British National Party to change 'whites only' membership rule

[-:Undertaker:-]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220565/BNP-change-whites-membership-rules-fall-foul-discrimination-laws.html


THE British National Party yesterday caved in to pressure to admit non-white members, after being threatened with expensive court action. BNP leader Nick Griffin agreed to use 'all reasonable endeavours' to revise the party's constitution so it does not discriminate on the grounds of race, gender or religious belief.

The party currently states all members be of 'indigenous caucasian' origin. Mr Griffin's climbdown, after warning his party faced potentially crippling legal bills if it fought the case, was part of an order issued at the Central London County Court yesterday.

It is a significant stage in legal proceedings brought by the Equality and Human Rights Commission. If Mr Griffin fails to convince the rest of his party, the case will come back to court. The court heard a revised constitution will be presented at the party's general meeting next month, with no new members allowed to join until it is in place. '



While I do not agree with them on all counts and with this policy in general, and while I know there are thugs within the party, the thing that annoys me and the thing that gives the BNP actual support is that while the BNP are called racist for catering for white-British, we have organisations such as the ones listed below that are allowed;

ACLT - African Caribbean Leukaemia Trust
Asian Family Counselling Services
Asian People's Disability Alliance
Black Women's Rape Action Project
Cancer Black Care
..meanwhile the National Black Police Association (nbpa) states on its website that apparently (this is a good one) the word 'Black' does not refer to skin colour. It is beyond belief the hypocrisy and political correctness in this country. I wish Nick Griffin all the luck on Question Time next week, it sure will be strange (and funny) watching Jack Straw (Labour MP & Justice Minister) lecturing Nick Griffin on morals, when Jack Straw himself fiddled his own council tax (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/cabinet-expenses/5601872/Jack-Straws-expenses.html).

The Race Relations Act itself (whether or not it still stands as this) 1976, states that in Section 26 'An association to which section 25 applies is within this subsection if the main object of the association is to enable the benefits of membership (whatever they may be) to be enjoyed by persons of a particular racial group defined otherwise than by reference to colour; and in determining whether that is the main object of an association regard shall be had to the essential character of the association and to all relevant circumstances including, in particular, the extent to which the affairs of the association are so conducted that the persons primarily enjoying the benefits of membership are of the racial group in question.' - the way I interpret this, is that if a group is for the benefit of its members, it can exist.

I just do not see how our politicians can lecture the electorate about not voting British National Party while they fiddle expenses and allow other racial groups to be set up. The fact is, that while the ruling Lib/Lab/Con take this view, then they BNP will grow in support. I believe strongly in democracy and fairness, and I think that either we should allow racial groups such as the BNP and the ones listed above, or we do not allow any racial groups. The same system should apply to everyone.

Do you think this decision is fair, and do you think it will make the BNP more attractive to mainstream voters?

Do you think the BNP should be allowed on Question Time next week?

[GommeInc]

It might make them more attractive to mainstream voters, but not by alot. Infact it won't much difference as far as how people will see them because the past would haunt them in the future, and their policies and beliefs which have caused controversy will still cause problems in the future.

And yes, they should appear on Question Time :) They're the most controversial party, and probably up there with Lib Dems, Tories and Labour in terms of public image. Besides, "them" appearing on Question Time might get some answers, both good and bad :P

[ifuseekamy]

LOL do non-white people even want to join? I suspect there might be some self-hating mixed race people but it's otherwise pointless anyway.

[Ardemax]

why don't we bring back hitler from the dead?

like it would change anything

i hate the bnp's with everything, non-whites don't want to join the racists

and no, they shouldn't be allowed on question time, would you let hitler onto question time?

the nazi party and bnp seem closesly related by the fact people are turning to them with "no alternative"

[FlyingJesus]

why don't we bring back hitler from the dead?

like it would change anything

i hate the bnp's with everything, non-whites don't want to join the racists

and no, they shouldn't be allowed on question time, would you let hitler onto question time?

the nazi party and bnp seem closesly related by the fact people are turning to them with "no alternative"

The best way to have beliefs you don't like shot down is to have them out in the open and publicly opposed. Shutting them away and not letting anyone speak of it only leads to more tension and eventual uprising of an extremist view as has happened before in other countries, notably with Communism and, as you so helpfully mentioned, the Nazis

[-:Undertaker:-]

why don't we bring back hitler from the dead?

like it would change anything

i hate the bnp's with everything, non-whites don't want to join the racists

and no, they shouldn't be allowed on question time, would you let hitler onto question time?

the nazi party and bnp seem closesly related by the fact people are turning to them with "no alternative"

How can you compare the British National Party to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party and the Third Reich, when you yourself support supression of free speech, just like Adolf Hitler imposed on any opposition under his rule.

