Jade Dragon - It is Normal!!!!

[Ajthedragon]

It was released (alike the petal, snow rug, sand patch, moon patch, unholy) more than once as we know, so I fail to see how the Rare Values Department use the excuse 'It was released twice' as an excuse and the fact it was in a bundle with categorized furni means its Asian, for a start Asian is in the catalogue at the moment, and look no Jade Dragon (surprise, surprise). It was clearly stated in the article associated with the Wacky Weekend bundle this following quote 'Asian Delight by Screwz - 125 Credits (normally 196 Credits and includes a Rare!)', in the past other rares have been associated to a tpe of furniture such as the executive globe (released when executive was released for Streets of Bobba, and in a wacky weekend bundle, yet thats not categorized!!), the Shishi Odishi (released when the new Japanese stuff was first released). I feel very stongly about this (I have a sad life), so there is a poll on this, should or shouldn't it be a Normal Rare.

VOTE YES! :D

[Fubt]

YES!!!

[-:Undertaker:-]

It was last released under a section other than rares, therefore it belongs in the miscellaneous section. The Disco Sign was orginally released under rares and later released in a different section, so it moved from normal rares to miscellaneous rares - just because its a dragon lamp doesn't make it any different.

[Fubt]

so whys the exex globe been moved back then dan?
That was released the same time as gothic fountain.

[Ajthedragon]

Urm, so was the Reindeer (it was released in xmas section as well as Rares'.

And the executive globe is still a normal?

[Fubt]

RV's have gown downhill without us aydan ;)

[-:Undertaker:-]

so whys the exex globe been moved back then dan?
That was released the same time as gothic fountain.

The Power Globe should be in miscellaneous and it will be moved back there.


Urm, so was the Reindeer (it was released in xmas section as well as Rares'.

And the executive globe is still a normal?

The Reindeer was last released in Rares, and as far as I remember it was never under Christmas. If it was and I am wrong, then it was still last released in Rares, so it stays in normal rares.

[Ajthedragon]

Haven't they just Paddy. ;)

I think all should be in normal rares, they accounted as a '25-credit rare' and because they were in the bundles not that many were sold.

EDIT : Reindeer was released in rares at exactly the same time as you could also buy it from the xmas page.

[Jordan:A]

Reindeer was released in rares

[Netaxes]

See, its one of these things that can go both ways. People can see it was Normal or they can see it as Misc. This discusion can go both ways but it doesn't affect the value in any way?

[Ajthedragon]

Yes, people pay alot more for a rare with knowledge its not likely to be released (such as normals) or misc's where most are re-released.

[Kardan]

It's a normal rare. Misc. rares are the ones that don't cost 25 credits, right? It shouldn't be in Asian, people won't look for it there.

[Ajthedragon]

Exactly, but they cannot see that.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Haven't they just Paddy. ;)

I think all should be in normal rares, they accounted as a '25-credit rare' and because they were in the bundles not that many were sold.

EDIT : Reindeer was released in rares at exactly the same time as you could also buy it from the xmas page.

..then it remains a Rare as it was last in Rares.


See, its one of these things that can go both ways. People can see it was Normal or they can see it as Misc. This discusion can go both ways but it doesn't affect the value in any way?

It doesn't affect the value in any way.


Yes, people pay alot more for a rare with knowledge its not likely to be released (such as normals) or misc's where most are re-released.

That is wrong, Eid Posters and Gold/Blue Pods have reached good values over 10.0 CS in miscellaneous.


It's a normal rare. Misc. rares are the ones that don't cost 25 credits, right? It shouldn't be in Asian, people won't look for it there.

We do not, and have never placed rares in sections depending on how much they were released for. It was last released in Asian, therefore it belongs in Asian.

According to everybodys logic here, it should be where it was orginally released, so that would mean the following changes;

White Lace Pillow back into supers.
Gold Feather Pillow back into supers.
Endor Smoke Machine back into supers.
Disco Sign back into supers.
Red Gothic Fountain back into supers.
Snow Globe back into supers.
Jade Dragon Lamp back into normals.
+ countless others.

[Kardan]

..then it remains a Rare as it was last in Rares.



It doesn't affect the value in any way.



That is wrong, Eid Posters and Gold/Blue Pods have reached good values over 10.0 CS in miscellaneous.



We do not, and have never placed rares in sections depending on how much they were released for. It was last released in Asian, therefore it belongs in Asian.

According to everybodys logic here, it should be where it was orginally released, so that would mean the following changes;

White Lace Pillow back into supers.
Gold Feather Pillow back into supers.
Endor Smoke Machine back into supers.
Disco Sign back into supers.
Red Gothic Fountain back into supers.
Snow Globe back into supers.
Jade Dragon Lamp back into normals.
+ countless others.

