, but it's in the calender, and there's not a lot we can do about it, so we might as well see some positives from it, and in my case, even if you don't, compare it to a mini WC :P

Yeah, that's your opinion, and that's good lol, I just don't agree with it, I like to watch it yes ~ but I really do not see the point in it.. :P

[Tintinnabulate]

I think Smiddy knows more about cricket than any of us here.