[Bun]

interesting, even though a bnp spokesman has said that nothing will change if it happens. and yeah they should go on question time, if you don't give them a platform they'll go "underground".

[Ardemax]

How can you compare the British National Party to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party and the Third Reich, when you yourself support supression of free speech, just like Adolf Hitler imposed on any opposition under his rule.


because like someone said before, they got people's attention in a recession and soon turned out to be idiots.

not a lot of difference, are you saying BNP are not bad?

[-:Undertaker:-]

because like someone said before, they got people's attention in a recession and soon turned out to be idiots.

not a lot of difference, are you saying BNP are not bad?

I'm saying that the British National Party cannot be labelled bad for having a whites-only policy when the government, police and other organisations have racial groups.

I am also saying that democracy should take place over your opinion or my opinion, and that therefore the BNP as a democratically elected party should be allowed to express their opinion on a license fee-funded organisation such as the BBC.

[Japan]

How can you compare the British National Party to Adolf Hitler, the Nazi Party and the Third Reich, when you yourself support suppression of free speech, just like Adolf Hitler imposed on any opposition under his rule.

Like ardemax said,
Hitler came to power when the german population was starving and suffering the effects of a recession. He channelled all the frustration and anger towards the jews and more or less everyone agreed/supported him.

We are in a recession, there are immigration problems and the tabloid newspaper reports on Islamic extremists living a life of luxury on taxpayers money aren't doing anything to lift the public mood. People are annoyed and the BNP are offering us a solution- get rid of them.

And if you can all remember- we fought against fascism in a world war.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Like ardemax said,
Hitler came to power when the german population was starving and suffering the effects of a recession. He channelled all the frustration and anger towards the jews and more or less everyone agreed/supported him.

We are in a recession, there are immigration problems and the tabloid newspaper reports on Islamic extremists living a life of luxury on taxpayers money aren't doing anything to lift the public mood. People are annoyed and the BNP are offering us a solution- get rid of them.

And if you can all remember- we fought against fascism in a world war.

The British National Party are offering the right solution then aren't they, and the British people should be entitled to make their decision without the ruling Lib/Lab/Con or the BBC telling people who they can and cannot vote, and who they can and cannot listen to on national television.

We fought facism you are right, and we more importantly fought facism to protect democracy - banning the BNP makes you the facist as facism opposes any opposition.

[alexxxxx]

the bnp must abide by the laws of the land.

[Japan]

If I started walking around saying "People called Dan should be killed" and getting people to start hating you, would you allow me to continue doing so because it would be 'undemocratic' to stop me?
No- because that's outrageous. Same applies to the BNP.

Going back to the immigration problem; Simply "kicking out" all of the immigrants wont work. If the current government can't fix it, then a bunch of sad old men most certainly wont be able to either.

[-:Undertaker:-]

If I started walking around saying "People called Dan should be killed" and getting people to start hating you, would you allow me to continue doing so because it would be 'undemocratic' to stop me?
No- because that's outrageous. Same applies to the BNP.

Going back to the immigration problem; Simply "kicking out" all of the immigrants wont work. If the current government can't fix it, then a bunch of sad old men most certainly wont be able to either.

The British National Party have not called for immigrants to be killed, they have said that people should return to what they call their home countrys, whether you agree with it or not that is BNP policy and they have a right to air it, they have two seats isn't it, are democratically elected and gained a fair share of votes, they have earned it. If the people of this country want them in power then fair play, thats what democracy is for.

On the issue of the present government, if you really think this government sets the limits for what can and cannot be done you have for sure lost faith in politics.

[alexxxxx]

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[Japan]

The British National Party have not called for immigrants to be killed, they have said that people should return to what they call their home countrys, whether you agree with it or not that is BNP policy and they have a right to air it, they have two seats isn't it, are democratically elected and gained a fair share of votes, they have earned it. If the people of this country want them in power then fair play, thats what democracy is for.

On the issue of the present government, if you really think this government sets the limits for what can and cannot be done you have for sure lost faith in politics.

So someone who was born in England, lived their entire lives in England but have non-English parents must leave England? That is discrimination and against human rights. How will removing all of the non-whites help anything?

I don't have any faith in politics; all political parties promise to solve all of the problems and be better than the former government. Which of course, never happens. However, I would much rather live under a labour or conservative government than be forced to leave the country because my mother isn't white.

[-:Undertaker:-]

So someone who was born in England, lived their entire lives in England but have non-English parents must leave England? That is discrimination and against human rights. How will removing all of the non-whites help anything?

I don't have any faith in politics; all political parties promise to solve all of the problems and be better than the former government. Which of course, never happens. However, I would much rather live under a labour or conservative government than be forced to leave the country because my mother isn't white.

I have not said their policy is correct or that I fully agree with it, so stop attempting to make my views the same as those of the British National Party. I think you need to understand fully; I believe in democracy, that does not mean I support the BNP, it means I believe every party should be able to have a say, and by not allowing them to have a say, you have no right to call them facists as that is one of the main principles of facism.