Ahh, but the Snowglobe etc. were never released as supers, since they wern't put into the catalogue :P So that logic fails :)

Surely this would mean that all the Asian Furni in the Wacky Weekends would have to move out of Asian and into Misc. since they're under the 'Limited Edition' part of the catalogue and not Asian, accoridong to the current rules?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Ahh, but the Snowglobe etc. were never released as supers, since they wern't put into the catalogue :P So that logic fails :)

Surely this would mean that all the Asian Furni in the Wacky Weekends would have to move out of Asian and into Misc. since they're under the 'Limited Edition' part of the catalogue and not Asian, accoridong to the current rules?

Asian is Miscellaneous, that was before we ordered them into seperate sections when they went in together. The logic does not fail, as according to you all it should be where it was orginally placed, and the Snow Globe etc. were orginally super rares, not normal rares.

Where would you place the Red Gothic Fountain then? - you can't put in Gothic because according to you the Jade Dragon Lamp cannot go into Asian, when they are both in the same situation.

[Fubt]

The jade drag isnt remotely asian related, the owner of the room that won could of added any single rare in that room, it doesn't mean its asian does it?

[Ajthedragon]

Exactly as Paddy said. Could've been the EXECUTIVE Globe.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The jade drag isnt remotely asian related, the owner of the room that won could of added any single rare in that room, it doesn't mean its asian does it?

It is not upto Habbox what is and isn't related or not, the Jade Dragon Lamp is actually related as it is called a 'Oriental beast' and was released under a Chinese theme all that time ago.

A better solution, as i've mentioned to the manager, would be to have a new section created called 'Promotional Rares' which would have PayDay, Habbo Club and rares such as the Jade Dragon Lamp and Red Gothic Fountain in, which were released in promotional deals.

However that can't happen at the moment as we're waiting on a panel, but then again we have been waiting on a new panel since BC.


Exactly as Paddy said. Could've been the EXECUTIVE Globe.

However it wasn't, so why even say that?. :)

[Fubt]

I wouldnt class it as a promo, promo items are items like the ucash lazers imo.

[-:Undertaker:-]

..then as it was last released in Asian, it belongs in Asian.

[Fubt]

So if the person put a butler in his room, you'd of moved that to asian?

[Ajthedragon]

It is not upto Habbox what is and isn't related or not, the Jade Dragon Lamp is actually related as it is called a 'Oriental beast' and was released under a Chinese theme all that time ago.

A better solution, as i've mentioned to the manager, would be to have a new section created called 'Promotional Rares' which would have PayDay, Habbo Club and rares such as the Jade Dragon Lamp and Red Gothic Fountain in, which were released in promotional deals.

However that can't happen at the moment as we're waiting on a panel, but then again we have been waiting on a new panel since BC.



However it wasn't, so why even say that?. :)

I agree with your promotional rares thingy, in fact I think its a great idea, but my point about the executive globe thing was that if that was in the bundle, you wouldn't put that in Asian now would you? :D

Also, I disagree that you can use that it was last released with asian, our answer to that is and..? It doesn't change anything, its not called the Jade Oriental Dragon now is it?

[-:Undertaker:-]

So if the person put a butler in his room, you'd of moved that to asian?

That has not happend though, and if it does we'll cross that line when it happens.

[Fubt]

kk then, i dont want to seem like im arguing with you i just agree with ayden here.
Just a matter of opinion i guess.

[Ajthedragon]

The Padster and the Aydster stand by Jade Dragons being normal. ;)

[iChaz]

it's normal, ******s.

[mlp16]

It is a normal rare from where i am standing..

To be honest Habbox provides rare value guides for habbo, So if the majority of the habbo community think that The Jade dragon should be Replaced into the Rare value section (normal) then it should be.

Just one question if the Petal is released in one of these deals (even though they said it wont) would that be a misc rare too?

[Ajthedragon]

Yup it would (according to habbox's RVR's...)

[ashyboy999]

i believe their should be a promotional section for just payday, HC and ukash lasers.

if all dragons are oriental then surely all 10 dragons should be in asian, all marquees and all screens should be asian too because they are asian style furni. a normal rare is a rare that would be in the rares, collectables and limited edition section, any rare that would cost the pricely sum of 25 credits is a normal rare.

if the rares section returned, red gothic fountain would have entered at 25 credits like its water counterpart so that in my view makes that normal rare too. you could argue that if red fountain is with gothic why not put the other in there?? its not super and its just as gothic as the red??

practically the entire normal rare values are going to be decimated in this logic because upto 3 different normal rares could enter that catalogue in a single week?? who wants to wait for over 600 mini pictures to load up before they can find the price of a normal rare thats been moved to be with miscs??

[ashyboy999]

(tried to edit my last post but the 15 minutes had ended when i'd finished)

ive always said that payday rares should be super. now from what i hear payday has been cancelled altogether im waiting for confirmation from habbo that my current subscription has been cancelled or is still continuing and wether ill get these gifts or not. if not noone will be as i have the money to continue this subsciption unless its been cancelled altogether in which case those 12 rares are supers again logically since ecotron are supers but then dosent that make the ukash lasers super because they were one offs. the newer loyalty gifts are in the supers and they are about as rare as a lodge stool... so i dont think the logic is quite accurate to be fair

[Mr-Trainor]

Just one question if the Petal is released in one of these deals (even though they said it wont) would that be a misc rare too?

Habbo promised never to release the Petal Patch again.



the newer loyalty gifts are in the supers and they are about as rare as a lodge stool... so i dont think the logic is quite accurate to be fair

Items are not put in to sections because of how rare they are! Otherwise things like the purple drag would be a normal rare because its not that rare and then things like the igor brain may become super.

[Shockwave.2CC]

YES, a Jade Dragon should be a normal rare, cus then i'll proberly be able to afford to get one

[ashyboy999]

why not igor brain? a cinema promotional furni (promotional section candidate) being super sounds far more accurate than basically a norm being super. the problem with those 2 loyalty gifts is newbies are still earning them for free so there not fit for the supers. if they are super then HC TV is super basically

old ecotron was catalogue furni. people put 1c items in the ecotron to get furni if anything there miscs that should be in the ecotron section of categorised rares.

take the current approach being used to categorize the rares. jade dragon was released as part of an asian deal that makes it asian misc, the fountain before is now in gothic misc because of the theme they were last released under so dosent that mean because ecotron was released under ecotron then it should be ecotron misc? if not why, what makes it different?

EDIT: I thought the whole idea of the words super rare was exactly that: super rare, its gone confusing now if super rare dosent mean high rarity then what does it mean?

[-:Undertaker:-]

It is a normal rare from where i am standing..

To be honest Habbox provides rare value guides for habbo, So if the majority of the habbo community think that The Jade dragon should be Replaced into the Rare value section (normal) then it should be.

Just one question if the Petal is released in one of these deals (even though they said it wont) would that be a misc rare too?

Normal rares - last released in Rares or Collectables, or are part of Habbo Club/PayDay+ aka can be bought.

Super rares - given out as a prize, cannot be bought.

Miscellaneous rares - last items released under banners such as Asian etc.

If the Petal Patch and any other normal rares is released in this Wacky Weekends scheme in a different section other than Rares/Collectables, then yes, it will become a miscellaneous. The point about the Dragons, all dragons would not be in Oriental as the Jade Dragon Lamp has not moved because its oriental themed, it has moved because it was released under a different section.

[Ajthedragon]

Released under banners you say? Jade Dragon wasn't released under a banner atall.

Oh and *** did it say the furniture was Asian, it was released alongside Asian, like there was relax furni in the executive deal...

[-:Undertaker:-]

It was released under Wacky Weekends in the Asian deal, so seeing as it was not released in Rares/Collectables it belongs in miscellaneous rares.

[Mr-Trainor]

why not igor brain? a cinema promotional furni (promotional section candidate) being super sounds far more accurate than basically a norm being super. the problem with those 2 loyalty gifts is newbies are still earning them for free so there not fit for the supers. if they are super then HC TV is super basically

old ecotron was catalogue furni. people put 1c items in the ecotron to get furni if anything there miscs that should be in the ecotron section of categorised rares.

take the current approach being used to categorize the rares. jade dragon was released as part of an asian deal that makes it asian misc, the fountain before is now in gothic misc because of the theme they were last released under so dosent that mean because ecotron was released under ecotron then it should be ecotron misc? if not why, what makes it different?

EDIT: I thought the whole idea of the words super rare was exactly that: super rare, its gone confusing now if super rare dosent mean high rarity then what does it mean?

As I said before, items are not put into sections based on how common or how rare they are. They are put into sections based on how they were brought on to our hotel!

[Ajthedragon]

It was released under Wacky Weekends in the Asian deal, so seeing as it was not released in Rares/Collectables it belongs in miscellaneous rares.

ALONGSIDE!!!!

Just because the title said Asian doesn't mean its Asian! As with the Relax furni in the executive! Can't you read?

[-:Undertaker:-]

ALONGSIDE!!!!

Just because the title said Asian doesn't mean its Asian! As with the Relax furni in the executive! Can't you read?

It was released in a section other than Rares/Collectables/Pay Day+/Habbo Club, so therefore it belongs somewhere in miscellaneous. Where it belongs in that section can be debated, as it could be put in Asian or Accessories (with the Disco Sign).