[Ardemax]

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

[FlyingJesus]

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

And as I earlier mentioned, the rise of the Nazis can for a large part be attributed to the fact that the government of the time tried to hush them up and shut them down, which leads to civil unrest and uprising. So yes, if someone had Nazi views they should be allowed to state them - for the most part people will simply say "oh what a fool" and choose to ignore them, rather than those in power choosing for us which only leads to our human curiosity being awakened, and a larger following for that person in the end

[-:Undertaker:-]

and yet undertaker we are referred back to a few posts where the nazi's rose to power in this time and like this situation.

there's do's and don'ts.

are you saying that hitler should be allowed to advertise the nazi party now?

The BNP are not the Nazi Party.

Hitler was not only voted in, to form a government he made alliances with other parties in the Reichstag and bullied/threatend politicians, officals and the electorate into voting for him, while he did have considerable support it would of never got him into power if he hadn't used bullying tactics, something the BNP is not using and therefore is doing nothing wrong.

The electorate chose to put a 'x' by the BNP in the European Parliamentary Elections - accept it.


And as I earlier mentioned, the rise of the Nazis can for a large part be attributed to the fact that the government of the time tried to hush them up and shut them down, which leads to civil unrest and uprising. So yes, if someone had Nazi views they should be allowed to state them - for the most part people will simply say "oh what a fool" and choose to ignore them, rather than those in power choosing for us which only leads to our human curiosity being awakened, and a larger following for that person in the end

If we did what Ardemax wanted, then next would be other parties which pose a threat to the Lib/Lab/Con tri-circle, such as UKIP being banned just because anybody on the left appears to think that being tough on immigration is racist, being against the EU is xenophobic - we'd end up with no parties other than Lib/Lab/Con.

Ardemax cannot accept that they were voted in by license fee payers, therefore as the BBC is supposed to be fair and democratic, the BNP have a right to be on Question Time - they got their mandate from a portion of the electorate, and got it fair and square.

[Ardemax]

The BNP are not the Nazi Party.

Hitler was not only voted in, to form a government he made alliances with other parties in the Reichstag and bullied/threatend politicians, officals and the electorate into voting for him, while he did have considerable support it would of never got him into power if he hadn't used bullying tactics, something the BNP is not using and therefore is doing nothing wrong.

The electorate chose to put a 'x' by the BNP in the European Parliamentary Elections - accept it.



If we did what Ardemax wanted, then next would be other parties which pose a threat to the Lib/Lab/Con tri-circle, such as UKIP being banned just because anybody on the left appears to think that being tough on immigration is racist, being against the EU is xenophobic - we'd end up with no parties other than Lib/Lab/Con.

Ardemax cannot accept that they were voted in by license fee payers, therefore as the BBC is supposed to be fair and democratic, the BNP have a right to be on Question Time - they got their mandate from a portion of the electorate, and got it fair and square.


I've not said the electorate did not put an 'x' by the BNP. So what are you trying to prove?

What did I want? I don't want anything..?

We'll wait and see as to how much griffin gets flamed.
it's just making trouble.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I've not said the electorate did not put an 'x' by the BNP. So what are you trying to prove?

What did I want? I don't want anything..?

We'll wait and see as to how much griffin gets flamed.
it's just making trouble.

I'm proving to you that the BNP haven't wedged themselves into this by their own doing, the electorate voted them in and therefore they have a right to be on a political program, especially on the BBC which is paid for by the BBC.

What do you want? - you want a democratically elected party barred from free speech because you do not agree with their policies, I do not agree with socialist policies from Labour, the Liberal Democrats or any other left party - but i'd never call for them to be banned from a political program whilst they are democratically elected.

[Wig44.]

why don't we bring back hitler from the dead?

like it would change anything

i hate the bnp's with everything, non-whites don't want to join the racists

and no, they shouldn't be allowed on question time, would you let hitler onto question time?

the nazi party and bnp seem closesly related by the fact people are turning to them with "no alternative"
:S You make it sound like only white people are racist when surely, you must know that is no true. I back undertacker here in that whilst I don't agree with all of their policies, if they are shunned due to the white only rule then all the black only groups should also have pressure put on them. Anyone remember that 'black-only' oscar awards ceremony a few months back, it got a spot on the national news. Lets see how well a white only oscar awards ceremony would go down.

It's unbelievable how even a simple nursery rhyme 'ba ba blacksheep' has to be changed yet black/mixed race individuals can say things on comedy tv shows like mock the week such as 'just another bunch of regular white folk' and a widely used saying in the film industry and in America 'pretty good for a white boy'

If you don't think the BNP should be allowed on QT then you are yourself strangled by your own need for censorship.