[Ajthedragon]

The disco sign is a crap example, seeing as it only cost 15 credits anyway. Jade Dragon on the other hand was a 25-credit normal rare, and has been released in rares, and in a bundle (the bundle isn't a section is it?????), if anything you should make a promotion section for the Lasers, Payday+, HC and Bundle Rares.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The price does not matter, the Disco Sign cannot be swept out of your way just because it disproves what you are trying to do. The Disco Sign is the same as the Jade Dragon Lamp - a former Rare released in another section, and then moved to miscellaneous due to that release.

[Ajthedragon]

The Disco sign isn't the same as the Jade Dragon lamp, in it's case it was released INDIVIDUALLY for Traxfactor under the executive range. Where as the Jade Dragon wasn't released individually and could only be bought along with other crap which happened to be Asian, it doesn't make the rare Asian at all, it should have been left, alike other rares (petal patch, ect) it was released twice, it just happened to be with a load of ****e.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Petal Patch was released on its own in Rares, the Jade Dragon Lamp was not. It does not matter whether it was released with other items, it was released under a different section meaning it cannot be a normal rare again until it is released again under Rares/Collectables.

[ashyboy999]

hmm i just think jade dragon was fine where it was, i would say all normal rare posters including the disco should be with all the other posters, keep them together make the layout of the values simple rather than the same types of rare scattered all over the place. jade drag in a way now looks like the odd one out in asian. we will as traders always treat it as a normal rare regardless of what the pages say.

the thing im trying to get across is why end up having 5 different sections each with a dragon or whatever when keeping them together is far more simpler for others. the rares section dosent exist and collectables are not recolours so what were gonna have is a promotional section rather than normal rares because in this view normal rares wont exist soon.

what if you keep it with its 4 counterparts on normal rares but put in the desc "this was re-released as part of an asian deal" that works. i think the problem with aj is he thinks this degrades the dragon and i can understand that completely but my concern is wont doing this on a large scale mess up the order of everything. i dont know how taking out different normal rares and spreading them all over categorized makes it simpler for people who just want to go on here to find out how much these rares are. it would be a right nuisance to have to get 5 dragon values from 5 different areas on the values??

EDIT: actually i take that back wacky weekends wont change much of the normal rares, look at the deals they seem pretty....pathetic? a good word to use??

[-:Undertaker:-]

It was not Habboxs' choice to release the Jade Dragon Lamp, as far as we are concerned we will continue following the policy that Habbox has always followed, that; a rare is placed in the section where it was last released in. The Jade Dragon Lamp is not exempt from this rule, and no rare will be.

A Promotional section will appear one day, but again this is out of our hands as a Rare Values Department and we'll continue placing rares where they were last released in, which fits with the policy we've followed for years.

[Ajthedragon]

hmm i just think jade dragon was fine where it was, i would say all normal rare posters including the disco should be with all the other posters, keep them together make the layout of the values simple rather than the same types of rare scattered all over the place. jade drag in a way now looks like the odd one out in asian. we will as traders always treat it as a normal rare regardless of what the pages say.

the thing im trying to get across is why end up having 5 different sections each with a dragon or whatever when keeping them together is far more simpler for others. the rares section dosent exist and collectables are not recolours so what were gonna have is a promotional section rather than normal rares because in this view normal rares wont exist soon.

what if you keep it with its 4 counterparts on normal rares but put in the desc "this was re-released as part of an asian deal" that works. i think the problem with aj is he thinks this degrades the dragon and i can understand that completely but my concern is wont doing this on a large scale mess up the order of everything. i dont know how taking out different normal rares and spreading them all over categorized makes it simpler for people who just want to go on here to find out how much these rares are. it would be a right nuisance to have to get 5 dragon values from 5 different areas on the values??

EDIT: actually i take that back wacky weekends wont change much of the normal rares, look at the deals they seem pretty....pathetic? a good word to use??

The fact it's just so wrong is whats annoying me. ;)

[mlp16]

habbox rare values are always wrong anyway, Yeah i know its a guide, but we all know it influences the hotel on a large scale. And we also know it is very hard to overcome what Habbox has built its reputation on, Even if it has had slip ups *Cough* Samovars, Holos.

Tbh I think Habbox RVR department make half the values up anyway, Anyone who says they don't are obviously lying but lets not get into that shall we?

If habbox want Users want all the rare values on one page click the All values Tab. I know it sucks but when they have some Persistant Team members, It's life.

I do however like the new super layout which should have been brought in ages ago with everything valued in HC.

[Ajthedragon]

habbox rare values are always wrong anyway, Yeah i know its a guide, but we all know it influences the hotel on a large scale. And we also know it is very hard to overcome what Habbox has built its reputation on, Even if it has had slip ups *Cough* Samovars, Holos.

Tbh I think Habbox RVR department make half the values up anyway, Anyone who says they don't are obviously lying but lets not get into that shall we?

If habbox want Users want all the rare values on one page click the All values Tab. I know it sucks but when they have some Persistant Team members, It's life.

I do however like the new super layout which should have been brought in ages ago with everything valued in HC.

In some cases I agree, such as even now Red Dragons sell 2 hc per (and always had!?) and yet they're still 2.3. :rolleyes:

[-:Undertaker:-]

habbox rare values are always wrong anyway, Yeah i know its a guide, but we all know it influences the hotel on a large scale. And we also know it is very hard to overcome what Habbox has built its reputation on, Even if it has had slip ups *Cough* Samovars, Holos.

Tbh I think Habbox RVR department make half the values up anyway, Anyone who says they don't are obviously lying but lets not get into that shall we?

If habbox want Users want all the rare values on one page click the All values Tab. I know it sucks but when they have some Persistant Team members, It's life.

I do however like the new super layout which should have been brought in ages ago with everything valued in HC.

The Samovar Saga was, I believe and know, a failure of then-senior management at that time and Habbox had no intentions to create that sort of fiasco intentionally, while I believe the blame was unfairly put on me and members of my team at that time, nobody intentionally wished to create that and nobody could of guessed what it led to, and the panic it caused.


In some cases I agree, such as even now Red Dragons sell 2 hc per (and always had!?) and yet they're still 2.3. :rolleyes:

You know as well as I do that values will never be spot on, I know you are trying to ride a wave of hostility against the Rare Values Department, maybe because you think it will give you a higher standing on the forum so those who distrust the department will rally around you, or maybe somebody in the department has annoyed you - its anyones guess.

We are sticking to the policy we have stuck by for the past 4+ years and we will sometimes get values wrong and even then people will still disagree with them.

[Immenseman]

habbox rare values are always wrong anyway, Yeah i know its a guide, but we all know it influences the hotel on a large scale. And we also know it is very hard to overcome what Habbox has built its reputation on, Even if it has had slip ups *Cough* Samovars, Holos.

Tbh I think Habbox RVR department make half the values up anyway, Anyone who says they don't are obviously lying but lets not get into that shall we?

If habbox want Users want all the rare values on one page click the All values Tab. I know it sucks but when they have some Persistant Team members, It's life.

I do however like the new super layout which should have been brought in ages ago with everything valued in HC.

you think the department is so bad you dedicate your signature to your time in rare values... :rolleyes: rightio then!

[Ajthedragon]

You know as well as I do that values will never be spot on, I know you are trying to ride a wave of hostility against the Rare Values Department, maybe because you think it will give you a higher standing on the forum so those who distrust the department will rally around you, or maybe somebody in the department has annoyed you - its anyones guess.

We are sticking to the policy we have stuck by for the past 4+ years and we will sometimes get values wrong and even then people will still disagree with them.

I'm very good friends with most staff in the Rare Values Department? I have nothing against any of its members. :S And its my favorite department department on habbox, I just dislike Jade Dragons being Misc Rares which pretty much everyone (look at the poll) wants put back to normal. Don't accuse me of hating the department, you yourself sat in HxHD a few months ago, before your site was closed, saying how you thought the department was terrible. :eusa_clap

[-:Undertaker:-]

Habbox policy (which it has been at for the past 4+ years) is not dictated by polling - as for me and Habbox, I never said anything against the department, just Habbox senior management at the time, who many disagreed with and management at the present know I was never keen on past regimes in Habbox.

To get back on topic itself, read my reply you bypassed earlier on please, thanks.

[mlp16]

you think the department is so bad you dedicate your signature to your time in rare values... :rolleyes: rightio then!

Because at that time it wasn't as ****** up. Plus my signature is what i have done on habbox and does not have anything to do with this topic?

I think they should just close this thread now, your not going to win and it's just going round in circles.

[Ajthedragon]

Who ain't gonna win? ;)

everyone except that undertaker and 2 others thinks it should be normal. ;)

[.wickedsus.]

3 others*

Habbox have their policy in which they decide if a certain piece of furniture is a super rare, a normal rare or a miscellaneous rare. There are no set rules for what furniture is classed as and if you don't like the way Habbox organise their rares into sections easier for people to understand, then sod off to HHGS and have fun reporting values for them.

Habbox class a normal rare as being released in the rares section of the catalogue, at 25 credits. the Jade dragon has now been released under a different section of the catalogue and thus has been moved categories. You might say well it was originally released under rares so why change it. But the snowglobe, as Undertaker said, was once a super rare. So does that mean it must be moved back to the super rare section? Nope, because then you would moan about that and put up another pointless poll which I believe will not make the management do what you want them to do.

The Management for rare values can be a bit slow and in places, inaccurate at times but they do the best job at giving us a rare value guide for the habbo economy out of all the habbo fansites.

The promotional rares section could be a good idea to solve this massive life-threatening issue which affects so many people's lives in so many different ways. :rolleyes:

[Ajthedragon]

I'm ashamed in you Adam. :(

ON-TOPIC - Ryan tells me he wants a promotional page but none of the technicians know how. So we have to wait for a new rare values panel. ;L

[Immenseman]

the panel is awful. i was promised it when i returned in january... l-o-l. it was spoken about firstly in 2007, it's 2009 now... lmao :rolleyes: nobody knows how to work the technicalities of the panel, you should feel sorry for ryan. things are pretty dire.

[scottish]

The Samovar Saga was, I believe and know, a failure of then-senior management at that time and Habbox had no intentions to create that sort of fiasco intentionally, while I believe the blame was unfairly put on me and members of my team at that time, nobody intentionally wished to create that and nobody could of guessed what it led to, and the panic it caused.


it was fairly put on you, lol.


also whoever said rare values aren't categorised (super, normal, etc) on the rarity, wth?

RARE values kinda gives away that its valued on the RARITY of the items, not how it was released with other items in the catalogue, or in its own section? rofl? bit stupid if you ask me.

[Mr-Trainor]

Normal rares - this page includes collectables, catalogue rares and promotional rares.

Super rares - items which have not been put on sale, with the exclusions of accidental releases.

Categorized rares - items released as a whole category rather than just a single item.

[mlp16]

Normal rares - this page includes collectables, catalogue rares and promotional rares.

Super rares - items which have not been put on sale, with the exclusions of accidental releases.

Categorized rares - items released as a whole category rather than just a single item.


You could argue that the dragon was placed in the Pack as a promotional increase.

But the thing is your complain about the dragon if the dragon has to be moved where would you put the red gothic fountain as it was not released for 25 credits before it could therefore remain in the gothic section?

[Mr-Trainor]

I never said whether I think the jade dragon should be normal or not :P I see reasons for why it should as well as reasons for why it shouldn't.

[ashyboy999]

as much as i think it should be normal it obviously isnt gonna be. take the scripted pods. they should be super rare like the army chair but it aint. i really dont know whats going on here. luke mentioned it super rares are rares that havent been available in the catalogue or have been accidently released. supers are not based on rarity so that means old ecotron and the trees are categorized not super.

loyalty now thats different, it aint rare at all its no better than catalogue normal in the sense anyone can get it at anytime for free. at least with hc and payday you actually pay for it.

with regards to the values most are reported on the report rare values section and if a value is made up then theyve done it. honestly someone CAN lie to say a rare is more than it actually is they and someone else could make it seem accurate by making a trade screenie so really you have to trust the person giving the value is being honest.

as much as habbox try to give exact values they never will prices change daily which is why the value changes every few days. like ive said before they are market values not max not lowest but medium. some people think its exact but they are gullable it IS a guide. like on habbo i dont sell for loss someone says to me the value im like i know i want profit

[-:Undertaker:-]

Who ain't gonna win? ;)

everyone except that undertaker and 2 others thinks it should be normal. ;)

There is nothing to 'win' - this has been the policy for years. A promotional section will come one day, and I do want it as it would seperate PayDay, Habbo Club and so forth much better and put an end to this. However we do not have this section, so the orginal point still stands; the rare goes into the section where it was last released in.


I'm ashamed in you Adam. :(

ON-TOPIC - Ryan tells me he wants a promotional page but none of the technicians know how. So we have to wait for a new rare values panel. ;L

That is what I have been saying all along. :)


it was fairly put on you, lol.


also whoever said rare values aren't categorised (super, normal, etc) on the rarity, wth?

RARE values kinda gives away that its valued on the RARITY of the items, not how it was released with other items in the catalogue, or in its own section? rofl? bit stupid if you ask me.

If you knew anything about it you would work out that if me and my department at that time had fixed values, then nvrspk wouldn't of hired me this time around would he, not forgetting the fact he supported me when it actually happened. That poll that was made was made with the permission of the former General Manager, who later told me when I asked why he wasn't being finished off aswell his reason was because 'he was in a higher position than me'. - the simple fact of the matter is, if I had done anything wrong then I wouldn't be here now. I don't wish to go on about this all the time, but if anyone is blaming me unfairly then I will defend myself.

On your final piece, that has been Habbox policy throughout the years including when pieces such as the White Maze Barrier and so on were released in promotional deals under a section, they were put in that section and not normal rares. If we did place items based on how rare they were (which no other international fansite does as far as I know) then we'd have trouble with owners constantly demanding rares move, disagreements 24/7 - not worth it.

The policy has worked fine over the years and still does.


take the scripted pods. they should be super rare like the army chair but it aint.

When I decided to add these to Habbox back in 2006 I also thought these belonged with the Chair in the super section, having looked into it I found out that they had actually been on sale on purpose back in the past, whereas the Chair never was on sale, on purpose or by mistake. The Pods and Chair are in their correct sections as it stands. :)

[Xoim]

There is nothing to 'win' - this has been the policy for years. A promotional section will come one day, and I do want it as it would seperate PayDay, Habbo Club and so forth much better and put an end to this. However we do not have this section, so the orginal point still stands; the rare goes into the section where it was last released in.



That is what I have been saying all along. :)



If you knew anything about it you would work out that if me and my department at that time had fixed values, then nvrspk wouldn't of hired me this time around would he, not forgetting the fact he supported me when it actually happened. That poll that was made was made with the permission of the former General Manager, who later told me when I asked why he wasn't being finished off aswell his reason was because 'he was in a higher position than me'. - the simple fact of the matter is, if I had done anything wrong then I wouldn't be here now. I don't wish to go on about this all the time, but if anyone is blaming me unfairly then I will defend myself.

On your final piece, that has been Habbox policy throughout the years including when pieces such as the White Maze Barrier and so on were released in promotional deals under a section, they were put in that section and not normal rares. If we did place items based on how rare they were (which no other international fansite does as far as I know) then we'd have trouble with owners constantly demanding rares move, disagreements 24/7 - not worth it.

The policy has worked fine over the years and still does.



When I decided to add these to Habbox back in 2006 I also thought these belonged with the Chair in the super section, having looked into it I found out that they had actually been on sale on purpose back in the past, whereas the Chair never was on sale, on purpose or by mistake. The Pods and Chair are in their correct sections as it stands. :)

I got bored after the second line tbh.
I think there should be a promotional page aswell...
[In quote to what someone said in a previous post]
For all Habbo deals and Promos such as Ukash etc

it woul;d stop all this.
I think for the moment, until a promtional page is made, The jade dragon should be in normals.

[Mr-Trainor]

I am in agreement with the wacky weekend items (jade dragon lamp, red gothic fountain, power globe) to be in the Normal Rares section :)

[Ajthedragon]

I think its clear where its temporary place should be.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am in agreement with the wacky weekend items (jade dragon lamp, red gothic fountain, power globe) to be in the Normal Rares section :)

I'm not fully against this, however it would mean looking at items such as the Disco Lamp and the Maze Barriers and seeing if they too also fit in there, as I am pretty sure one or two of the Maze Barriers have been released in deals similar to the Jade Dragon Lamp & Red Gothic Fountain.

Edit; I have just looked into the Yellow Maze Barrier and it was released in a deal similar to these it looks like; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=347733&highlight=yellow+road+barrier&page=3 -; if this is the case, then it would mean the Jade Dragon Lamp, Red Gothic Fountain, Power Globe, Disco Sign(?) & Yellow Maze Barrier moving into normal rares until a promotional section is set up.

[Ajthedragon]

I'd happily be for that.

[Xoim]

I'm not fully against this, however it would mean looking at items such as the Disco Lamp and the Maze Barriers and seeing if they too also fit in there, as I am pretty sure one or two of the Maze Barriers have been released in deals similar to the Jade Dragon Lamp & Red Gothic Fountain.

Edit; I have just looked into the Yellow Maze Barrier and it was released in a deal similar to these it looks like; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=347733&highlight=yellow+road+barrier&page=3 -; if this is the case, then it would mean the Jade Dragon Lamp, Red Gothic Fountain, Power Globe, Disco Sign(?) & Yellow Maze Barrier moving into normal rares until a promotional section is set up.

No.
The yellow road barrier was never released as to be called a rare.
And the road barriers were released at 10- 15c per during the big streets off boba quest line a few years back.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No.
The yellow road barrier was never released as to be called a rare.
And the road barriers were released at 10- 15c per during the big streets off boba quest line a few years back.

It does not matter where it was orginally released or the price. If the Yellow Maze Barrier was released as part of a pack last time it was on sale, then it would be a normal rare - same as the Jade Dragon Lamp and others. You cannot have it one way for one item and not the same way for another.

[mlp16]

I'm not fully against this, however it would mean looking at items such as the Disco Lamp and the Maze Barriers and seeing if they too also fit in there, as I am pretty sure one or two of the Maze Barriers have been released in deals similar to the Jade Dragon Lamp & Red Gothic Fountain.

Edit; I have just looked into the Yellow Maze Barrier and it was released in a deal similar to these it looks like; http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=347733&highlight=yellow+road+barrier&page=3 -; if this is the case, then it would mean the Jade Dragon Lamp, Red Gothic Fountain, Power Globe, Disco Sign(?) & Yellow Maze Barrier moving into normal rares until a promotional section is set up.


I think you might find it was the white road barrier. If i remember correctly but you could be right. I do agreen with promotional section EG Lazers etc, However if you do this wouldn't half of the supers be in there aswell due to paysafe card vault earlier this year (diggin' up the dirt here)

[ashyboy999]

i dont think so with the payday vaults thats like saying the super rares should be promotional instead of supers because those supers came from competition like that of the paysafe vaults.

well like its been said they are not categorized by rarity so super rares dont exist. cus super rare actually means "high rarity" (look it up) and if the categorization isnt based on rarity then super rare means nothing. so maybe it should be renamed unreleased rares or promotional rares.

ya see its really mithering me about the supers one minute perople are saying its not based on rarity but if pear tree is not in supers because of its numbers then whys it in there? people say 1 thing but then a completely other thing?

rares are moved because of where they were last released? ecotron came in ecotron but its super not ecotron?!? loyalty given out daily for free and there super not normal (waiting to be promo).

people compare with the disco but disco is a poster it should be categorised with posters as all should be thats easier because there all together the reason jade dragon should be normal is because thats easier than been placed on a completely different page.

other than supers all dragons should be together, all 10 colour pre v7 rares that are normal should be together in the normal rares no matter what categorized should be for rares that cost under 25c and normal rares should be for those that cost 25c in the catalogue thats what i think. the snowglobe should never re enter supers because it was released. super are unreleased and always have been

[-:Undertaker:-]

The Pear Tree is in super rares because it has never been released, you cannot buy a Pear Tree.

[ashyboy999]

you cant buy a witch/fairy mushroom but you moved them back to categorized

[Ajthedragon]

That undertaker digs himself a hole.

[ashyboy999]

That undertaker digs himself a hole.

lol this topic dun half make me giggle.

[-:Undertaker:-]

you cant buy a witch/fairy mushroom but you moved them back to categorized

We agreed that the items in the ecotron at this moment go in the Ecotron section as they are availble, whereas the ones which are not go into super rares. It is not me who moves the rares, it is not me who updates the rares - I am just saying what it was said to be like and what it should be like.


That undertaker digs himself a hole.

I think you should maybe stop having a go constantly, clearly you have something against me and have apparently been ranting and raving to people on the hotel itself about me, give it a rest. I have answered him just above, so maybe, this time, you yourself have dug your own hole.

[Horesland.]

ok well i am not getting involved in any arguments but i think jade drag should be a normal rare =]

[Ajthedragon]

lol this topic dun half make me giggle.

Me too :O



I think you should maybe stop having a go constantly, clearly you have something against me and have apparently been ranting and raving to people on the hotel itself about me, give it a rest. I have answered him just above, so maybe, this time, you yourself have dug your own hole.

My hole has two stories to it, nice place, do pop round for some tea. xox

[Fubt]

What we chatting about now guys?

[Ajthedragon]

Tea and biscuits in my hole.

ON-TOPIC : Anything gonna be done about this or not?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Tea and biscuits in my hole.

ON-TOPIC : Anything gonna be done about this or not?

I just spoke to manager on it and it is staying where it is at the moment (in Asian) - however if a Promotional page is created it could possibly move to there, or we could re-assess how we place rares in the future, of course this is all dependant on when a new panel is made which is out of our hands as a department.

[Lost_Addict]

i believe the jade dragon, disco and red gothic fountain should all be rare tbh

and if as you say they won't be moved back there until there realesed in the rare section again kind of sucks, seeign as if habbo staff go by their word no rare will be re released...
also correct me if im wrong i don't remember all the posters that are under the rare values section actually being under rares.

[-:Undertaker:-]

i believe the jade dragon, disco and red gothic fountain should all be rare tbh

and if as you say they won't be moved back there until there realesed in the rare section again kind of sucks, seeign as if habbo staff go by their word no rare will be re released...
also correct me if im wrong i don't remember all the posters that are under the rare values section actually being under rares.

They were under Rares, at the time I went back and researched them all and moved the ones that were not in Rares (such as Bonnie Blonde etc) into miscellaneous.

[Immenseman]

aj outta interest how many jade drags do you have

[ashyboy999]

probably none that would make this oh so funnier tbh rofl. i got a few but im not really bothered about this as much as aj, just umm giving my opinion that the places normal rare all over the place hardly makes these guides easier to follow if anything it DOES make it harder. there wont be a promotional page i dont think, i remember asking why bollywood wernt in categorized months later and it still isnt due to space i think.

ive always thought that any rare that costs 25c to buy is a normal rare. jade dragons as well as the other 4 were 25c. the normal rares section of the catelogue does not exist anymore so other sections and deals have to count as been the normal rare. i believe the original 10 recoloured varieties of rare are normal rares, supers if unreleased, hc furni and payday because you pay for it. payday rares even though it costs £4.99 per month gives you 25c rares so the category for that is right. its not super because you can get it outside of a competition. thats why i dont class eco and loyalty as that because they are not competition and unreleased prizes

[Ajthedragon]

Agree totally

And complaining gives me something to do! Seeing as BB & SS still ain't back. :@